Do you agree with the State Department, Ambassador Huntsman?


You'll be wanting to answer THAT WOMAN's question, methinks.

It’s widely rumored that Jon Huntsman (former Republican governor of Utah, and current ambassador to the People’s Republic of China) has future political ambitions: I submit that those ambitions will quickly die the True Death if he does not address the recent ridiculousness over our State Department apologizing to the People’s Republic of China for Arizona’s enforcement of the government’s own illegal immigration policy.  Because it’s now officially part of the national discussion:

The absolute low point of this campaign came last Friday, when a U.S. State Department delegation met with Chinese negotiators to discuss human rights. Apparently, our State Department felt it necessary to make their Chinese guests feel less bad about their own record of human rights abuses by repeatedly atoning for American “sins” – including, it seems, the Arizona immigration/pro-border security law. Asked if Arizona came up at all during the meeting, Assistant Secretary of State Michael Posner answered:

“We brought it up early and often. It was mentioned in the first session, and as a troubling trend in our society and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or potential discrimination, and that these are issues very much being debated in our own society.”

Note that he said “We brought it up” – not the Chinese, but the U.S. State Department’s own delegation. Instead of grilling the Chinese about their appalling record on human rights, the State Department continued the unbelievable apology tour by raising “early and often” Arizona’s decision to secure our border.

Former Governor Palin went on to ask Ambassador Huntsman by name whether he agrees with this… unique… initiative of the State Department. I’m not sure whether she’s asking him to answer in his capacity as an ambassador, or in his capacity of a potential future leader in the Republican party; either way, she’s quite keen to hear Huntsman’s response. As am I.  And, I expect, as are quite a few more people.

Moe Lane

Crossposted to Moe Lane.


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Is this

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 5:14PM EST (link)

the son of the Jon Huntzman whose billions have created the terrific cancer hospital? The same son of the man that Beck thinks is the greatest human on earth?

One and the same nt

Tom Anderson (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 5:29PM EST (link)

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
- Edmund Burke

 
 

Which country is yours, Mr. Ambassador?

MikeInOhio Tuesday, May 18th at 5:17PM EST (link)

It was said that George Schultz, while Secretary of State under President Reagan, would give new ambassadors a test: he would show the ambassador a large globe, and ask him to point out “his country”.

The correct answer was to point to the United States, but many missed the point of the exercise and pointed to the country to which they were to be sent. Some embarrassment would certainly follow if the point had to be explained.

How many of our current ambassadors would not only fail the test, but even continue to argue about it?

 

Oh Hell Yes He Does!!

BigGator5 (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 5:51PM EST (link)

Speaking earlier on Friday morning the US Ambassador to China, and former Republican governor of Utah, Jon Huntsman said that the talks on human rights were difficult but a sign of improved relations between countries that have had strained relations in the past year over US arms sales to Taiwan, internet freedom and cyber attacks, and trade disputes.

“We’re talking about issues that are uncomfortable, quite frankly, but it is a sign of maturity that we can talk about specific cases,” Huntsman said.

There is no doubt in my mind that Ambassador Huntsman is onboard with the rest of the State Department! Huntsman is not one of us any longer!

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what is your reasoning for 'huntsman is no longer one of us'? nt.

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 6:26PM EST (link)

nt.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

Might it be that he works for the Socialist Obama Administration?...nt

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 6:57PM EST (link)

Yes...

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 10:46PM EST (link)

and by that logic Erick has sold out redstate for joining that “Communist News Network”….

normally I’d agree with you that an Obama appointee is by default a moron and willing to follow the leader and take the heat…

however, knowing the background of Jon Huntsman Jr., I’m more willing to believe he’s there because he thinks he can impact our relationship with China for the better… clearly Obama had to stretch far to find someone that was fluent in mandarin and in the culture, and also fluent in business and in executive leadership in american politics, and well didn’t find someone like that among democrats.

I’m not saying I’d vote for him in a presidential primary, because I know he’s not a great conservative.

However I think He’s a good man in a difficult situation… let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 
 
 

what is your reasoning for 'huntsman is no longer one of us'? nt.

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 6:26PM EST (link)

nt.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 
 

Question

dubsican (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 5:53PM EST (link)

Y’all realize that as the Ambassador of the United States to China, it is Huntsman’s sole responsibility to speak of US policy, and not to provide his personal opinion? As a result, by insisting that he do this you are requesting that he violate the role of an Ambassador and behave inappropriately. Not trying to be an ***but if he were to answer that question he would be doing something wrong…….

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

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Are you seriously suggesting that unelected State Dept appointee...

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 6:10PM EST (link)

…Michael Posner is in ultimate charge of our China policy? Ambassador Huntsman answers to the President via the Secretary of State; he is not Posner’s underling! So yes, I expect that it is his responsbility to clarify what appears to be a serious diplomatic overreach.

 
 

This would break my heart...

merryj1 Tuesday, May 18th at 6:18PM EST (link)

… if a Huntsman were to “break bad” on this, and “Dubsican” makes a good and valid point. As the US Ambassador to China, Huntsman is pretty effectively gagged, and prevented from doing the tap-dance on Posner’s skull that is so richly deserved.

 

spineless question...from Sarah.

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 6:25PM EST (link)

Coming from a candidate who left office to bolster her rhetoric bonfides, methinks this is a canard issue.

If you’re curious as to what Jon Huntsman Jr. wants in terms of immigration you already have his record as governor of Utah. Where’s Palin’s record of dealing with illegal immigration?

In March 2005 Hunstman Jr. signed Senate Bill 227 into law March 8. Utah no longer issues driver licenses or identifications to illegal immigrants.

Then again in 2007 on HB241 Huntsman said he may veto the bill that would repeal lower “In-State Tuition” rates for children of illegal immigrants that attended 3 years of High School, and did not have citizenship themselves. Don’t remember what his reasons were for his ‘consideration of a veto’ if the Bill reached his desk.

The point I’m making is there is information available on Huntsman’s thoughts on illegal immigration, and yet.. why is Palin somehow authoritative enough to ask this question?

It would mean a hell of a lot more coming from someone who a) Finished their entire term in public office, and b) came from someone who had to review a similar law in the executive position that had to make a decision or work with the legislature regarding the law.

To me this is Sarah Palin sitting in the pundit’s seat calling out the competition because it seems like a mighty opportunity to force an answer out of someone that is attempting to develop better relationsihps with the Chinese, not divide them.

I think its entirely disingenous, and a spineless political move.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

and I think you are an idiot. -nt

Alberta (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 6:53PM EST (link)

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln

 

Uh, DimLit, read stuff and then make a stupid post.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 6:54PM EST (link)

The issue isn’t Huntsman’s view on illegal aliens, it’s his lack of character in tolerating some State Department POS apologizing to China about the “human rights abuse” contained in the Arizona law that apparently no one in the Obama administration has had read to them.

Hey, maybe there is job for you in the Obama Gang in that your reading comprehension is equally non-existent.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

On that note.....

dubsican (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 8:29PM EST (link)

While I understand the issue, my concern with this question and this interogatory approach to Amb. Huntsman, is that for all we know, he fought tooth and nail to keep that quiet, but Palin in a purely political (though extremely well-played) move is attempting to take advantage of the fact that Huntsman may very well have fought tooth and nail to stop this, but is now (in his role as the Ambassador to China), forced to follow that policy.

Thus he looks bad to us, when in reality he may very well have pushed that policy in the proper direction and we just don’t know how obsequious the original proposal was……..maybe not likely, maybe he didn’t affect any change, but he very well could have fought the good fight, and then continued to do his job to the best of his ability (ensuring that no Obama donating hack buys the Ambassadorship to China), and that he can continue to try and push Chinese policy rightward!

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

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Otherwise known as selling out.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 8:38PM EST (link)

“but is now (in his role as the Ambassador to China), forced to follow that policy. ”

Why would you want to support someone who would sell out his Country like this?

Palin makes the right point and it gets criticized by anklebiters as political.

Let’s be real. You can’t even come closet o making a legitimate argument why this guy sold his soul to Obama to take the job in the first place.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Ahhh sir but you ignore my point

dubsican (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 8:43PM EST (link)

By working w.in the administration, silently, and with hard effort we don’t know what policy he’s stopped, or pushed to the right. You’re making a decision with a massive amount of information asymmetry here!

And that’s why this question bothers me because he CAN’T answer! Yes he could resign in protest, but if he’s affecting better policy (maybe not good but better), wouldn’t that be irresponsible?

I might be wrong, but i’m concerned that attacks on issues like this could hurt a smart man’s career.

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

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Yes, his silence is deafening in its integrity,

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, May 19th at 1:07AM EST (link)

and his ability to affect better policy as an insider in the rot of Obamaland must be being obscured by the stench of his moral cowardice.

You are making a defense based soley on imputed assumptions.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Imputed assumptions

BA Cyclone (Diary) Wednesday, May 19th at 11:37AM EST (link)

Funny thing is that this cuts both ways. Including the amount and level of charges being thrown at the Ambassador in this thread.

Another curious point is one raised below – that Sarah Palin is not herself immune to rather curious behavior in the realm of her endorsements. Is it equally acceptable for Palin to suspend her conservative convictions to pay homage to McCain allegiances? I humbly submit that we be careful where and how we apply purity tests.

I think it’s right to question Mr. Huntsman, even call him to task, for a full accounting of his opinion on this topic. The behavior of the State Dept. here looks egregious. But for us to fail appreciating the position he is in as Ambassador – and the potential for his “conservative innocence” on this matter – is rather simplistic and dishonest.

I would hope we give him chance to respond in kind, as much as an Ambassador could, before we start measuring for the political pine box.

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"I would hope we give him chance to respond in kind"

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, May 19th at 12:07PM EST (link)

I am sure he wants his response to be written in stone and he must be chiseling as fast as he can, otherwise, I am sure we would have heard his response by now?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 
 
 
 
 

uhh steakface... poke fun at name then show maturity...

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 11:30PM EST (link)

you may want someone to put the State Dept in check, but that’s not the job of the Ambassador… especially when it was the State Dept leading out on this, and not the Chinese demanding apologies…

furthermore I don’t think you quite grasp foreign policy when you imply that the Ambassador of U.S. to China should be falling over himself to lay a political smackdown on people that he reports to rather than working diplomatically behind the scenes to untangle a very stupid gesture by very stupid appointees. I mean, who cares where we are with China on say North Korea, Monetary policy, Trade deficits, UN Security Council policy on Iran, Nuclear proliferation, rare earth element exports… yes maybe you’re right it makes a lot of sense for the US ambassador to China to RAIL against people that he reports to in the papers about how hypocritical the Chinese are about human rights when THE CHINESE DIDN’T BRING IT UP…

You call it a lack of character, I’d suggest it’s because of his character that he is able to put the cause ahead of his political future…

and you pretend I don’t get the issue…

did you read what Sarah Palin posted on her Facebook account?

I don’t fault Moe… cause I’m with him… I too would like to hear what he has to say… unfortunately we likely won’t… whether that kills his political future… I could care less… I think he pretty much did that once he endorsed McCain early on in the primaries of ’07-’08

What pisses me off is when good people like yourself are inclined to make things personal and not about the issues… I stand by my opinion… Sarah took a cheap shot… and everything else about this story is hullabaloo and par for the course from Obama’s administration.

I’d like to support Sarah more, but the more and more I hear from her… the more and more I feel like she’s all about her image and her position with “would be” opponents…

I don’t support “rock stars”… I support people who understand what’s at stake, and are willing to put principle above party and politics…

but hey… you know your position is secure with Redstate… the role of pretending everyone is wrong and you’re more right than anyone else… yeah.. that gig… that i’m sure is always and forever going to be yours.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

Blah, blah, blah. What a bunch of crap.

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, May 19th at 12:58AM EST (link)

OK, so Palin makes you feel inadequate. Got that. Huntsman is a highly effective rightwing mole in Obamaland. Got that. LOL.

I don’t have to pretend you’re wrong when you pretend you’re right.

BTW, it’s people who win elections, not issues. Look it up.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

Indeed

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, May 19th at 3:48AM EST (link)

Personally, I’d like to know to what extent Palin agreed with McCain on the campaign trail, and to what extent she has been influenced by the McCain team in her endorsements. But in like manner that Huntsman can’t state his opinion of the State Department’s flub, Palin is in no position to criticize McCain, whether she agrees with him or not. We should apply that same deference to Huntsman, IMO. But then, I’m also not a fan of Sarah or the “true conservative” circular firing squad.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 

Isn't it about time ...

sdeakins Wednesday, May 19th at 5:18AM EST (link)

… someone called out the “competition” or whatever you want to call it? Obamao has already made friends with the Chinese with all those Mao quoting appointees and czars in his regime.

Sam B Deakins

 
 

Huntsman

neoavatara (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 6:36PM EST (link)

Is going to get what he deserved. When you sign on with the Obama Administration, these are the type of stands you have to take. What else did he expect?

And of course, if Huntsman wants to have a future in the Republican Party, he should speak up. Let Obama fire him if he wishes. But you have to stand up to stupidity.

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Huntsman must go

mdd1956 Wednesday, May 19th at 9:50AM EST (link)

2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
— hypocrite adjective

T taxed
E enough
A already

It is bad enough they do it, but they are doing it with our money.

 
 

Huntsman, Jr.

utahtim Tuesday, May 18th at 7:58PM EST (link)

Look, Huntsman, Sr. is as good as Beck says he is, but he’s not in politics, so lay off. I’d like to say that Huntsman, Jr. is a young Bob Bennett with good hair, but he’s not as conservative. We Utah conservatives were glad to see him leave Utah. He was bad on energy, bad on school vouchers, bad on public lands, and bad on taxes. Good riddance, and may conservatives look him over long and hard before putting any hopes on him.

 

If you are talking to a man in a dirty suit

kylegh (Diary) Tuesday, May 18th at 9:04PM EST (link)

and you bring up how unclean your cuff is, how embarrassed you are that you didn’t iron your cuff, how you can’t believe that you would be caught dead in public with a cuff like that, does anyone think you really feel that way, or by bringing up your own faults first you bring up, without saying anything about it, the other man’s suit. While I don’t 100% agree with Arizona’s policy, it is nowhere near what China does, and by broaching the subject early we show them that we are able to discuss openly the controversial topics in our country. Even if they stay silent, everybody knows how they should have responded, and we want China to be able to talk about these things, so we start the conversation.

 

Just another way to look at it

mutantone Wednesday, May 19th at 7:08AM EST (link)

I personally believe in the old adage that He was following orders! He is just repeating the Administrations interpretation of the events it is how it is done. They do not speak with out permission or prior orders as to content and when to deliver the message, it is just how the ambassadors do their job. I think we have another scapegoat in the making here nothing more nothing less. Like the recent announced retirement of an administration figure of the Mineral Management Service we know that is where the blame will fall. Just as this civil servant will be made to kowtow for his transgression. We must look further than just the tip of the iceberg. NO Ambassador speaks freely with out a script already approved it is just how it is done.
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Huntzman

paulrph1 Wednesday, May 19th at 7:27AM EST (link)

the son of the Jon Huntzman whose billions have created the terrific cancer hospital? The same son of the man that Beck thinks is the greatest human on earth?

They are related but I am not sure that their political agendas are the same. I believe the former Governor of Utah would have an extremely hard time winning if he were to run in this state. You see he turned turncoat to the people of Utah after he was re-elected to a second term. He did not disclose his true feeling until after the election was over and then he let the bomb fly. I am talking about the homosexual situation. This infuriated many Utahans. He new if he stated his views before the election he would not get re-elected. Besides he sided with Obama which would also lead to his demise.
Huntzman senior was a truly great man which many noble characteristics. Sorry, I cannot say the same for the son.