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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/11/gallup-r4-on-the-generic-congressional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-25296</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But moby arguments are easily refuted and should be refuted on sight.  Trolls on the other hand should be ignored for the most part, other than hitting the contact form for their prompt blamming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But moby arguments are easily refuted and should be refuted on sight.  Trolls on the other hand should be ignored for the most part, other than hitting the contact form for their prompt blamming.</p>
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		<title>By: mschmitt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/11/gallup-r4-on-the-generic-congressional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-25292</link>
		<dc:creator>mschmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why was dsrane here? Seems like he wanted to agitate between the so-cons and so-libs. The lefty strategy to disrupt the tea party momentum going into 2010 is going to center on agitating the libertarians out of the mix; so, I just think we&#039;d be wise not to do the moby&#039;s dirty work for him.

Not saying CodeRed did anything wrong, just that we&#039;re getting dangerously close to letting the moby dictate the terms of the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why was dsrane here? Seems like he wanted to agitate between the so-cons and so-libs. The lefty strategy to disrupt the tea party momentum going into 2010 is going to center on agitating the libertarians out of the mix; so, I just think we&#8217;d be wise not to do the moby&#8217;s dirty work for him.</p>
<p>Not saying CodeRed did anything wrong, just that we&#8217;re getting dangerously close to letting the moby dictate the terms of the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/11/gallup-r4-on-the-generic-congressional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-25288</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mschmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mschmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CodeRedinPA</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/11/gallup-r4-on-the-generic-congressional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-25286</link>
		<dc:creator>CodeRedinPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.....are usually mutually exclusive.

There is only one George Soros.

The same goes for Fiscal Liberal/Social Conservative.  For the grand majority of people in this country, if you&#039;re one, you&#039;re the other.  I haven&#039;t caught Steve Forbes at any hash parties lately

Fiscal Conservative is the winning tack in &#039;10  

Republicans need not change the stance on social issues to win with that.  If anything it a difference between us and Democratst and establishes party identity.

We need not focus on social issues, but it doesn&#039;t mean we need to turn into nihilists either.

As for Hoffman, Fox News wasn&#039;t responsible for him.   But they had to pay attention to him, and some commentators felt he was the better choice

The story got out of control when the Left pointed it out as a show of a divorce between Conservatives and the GOP.   

It was wishful thinking then and it is wishful thinking now.  

We&#039;re actually better off with Owens in that seat.  Dede was a prime candidate to switch parties the day after she took the oath.

Now stop peddling the stupid advice that we&#039;re somehow better Republicans being more like Democrats in any way shape or form!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..are usually mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>There is only one George Soros.</p>
<p>The same goes for Fiscal Liberal/Social Conservative.  For the grand majority of people in this country, if you&#8217;re one, you&#8217;re the other.  I haven&#8217;t caught Steve Forbes at any hash parties lately</p>
<p>Fiscal Conservative is the winning tack in &#8217;10  </p>
<p>Republicans need not change the stance on social issues to win with that.  If anything it a difference between us and Democratst and establishes party identity.</p>
<p>We need not focus on social issues, but it doesn&#8217;t mean we need to turn into nihilists either.</p>
<p>As for Hoffman, Fox News wasn&#8217;t responsible for him.   But they had to pay attention to him, and some commentators felt he was the better choice</p>
<p>The story got out of control when the Left pointed it out as a show of a divorce between Conservatives and the GOP.   </p>
<p>It was wishful thinking then and it is wishful thinking now.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re actually better off with Owens in that seat.  Dede was a prime candidate to switch parties the day after she took the oath.</p>
<p>Now stop peddling the stupid advice that we&#8217;re somehow better Republicans being more like Democrats in any way shape or form!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/11/gallup-r4-on-the-generic-congressional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-25283</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, what makes you think that a.) no socons are also fiscons  and b.) that leaving socons behind would in some way equate to winning more fiscons?

The two aren&#039;t mutually exclusive, unless you want them to be, which you clearly do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, what makes you think that a.) no socons are also fiscons  and b.) that leaving socons behind would in some way equate to winning more fiscons?</p>
<p>The two aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive, unless you want them to be, which you clearly do.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CodeRedinPA</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/11/gallup-r4-on-the-generic-congressional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-25281</link>
		<dc:creator>CodeRedinPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one counted on winning the California seat it was held by a D and went to a D

As for the Conservative Party,  Hoffman ran with no support from a major political party and still shot out into the lead over Dede with a week left to election day.   In fact there were polls that had him +4 over Owens with a day or so left

He&#039;d have won it clean if the DIABLO had bowed out sooner.  

As for the +20% Conservatives that vote Democrat or are Democrat....  You can&#039;t be that naive.  

Did it occur to you that many of them might just stay home??????  
....Or do not register to a major political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one counted on winning the California seat it was held by a D and went to a D</p>
<p>As for the Conservative Party,  Hoffman ran with no support from a major political party and still shot out into the lead over Dede with a week left to election day.   In fact there were polls that had him +4 over Owens with a day or so left</p>
<p>He&#8217;d have won it clean if the DIABLO had bowed out sooner.  </p>
<p>As for the +20% Conservatives that vote Democrat or are Democrat&#8230;.  You can&#8217;t be that naive.  </p>
<p>Did it occur to you that many of them might just stay home??????<br />
&#8230;.Or do not register to a major political party.</p>
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		<title>By: mschmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mschmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/11/gallup-r4-on-the-generic-congressional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-25279</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/11/gallup-r4-on-the-generic-congressional-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-25277</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be stuck with the Left&#039;s talking points.  Try to do a little
more reading.

http://www.redstate.com/brad_smith/2009/11/07/tuesdays-results-on-top-and-down-ballot-the-closer-you-look-the-worse-it-was-for-democrats

And if that is not enough, Google the info on Albuquerque&#039;s mayor
and city council election results for this past October.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be stuck with the Left&#8217;s talking points.  Try to do a little<br />
more reading.</p>
<p>http://www.redstate.com/brad_smith/2009/11/07/tuesdays-results-on-top-and-down-ballot-the-closer-you-look-the-worse-it-was-for-democrats</p>
<p>And if that is not enough, Google the info on Albuquerque&#8217;s mayor<br />
and city council election results for this past October.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, for one day around here, you sure are a loud mouth.  You&#039;re real loud mouth I question, since you have the inability to do your research and look down ballot in both of those states and for that matter other elections around the country.  To lose two special elections, is short-sighted and illustrates your lack of reasoning skills.  I can see you and I will not be getting into any arguments of substance.  BTW, the statehouses should be dealing with any health insurance laws not the Federal, and if you think that 0bama wasn&#039;t smacked by the vote in VA then you obviously have no idea what you&#039;re talking about.  Then again, just the facts, right?  BTW, you cite facts then you go into your analysis, are you still citing the facts? or have you engaged in spin?  I am just saying at what point did you begin to spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, for one day around here, you sure are a loud mouth.  You&#8217;re real loud mouth I question, since you have the inability to do your research and look down ballot in both of those states and for that matter other elections around the country.  To lose two special elections, is short-sighted and illustrates your lack of reasoning skills.  I can see you and I will not be getting into any arguments of substance.  BTW, the statehouses should be dealing with any health insurance laws not the Federal, and if you think that 0bama wasn&#8217;t smacked by the vote in VA then you obviously have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about.  Then again, just the facts, right?  BTW, you cite facts then you go into your analysis, are you still citing the facts? or have you engaged in spin?  I am just saying at what point did you begin to spin.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
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		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thing sitting on top of your appendage known as a liberal body meaning its lazy, ugly and smells...so the last time WE all voted it might be an R after their name but in the state of VA they were Conservative to the CORE!  come on down to VA and enjoy the smell of SMALL GOVERNMENT you lecherous disgusting piece of liberal sh**!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thing sitting on top of your appendage known as a liberal body meaning its lazy, ugly and smells&#8230;so the last time WE all voted it might be an R after their name but in the state of VA they were Conservative to the CORE!  come on down to VA and enjoy the smell of SMALL GOVERNMENT you lecherous disgusting piece of liberal sh**!</p>
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		<title>By: Streiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pointing out that two House seats were lost (even if they&#039;d been won it wouldn&#039;t have changed the HCR vote Saturday) while ignoring two state house losses (which control the upcoming Census 2010 reapportionment and one of which is in a democrat stronghold) has led me to factor in and consider the context of your value to the site and unfortunately it validates my growing discomfort with what you are saying and who you claim to be. In short your value resulted in a negative number overall relative to facts and spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pointing out that two House seats were lost (even if they&#8217;d been won it wouldn&#8217;t have changed the HCR vote Saturday) while ignoring two state house losses (which control the upcoming Census 2010 reapportionment and one of which is in a democrat stronghold) has led me to factor in and consider the context of your value to the site and unfortunately it validates my growing discomfort with what you are saying and who you claim to be. In short your value resulted in a negative number overall relative to facts and spin.</p>
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		<title>By: dsrane</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsrane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding #2 I was perhaps too simplistic.  Indeed some combination of media support and party support is required in national politics so no one group ends has all of the decision.  You say &quot;Career Republicans” advanced Dede Scozzafava in NY23&quot; ...... Fox News heavily promoted the guy who lost who did not even live in the district.  

Regarding #3  NY23 makes my point.  If the GOP wants to win back the house, senate and white house they need to win in districts that have a mix of social conservatives and fiscal conservatives that don&#039;t vote on social issues.  Social and Fiscal conservative can be mutually  exclusive.  Many fiscal conservatives dont care about the social issues they vote on their pocket book and  common sense alone and we cannot leave them behind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding #2 I was perhaps too simplistic.  Indeed some combination of media support and party support is required in national politics so no one group ends has all of the decision.  You say &#8220;Career Republicans” advanced Dede Scozzafava in NY23&#8243; &#8230;&#8230; Fox News heavily promoted the guy who lost who did not even live in the district.  </p>
<p>Regarding #3  NY23 makes my point.  If the GOP wants to win back the house, senate and white house they need to win in districts that have a mix of social conservatives and fiscal conservatives that don&#8217;t vote on social issues.  Social and Fiscal conservative can be mutually  exclusive.  Many fiscal conservatives dont care about the social issues they vote on their pocket book and  common sense alone and we cannot leave them behind</p>
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		<title>By: mschmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mschmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... but just for fun:

1. Do you predict Republican losses or gains in 2010?

2. What percentage of the &quot;current economic situation&quot; does Obama bear responsibility for?

3. Does Israel have a right to exist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; but just for fun:</p>
<p>1. Do you predict Republican losses or gains in 2010?</p>
<p>2. What percentage of the &#8220;current economic situation&#8221; does Obama bear responsibility for?</p>
<p>3. Does Israel have a right to exist?</p>
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		<title>By: dsrane</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsrane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pointing out that 2 congressional seats were lost is not Dem spin it is fact.  It really happened.  It should be factored in and considered within the context of other GOP wins and recent polls that suggest a growing discomfort with the current economic situation and the direction of the country overall relative to the bail out and deficits</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointing out that 2 congressional seats were lost is not Dem spin it is fact.  It really happened.  It should be factored in and considered within the context of other GOP wins and recent polls that suggest a growing discomfort with the current economic situation and the direction of the country overall relative to the bail out and deficits</p>
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		<title>By: CodeRedinPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CodeRedinPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Amen!

2)  The problem here is that there isn&#039;t one.  

.....And suggesting &quot;career Republicans&quot; be the arbiter of who that should be is just a non-starter. &quot; Career Republicans&quot; advanced Dede Scozzafava in NY23.  

If any real candidates surface , selecting who should be the national leader is way too important a job to leave to &quot;Career Republicans&quot;

3)  Advice we can do without.  The demographics in the country haven&#039;t changed....unless we&#039;re all now surrounded by gay people who want to marry their abortionist life partners.

Last year&#039;s election just makes it look like it did.  Lots of young people got interested.  9/10ths of them did so because the &quot;Hope/Change&quot; buttons were Hippie/Dippie hella-cool looking.  The other 1/10th thought it&#039;d be neat to have a black President

Do Democrats focus that they&#039;re easy on criminals and soft on terror?  No!  They still get elected.    And that&#039;s because Dems know how to always change the subject from that.

We can still have ideological standards and get elected.  Bob McDonnell didn&#039;t compromise.  He just didn&#039;t focus on those issues.  He changed the subject and it worked

....despite all the demographers telling us that Virginia was somehow suffocating itself blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Amen!</p>
<p>2)  The problem here is that there isn&#8217;t one.  </p>
<p>&#8230;..And suggesting &#8220;career Republicans&#8221; be the arbiter of who that should be is just a non-starter. &#8221; Career Republicans&#8221; advanced Dede Scozzafava in NY23.  </p>
<p>If any real candidates surface , selecting who should be the national leader is way too important a job to leave to &#8220;Career Republicans&#8221;</p>
<p>3)  Advice we can do without.  The demographics in the country haven&#8217;t changed&#8230;.unless we&#8217;re all now surrounded by gay people who want to marry their abortionist life partners.</p>
<p>Last year&#8217;s election just makes it look like it did.  Lots of young people got interested.  9/10ths of them did so because the &#8220;Hope/Change&#8221; buttons were Hippie/Dippie hella-cool looking.  The other 1/10th thought it&#8217;d be neat to have a black President</p>
<p>Do Democrats focus that they&#8217;re easy on criminals and soft on terror?  No!  They still get elected.    And that&#8217;s because Dems know how to always change the subject from that.</p>
<p>We can still have ideological standards and get elected.  Bob McDonnell didn&#8217;t compromise.  He just didn&#8217;t focus on those issues.  He changed the subject and it worked</p>
<p>&#8230;.despite all the demographers telling us that Virginia was somehow suffocating itself blue.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mushy piles it leaves on the rug is another subject though...</description>
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