You just might get it.

I wish I knew which ledge he was on. I would be tempted to do us all a favor.

to God’s ears, Moe.

I have this bad feeling that Pelosi has a few votes in her back pocket. I think this thing is going to pass.

The Senate is where the war will have to be fought, tooth and nail.

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=10387

I don’t care ab the elections.

Eveyone says the democrats will lose in the elections if this passes, it doesn’t matter they are going to lose either way. As far as liberals are concerned if they get the holy grail they don’t care if they sustain losses this decade, they’ll recover later on.

The fact is once this passes and I think next week it does it’s going to be really tough to undo. This is the beginning of a war and I don’t know who’s going to win. Subsequent Republican administrations are going to try to undo a lot of the govt intervention and add in free market solutions why future Democratic majorities are going to try to grow it.

What’s bad for Republicans is that the window for changing big parts of the bill is very small, bc the earliest we can get a Republican president in office in 2014, so we really need that and majorities in both houses. It’s not impossible but we’ll see.

I think it will be as tough to repeal this bill or big chunks of it as it was to pass it but I think health care ‘reform’ is going to be on top of every agenda for years to come.

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Willing to support this massive takeover. Also their leadership
put them in a horrible situation and has already publicly stabbed Stupak in the back. Why do they want to reward her?

Demon Pass aspect of the bill, I don’t believe it will have any significant electoral effect. Voters don’t care about process. I, a political junkie, didn’t even remember reconciliation had been used for the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

Are you saying Dems will get a drubbing because of the effects of the bill itself or because of procedural tactics? I’m pretty convinced 1994 was partly because Hillarycare failed, not in spite of it.

Demon Pass aspect of the bill, I don’t believe it will have any significant electoral effect. Voters don’t care about process. I, a political junkie, didn’t even remember reconciliation had been used for the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

Are you saying Dems will get a drubbing because of the effects of the bill itself or because of procedural tactics? I’m pretty convinced 1994 was partly because Hillarycare failed, not in spite of it.

I wonder if this is because she already has te votes and is letting the guys in trouble off the hook.

No, I don’t believe that we’ll see a trillion dollars of deficit reduction in the second decade of Obamacare.

But it really doesn’t matter anymore. This isn’t about fiscal reality, it’s about political cover.

Hate to say it: but I think the CBO report will be enough to get the abomination over the finish line.

…about how difficult this will be to undo if they pass it. This is America and we are Americans.

“Virginia last week became the first state in the country to pass a state bill declaring it illegal for the government to require individuals to purchase health insurance, a key part of bills under consideration on Capitol Hill.”

See here for a map that indicates the current state of similar bills in your state. Looks like Virginia will be flipping to the red color – passed. Hover over and click on the balloon to see the a more detailed update of the status of legislation in your state and call your state representative and governors office. Get the snowball rolling.

Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/yz3pxfc

According to Dan Perrin, many of the Dems still on the fence haven’t been made aware of this fact by the House leadership. The leadership is basically hanging them out to dry.

Remind the undecideds that “passing” this through the Slaughter rule is NO DIFFERENT than passing the Senate bill by itself. The only difference is that they will also be voting to pass a reconciliation bill to send to the Senate. If the Slaughter rule is passed, the Senate bill will be passed.

The reconciliation bill can get “stalled” in the Senate just like it would have before, the President can still sign the Senate bill and refuse to sign the reconciliation bill, and he may very well tell the Senate to move on to other legislation “for the good of the country”.

THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS – PASSING THE SLAUGHTER BILL CHANGES NOTHING!!!!!!

we have two “blue dogs” who will now be voting yes on healthcare because they have been bought off with a promised allocation of 25% water supply for the farmers. We are currently at 100%+ rainfall levels for the year!! These Dbags were going to vote for the bill anyway but they should have held out for at least 50%

this is the true end of the Cold War, the death rattle of an entire socio/eco/philosophic way of thinking disproven by use. We’re watching as their lies catch up with them faster and faster; it is only a matter of time before they reach the point they are no longer taken at all seriously be anyone. The States are already girding up to protect themselves; if the Press functioned at all, that alone would be enough to signal defeat.

The only question is how much damage will be done in the meantime.

If this is to be stopped it has to be stopped before it becomes law. Once it is in, it will be extremely difficult to reverse. No expansion of the social safety net has ever been repealed, in fact they tend to get rather popular. Notice how many Republicans are suddenly springing to the defense of Medicare, a program that Ronald Reagan decried as socialism when it was passed. To repeal this law will need 60 senators, a House majority and the President to sign it. No matter how bad the Dems lose this November there is no chance of repeal. Obama will be reelected in 2012 because by then the economy will be mending and the deficit declining. He is at his lowest point right now. Reagan looked like a one-termer 2 years in and Repubs got creamed in the mid-terms. He then romped to his reelection. The same is going to happen this time.

I figured this was coming. She knows she will lose to Cory Gardner in November, so she’s decided she might as well take the country down with her.