A mini-Ice Age?


Better throw some more logs on the fire.

What may be the science story of the century is breaking this evening, as heavyweight US solar physicists announce that the Sun appears to be headed into a lengthy spell of low activity, which could mean that the Earth – far from facing a global warming problem – is actually headed into a mini Ice Age.

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The Sun normally follows an 11-year cycle of activity. The current cycle, Cycle 24, is now supposed to be ramping up towards maximum strength. Increased numbers of sunspots and other indications ought to be happening: but in fact results so far are most disappointing. Scientists at the NSO now suspect, based on data showing decades-long trends leading to this point, that Cycle 25 may not happen at all.

The magic phrase ‘Maunder Minimum’ was used – which suggests that we might be looking at another Little Ice Age.  Which, depending on who you ask, either: caused a bunch of wars; made a bunch of wars much worse than they would have been otherwise; or is not to be mentioned in polite company.  Personally, I was hoping that we’d avoid this: after all, cold is death and heat is life.  Better to be warm and wet, than cold and dry.  But then, I have kids, and I worry that the current short-sighted, willful denial of science by our self-appointed elites may be condemning my children – and everybody else’s – to a future of poverty and dearth.

On the bright side, a colleague of mine suggested that the perfect name for a hypothetical new period of decreased sunspot activity would be the “Gore Minimum.”  In terms of irony alone, that would be perfect.

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This cannot be correct

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 9:02PM EST (link)

Mitt Romney said that the earth was heating up, or at least that is what Al Gore told him.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

The Al Gore Warming speaking tour isn't as profitable

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 9:36AM EST (link)

as it once was. Lo, the onset of Al Gore Cooling has dawned!

At the very least, Gore should have

blooch Wednesday, June 15th at 9:50AM EST (link)

a glacier renamed in his honor….Maybe Harverd Glacier in College Fjord. Better yet, rename every glacier in the fjord after a Warmist luminary. Watch their reputations shrink as their glaciers grow.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

Gore lauds Romney on climate position

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 3:26PM EST (link)

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/166613-gore-gives-romney-death-hug-on-climate-change

Former Vice President Al Gore on Wednesday praised GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney for his acknowledgement of global climate change.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 
 

yah, but...

rdhalste Thursday, June 16th at 12:38AM EST (link)

Although I agree with the above comment, the Sunspot cycle news is about 4 to 6 years old and the new cycle is well under way with lots of solar activity. How high it will peak? No one knows. It might fizzle and it could be a “whopper” as it was in the late 50′s and again around the early 70′s. We recently even received a glancing blow from a Major Coronal Mass Ejection, or (CME).
Current indications are this is “likely” to be a very active cycle after one of the deepest minimums and prolonged periods without any sunspots since “The Maunder Minimum”..

Also the “little Ice Age” was misnamed as it really was nothing more than an extended severe cold spell, but far from an ice age or even a mini ice age..
The Milankovetch cycles have far more effect on the earth’s climate than the sun’s normal variability.

 
 

Quick...We have to remp up production of Carbon and Greenhous gasses before we all freeze to death!!!

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 9:03PM EST (link)

The sky is falling George…I know cause a piece if it hit my head

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I'd really rather not live with that much gunk in the air...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 9:54PM EST (link)

at ground level, Ace. It’s not actually *that* simple a problem.

What’s needed is to trap more of the solar energy .. so dumping carbon into the upper atomosphere doesnt’ help either – reflects solar energy back into space.

One solution from the 1970s, the last time the guys in spiffy white lab coats were saying “ice age”, was to put huge mylar mirrors in space to reflect more light onto earth. Russia tried this back in the ’90s, go forth and google Znamya.

Much more efficient to scale a few of those up and point them at spots along I-90…

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lol....Mirrors, Greenhouse casses, whatever...we gotta do something to make sure the earth doesn't freeze.

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 11:09PM EST (link)

if it’s so easy for man to effect the climate….melt polar ice caps and raise the ocean levels…surely we can do something to keep it warm

So I take your point…why not mirrors? Makes as much sense as cow flatulence.

maybe we could start feeding all our live stock more roughage?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Guessing, Ace, that you did not ...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 11:45PM EST (link)

go forth and read as I’d suggested. Alas.

Cow flatulence is based on bogus scienceyness promulgated by government funded control-seekers like Hansen, at the request of big-government types like Gore. Simply put, carbon dioxide and water vapor are not “greenhouse gas”.

There is a direct one-to-one ratio between the temperature down here – oh, and on Venus, Mercury, and Mars which is why we’re seeing warming there – and the energy output of the sun. It’s a variable star, after all.

Mirrors are a viable answer to both warming and cooling – use the mirrors to capture extra light – oh, and gain a longer growing season for wheat in northern climes along the way so *we* can keep eating – when the sun’s output is down. Move the mirrors to block some sunlight when the sun’s output is up to keep the planet cooler.

This is all old, old ideas, Ace. Unlike Hansen, Gore’s mentor, it’s even workable – as the Russians proved with their little experiments.

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I'm making a joke acat...seriously...you do get that I'm making fun of the whole notion...right? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 12:14AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I'm making fun of the whole notion that man can do ANYTHING to affect climate on a clobal scale

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 12:23AM EST (link)

I mean to say…

you get the joke right?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Scientifically speaking, Ace .. you're wrong.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 12:33AM EST (link)

So is Al Gore, for what it’s worth.

Adding light increases heat. You know this – it’s why, if you’re in Texas in the summer, you pull the drapes in the living room.

Just sayin’

Mew

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I'll stand by my joke....in fact...I'll double down...Here's a new slogan for the new ice age to come

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:30PM EST (link)

Eat more beans….the climate will thank you

How about bumper stickers for SUVs….My Hummer is saving you from freezing to death

I’m not arguing with the science concerning solar activity….in fact the idea that solar activity affects earth’s climate makes more sense than blaming me using CFCs to spray anti perspirants on in the morning is causing climate change

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

Yes. You get that I don't think it's funny, right Ace?

acat (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 12:30AM EST (link)

I don’t know how old you are, Ace but .. I expect to be on this rock for a few more decades .. and I’m enough of a student of history to recognize what Moe’s getting at above when he mentions wars.

Mexico is struggling with the results of higher corn prices, Tunisia collapsed in part due to higher food prices. They’ve been the driver for many wars – the “Let them eat cake” quote being just one example.

Global warming doesn’t have these downsides…

Mew

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Fear Not!

edintexas Wednesday, June 15th at 6:39AM EST (link)

Yesterday I read an article in which the “scientists” have declared that (IIRC) there will only be a 0.01 degree C decrease in “global temperature” due to the new lack of solar activity.

Of course they based this projection on the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change projections of global warming.

Perhaps the fact that thus far all of that panel’s projections of heating by a certain year have failed to happen might not give you any comfort in this new computer projection?

 

Look...I'm making fun of the bubble headed gia worshipers who've made a career out of predicting doom for the climate

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 7:31AM EST (link)

for years….I’ve been on this planet long enough to remember the 60s and 70s sacres about a global ice age because the smog was supposed to block out the sun….then we went to acid rain was going to disolve the flesh from our bones, then we were all supposed to die from a hole in the Ozone layer until someone realized it opens and closes on a regular basis so there’s nothing to fear there after all….then global warming will melt ti polar ice caps, flood NY city and cause mass extinction…to now it’s climat change since the bubble heads can’t make a prediction that sticks for more than a month or two before the earth proves them wrong.

All the while they’ve used their manufactured hysteria to impose regulations on our economy that have brought this country to it’s knees on the absurd notion that man can do anything to affect temperatures on a global scale only to find out that the sun in one hiccup affects temperatures on our plant more than we could in a thousand years of industrialization.

so…you don’t get the joke…or don’t think it’s funny? fine..I’ll laugh all by myself…and when the bubble heads come up with the next bit of manufactured hysteria used to shut down yet another industry in the US…I’ll be here to say I told you so

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Oh, I think the bobbleheads are hilarious, Ace...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 10:09AM EST (link)

and I rail just as much as you against using bad science to kill good industries.

I also recognize that there is truth behind *some* of the science. The sun varies its’ output, for example.

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I have an awesomely radical idea...

bcochran1981 Wednesday, June 15th at 11:01AM EST (link)

…how bout, since we can’t even balance our checkbook, we let GOD worry about the running of the universe? I have a sneaking suspicion that He’s better at it than we are. (Yes, even you Barack.)

You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time and liberal voters every time.

AMEN nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:33PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 

Which one? [nt]

acat (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 9:06PM EST (link)

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"Which one?" reminds me of a Heinlein book I read some years back

civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 9:32PM EST (link)

Job: A Comedy of Justice

Don’t quite know why that synapse shorted on me…

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

Great book!

rickbull Wednesday, June 15th at 10:09PM EST (link)

But then, how many lousy books did R.A. Heinlein write? Zero, by my count. All his books were great, just in varying degrees.

WE ARE THE 53% (who actually pay taxes).

Ever read "Take Back Your Government" ?

acat (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 11:34PM EST (link)

http://www.webscription.net/p-1154-take-back-your-government.aspx

First bit’s available online free… looks suspiciously familiar to this cat.

Mew

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Yeah

bcochran1981 Thursday, June 16th at 8:39AM EST (link)

that tells me all I need to know

You can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all the time and liberal voters every time.

 
 
 
 
 

Climate change, whether hot or cold will impact agriculture

ja_ak Wednesday, June 15th at 8:30AM EST (link)

The fact that climate can and does change is indisputable, and it does have an impact on agriculture one way or the other, both positive nad negative. Remember, at one point in time the Saharan Desert was a breadbasket. (Don’t have time to find a citation.)

Global cooling or warming will shift the prime agricultural belt north or south as appropriate. Both will have disruptions, if the magnitude of change is great enough. Humanity, however, is resilient. We’ve survived these changes in the past, and fourished, and we will again. Technological solutions not withstanding, we’re a pretty hearty race.

I remember talking to one of my physics professors back in the day about his disertation that was a variant on the mirrors idea. He looked at being able to reflect and refract sunlight at night to be able to provide additional light/heat to targeted areas on the globe for agriculture. The problem? In the end, the best they could do was akin to moonlight in terms of brightness and heat.

And before anyone gets the wrong idea…I’ve always thought anthropomorphic global warming was a hoax. I’ve thought natural processes (solar activity, cloud density, volcanism) were greater drivers of climate change than anything we could do. I remember reading in the 90s that when Mt. Pinotubo erupted, it released more “greenhouse gases” into the atmosphere than humanity had in all its history from the first harnessing of fire to the modern day.

 
 

You are worried about 4 to 6 year old news?

rdhalste Thursday, June 16th at 1:06AM EST (link)

What’s been reported as new was being discussed 4 to 6 years ago. The current sun spot cycle seems to be “heating up nicely” with lots of new spots and even what are called Coronal Mass ejections, one of which gave earth a glancing blow with no damage. The new cycle has all the indications that it will be an active one since coming out of the bottom back in mid to late 2009. The number of sunspots has been increasing substantially from June of 2009 which shows zero sun spots.

In the winter of 2009 I was able to talk around the world on both the 3.5 and 7 MHz bands at night. Australia and New Zealand would be coming in from around 10PM to 2 or 3 AM local (0300-0800Z). Then it would change to Europe and Africa often until sunrise.

With the increasing sunspot number the propagation has changed So I only hear these distances on those bands occasionally now. Several times recently I’ve heard Europe and Africa on the 50 MHz band which is just below channel 2 on TV sets.That distance on VHF has been rare for at lest the last 5 years.

Will the new sunspot cycle continue the rapid increase to new highs or fizzle? No one knows, but the information in the article is way out of date.

 
 
 

We're not too worried

ag8tor Wednesday, June 15th at 7:36AM EST (link)

here in middle GA because the temp for the next 10 days isn’t supposed to get BELOW 100.

Nor here

rdhalste Thursday, June 16th at 1:37AM EST (link)

Over the past few weeks we’ve had day after day of records in the mid 90′s and this is Michigan which is not exactly noted for its warm weather.

 
 
 
 
 

This is not exactly anything new, Moe .. although I'm glad it's getting press...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 9:43PM EST (link)

I’ve been pointing this out for .. a while now. The simple metric for us simple non-government-paid scientists is the number of sunspots – that’s a nice proxy for solar activity… and http://www.spaceweather.com has that number, and a mess of other data. The number has been low pretty much since Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” was in theaters.

By the way, I’ve been seeing “Gore-Hansen Minimum” for several years now, the Hansen in question being James Hansen, one of those government-paid scientists most responsible for lending a sheen of cred to Al Gore’s monstrosity.

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I believe the new news is...

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 9:54PM EST (link)

the possible disappearance of Cycle 25.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Err, that would be the end of mankind

congressworksforus (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 10:30PM EST (link)

If Cycle 25 doesn’t occur, it means, basically, that the sun went out.

I think what you meant is that Cycle 25 isn’t going to start when it was supposed to…

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

Or that cycle 25 is going to be vewy vewy quiet.... [nt]

acat (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 11:46PM EST (link)

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read the article before you critique

streiff (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:40AM EST (link)

1. that isn’t what it would mean at all. If the Humboldt current ceases to exist that doesn’t mean the ocean ceases to exist.

2. From the article:

Scientists at the NSO now suspect, based on data showing decades-long trends leading to this point, that Cycle 25 may not happen at all.

in the future reading the article before criticizing a comment, it is the price of continued admission.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 

Cycle 25 will occur.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 10:17AM EST (link)

The Sun will produce magnetic flux. If it didn’t, that would mean it’s gravity well had failed and you would right now be flying towards a galaxy far, far away.

The question regarding sunspots is whether BT= Bp involves a high enough Delata T between the sunspot and the surface of the Sun. A failure of these magnetic force fields to be strong enough to produce noticeable changes in the Temperature – Pressure balance on the solar surface would indicate weaker solar activity and fewer Watts / Meter Sq hitting the top of Earth’s atmosphere.

Hence, a quiescent Sun is not an extinguised one. It’s just a temporarily less energetic one that implies less thermal energy hitting the Earth. Therefore people froze their butts off during the Maunder Minimum.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 

The cycle is here and heating up nicely

rdhalste Thursday, June 16th at 1:39AM EST (link)

The new cycle started around a year and a half back and has shown some rapidly increasing sunspot numbers since a low of zero in jun of 2009.

 
 
 
 

First the worst, then the cooling

ehvogel (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 9:55PM EST (link)

I also read the article and was impressed by the fact that we are currently experiencing the end of the peak in sunspot activity and heading toward a prolonged bottom. I suspect that we’ll see normalcy return to any heating spike (aka, the hockey stick), despite attempts by the libs to show otherwise. I do agree that we should really call this the Gore Minimum. It would be a fitting scientific footnote for his AGW bull and one that we would hope would outlive the media meme about him being the father of the Internet.

 

pseudo-science succumbs to the reality of physics...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 10:02PM EST (link)

…results so far are most disappointing. Scientists at the NSO now suspect, based on data showing decades-long trends leading to this point, that Cycle 25 may not happen at all.

“We expected to see the start of the zonal flow for Cycle 25 by now,” Hill explained, “but we see no sign of it. This indicates that the start of Cycle 25 may be delayed to 2021 or 2022, or may not happen at all.”

Penn and Livingston observed that the average field strength declined about 50 gauss per year during Cycle 23 and now in Cycle 24. They also observed that spot temperatures have risen exactly as expected for such changes in the magnetic field. If the trend continues, the field strength will drop below the 1,500 gauss threshold and spots will largely disappear as the magnetic field is no longer strong enough to overcome convective forces on the solar surface.

In parallel with this comes research from the US Air Force’s studies of the solar corona. Richard Altrock, in charge of this, has found a 40-year decline in the “rush to the poles” – the poleward surge of magnetic activity in the corona.

“Cycle 24 started out late and slow and may not be strong enough to create a rush to the poles, indicating we’ll see a very weak solar maximum in 2013, if at all. If the rush to the poles fails to complete, this creates a tremendous dilemma for the theorists … No one knows what the Sun will do in that case.”

A 40-year decline in magnetic activity?

Climate Change “Consensus” hardest hit…

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 

Everything old is new again. - nt

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 10:13PM EST (link)

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

Sorry Moe, but the "Gore Minimum" already references his

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 10:14PM EST (link)

necessity of caring his home state of Tennessee. As we know, he didn’t meet his minimum.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

Gore Minimum? AHhahahahaahahhah!

wennejunk (Diary) Tuesday, June 14th at 11:29PM EST (link)

But only if it is made explicitly clear to future generations that the name is an ultimate mocking disparagement of a buffoon and not some kind of scientific badge of honor.

Wouldn’t want history re-written now by the losers, would we?

There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ -C. S. Lewis

 

I've been told that Earth

BigRedConservative (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 5:44AM EST (link)

has been in an ice age for approx. 2000 years. A geologist friend of mine advises that an Ice Age is a period in which there are ice caps. So that kinda refutes the AGW agitprop somewhat.

And two and two always makes a five
It’s the devil’s way now
There is no way out
You can scream and you can shout
It is too late now

Radiohead

Your geo friend ...

skorrent1 (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 9:48AM EST (link)

Is full of it! Even Greenland has produced ice cores that go back 200,000 years. The Antarctic cores measure 500,000 years and more. If an ice cap means an “ice age” we may never have been out of it.

That is the official definition of an ice age ...

sarg01 Wednesday, June 15th at 1:40PM EST (link)

… and yes, the whole of human history fits within one. It’s considered to have started about 2.6 million years ago.

They’ve started using the term “glacial period” to refer to glaciers covering large parts of the Earth. This is generally what most people mean when they use the term “Ice Age”.

We are in an “interglacial period” now, as glaciers have mostly retreated towards the poles.

 
 
 

science schmience

bk (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 6:26AM EST (link)

It’s easy when you’re a liberal and don’t have to think:
Too hot? It proves evil humans are causing climate change.
Too cold? It proves evil humans are causing climate change.
Too dry? It proves evil humans are causing climate change.
Too wet? It proves evil humans are causing climate change.
Too many tornadoes? It proves evil humans are causing climate change.
Too many hurricanes? It proves evil humans are causing climate change.
Not as much bad weather as predicted by the “experts”? It proves evil humans are causing climate change.
(Fill in the blank.) It proves evil humans are causing climate change.

Yep, and if people need more clarification...

chbroussard (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 7:57AM EST (link)

blame it on a specific evil human–George W. Bush–who we all remember single-handedly guided Hurricane Katrina into New Orleans.

Hey, wait a minute!

rickbull Wednesday, June 15th at 10:17PM EST (link)

I’ll have you know that was Dick Cheney that personally pushed that hurricane into New Orleans. (I know, I saw him do it! Heh, heh.)

WE ARE THE 53% (who actually pay taxes).

You're right. I stand corrected. LOL nt

chbroussard (Diary) Thursday, June 16th at 9:48AM EST (link)
 
 
 

The science...

jasper1 Wednesday, June 15th at 7:46AM EST (link)

Perhaps you should look at the science. Here is a relevant paper

http://www.agu.org/journals/pip/gl/2010GL042710-pip.pdf

The amount of “cooling” that one could expect in a Maunder is minimal compared to the expected warming from CO2.

[T]he authors conclude the most likely impact of a Maunder Minimum by 2100 would be a decrease in global temperature of 0.1°C . With all uncertainties taken into account, the estimated maximum decrease in global temperature is 0.3°C.,

This is in context of a possiblelikely temperature increase of four to six degrees by 2100.

Your link and logic are broken

ja_ak Wednesday, June 15th at 8:39AM EST (link)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/indepth_coverage/science/globalwarming/map_flash.html

IPCC says 1.1 – 6.4 degrees. That would most likely be a bell curve, with the upper and lower limits at 2 standard deviations from the mean. Which means their mean is at 3.75 degrees. Therefore, 1.5 – 3.5 degrees is just as “possiblelikely” to use your term as 4-6, based on their data…which I think most people around here would find highly suspect.

The “science” around AGW is suspect, when you truly start digging into it. It is built on assumptions about behavior in complex systems based on highly oversimplified models. After that, they have to created “forcing” that gets to the answer they want to see – their models are such that you can get just about any result out of them you like by changing your input conditions. Until a model can be created and shown that takes historical data and accurately reflects conditions today, how can there be any confidence on what they say will happen tomorrow? Basic science 101.

JASPER REPLY

ray_harbin Wednesday, June 15th at 2:14PM EST (link)

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUSTAIN A TEMPERATURE PROFILE TO THE YEAR 2100- THIS IS A COMPUTER GENERATED ESTIMATE BASED TOTALLY ON THE GUESSES AND THE (PERHAPS?) DATA INPUT FROM GLOBAL WARMING ENTHUSIASTS, WHOSE EMPLOYMENT IS TOTALLY PREDICATED ON A CONTINUED PANIC AMONG WORLD CITIZENS (SEE MY LARGE COMMENT BELOW).

THE MOST EFFECTIVE COUNTER TO ANY THEORETICAL MISINFORMATION. OF ONE DISCIPLINE, IS TO CHECK WITH THOSE RESEARCHERS WHOSE WORK IS INVOLVED IN PARALLELING THE MISINFORMATION. FOR GLOBAL WARMING RESEARCHERS THE MOST FEARFUL TERM I N THE HOLOCENE GEOLOGICAL PERIOD IS “MEDIEVAL WARM PERIOD,” (MWP). THE EXISTENCE OF THIS WARM INTERLUDE , OCCURRING FROM ABOUT 950 AD, UNTIL ABOUT 1350– WHEN THE EARTHS TEMPERATURE WAS SUSTAINED FOR +- 400 YEARS AT 3-6 DEGREES F. ABOVE OUR CURRENT
” WARMING GLOBE,” TEMPERATURES ***WITH ABSOLUTELY ZERO INCREASE IN CO2 *** . DURING THIS VERY WARM PERIOD GREENLAND WAS COLONIZED BY THE VIKINGS; THE BEAUTIFUL MEDIEVAL CHURCHES AND CASTLES OF SCOTLAND WERE BUILT BECAUSE THE AREA BECAME WEALTHY SINCE THE NATION, FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER WAS ABLE TO GROW ITS OWN FOOD. GRAPEVINES. WERE INTRODUCED FROM THE SUNN Y SLOPES OF ITALY– AND A THRIVING WINE INDUSTRY BLOOMED. THE AGRICULTURAL GROWTH LINE WAS RAISED 2000 FEET ON MOUNTAIN SLOPES,– OPENING HUGE RICH FARM SPACES, ADDING TO THE WEALTH OF THE NATION.

NOW JASPER, THE INFORMATION ON THE MWP CAN BE RESEARCHED ON ANY COMMON ENCYCLOPEDIA BE CAUSE ITS A PRODUCT OF CONFIRMED MULTIDISCIPLINARY SCIENCE AND HISTORY –NOT SPECULATION BY MAN AND HIS PROGRAMMED COMPUTER.– WHOSE JOB DEPENDS ON HIM BRINGING FORTH BAD NEWS ONLY.

THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS REQUIRE THAT A MOUNTAIN AGRICULTURAL LINE CANNOT RISE BY 2000 FEET APART FROM A TEMPERATURE RISING OF 9-10 DEGREES F,. MEDITERRANEAN GRAPES WOULD NOT SURVIVE IN SCOTLAND WITHOUT A RISE NEAR THESE TEMPERATURES

ONE OF THE CHIEF IPPC RESEARCHERS ATTEMPTED TO PROVE THIS PERIOD NEVER OCCURRED!!! SCIENTISTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD LAUGHED. SOME WERE SO UPSET THAT THEY GAVE UP ON ANY CREDIBILITY CONCERNING GLOBAL WARMING RESEARCH. ONE VERY WELL RESPECTED AMERICAN PHYSICIST SAID ” I GUESS THAT MICHAEL MANN (THE GUILTY IPPC RESEARCHER) WILL ATTEMPT TO PROVE THAT ROME NEVER EXISTED ALSO.

AND AGAIN, APART FROM ANY INCREASE IN CARBON DIOXIDE.. YOU CAN SEE WHY MANN SAID BEFORE PUBLISHING HIS “DATA” :

IF THE MWP IS TRUE–WE HAVE NO CASE ON GLOBAL CHANGE.

Dude. Please.

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 2:47PM EST (link)

Get the CAPS LOCK fixed on your keyboard. Didn’t anyone ever tell you that USING ALL UPPER CASE is rude?

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

REPLY TO BILL S

ray_harbin Wednesday, June 15th at 3:42PM EST (link)

BIOLL, I HAVE EARNED FOUR DOCTORAL DEGREES TAUGHT SIX (6)^ UNIVERSITY SCIENCE DISCIPLINES A STATE RECORD- GOD GAVE ME AN IQ OF 163-169 — YOU NEED, IF THERE’S STILL TIME TO PUT AWAY CHILDISH CONCERNS LIKE TYPE SIZE AND GET AN EDUCATION.
I AM 73 WITH FAILING VISION. IF YOU THINK THAT UPPER CASE IS RUDE– IT MAY BE TO LATE FOR YOU.

OK, DUDE?

No.

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 4:03PM EST (link)

It’s not OK.

I really don’t care what your IQ is or how many degrees you have. I do care about how you post comments on this blog, of which I am a contributing editor and moderator. I’m not the only one who noted this.

Now I’m not going to turn off your ID this time, but if you act like a smartass again, I won’t be able to help my poor, uneducated self the next time.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

use the Ray Charles font set

streiff (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 5:29PM EST (link)

HIT CTL+ IT WILL MAKE THE FONT LARGER FOR YOU AND NOT IRRITATE THE REST OF US.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 

REPLY TO BILL S

ray_harbin Wednesday, June 15th at 5:34PM EST (link)

IF THIS VENUE DEPENDS ON YOU FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAT MINDING OTHER’S BUSINESS I THINK YOU SHOULD USE YOUR SUPREME AUTHORITY TO HAVE MY MEMBERSHIP REVOKED BECAUSE
I HAVE REPLIED AND COMMENTED ON 56 VENUES. AND PRODUCED 119 LONG COMMENTS IN 45 DAYS ON DISCUS–ALL ON UPPER CASE, AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF CHANGING BECAUSE OF YOUR ABSURD, INFANTILE OPINIONS.

Mkay. Bye.

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 5:39PM EST (link)

(I did try to be charitable, but you just couldn’t help yourself. Predictable, considering your earlier condescension).

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Ya should have put it in caps so he could read it. nt

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:39PM EST (link)

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

5 What I was wondering is....

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:53PM EST (link)

if he had to type in caps to see the words he was writing,
how did he read the posts he responded too.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

I wondered the same -nt-

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 9:00PM EST (link)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

If you had an IQ of 165,

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 10:11PM EST (link)

you would understand why, evidently.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

If you're that smart and can't figure out how to make your font size larger in your browser

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:50PM EST (link)

Then there may be a place for you in the current Administration– after all, the person leading it claims to be smart too, but can’t figure out that ATMs don’t cause unemployment.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

 
 
 

cherry pick?

jasper1 Wednesday, June 15th at 3:42PM EST (link)

IF THE MWP IS TRUE–WE HAVE NO CASE ON GLOBAL CHANGE.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/moberg2005/moberg2005.html

“According to our reconstruction, high temperatures – similar to those observed in the twentieth century before 1990- occurred around AD 1000 to 1100, and minimum temperatures that are about 0.7K below the average of 1961-90 occurred around AD 1600. This large natural variability in the past suggests an important role of natural multicentennial variability that is likely to continue. ”

Please note, the MWP temperatures fall below current temperature values (post 1990) and our global temperatures continue to climb.

According To Brown U, You Have No Case On GW.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 3:59PM EST (link)

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2011/05/vikings

Climate helped drive Vikings from Greenland

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 

REPLY TO JASPER

ray_harbin Wednesday, June 15th at 4:19PM EST (link)

YOUR RECONSTRUCTION IS AT WAR WITH CREDENTIALED INVESTIGATIONS . THERE IS NO WAY THAT AN ICE DOME LIKE GREENLAND CAN BE AGRICULTURAL AND GROW LIVE STOCKS WITH THE PALTRY INCREASES YOU SUGGEST.

GROWING ARID- SUBTROPICAL GRAPES WERE ASTONISHINGLY PROLIFIC IN SCOTLAND FOR 300 YEARS– BUT LONG GONE NOW, FOR 700+ YEARS. THE DESERTION BY THE VIKINGS OF GREENLAND WAS COEVAL WITH SCOTLAND’S RETURN TO POVERTY AFTER LOSING THEIR AGRICULTURAL GAINS TO A PRE-MWP CLIMATE REGIME. ALL OF THE GREAT ARCHITECTURAL GLORY OF SCOTLAND WAS LIMITED TO WAS TO THE MWP. WHEN WARMTH AND WEALTH WERE AVAILABLE.

 

obviously not true

streiff (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 6:11PM EST (link)

Greenland exported grain in the MWP, not so much anymore.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 
 
 
 

nice cut and paste

streiff (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:43AM EST (link)

but misrepresenting a rather speculative report only serves to beclown yourself.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 

Have You Looked At Any Actual Satellite Read Temp Data?

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:49AM EST (link)

When temperatures are actually read and not modeled, you get a totally different story. In the last 32 years we’ve seen 0.13 degrees Centigrade of Global Warming.

Using my computer model of choice (the MS Excel 2007 spreadsheet), this gives me an annual heatwave of 0.0004 degrees Centigrade. That means the Earth has a fevah that will get 1 degree warmer every 250 years!!

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 

Not buying into it.

zippymczipp Wednesday, June 15th at 9:57AM EST (link)

Mother Earth is a perfect place for us to live on. It self-regulates its temperature with or without us. It has been heating up and cooling off for 4 billion years. Even if our use of carbon fuels is accelerating the present warm up (which has been going on for the last 40,000 years), it just means it will start to self-regulate a litte sooner.
With Al Gore and others positioning themselves to make a killing selling carbon credits, AGW smells of hoax.
And even if AGW is manmade, how is carbon credit going to fix it? To say that it can I would have to use the only word I can think of. Pretentiousness!
When we can control earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, hurricanes and tornadoes, yeah, maybe then I’ll buy it. Maybe.
Oh, and a side note. Didn’t Mr. Gore’s movie allude that polar bears are drowning because the ice they are on is melting? Seems to me before this all came about I watched a National Geographic special on polar bears that said they have been known to swim hundreds of miles when migrating. Noticed I haven’t seen that special since Mr. Gore’s movie came out. Guess he had to gin up sympathy for the poor “drowning” polar bears.

OK, I’m done ranting…..

“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people… They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.” – Thomas Jefferson

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.” – Ronald Reagan

 

Ah, the "science" of alchemy!

skorrent1 (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 10:08AM EST (link)

Let me say it again!
By definition, the carbon in “fossil fuels” comes from dead plants and animals.
Those plants (directly) and animals (indirectly) got their carbon by extracting CO2 from the atmosphere.
To claim that putting a bit of this CO2 back into the atmosphere, where it came from, will cause a catastrophe is, as Santorum said, “patently absurd”.

If the math models say otherwise, it’s GIGO.

That's a low blow!

juumanistra (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 1:30PM EST (link)

Alchemy has been a real, verifiable science for the past sixty years. Take a slug of natural uranium, irradiate it, and you’ll transmute it to platinum! Granted, it’s only like 13g of platinum per kilogram of uranium irradiated, but still. Turning base metals into precious ones is totally a legit scientific endeavor.

As opposed to the GIGO modeling you rightly decry.

 
 
 

WHY WE CANNOT BELIEVE IPCC REPORTS

ray_harbin Wednesday, June 15th at 10:13AM EST (link)

WARMING RESEARCH WASTING TAX DOLLARS?

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BOONDOGGLE THROWN AT THE WORLD’S CITIZENS AS ABSURD AS THE MANDATES ARRIVING FROM GLOBAL WARMING (GW) RESEARCH.
BUT ARE THE CLAIMS SIMPLY A HOAX? NO, DEFINITELY NOT ALL –BUT BEST DESCRIBED AS “QUASI-SCIENTIFIC” RESEARCH. “QUASI” IS PERFECTLY REFLECTED IN THE ORIGINAL “VALLEY GIRLS” EXCLAMATION — “AS IF !?”– BOTH AN ACCUSATION AND AN AIR OF MILD QUESTIONING. “PSEUDO”– “FALSE” — I, E. — “PSEUDO-SCIENCE” IS A HEAVY ACCUSATION IT THAT OCCASIONALLY APPLIES TO THE GW RESEARCH, BUT IT CAN APPLY TO ANY RESEARCH: “THE FUSION IN A JAR” SCENARIO AS AN EXAMPLE. THE ROTC IS A QUASI-MILITARY GROUP, NOT FAKERS, BUT SIMILAR IN ACTION AND APPEARANCE.
IT IS A VERY BIG MISTAKE TO IGNORE THEIR CLAIMS, EVEN WHEN THEIR SPOKESPERSONS (MR. GORE, SOMEHOW COMES TO MIND) INSULT THE INTELLIGENCE AND KNOWLEDGE BANK OF A 10-YEAR OLD.

THEY NEED TO BE WATCHED, AND CONSTANTLY QUESTIONED BY EQUALLY EDUCATED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE BUT UNALLIED SCIENTISTS.

THE “PEER REVIEWED” STATEMENTS APPROVED BY THE UNITED NATIONS-IPCC– THE INTERNATIONAL GW BOARD OF DIRECTORS– MUST BE WATCHED, AS ONE WOULD WATCH A PIT VIPER ON THE PATH HE IS WALKING. NOT BECAUSE THE SERPENT IS INHERENTLY EVIL BUT BECAUSE IT IS VERY KEEN ON SURVIVAL THIS GROUP IS THE GOVERNMENTAL WATCH DOG, LOOKING OVER THE RESEARCHERS SHOULDERS. THE IPCC’S PERFORMANCE OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS HAS BEEN ATROCIOUS. A BRIEF EXAMPLE: A NORTHERN EUROPEAN RESEARCHER (I DARE NOT LIST A NAME; I HAVE SEEN FOUR ATTRIBUTIONS) STATED THAT THE WORLD’ TALLEST, MOUNT EVEREST’S ICE COVER WOULD BE GONE WITHIN 35 YEARS!! THE BEST COUNTER: IT IS NOT REMOTELY, REMOTELY POSSIBLE. THIS OUTRAGEOUS LIE . SUCH WOULD REQUIRE AN AVERAGE SEA LEVEL TEMPERATURE OF 185 DEGREES F. WHEN ACCOSTED BY SANE SCIENTISTS AS TO HIS EVIDENCE, THE FIRST REPORT BY LONDON NEWS VENUES:

I– “THERE IS NO SCIENCE, I STATED IT FOR POLITICAL REASONS.”

2–THE SECOND ATTRIBUTION — “IT’S A LIE, I DID NOT SAY THAT..”

SANE SCIENTIST’S REPLY: “YOU STATED IT BUT, MOREOVER ***YOU WROTE INTO THE MOST RECENT IPCC REPORT**** AND THEY IGNORED IT.

3–NEXT REPLY FROM THE RESEARCHER– NON REPORTED, BUT PROBABLY ON THE ORDER OF “OH., CRAP, ARE YOU SURE.” TWO THINGS TO REMEMBER ABOUT THIS SHAMEFUL USE OF TAX PAYERS MONEY : THE ICCP RIDES IN THE SAME LIMOUSINE AS THE GW RESEARCHERS; THEIR VERY HIGH PAYING JOB’S CONTINUANCE, LIKE THE RESEARCHER’S, IS PREDICATED ON A PANIC STRICKEN WORLD CITIZENRY. CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THE CLIMATOLOGICALLY SPECIALTY JOB LOSSES WOULD BE IF SANE TAX PAYERS FOUND GW TO BE A DEAD ISSUE? IF YOUR FAMILY’S LIVELIHOOD WAS DEPENDENT ON A CONTINUED GW PANIC, WOULD YOU DISPLAY A BIT OF COVERT BIAS IN HOPE OF A STRONGER CASE FOR GW ? RESEARCH SCIENTIST, OF ANY DISCIPLINE WILL NOT BITE YOU, BUT CERTAINLY CON YOU FOR THE SAKE OF HIS LIVELIHOOD.

THINK A MOMENT ABOUT WHAT AMERICA’S LACK OF HOME GENERATED OIL HAS COST THIS NATION DURING THE PAST FEW DECADES? FUTURE GENERATIONS MAY CONSIDER US THE MOST IRRATIONAL OF ALL ANCESTORS. OUR NATION SITS HERE WITH THE WORLD’S LARGEST PROVEN RESERVES OF OIL, GAS AND COAL, AND INVOLVED WITH PERPETUAL WAR AND DEATHS AND SUFFERING TO OUR YOUTH, ONLY TO MAINTAIN OIL FLOW FROM PEOPLE WHO HATE OUR GUTS. WE ARE FORCED TO LOOK ASKANCE AT ISRAEL OUR ONLY MID-EAST ALLY– “LEST OUR OIL ARABS GET PISSED.” AT WHAT COST HAS OUR DEPENDENCE ON OTHER-SIDE- OF- THE- WORLD ENERGY, WITHOUT WHICH WE ARE DEAD. OUR COMPLACENCY IS NOTHING LESS THAN INSANITY.

ALL OF THIS AND MORE, BECAUSE A TINY, RADICAL MINORITY WANTS US ON A **UNILATERAL** “CAP AND TRADE,” ENERGY DEATH MARCH– WHEN NO AMERICAN WITH AN I.Q. EXCEEDING 55 BELIEVES THERE EXISTS EVEN A SUB-MICROSCOPIC POSSIBILITY THAT RED CHINA, RUSSIA, ET AL, WILL EVER MARCH IN RANKS WITH US. “CAP AND TRADE” IS A 357 MAGNUM POINTED AT AMERICA’S ECONOMIC TEMPLE; AND WORSE, OBAMA KNOWS IT.

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE PRINCIPLE THAT AN AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY OF ENERGY-STARVED, WORK-STARVED, SELF-DETERMINATIVE VOTERS COULD RULE THE DAY?? THIS NATION WILL NEVER, EVER HAVE, NOR WANT, THE SLAVE LABOR INDUSTRIAL ADVANTAGES OF A COMMUNIST CHINA — BUT WE SIT POISED ON A SELF-CONTAINED ENERGY SOURCE WHICH THAT COUNTRY WILL NEVER HAVE. DO WE WANT A NON-RIVALED, LOWEST GASOLINE, NATURAL GAS AND COAL, WORLD ADVANTAGE? THOSE WHO DO WILL WIN THE ECONOMIC BATTLE OF THE FUTURE — AND THOSE ALONE.

HAS IT EVER ENTERED OUR HEADS THE JOB FORCE REQUIRED TO DRILL, TRANSPORT, REFINE, PROCESS, DISTRIBUTE AND CONSUME EVERY BARREL OF OIL FROM LAND BELOW OUR FEET? GEOLOGISTS SAY WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF 400 YEARS OF COAL ALONE, AND YET WE SPEND A GAZILLON BUCKS PER ANNUM SUBSIDIZING A STUPID PLAY OF CONVERTING OUR FOOD SUPPLY TO ETHANOL. THIS IMBECILIC WASTE SHOULD BE STOPPED AND SPENT ON SOME SUBSIDY ON CLEAN-COAL TECHNOLOGY– CLEARLY A MOVE. EMBRACING SANITY.

THE ANSWERS ARE UP TO US. WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH SOME ROGUE IPCC, (G-WARMER) CLIMATE RESEARCHERS, WHO RESENT INQUIRIES FROM MERE TAXPAYERS OR STATE AUTHORITIES, ABOUT RECENT EVIDENCE OF DATA MANIPULATION AT THE VERY TOP ECHELONS OF DATA PROCESS MANAGEMENT. THEY HAVE REASONS FOR CONCERN:

THE FACTS ARE THAT ANY INSIDE INFORMATION OF THESE GLOBAL WARMING SCIENTISTS IS BAD FOR THOSE INVOLVED, IN WHAT HAS BECOME VERY PLAINLY COVERT DATA MANIPULATIONS. THOSE GUILTY (AMONG OTHER THINGS) OF DROPPING LOW TEMPERATURES FROM LISTS OF ANNUAL TEMPERATURES RESULTING IN HIGHER THAN ACTUAL NUMBERS GOING IN THE RECORD BOOKS — HAVE BEEN REPORTED AGAIN, AFTER ERUPTING IN FALL OF 2010. USA CLIMATE EXPERTS CALLED THE EVIDENCE “THE SMOKING GUN.” THE BRILLIANT CLIMATOLOGIST AND THE G-WARMERS’ WORST NIGHTMARE, DR. PATRICK MICHAELS OBSERVED “NOT A SMOKING GUN, BUT A MUSHROOM CLOUD.”

THE ATTITUDE OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE PROPONENTS BEGS THE QUESTION: “DO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS WORK FOR THE GLOBAL WARMING (G-WARMER) RESEARCHERS? OR,, ARE THE RESEARCHERS EMPLOYED BY THE TAXPAYERS? IF THE LATTER IS TRUE, COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS PROFOUND AND EXPENSIVE STRUGGLE TO PROVIDE ANSWERS TO CITIZENS’ QUESTIONS, ARE OBVIOUS AND FANCIFUL RETREATS FROM THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. WHY WOULD THESE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS WANT TO HIDE THEIR METHODOLOGY AND DATA FROM THE CHECK-PAYING PUBLIC?

“”GIVE US YOUR BILLIONS AND BE QUIET — WE HAVE NO TIME FOR HANDOUTS OF INFORMATION TO YOU; WE WILL TELL YOU WHAT WE WANT YOU TO KNOW.””

NOT VERY INSPIRING OF CONFIDENCE, IS IT? AND WHAT OF THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH? CONSIDERED BY MANY GW CRITICS AS THE PREAMBLE TO THE G.WARMERS CONSTITUTION:

“ . . . {GW RESEARCH} SCIENTISTS SHOULD CONSIDER STRETCHING THE TRUTH TO GET

SOME BROAD-BASED SUPPORT, TO CAPTURE THE PUBLIC’S IMAGINATION. THAT, OF

COURSE, ENTAILS GETTING LOADS OF MEDIA COVERAGE. SO WE HAVE TO OFFER UP

SCARY SCENARIOS. MAKE SIMPLIFIED, DRAMATIC STATEMENTS, AND MAKE LITTLE

MENTION ABOUT ANY DOUBTS WE MIGHT HAVE . . . EACH OF US {TAX SUPPORTED GW

RESEARCHERS} HAS TO DECIDE WHAT THE RIGHT BALANCE IS BETWEEN BEING

EFFECTIVE AND BEING HONEST.”

READER, DOES THIS SOUND LIKE CLEAN, CANDID, CREDIBLE, CONSCIENCE-MANDATED SCIENCE TO YOU? LET ME OFFER A HINT: THIS DESERVES THE NAME “SCIENCE” IN THE VERY SAME SENSE THAT VOODOO AND ASTROLOGY DESERVE THE NAME – “SCIENCE.” THE WORD “SCIENCE” DERIVES FROM THE LATIN “SCRIE,” MEANING “TO KNOW”. THE DICTIONARY SHOWS NO ALTERNATE MEANING OF “TO LIE”.

MOREOVER, IT IS A DREADFULLY FEEBLE THEORY THAT ADMITS, UP FRONT, THAT IT CANNOT SURVIVE AND PROSPER APART FROM DISHONESTY AND DECEITFULNESS .
IT IS HERE WHERE “PSEUDOSCIENCE” IS COMPLETELY APPLICABLE.

THE ABOVE QUOTE IS FROM A “DISCOVER” ARTICLE IN 1989; THE SPEAKER STEVEN SCHNEIDER, CAREER PUBLIC TROUGH DINER, CLIMATE RESEARCHER AND THE PRIME CHOREOGRAPHER OF THE GLOBAL WARMING BALLET. SCHNEIDER HAS YET TO SEE THAT VERIFIABLE FACTS NEED NO SUPPORT FROM BUREAUCRATIC LIES OR CORRUPT AND SYCOPHANTIC MEDIA FRAUD.

EARLIER, SCHNEIDER ATTEMPTED, BUT COULD NOT GENERATE PANIC OVER, “GLOBAL COOLING.” (RESEARCHERS EARN NO INCOME UNLESS THEY RESEARCH ( OR APPEAR TO). FOR THE PAST TWO DECADES AND UP TO THIS DAY, BURNING QUESTIONS SUCH AS — “WHY IS IT GETTING SO DAMNED HOT?” — WHEN THE GRANTEE HAD JUST GONE THROUGH 1 MILLION DOLLARS ON “I’M FREEZING, IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW ICE AGE?” AND THE CENTURY OLD PUZZLES, “THE SECRET SEX LIFE OF A CROSS-EYED AMOEBA, AND, “WHY DO DOGS PREFER STEAK OVER SPINACH AND TURNIPS?”

IT PROBABLY COMES AS NO SURPRISE THAT SOME FEDERALLY- SUPPORTED “RESEARCHERS” BOTH CREATE AND MAINTAIN THE BURNING ISSUES THAT SCORCH TAX PAYERS POCKETS. THERE IS NOTHING SO REWARDING AND COMFORTING AS SOLVING A NON-EXISTENT PROBLEM FOR A FAT FEE.

DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE OVER 370,000 SQUARE MILES OF CONTIGUOUS AREA IN THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE WHICH HAS EXPERIENCED ABSOLUTELY NO WARMING AT ALL. DURING THE OFFICIAL PERIOD OF “GLOBAL WARMING?” (MEANING, THE WHOLE GLOBE SINCE 1930?) YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THIS MYSTERIOUS, UNHERALDED, CONTIGUOUS AREA: IT IS CALLED ** THE 8-STATE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES** THE GW RESEARCHERS AND THEIR GEE WHIZ COMPUTERS DON’T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHY THIS IS SO. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SUPER DUPER, COMPUTER BLOOPER TO ADD TO THE GROWING LIST.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ON NEWS VENUES, A REPORT THAT THERE HAS BEEN A CONSTANT DEBATE AMONG ALL SIDES OF THE CLIMATE ISSUES ASKING — RESOLVED: A WARMER ATMOSPHERE WILL INCREASE CLOUDINESS AND CONSEQUENTIAL RAINFALL; THE 64 QUADRILLION DOLLAR QUESTION: AT WHAT POINT DOES THE CLOUD COVER BUILD-UP REDUCE SOLAR RADIATION AT THE EARTH’S LOWER ATMOSPHERE AND SURFACE, RESULTING IN THE HALTING OF ANY OFTHE EARTH’S WARMING? (THIS IS CALLED A “NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.”)

G-WARMERS DON’T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SUCH SCARY SCENARIOS AND THEIR FEARFUL CONSEQUENCES – SO YOU ALMOST CERTAINLY HAVE NOT HEARD THE RESEARCHERS OR THE SHOW’S SENIOR BARKER, AL GORE, BRINGING THIS SUBJECT UP. THE GUESSES (THE ONLY ANSWERS AVAILABLE) HAVE RANGED FROM “ABOUT 2% TO 3% INCREASE IN MIDLEVEL CLOUDINESS WILL STOP THE WARMING.” AGAIN, THE GEE WHIZ COMPUTERS ARE USELESS WHEN ASKED TO ANSWER –AT WHAT POINT THE PERCENTAGE OF INCREASED CLOUDINESS WILL PRODUCE THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK — AND CUTTING THE HEAT OFF — AND WHERE WE ARE NOW AS A PERCENTAGE ?–. MAY AS WELL BE ASKING THE COMPUTER, “ PRECISELY, HOW MANY BUBBLES ARE CONTAINED IN A BAR OF SOAP?”

READER, AGAIN, HAS ANY OF THE THREE ABOVE PARAGRAPH EVER APPEARED IN YOUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER OR TV NEWS, ORIGINATING AS A NEWS BUZZ FROM THE G-WARMING CROWD?

DOES THE NAME “MICHAEL MANN” MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU? MANN IS AN UPPER LEVEL G-WARMER, PENN STATE CLIMATE PROFESSOR, WHO WAS UPSET WITH THE VERY EXISTENCE OF A VERY WELL-RESEARCHED CLIMATIC PERIOD, BEGINNING NEAR 900 AD AND ENDING ABOUT 1350 AD. THIS EPOCH IS KNOWN IN PALEOCLIMATE CIRCLES AS “THE MEDIEVAL WARM PERIOD” (MWP). WHY DID MANN’S MIND DEVELOP SO MUCH BITTERNESS FOR THIS QUIET, HARMLESS, HISTORICAL INTERLUDE? ENDLESS RESEARCHERS VOUCH FOR ITS EXISTENCE– AND SOCIETAL LEVEL, RESULTANT CHANGES: ESTABLISHED BY: PALEOBOTANISTS, GEOLOGISTS, POST-GLACIAL STUDIES, TREE-RING DATING, PERIGLACIAL GEOLOGISTS, OCEANOGRAPHERS, AGRICULTURE HISTORICAL EXPERTS, AD INFINITUM.

BUT WHY DID MICHAEL MANN DESPISE THE VERY EXISTENCE OF THE MWP?

SIMPLY BECAUSE THOUSANDS OF RESEARCHERS DECLARED THIS 400 – 500 YEAR INTERVAL WAS MINIMALLY 2 – 3. DEGREES C. WARMER THAN OUR PRESENT G-WARMING — WITH **ABSOLUTELY** NO* INCREASE **IN* ATMOSPHERIC CO2**. THIS TIME AND PLACE WAS A LOW-DOWN CONSPIRACY, TRYING TO PUT DR. MANN OUT OF WORK! MANY OF MANN’S G-WARMING COLLEAGUES JUST LAUGHED HIS NOTION OFF AND WENT BACK TO THEIR PRIMARY WORK OF CORRUPTING DATA.

THIS REQUIRES THAT I MODIFY AN OLD ONE-LINER FROM SATIRICAL POET, SAMUEL BUTLER: “ALTHOUGH GOD CANNOT CHANGE THE PAST, G-WARMER RESEARCHERS CAN; THIS IS APPARENTLY THE REASON HE TOLERATES THEIR EXISTENCE.”

I HAVE STUDIED WEATHER AND CLIMATE FOR 53 YEARS. I FIND IT EASY TO BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE AREAS OF THE EARTH HAVE WARMED A BIT SINCE THE 1930S — BUT NOT VERY MUCH, AND EVEN A TEN-YEAR-OLD CHILD KNOWS THAT 1.6 DEGREES F. PROVIDES NO GAME WINNING ARGUMENT — ESPECIALLY IF SOME OF THIS TINY FIGURE IS “PROBABLY CAUSED BY FACTORS OTHER THAN CO2 ATMOSPHERIC DEPOSITION.” (A QUOTE FROM THE MOST RECENT IPCC (G-WARMER’S) REPORT. WHAT IS LEFT OF 1.6 F. AFTER DEDUCTING AN APPROPRIATE FRACTION THAT IS NON– ANTHROPOGENIC CO2 RELATED? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE KNOWS. AND IF THESE RESEARCHERS WANT RESPECT, THEY MUST NOT ACT AS IF THE GAME IS OVER AND RECOGNIZE THAT AN AWFUL LOT OF BRILLIANT CLIMATOLOGISTS AND PALEOCLIMATOLOGISTS SEE THEM AS BEING FAR TOO DEEP AS POLITICIANS TO BE EFFECTIVE SCIENTISTS.

IF THIS CROWD WANTS RESPECT, THIS IS WHERE THEY NEED TO START.

 

REPLY TO IZONEGUY

ray_harbin Wednesday, June 15th at 3:18PM EST (link)

IZONE– YOUR LOWER COMMENT IS FRIGHTENINGLY ACCURATE. YOUR UPPER COMMENT REMINDS ME AGAIN OF THE SAD FACT THAT ROMNEY IS NO CONSERVATIVE– VOTERS NEED BADLY TO LOOK AT HIS RECORD FROM 2003 THRU 2007– GOVERNOR OF MASS. THIS IS NOT ANCIENT HISTORY. IN ORDER TO GOVERN MASSACHUSETTS HE HAD TO CONVINCE THE ELECTORATE, THAT HE WAS PRO ABORTION— PRO GUN CONTROL—PRO SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE —IN LOVE WITH THE GLOBAL WARMING SYMPHONY– PRO SAME SEX MARRIAGE, ETC.

HE HAD TO CONVINCE THE STATE THAT HE WAS AS LIBERAL AS TED KENNEDY. HE HAD TO EXPOSE HIS LIBERAL CREDENTIALS TO THE ONLY STATE TO REJECT REAGAN IN HIS MAMMOTH RUNAWAY IN 1984.

AND HE CONVINCED THEM HE WAS

If you can't get your caps-lock under control,

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 3:22PM EST (link)

I suggest a new key board.
All caps is shouting. We ain’t deaf.
It IS very irritating.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 
 

National Geographic piece

jasper1 Wednesday, June 15th at 3:45PM EST (link)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090504-sun-global-cooling.html

“[Global warming] skeptics tend to leap forward,” said Mike Lockwood, a solar terrestrial physicist at the University of Southampton in the U.K. (Get the facts about global warming.)

He and other researchers are therefore engaged in what they call “preemptive denial” of a solar minimum leading to global cooling.

Even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the scientists say, the star’s effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2).

“I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down,” Lockwood said. “I think that helps keep it in perspective.”

Again, Mr. Data Says +0.0004 Degrees C/ Year(nt)

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 3:52PM EST (link)

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

cherry picking

jasper1 Wednesday, June 15th at 4:14PM EST (link)

Given the variability of data you need a sufficiently long base line to be able to generate trends. Here is a graph of the UAH (satellite) data that already shows more warming than your “analysis”

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Satellite_Temperatures.png

If you look at the temperature record since 1880

http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

You will see that temperatures are up about .8 C since (1.5 F).

BTW “Using my computer model of choice (the MS Excel 2007 spreadsheet), this gives me an annual heatwave of 0.0004 degrees Centigrade.”

Not that your analysis is correct but .13/32 is .004 not .0004. But then what is an order of magnitude when you premise is false anyway.

For A Guy Using IPCC Data To Accuse Anyone Else of Cherry-Picking Is Beyond Hilarious.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 4:21PM EST (link)

“It is totally unacceptable that IPCC should have had a Greenpeace employee as a Lead Author of the critical Chapter 10, that the Greenpeace employee, as an IPCC Lead Author, should (like Michael Mann and Keith Briffa in comparable situations) have been responsible for assessing his own work and that, with such inadequate and non-independent ‘due diligence’, IPCC should have featured the Greenpeace scenario in its press release on renewables. ”

http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/14/ipcc-wg3-and-the-greenpeace-karaoke/

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 
 
 
 

beans in your ears.

j2saret Wednesday, June 15th at 6:27PM EST (link)

If true, then how severe is global warming that even at solar minimums, global yearly temps remain in the top ten.
The problem is you mistake the messenger–Al Gore for the message—Human caused pollution makes our environment a little less livable for us. Just because Al latched on to a true thing does not mean you have to lock step deny its truth or be rino’d just deny his solution—fewer people living more impoverished lives and select the market solutions that make sense and create wealth.
Sorry the denial cult is being knee jerked for the short term profits of companies with no regard for the future.
I expect better of you. I don’t expect better of Al

Any facts to back up your rant?

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 6:37PM EST (link)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Actual Solar activity

j2saret Wednesday, June 15th at 6:58PM EST (link)

Prepared jointly by the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, NOAA,
Space Weather Prediction Center and the U.S. Air Force.
Updated 2011 Jun 15 2200 UTC

Joint USAF/NOAA Report of Solar and Geophysical Activity
SDF Number 166 Issued at 2200Z on 15 Jun 2011

IA. Analysis of Solar Active Regions and Activity from 14/2100Z
to 15/2100Z: Solar activity reached moderate levels during the
period. An impulsive M1/Sf flare was observed from Region 1236
(N17E58) at 14/2147Z. The region continued to rotate on to the disk,
and now appears as an E-type group with Beta-Delta magnetic
characteristics. Region 1234 (S15W22) produced a C3/1f at 15/1432Z.
The region doubled in area and spot count, but remained a simple
bi-polar group.

IB. Solar Activity Forecast: Solar activity is expected to be low
with a chance for M-class events all three days of the period (16 -
18 June).

IIA. Geophysical Activity Summary 14/2100Z to 15/2100Z:
The geomagnetic field was quiet. Solar wind velocities steadily
decreased through the period from about 550 km/s to near 450 km/s.
The Bz component of the interplanetary magnetic field began the
period weakly south to about -3 nT. At 15/0900Z, Bz turned weakly
north to about +3 nT, and remained so through the balance of the
period.

IIB. Geophysical Activity Forecast: The geomagnetic field is
expected to be at mostly quiet levels through day one (16 June) and
the majority of day two (17 June). Late on day two, and through day
three (18 June), quiet to isolated active conditions are possible
due to glancing blow effects from the CME observed early on 14 June.

III. Event Probabilities 16 Jun-18 Jun
Class M 25/25/25
Class X 01/01/01
Proton 01/01/01
PCAF green

IV. Penticton 10.7 cm Flux
Observed 15 Jun 102
Predicted 16 Jun-18 Jun 105/105/105
90 Day Mean 15 Jun 103

V. Geomagnetic A Indices
Observed Afr/Ap 14 Jun 007/007
Estimated Afr/Ap 15 Jun 007/007
Predicted Afr/Ap 16 Jun-18 Jun 005/005-006/007-008/008

VI. Geomagnetic Activity Probabilities 16 Jun-18 Jun
A. Middle Latitudes
Active 05/10/15
Minor storm 01/01/05
Major-severe storm 01/01/01
B. High Latitudes
Active 10/15/20
Minor storm 01/05/10
Major-severe storm 01/01/01

Lots of data available for a quick search —no minimums mentioned this year. The minimum was in the past cycle not the current one which is predicted to peak in the next year or so.
I predict from this that 2012,2013, 2014 will be in top 5 years for global temps and one of the them will be new record.
Use search engines to look up times of London letters page when the city was putting in municipal sewers—quality of argument by those who did not approve is analogous to cult of denial ranting now.

so does this data correlate with...

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 7:19PM EST (link)

the warming period in the 1880′s and the one in the 1030″s.
And by the way, what does the data you supplied say anyway.
It really is saying nothing without an explanation.
How does it affect earth tempurature, and where is the calculation for the amount of carbon valcanoes put into the air.
Or is it just evil man and thier machines that cause global warming.

And what about the data that says the earth has cooled in the last ten years.

from:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientist-predicts-ice-age-within-10-years.html

excerpt:
“A dramatic cooling trend is being observed across the planet even as people like Al Gore continue to claim that the threat of global warming mandates the poor and middle class be hit with CO2 taxes in order to prevent climate change.

Both anecdotal evidence and hard data indicates that the planet is in the beginning stages of a significant downturn in global temperatures.

Following the end of the Sun’s most active period in over 11,000 years, the last 10 years have displayed a clear cooling trend as temperatures post-1998 leveled out and are now plummeting.”

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

oops. not 1030s, 1930s

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 7:20PM EST (link)

put the zero to close to the 9

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 
 

This report covers the next 3 days

ja_ak Thursday, June 16th at 8:36AM EST (link)

How can you make a claim for this year, let alone the next several years, based upon a report that covers a prediction for 16 – 18 Jun? Gekster asked you to provide evidence for your rant. I’ll repeat his comment:

Any facts to back up your rant?

 
 
 
 

time of year

welder4 Wednesday, June 15th at 7:50PM EST (link)

It certainly is cold for this time of year

 

Don't you people have thermostats?

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, June 15th at 8:44PM EST (link)

That’s how I regulate the temperatures I live in.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

Real Cause of the mini iceage

wanttopeach (Diary) Thursday, June 16th at 9:41AM EST (link)

The real cause of the Mini Ice Age is man made. The idiots drilled into that salt dome in the gulf. This spread the oil up to three feet thick on the bottom of about half of the Gulf of Mexico resulting in the halting of the Gulf Loop section of the Gulf Stream. The thermal bearer between the warm water and the cold water dissolved causing it to disperse into the gulf. Because the loop is not delivering the warm heat of the Gulf the temperature of the Gulf Stream that runs up the east coast has dropped more then ten degrees. It also spread minute amounts of oil into the Gulf Stream. The Gulf Stream that use to go all the way to Ireland now settles and diverts south into the cold part of the Helaine incline 250 miles off of Cape Hatteras, NC. The loss of the Gulf Stream, the controlling factor for the Jet Stream has allowed the Jet Stream to move out of place, causing dry conditions where it usually rains, colder then normal conditions, and Extremely wet conditions in the northern half of the USA. This decline of the Gulf Stream and the resulting repositioning of the Jet stream has given Europe worst winter in a thousand years and has affected the weather even in the Klamath Valley, Oregon where I live. The last expected frost here is June 6th. Today is June 16th and it is down to 29 degrees this morning. More on the next comment.

 

Mini Ice age?

wanttopeach (Diary) Thursday, June 16th at 9:46AM EST (link)

It will get much worse this fall! China’s economic bubble is about to burst. We are about to go into hyper inflation maybe 100 to 300% a week, and the brown dwarf star is now making its entrance into the solar system, causing major destruction to the ecology. This is what I have been sending out, including to churches I have applied for pastor, If they do not believe you or I, and basically they have not, I am not responsible for their actions because they have been told.
I am not one of these date setting heretic wackos like this camping fellow, I will not set a date for the Rapture and Tribulation, and the End of the World is not upon us, but the end of our culture and what Christians call the Age of Grace is upon us.
This is what John Moore says we need:
1. need a storm shelter big enough to handle 6 adults with children. Build bunks starting at the floor if you have to..
2. build a generator which I have plans for to create enough electricity to power a light, refrigerator and freezer.
3. Food for six months, and two years of seed on hand to plant garden after the event is over.
4. five to six adults with a rifle and at least 500 rounds ammo per adult to protect and hunt food after the disaster is over. You will need more food and another shelter if you want your children and grandchildren to be here where it is safe. It takes about 900 lbs of grain to feed an adult for a year. John does recommend 2 years worth of food but we are probably out of time for getting that much food.
View all 12 video segments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbiuKTtMZo&feature=player_embedded
Before you read the rest of this information please listen to this web link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MaWJ4hP8gQ&feature=related Further more, Jack Van Impe agrees with him completely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zclBbXusxo&feature=BF&list=QL&index=19
According to John Moore whom I trust with my life the brown dwarf star is due in this fall. He says things will get much worse by October, which means we will probably be nearing or in level three by then.
In 2000 the Sun flipped magnetic poles because of the force exerted on it by the Brown Dwarf star. (Rev. 8:11) As the star rotates around the sun, coming from the south, it will shift its magnetic pole,the Sun’s pole, and earths pole continually with it. (our pole is currently shifting 50 miles a week, aligning with the dwarf star!) This will cause the extreme solar storms with 140 degree heat the scientists were talking about back in 2005. (Rev. 16:8) We are now in level two with major disasters happening almost every week. There have been thousands of earthquakes in the Guy, Arkansas Earthquake Swarm. During these earthquakes the face of a bluff fell away revealing what is purported to be the remains of a steal reinforced concrete dam more then 6000 years old. When we enter what John calls level three these occurrences will take place and the pole will shift 50 miles every day. It will take 30 days to move through level three to level four.
At the start of level four the Brown Dwarf star will grab the water bulge located on the equator and pull it south, destroying all land, buildings, and people who live below 500 feet. As it progresses through our system it will drag the water back to the equator then into the norther hemisphere. Everything below 500 feet will be destroyed so you need to be located at least 650 to 1000 feet above sea level . (Rev 8:8; 11:16) The Dwarf star will keep the water on us (the northern hemisphere) for about three months as it arcs around the sun. It will then pull the water back to the south then release it, causing Tsunami’s as water roles north then south a half a dozen times before it settles back on the new equator. The Government says the Earth’s new pole will probably be located somewhere between Russian Siberia and Upper Mongolia. If this is so Des Moines, Iowa will be locate somewhere near the latitude that Los Angeles, CA is right now. John is recommending the AR/MO Ozarks because earthquakes do not travel through the dense rock found there very well. He also says that we need to be away from large population centers because the people will rush away and in panic take what they can find. Other disasters expected. 1. two to three volcanoes along our coastal range erupt. Major earthquakes in the west and on the New Madrid which will be under 200 feet of water and world wide Rev. 6:15, disruption of all services and transportation, including the power grid. Finally war over the remaining resources.
I do believe in the pre tribulation rapture, but at what point does it take place! The pre tribulation rapture is the most dangerous biblical truth we preach because people say I will not be here so why prepare. First, none of us know when the rapture will take place, or even if it will take place now or years from now. Second, If we are prepared and are raptured out someone who was not may find our resources and survive, and in the process of reading the biblical material we have left, find Jesus as Savior! I desire to survive the rapture but if I (we) do nothing I (we) will be as panicked as the rest of the population. And Panic does not help survival at all. Preparedness does! If there is enough culture left to have education I will start Seminary after this is over.
I know John Moore well enough to trust him implicitly. If I have gone of the Deep end it is because Revelation is coming on us now! Please do not believe the NASA mouthpiece. He has bought a home near Denver and had built a shelter there.
Some say I am a conspiracy addict, but I am not. If I am deemed to be one I will ask you- Did Napoleon conspire to take all of Europe? Did England conspire to grab and control as much of the worlds land as they could? Did Hitler conspire to take over the World, did the Soviet Union conspire to overthrow countries all over the planet? Are the Muslims conspiring to destroy Israel and subjugate the whole world?
If this comes this fall, the odds of there even being an election this fall are very low, and notice John says it will get worse this fall!

Jesus sent me here to Kleos Children’s Community to get them ready, but they have rejected the info and are doing nothing. Bennie and I now face the situation of no place to live and no resources to prepare for the coming disaster.
Please prepare your family!
Please respond