Davy Plouffe tries to manage expectations.


Plouffe took some time away from his current job – which is to say, rewriting the Democratic party’s rules so as to eliminate any chance of a successful primary challenge to the President in 2012 – to graciously define the Republican party’s November victory conditions for it. Apparently, according to Davy if we’re not “winning back the House, winning back the Senate and winning every major governor’s race” on Election Day then we’ve failed.  Which is an entertaining little argument, and quite clever (for a Democratic strategist), for two reasons.  The first is that it’s essentially unfalsifiable: all a Democrat has to do is declare that a particular governor’s race is ‘major’ and hey presto! – the GOP has failed.

The second reason that this is almost-clever is that while most people can see through that trap, not as many might challenge the underlying assumption that there can be a quantifiable definition of ‘victory’ at all.  Which is blatantly untrue: you see, you can win any number of seats and still not impose your political will on the civic landscape (something that the antiwar movement learned in 2007*).  Put another way: to quote SM Stirling, you win battles not by killing the enemy, but by breaking their hearts and making them run.

Which we are already doing to the Democrats in Congress. That is what victory looks like.

Davy.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

(H/T Hot Air, AoSHQ, Andrew Malcolm)

*I’ve also been reminded that President Obama, despite his super-majority in both houses, didn’t manage to impose his own will on, well, anybody.  Unless the President is finally prepared to take personal ownership of the ‘stimulus’ and Obamacare?  No?  No, I didn’t think that he was prepared to do so, either.


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I'm reminded of the joke that ends "We're well out of the range of enemy *urk*"

acat (Diary) Friday, October 8th at 10:31PM EST (link)

You just go ahead and move the goal posts all the way out, Dave.

Mew

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goal posts pushed all the way out to Hawaii,

tngal (Diary) Saturday, October 9th at 6:29AM EST (link)

And oddly enough, strange things are happening there too. Charles Djou seems to be holding his own against Hanabusa . The thinking was he only won the seat during the special election because his two dem opponents couldn’t keep their hands off each others throats long enough to unite and so split their votes and Djou ran down centerfield for the win. But now he’s only got one opponent and yet he is statistically tied with hi opponent in a recent poll. It was suppose to go back to the dems, hands down no question. Its Obi One’s home state for crying out loud. It shouldn’t be this close. But apparently it is, if the poll is to be believed. Djou is not the most conservative candidate out there but its nice to have him in the R column. Just the knowledge that he’s holding his own rates high on the dems pucker factor.

For a guy from Obama's first adopted home Djou is pretty good.

acat (Diary) Saturday, October 9th at 6:38AM EST (link)

He’s not a right wing ideologue, but we’re not going to *get* that in Hawaii or – really – anywhere. Well, as long as we insist on electing politicians, anyway. I’ll take Djou over any Dem.

Mew

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I Love How Nate Silver Downgraded Djou's Chances Despite The PPP Poll (nt)

IJB Saturday, October 9th at 12:20PM EST (link)
 
 

Don't count the eggs just yet...

TXCHLInstructor Friday, October 8th at 10:39PM EST (link)

While I would hope that my country has not yet sunk so low, I would not discount the possibility of widespread and severe voter fraud next month. It’ a bit early to be so complacent.


Does the 2nd Amendment actually mean what it says, or should we just scrap the whole document? (www.chl-tx.com)

 

My quote for little Davy....

chbroussard (Diary) Friday, October 8th at 10:41PM EST (link)

Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

 

I disagree, Moe

Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Friday, October 8th at 11:30PM EST (link)

To be clear, I disagree with both you and Plouffe. Obviously he has moved the goalposts ridiculously far. I disagree with you, though, that victory is measured by an ability to “break their hearts and make them run.” The truth is that we’ve lost even when we had done that. Look no further than the health care debate, which we had won. It was over. We did our celebration. On the ensuing kickoff, the band was on the field. The band was on the field!

There is a quantifiable definition of victory in this election. We can claim victory if we achieve all three. They can claim victory if we achieve only one or neither. It’s a sister kisser if we achieve two.

1. We win the House. Doing this means that we can stop Obama’s drunken sailor spending, even if it means shutting down the federal government. (I say “even”, I’d love to see it happen for a while. It seems to be the only way the government can be fiscally responsible.)
2. We win enough seats in the Senate to be able to maintain a filibuster and to influence the President’s selection of SCOTUS nominees.
3. We win enough gubernatorial mansions and state legislatures to give ourselves a decided advantage in the redistricting process.

 

is it Davy?

CarolT (Diary) Friday, October 8th at 11:36PM EST (link)

I’m sorry they are so alike I get them confused, Obama and Deval Patrick, our Gov. Is Plouffe the campaign mgr they share or is it Axelrod?

There are lots of dirty things going on in MA governors race here. I know you had link to Tiernery’s wife’s crimes here Wed, that is mild in comparison to what has been going on in governors race since Oct 1. Each day it gets worse, I think it is Patrick using the dem that switched to (I) last year to run for Gov, Tim Cahill.

He’s embarassing himself and the rest of his crew, now he is suing his some of his former campaign managers. Last Friday Cahill’s Lt Gov running mate quit an endorsed the (R) Baker. It has gotten worse every day this week.

The whole thing almost, but not quite, makes Patrick look good. He ‘s no good, he wants a VAT here too. Patrick hinted at it, but we know what he means.

 

The premise of Plouffe's argument

vamoose Saturday, October 9th at 2:48AM EST (link)

What underlies Plouffe getting a step ladder to raise the bar for the GOP is this statment, “When you’ve got winds this strong in your favor…”
Translation: the Obama administration has been a complete failure.

 

You Win Battles Not By, But By Making Them Run

wolfgang Saturday, October 9th at 8:25AM EST (link)

As in Iwo Jima, February 25 to March 39,1945. Or, for that matter, in places like Tarawa, Saipan, Guam, Pelieliu, Okinawa, the Phillipines, The Phillipine Sea, Leyte Gulf.
Remember, we’re dealing with a president who promises Conservatives, “Fighting, hand to hand.”

Correction

wolfgang Saturday, October 9th at 9:42AM EST (link)

February 19th, 1945. The flag raising occurred on the 23rd. There were already 2,000 dead Marines by the 25th.

 
 

Frankly I expected a lot better from Phluffie.

deadreckoning (Diary) Saturday, October 9th at 8:49AM EST (link)

This is nothing but childish rhetoric that cannot possibly help the democrats, except to offer some salve to their post election wounds. Of course we knew something like this would be said to help manage expectations. But this is so tranparently ridiculous that even independents and moderates will see this as bluster.

To me, this just encourages a more intense GOTV effort on the part of conservatives to try and still make this incredibly lofty goal and spite the dems. And can this be a real encouragement for democrats by basically acknowledging the upcoming electoral slaughter in November?

 

Plouffle, passes for brains in the Party, a low bar

johnt Saturday, October 9th at 10:40AM EST (link)

indeed, This is a strategist? Didn’t the ass use the word disaster?
If so can you imagine post-election interviews when the ass tries to maintain that childishly ludicrous position. Where is his portable teleprompter?
They’re getting dumber by the hour

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

I for one am glad to see

Adjoran (Diary) Saturday, October 9th at 3:32PM EST (link)

how far our society has come that a flamboyant gehe man like Plouffe can be taken seriously.