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	<title>Comments on: Chamber of Commerce sues &#8216;Yes Men&#8217; for commercial identity theft.</title>
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		<title>By: BlueLandRed</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueLandRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>friends of friends so to speak.

And while the EFF stays focused pretty much its core mission, it&#039;s packed with some of the most crazy socialists San Francisco has to offer. They make Obama look like a centrist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>friends of friends so to speak.</p>
<p>And while the EFF stays focused pretty much its core mission, it&#8217;s packed with some of the most crazy socialists San Francisco has to offer. They make Obama look like a centrist.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and ready to look at here http://wp.me/pzyMi-4c . I don&#039;t think will stay up that much longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and ready to look at here http://wp.me/pzyMi-4c . I don&#8217;t think will stay up that much longer.</p>
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		<title>By: seandparnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>seandparnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m saying I needed you to tell me that I need to hit CTRL-PrtSc. ;-&gt;

Remind me to tell you sometime how I managed to avoid the computer literacy requirement in high school.

Sean Parnell
President
Center for Competitive Politics
http://www.campaignfreedom.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m saying I needed you to tell me that I need to hit CTRL-PrtSc. ;-&gt;</p>
<p>Remind me to tell you sometime how I managed to avoid the computer literacy requirement in high school.</p>
<p>Sean Parnell<br />
President<br />
Center for Competitive Politics<br />
http://www.campaignfreedom.org</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/10/27/chamber-of-commerce-sues-yes-men-for-commercial-identity-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-24260</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now I need to upload it and show it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now I need to upload it and show it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/10/27/chamber-of-commerce-sues-yes-men-for-commercial-identity-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-24259</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but I have uploaded it yet. I&#039;ll try to do it sometime today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I have uploaded it yet. I&#8217;ll try to do it sometime today.</p>
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		<title>By: Streiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you only have one finger? It only takes two to hit CTRL-PrtSc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you only have one finger? It only takes two to hit CTRL-PrtSc</p>
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		<title>By: seandparnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>seandparnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife, she&#039;s a web designer and can do that sort of thing. Me, it&#039;s a miracle I ever figured out that &quot;any key&quot; thing. ;-&gt;

Sean Parnell
President
Center for Competitive Politics
http://www.campaignfreedom.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife, she&#8217;s a web designer and can do that sort of thing. Me, it&#8217;s a miracle I ever figured out that &#8220;any key&#8221; thing. ;-&gt;</p>
<p>Sean Parnell<br />
President<br />
Center for Competitive Politics<br />
http://www.campaignfreedom.org</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...before they take these links down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;before they take these links down.</p>
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		<title>By: seandparnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>seandparnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looked at the site. I tend to be a pretty big First Amendment guy in terms of political speech, much to the dismay of far too many here at RedState. This spoof is probably over the line, however. 

But beyond appropriating the Chamber&#039;s name, I think they may have really screwed up, badly. Go to the site again: http://www.chamber-of-commerce.us/090118tjd_prosperity.html

Scroll down and look in the lower left-hand navigation section. What do you see there?

That&#039;s right, &quot;sponsored links&quot; from Avis, Monster, FedEx, Sam&#039;s Club, and Budget (the car rental company). Umm, I&#039;m pretty sure that those five corporations are NOT sponsoring this bit of satire.

Those five have had their business logos, names, and reputations hijacked as part of this satire, with the use of their logos indicating support for the site. I&#039;m no lawyer, but I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s actionable as well, by corporations that have a huge vested interest in protecting their brand names. They also have legal departments filled with folks who only keep their jobs as long as there&#039;s legal work to do...

Sean Parnell
President
Center for Competitive Politics
http://www.campaignfreedom.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looked at the site. I tend to be a pretty big First Amendment guy in terms of political speech, much to the dismay of far too many here at RedState. This spoof is probably over the line, however. </p>
<p>But beyond appropriating the Chamber&#8217;s name, I think they may have really screwed up, badly. Go to the site again: http://www.chamber-of-commerce.us/090118tjd_prosperity.html</p>
<p>Scroll down and look in the lower left-hand navigation section. What do you see there?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, &#8220;sponsored links&#8221; from Avis, Monster, FedEx, Sam&#8217;s Club, and Budget (the car rental company). Umm, I&#8217;m pretty sure that those five corporations are NOT sponsoring this bit of satire.</p>
<p>Those five have had their business logos, names, and reputations hijacked as part of this satire, with the use of their logos indicating support for the site. I&#8217;m no lawyer, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s actionable as well, by corporations that have a huge vested interest in protecting their brand names. They also have legal departments filled with folks who only keep their jobs as long as there&#8217;s legal work to do&#8230;</p>
<p>Sean Parnell<br />
President<br />
Center for Competitive Politics<br />
http://www.campaignfreedom.org</p>
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		<title>By: WarEagle01</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarEagle01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean if these are the rules the Left is playing by, why not use these same rules against them (didn&#039;t Alinsky have something to say about that?)?  I think we need to consider the possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean if these are the rules the Left is playing by, why not use these same rules against them (didn&#8217;t Alinsky have something to say about that?)?  I think we need to consider the possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess this confirms that I was right never to get cozy with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this confirms that I was right never to get cozy with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have to defend it or lose right to it.

Parody is no defense in a trademark fight (when you&#039;ve used the actual mark).

But IANATL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have to defend it or lose right to it.</p>
<p>Parody is no defense in a trademark fight (when you&#8217;ve used the actual mark).</p>
<p>But IANATL.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and not the website, I don&#039;t think the greater specificity of the cyber sections are required.

I am also not a lawyer, but have been part of a board of directors that found it necessary to press for trademark infringement. During the process we discovered that the public perception of the requirement of profit making on the part of the defendant is wrong. The defendant is not required to profit from his activities, he only has to damage your potential to do so. This should be an open and shut case for the CoC, the problem of course is the activist judges who will try to bend the law to their desired outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and not the website, I don&#8217;t think the greater specificity of the cyber sections are required.</p>
<p>I am also not a lawyer, but have been part of a board of directors that found it necessary to press for trademark infringement. During the process we discovered that the public perception of the requirement of profit making on the part of the defendant is wrong. The defendant is not required to profit from his activities, he only has to damage your potential to do so. This should be an open and shut case for the CoC, the problem of course is the activist judges who will try to bend the law to their desired outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Walden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Walden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I think the website as currently published is out-of-bounds even without the movie.  It makes no attempt to identify itself as a parody; I would have expected any legitimate parody to identify itself as such, perhaps in the page footer, also via at least some of the front-page links as well.  The only way I can see for this site to be recognized as such is 1) to have read a report of it, as here, or 2) to recognize that links direct to two different hostnames and to track down the registrations to see that two different entities maintain them.  Absent clear identifying evidence of authorship, this is not a parody.

Beyond that, is this site really even attempting to act as a parody?  The clear intent behind the site is to deceive, not to respond via ridicule.  Legally this is a case of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#c&quot;&gt;dilution&lt;/a&gt;, both by blurring (&quot;What&#039;s the Chamber&#039;s &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; position?&quot;) and by tarnishment (in the eye of the Chamber of Commerce, at least).  The impostors seem to be on the wrong side to some extent of every one of the considerations listed in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#c_2_B&quot;&gt;15 U.S.C. § 1125(c)(2)(B)&lt;/a&gt;.  To be sure, I&#039;m not a lawyer, nor do I have anything other than a single semester in a law class and some self-education; it&#039;s possible &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#c&quot;&gt;15 U.S.C. § 1125(c)&lt;/a&gt; is preempted by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#d&quot;&gt;15 U.S.C. § 1125(d)&lt;/a&gt; given the latter&#039;s greater specificity due to some rule of interpretation with which I&#039;m not familiar.  In absence of my knowing of any such rule, I assume explicit wording is required to find one section preempts another.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#d&quot;&gt;15 U.S.C. § 1125(d)&lt;/a&gt; requires &quot;bad faith intent to profit from that mark&quot;, which &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; arguably not exist here since the impostor site seems to have no links which might produce profits for them -- but this parallel movie seems to demonstrate a clear intent to profit.  In any case, &lt;a href=&quot;http://ilt.eff.org/index.php/Trademark:_Domain_Names#Consumer_Criticism&quot;&gt;one analysis&lt;/a&gt; of domain name/trademark dispute jurisprudence suggests, &quot;Generally, use of a trademark to criticize is permitted, so long as there is no likelihood of confusion. Use of the trademark in the domain name, however, can create initial interest confusion and amount to blurring or tarnishing the mark.&quot;  There&#039;s an awful lot of likelihood of confusion here; again, I&#039;m not trained in law, but in my untrained opinion I&#039;d even say this seems like a case for summary judgment.

Beyond the legal consequences for trademark dilution and such, and back in the realm of private actions, this looks to me like a simple case where the ICANN dispute process will result in the &quot;parody&quot; authors losing their ownership of the domain name.

(Where did I find all this information, not being a lawyer or trained in law, you might ask?  Amusingly, I found all this information via the EFF&#039;s own &lt;a href=&quot;http://ilt.eff.org/index.php/Trademark:_Domain_Names&quot;&gt;Trademark: Domain Names&lt;/a&gt; wiki page, coupled with a little US code perusal on the excellent Legal Information Institute&#039;s US Code collection.  :-)  The EFF does good stuff fairly regularly [although they sometimes go further than I think they should], but I&#039;m having difficulty being charitable here by recognizing their arguments as even being made in good faith -- although I wish I saw their motive, aside from the [charitably] tenuous one of being a group whose leadership/membership already tended liberal and thus presumably toward climate-change advocacy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I think the website as currently published is out-of-bounds even without the movie.  It makes no attempt to identify itself as a parody; I would have expected any legitimate parody to identify itself as such, perhaps in the page footer, also via at least some of the front-page links as well.  The only way I can see for this site to be recognized as such is 1) to have read a report of it, as here, or 2) to recognize that links direct to two different hostnames and to track down the registrations to see that two different entities maintain them.  Absent clear identifying evidence of authorship, this is not a parody.</p>
<p>Beyond that, is this site really even attempting to act as a parody?  The clear intent behind the site is to deceive, not to respond via ridicule.  Legally this is a case of <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#c">dilution</a>, both by blurring (&#8220;What&#8217;s the Chamber&#8217;s <em>real</em> position?&#8221;) and by tarnishment (in the eye of the Chamber of Commerce, at least).  The impostors seem to be on the wrong side to some extent of every one of the considerations listed in <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#c_2_B">15 U.S.C. § 1125(c)(2)(B)</a>.  To be sure, I&#8217;m not a lawyer, nor do I have anything other than a single semester in a law class and some self-education; it&#8217;s possible <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#c">15 U.S.C. § 1125(c)</a> is preempted by <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#d">15 U.S.C. § 1125(d)</a> given the latter&#8217;s greater specificity due to some rule of interpretation with which I&#8217;m not familiar.  In absence of my knowing of any such rule, I assume explicit wording is required to find one section preempts another.  <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/usc_sec_15_00001125----000-.html#d">15 U.S.C. § 1125(d)</a> requires &#8220;bad faith intent to profit from that mark&#8221;, which <em>might</em> arguably not exist here since the impostor site seems to have no links which might produce profits for them &#8212; but this parallel movie seems to demonstrate a clear intent to profit.  In any case, <a href="http://ilt.eff.org/index.php/Trademark:_Domain_Names#Consumer_Criticism">one analysis</a> of domain name/trademark dispute jurisprudence suggests, &#8220;Generally, use of a trademark to criticize is permitted, so long as there is no likelihood of confusion. Use of the trademark in the domain name, however, can create initial interest confusion and amount to blurring or tarnishing the mark.&#8221;  There&#8217;s an awful lot of likelihood of confusion here; again, I&#8217;m not trained in law, but in my untrained opinion I&#8217;d even say this seems like a case for summary judgment.</p>
<p>Beyond the legal consequences for trademark dilution and such, and back in the realm of private actions, this looks to me like a simple case where the ICANN dispute process will result in the &#8220;parody&#8221; authors losing their ownership of the domain name.</p>
<p>(Where did I find all this information, not being a lawyer or trained in law, you might ask?  Amusingly, I found all this information via the EFF&#8217;s own <a href="http://ilt.eff.org/index.php/Trademark:_Domain_Names">Trademark: Domain Names</a> wiki page, coupled with a little US code perusal on the excellent Legal Information Institute&#8217;s US Code collection.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   The EFF does good stuff fairly regularly [although they sometimes go further than I think they should], but I&#8217;m having difficulty being charitable here by recognizing their arguments as even being made in good faith &#8212; although I wish I saw their motive, aside from the [charitably] tenuous one of being a group whose leadership/membership already tended liberal and thus presumably toward climate-change advocacy.)</p>
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