what makes you think his plan is gonna be any different ?

don’t bite at any hook he drops into the pond.

We don’t have the money to pay for anything. Nothing should be passed. It should wait until the budget is balanced.

Let’s not miss what the point of this whole thing is. If the left were so concerned about people doing without, they would give some of their own money to charity.

This is about bringing a sizeable chunk (15%? 20%?) of the economy and the entire population’s medical service (don’t vote the right way? your cat scan will take longer) under one party’s control.

There may not be a “public option” per se, but there will be some way to force everyone onto government paid heath insurance. There are too many union jobs and campaign contributions riding on it.

-Bri

he keep going for too long and now there isn’t enough time to make it work for his way. That’s what happens when you get the Three stooges in the White house(Obama,Ax and Gibbs).

…capitulation by Obama and the Democrats and nothing less.

Obama has so thoroughly mucked up the health care fight and so completely debased whatever credibility he might have had that he doesn’t deserve any Republican support.

The Republicans should present him with a list of demands and require he accept them in toto – or get no GOP support in either house. They’ve made all the noises about shutting Republicans out of the debate; so let them choke on it.

I wonder if this bunch has figured out that the public’s grown more than alittle leery of these massive bills passed before the ink is dry?

The federal government does NOT have the Constitutional authority to establish a national health care plan or otherwise be involved in the delivery of health care. While it is a useful exercise to take the current Democrat bills apart in order to expose the socialism of the Left, the argument ought to be moot simply because the federal government lacks the Constitutional authority to pass a bill that does anything other than reduce the federal government’s role in health care.

The GOP ought to be out making the Constitutional argument and publicly challenging the Democrats to cite the Constitutional source for their collectivist plans.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A5EPIG2&show_article=1

I don’t believe anything that this “administration” says. Nor do most Americans, now. Let’s keep the heat on and “Kill [this] Bill.”

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

From his health secretary (or “czar”… whatever) a few weeks ago. Only to be retracted a few days later.

I’ll believe it when I hear it from the horse’s mouth.

This public option thing reminds me SO much of this:

Obama will most likly slide it in at the last moment. Obama cannot be taken at his word. He will say anything to get his way, lying whatever he needs to do to get what he want. One nice thing about all of this is Americans are starting to wake up. They understand that hope and change was just more lies from Obama. And what the hell is with all the COMMIE PINKOS working as Czars?
Or should i call them COMMIE GREENOS? What ever! 2010 is closer than they the DEMS think, Investigate the CIA now because when the DEMS no longer control congress I think there will be some investigations into the COMMIES!

this has been floated, I have to believe this is more than a rumor at this point. If it is, he’ll blow a lot what little credibility he has left at this point by waffling back and forth on such a big issue. In any event, the news prompted this analysis that it might be a shrewd move personally, but it leaves the Congressional Democrats with no clear direction in which to move.

n/t

“A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
” The Declaration of Independence

“He (THE KING) has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.” The Declaration of Independence

“He (THE KING) For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments” The Declaration of Independence

“He (THE KING) has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation” The Declaration of Independence

The Constitution of the United States: AMENDMENT XIII :
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

President “Guarantees” Health Reform – Still Open To GOP

Yes, the Debtocrats included the Republicans (turn up the volume on this one):

H.R. 3200 is the Debtocrat’s bill. They own it. It’s theirs.

Republicans had no input. Period.

The own it. It failed.

Now it’s time for us to make them own it.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

nt

In terms of popular culture, autumn is the time of “Kill Bill”!

I will believe it when I see Obama propose a bill that does not simply contain a public option by another name, or some other back-door trick to usher in single-payor system.

Axelrod, you and your Pet Shop Boys won’t make hit out of “Government Healthcare: the remix”, either.

Which Alinsky Rule is this now? As his failures mount, I’m losing track. Actually, I think Alinsky’s rules are interchangable, with one underlying theme, deception. Yea, thats the ticket. More deception but with everyone watching now. I love the smell of burning liberal souls in the autumn.

I think with Obama calling the White cop stupid a month or two ago, that it jarred those people who were under the illusion that he wasn’t an Al Sharpton wanna be.

I think that triggered something in everyone’s brain and the “trust” in him just completely eroded… then combine that with the utterly disrespectful way the Democrats insulted the Townhallers… the Democrats and Obama have completely blown their cover.

I dont think there is anything they could say or do that is going to enable them to recover from this. The only people vulnerable to be misled again are the idiot Republicans in Congress

It’s just that it only applies to a certain socio-economic % of our population. It’s perfect for the dem’s in that it’s free, and it’s income based. That means conservatives can’t participate because we have “surplus” income.

Look it, healthcare is broken. Last year we finally paid off the portion of our medical bills that weren’t covered by insurance from 5 years prior. It only takes one bad year and bam!!

Take this past year. Finally out of hospital/doctor debt and one bad year put us even worse off than we were the first time. I’m beginning to believe I’ll pay doctors and hospital bills until I die.

If real change is to take place, it will have to be on multi fronts in health care:

1. Set a standard for what a procedure costs, regardless of insurance. Example, if you call today for an MRI or specialist care and ask them for the cost of the procedure, they will ask, “do you have insurance?”. There are different prices for each, cash or insurance. And it varies from facility to facility.
2. Get rid of bad doctors. If a drunk driver is repeatedly offending, he/she loses their liscense. Why, because the liability is to great and the state could be sued for not keeping this person out of a car. What makes doctors any different? Should they all be made to pay high premiums for those that continually botch things? No different than my insurance rates going up because people choose to live in a huricane prone area. (That’s a whole nother story).
3. Here’s a novel idea, pay them like they’re paid in India. They (according to my Indian friends) are paid the same as other professionals, so comparatively they make a descent living, but they don’t look like Donald trumps.(Not all doctors are this way, making a point here).
4. If you don’t like that idea, how about this one: The NDL, the National Doctors League. Let each state build their own “team” with salary caps and the whole nine yards. Then, people will go to the states A. where they can afford healthcare, or B. where the best doctors are, or C. somewhere in the middle.

TMD

He got hammered at his latest town hall. He was asked for a pledge that congress would have the same plan as the rest of us.

He replied, “They would have the same choices.” applause.

What?

You mean the choice to keep the federal cadillac healthcare that isn’t available for everyone.

Wake up people.

Trying to find the video for that.