Working with them will only make a bad thing worse. You cannot work with these people half-way.

you are absolutely right that the entire opposition that has stopped, slowed, vexed, annoyed, and generally frustrated the ObamaCare timetable so far has been the Tea Partiers and the GOP.

The frustration you feel at the left getting so much play in the media lately, I completely understand.

Now, the left really does not have to do much, produce ten votes against in the House, that’s it, the existing NO votes and the Stupak group will do the rest.

I hope they will put some NO votes on the board.

If they don’t you are right — they may have readership, but they cannot execute, and they are setting a precedent that they can be rolled at will by their pals, the Dems.

Moe,

I’ll take Reagan’s admonition, “Trust but verify”.

Sure all the groups you name are not to be trusted, sure they are the scum of the earth, sure they are no-goodnicks…but….whoops…never mind (hitting myself with a fish or something)…What was I thinking!

One small problem with your last comment,
“PS: “But we need to stop this bill!” Yes, we do. We stop it by taking back Congress.” That’s one year off at best, and Obamacare will be the law of the land…maybe….by then. I’m not sure what a new R majority congress would be able to do by that point, please explain what they could do.

It’s not like the Nutroots is going to suddenly buck Obama on anything he wants. They do what they’re told, plain and simple. And when Obama tells them this is the best health care bill out there, they’ll fall into line.

I don’t think that the objection to conference is going to work. Even now, Snowe and Collins are likely in discussions with Dingy Harry to get what NE got. In other words, the price for them not causing trouble will be pork for Maine, which Reid will gladly oblige.

And finally, once this thing gets into committee, there will be no Stupak Amendments and there will be a public option.

I’m a bit confused by this post. Not that the meaning is not absolutely clear: progressives are dirt and not to be worked with in any way at any time, no matter what. The summary is a definitive “There’s no point in working with them.”

So is the “push back” and/or the conclusion statement, an indirect ref to Dan’s proposal (“Extraordinary Measures . . . “)? That is, Moe you’re recommending that Dan’s plan not be supported, correct? If so, that should be stated plainly.

Dan, your thoughts?

That is exactly right Moe. Yes, there are times we can use progressives anger to our advantage…but never, ever trust them to do what is right. Just look at Ben Nelson.

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The best way to understand the netroots is to that, for them, this is all just a big on-line game.

A month ago, the game was “Let’s Stop The Troop Increase!” Before that it was “We Want A Public Option!” Before that, “We Want Single Payor!” Or “Let’s Destroy Sarah Palin!” They don’t really care about Afghanistan, health care or the Constitution — they just need something to game about.

You can’t work with them, certainly not trust them, but maybe you can manipulate them. But forget about their ‘principles’ — hahahaha — remember for them it’s just something to do, something to get worked up about.