Moe also has it right.

I am surprised however, that BO doesn’t want a second term. If Obamacare passes, he has a high risk of no 2nd term. If Obamacare does not pass, he has a moderate (pun not applicable) chance of no 2nd term.

What’s also important to consider, is that Obama may want to pass this for the simple fact that the effects of this garbage legislation won’t take effect for several years (too late for the ‘misinformed’ public to realize they’ve been had), in the hopes he’ll score another term. Obama is an egomaniac, that’s the nature of the beast. How could he not care about his legacy? This legislation is garbage. When 160+ million people are worse off in a few years, his legacy will simply be described in one sentence in the history books, ‘Most Historians consider him the worst president ever’.

I also don’t understand how these blue dogs and some democrats can along with this. Are they so enamored, that reason fails them? Remember, the majority by a good size margin already DO NOT WANT Obamacare…and the suffering from it hasn’t even started.

I do think that this is partially a bluff to get the right to be framed as the party of ‘no’-it won’t work in this case because the headlines have already framed this as a Democrats choice. I think they bluffed and fell into an unintended place they really didn’t want to be, which may spur them forward to disasterous consequences.

One way to get the Democrats and the administration to back off this obvious junk, is as Moe typed, make them OWN it. Because they DO. We shout it out NOW, we shout it out (heaven forbid) after it passes; we shout it for as long and as loud as we can….years and years from the rooftops to cubicles-make the Democrats OWN this legislative carnage thrust upon the American people.

Whats interesting now is that the Dems and Obama are signaling that they might go all in on this. Risky move, but if they are successful in switching the debate to a moral one, they could get it passed and not lose too much popular support.

There definitely will be a heavy political price for Democrats, and if some form of public option passes, 2010 will look like 1994, but I have a bad feeling we’re going to be stuck with this for a long time, even when the Democrats have lost power.

Look at programs like Medicaid. It’s essentially “universal health care-lite”, and we’ve had it for over 40 years and it just keeps getting bigger.

When was the last time you heard an elected Republicans politician say we should defund Medicaid? What makes everyone think they would instantly reverse this form of public health care?

Government programs are harder to kill than people realize. Even if 2010 is a landslide in Republicans favor, we still won’t have a majority in the Senate, or have the White House.

I would greatly prefer Republicans not doing quite as well in 2010 with no healthcare bill than Republicans winning a landslide but the country saddled with socialized medicine.

Seriously, grab some popcorn and watch it on youtube LOL

As to the “Own it!” comments, it’s the only Conservative defense right now, as the Dems have the Presidency, 60 votes in the Senate, and well over 50% in the House. The two things we conservatives have going for us are the existence of future elections and a voting public strongly opposed to HR 3200.

How? You simply cut off its funding in budgeting. Budgeting is all simple majority voting, even in the Senate.

The Dems can start a program. But a GOP Congress can simply fail to fund it, without even repealing, and it’s as good as dead.

So, if worse comes to worse, there is an easy ‘out’.

I agree: it seems great at first glance. But remember the public has a short attention span, and keeping them outraged for something that will not take effect completely for several years needs finesse and no tolerance for compromise.

It can be done: but calm perseverance will be the main virtue!