Clearly in reference to Jim Cramer’s I’ve-been-saving-this-for-months revenge clip* of a few days ago, the Gallup organization would like you to know that there’s no historical relationship between a President’s approval rating and the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
Mind you, that wasn’t the argument that got made – Cramer was arguing that this specific President’s disapproval ratings (via Gallup!) were being reflected in the S&P 500 going up – but nonetheless, Gallup felt the need to do that analysis.
Well. Thanks for letting us know.
Moe Lane
PS: Yes, I see the large holes in Cramer’s theory. So does Cramer, probably. It’s still funny that Gallup felt the need to do some repair work here. Clumsily.
*Worth revisiting:
PPS: I also look forward to the people ready to tell me earnestly that this Gallup analysis really had nothing to do with Cramer’s video. No, really: it’s a lovely Saturday afternoon in which to have a laugh.
Crossposted to Moe Lane.
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I'd plot the S&P versus the likelihood of ZeroCare passage on Intrade
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Saturday, August 29th at 3:14PM EST (link)Hmmn… Wonder what the relationship would be??
'ZeroCare', is such an appropriate term. .nt
Britcom (Diary) Saturday, August 29th at 6:02PM EST (link)“The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, it is conformity.” – Rollo May
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Flagstaff (Diary) Sunday, August 30th at 6:11PM EST (link)ZerOcare?
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Not related to DOW - directly related to unemployment rat
roylofquist Saturday, August 29th at 7:09PM EST (link)Don’t have it immediately at hand but saw post not too long ago that showed that post WWII presidential popularity tracked with unemployment rate to an amazing degree.
Gallup is being dishonest
alanh (Diary) Saturday, August 29th at 11:52PM EST (link)Actually, a correct measure of the relationship between Obama and the market should be the day Obama was elected. On November 3, 2008, DOW hovered somewhere near 9,600. Since Obama’s election the next day the market has not been able to recover that height.
Just look at the headlines in Gallup page: “Amid Debate, Obama Approval Rating on Healthcare Steady,” “Presidential Approval and the Dow: No Clear Relationship,” “Presidential Approval Usually Falls Below 50%; Timing Varies.” Clearly, the folks at Gallup are trying to find ways to justify why Obama’s ratings are sinking.
The market is a very good measure of the confidence in the president. Most investors believe that Obama and those around him are radical Marxists. So, they figure the worse this guy does with the public, the better their chances that he wil finally leave them alone. Of course, Obama won’t. But the elections are coming.
Right on!
illinois (Diary) Sunday, August 30th at 2:43AM EST (link)Well said! Gallup is in denial. Those libs can’t admit the obvious!
For reasons too arcane to go into,
Flagstaff (Diary) Sunday, August 30th at 6:38PM EST (link)the vertical axis on the Gallup graphs may not be the best one.
It doesn’t matter, anyway. Many of us had observed long ago that the market started to turn up as soon as ZerO’s popularity started to wane. There is no way to prove it, but we thought it could be because of the very reasons Cramer posited–as ZerO’s ability to completely destroy the free market became more and more in doubt, fear was reduced and confidence restored.
That’s why the other Presidential graphs are irrelevant, other than Reagan’s. None of them were actively interested in interfering in the markets, so there was little correlation of any kind. In Reagan’s case, a lot of things happened at once. He, like ZerO, came into office as a popular figure. Things didn’t improve immediately, and his popularity faltered. But, as his initiatives were implemented and started to work as advertised, both popularity and market success reinforced each other.
A big difference between Reagan and ZerO is that Reagan’s avowed intentions were welcomed by most people, and we believed they would make things better. ZerO’s intentions may have initially been welcomed by a majority, but once they were explained and a price tag was attached, they were very frightening to entrepreneurs and market investors and taxpayers, too.
Also, Reagan’s words were simple and straightforward. He was clear in his intentions, and that he was in charge. ZerO, OTOH, is vague and wordy. It’s never clear just what he means, because he contradicts himself daily. Such a person is hard to trust. What comes through is a shifty, sneaky, manipulator of words, one who isn’t even as good at it as Bill Clinton was.
There are a great many of us now who “want Obama to fail,” in order that we and our children and grandchildren may have a chance to succeed.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964