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		<title>By: Flint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d add a Rule #6

Don&#039;t tell the people that you&#039;re their to listen to them - and then stop them  from talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d add a Rule #6</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t tell the people that you&#8217;re their to listen to them &#8211; and then stop them  from talking.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marshmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>marshmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see my grandparents being any one of those people in the crowd, and seeing as how they&#039;re in their 80&#039;s and my grandfather was a preacher, I don&#039;t have to tell you they&#039;re far from &quot;radical&quot;.

The moderator was, for one thing, not very confident.  She didn&#039;t look like or sound like she believed what she was saying and judging by the way she jumped all over them when they dared utter any sound, she obviously expected to have some resistance and had already made the decision to leave if things didn&#039;t go her way.

There was nothing wrong with the way they answered her.  She made the disingenuous claim that &quot;we can all agree...&quot; and they collectively disagreed with her.  That&#039;s not rude or unruly--that&#039;s typical.

Anyway, I&#039;m glad that the one guy realized that this wasn&#039;t an issue about &quot;health care&quot; but about individual liberty and freedom and that it didn&#039;t just start with Obama.  He was absolutely right on with everything he said and I applaud them for holding their own meeting after being abandoned by AARP.  THAT is exactly what America is all about; Americans organizing together for a common purpose--to defend our liberty and freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see my grandparents being any one of those people in the crowd, and seeing as how they&#8217;re in their 80&#8242;s and my grandfather was a preacher, I don&#8217;t have to tell you they&#8217;re far from &#8220;radical&#8221;.</p>
<p>The moderator was, for one thing, not very confident.  She didn&#8217;t look like or sound like she believed what she was saying and judging by the way she jumped all over them when they dared utter any sound, she obviously expected to have some resistance and had already made the decision to leave if things didn&#8217;t go her way.</p>
<p>There was nothing wrong with the way they answered her.  She made the disingenuous claim that &#8220;we can all agree&#8230;&#8221; and they collectively disagreed with her.  That&#8217;s not rude or unruly&#8211;that&#8217;s typical.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m glad that the one guy realized that this wasn&#8217;t an issue about &#8220;health care&#8221; but about individual liberty and freedom and that it didn&#8217;t just start with Obama.  He was absolutely right on with everything he said and I applaud them for holding their own meeting after being abandoned by AARP.  THAT is exactly what America is all about; Americans organizing together for a common purpose&#8211;to defend our liberty and freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Ausonius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ausonius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because you would have to postulate a completely veto-immune Republican Congress after 2010.

Plus, how many RINO&#039;s might succumb to D.C.itis and suddenly want to keep a compromised version of Marxist Medicine?

Things may seem to be trending against him and the Dems now, but we have over a year to go, and we must take over a good number of seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because you would have to postulate a completely veto-immune Republican Congress after 2010.</p>
<p>Plus, how many RINO&#8217;s might succumb to D.C.itis and suddenly want to keep a compromised version of Marxist Medicine?</p>
<p>Things may seem to be trending against him and the Dems now, but we have over a year to go, and we must take over a good number of seats.</p>
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		<title>By: farstar99</title>
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		<dc:creator>farstar99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;ll be an entitlement.
You can&#039;t ever get rid of an entitlement, a government agency or Helen Thomas.

Well,, maybe Helen Thomas, if she&#039;s near a flight of stairs.

I love this AARP meeting.

&quot;Gentlemen, you can&#039;t talk in here! This is a listening session!&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be an entitlement.<br />
You can&#8217;t ever get rid of an entitlement, a government agency or Helen Thomas.</p>
<p>Well,, maybe Helen Thomas, if she&#8217;s near a flight of stairs.</p>
<p>I love this AARP meeting.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gentlemen, you can&#8217;t talk in here! This is a listening session!&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: scottbomb</title>
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		<dc:creator>scottbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-nt-</description>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama &amp; the Dems actually get &quot;ObamaCare&quot; enacted the way they&#039;ve been going about it, I&#039;m pretty sure the GOP Congress that&#039;s elected in 2010 will be able to strangle it in the crib before it goes anywhere with no ill effects to the GOP. 

As it is, with the way the Dems are going about it, I doubt it&#039;ll even get enacted - they&#039;re doing almost everything wrong they possibly can on this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama &amp; the Dems actually get &#8220;ObamaCare&#8221; enacted the way they&#8217;ve been going about it, I&#8217;m pretty sure the GOP Congress that&#8217;s elected in 2010 will be able to strangle it in the crib before it goes anywhere with no ill effects to the GOP. </p>
<p>As it is, with the way the Dems are going about it, I doubt it&#8217;ll even get enacted &#8211; they&#8217;re doing almost everything wrong they possibly can on this one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: skorrent1</title>
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		<dc:creator>skorrent1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That were &quot;facilitated&quot;.  They&#039;ve been broken up into little groups to &quot;facilitate&quot; agreement with points already decided on.  I can recognize $3 bills when I see them.  So can the folks in that room.

I&#039;ve heard many stupid things in &quot;facilitated&quot; meetings, but none more stupid than by the man who said that insurance companies could not make a profit without denying care to people.  Does he comprehend only the Marxian concept that profit is an excess stolen from the workers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That were &#8220;facilitated&#8221;.  They&#8217;ve been broken up into little groups to &#8220;facilitate&#8221; agreement with points already decided on.  I can recognize $3 bills when I see them.  So can the folks in that room.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard many stupid things in &#8220;facilitated&#8221; meetings, but none more stupid than by the man who said that insurance companies could not make a profit without denying care to people.  Does he comprehend only the Marxian concept that profit is an excess stolen from the workers?</p>
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		<title>By: NightTwister</title>
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		<dc:creator>NightTwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the members of AARP are already familiar with the liberal bias of the organization.  Many seniors ignore this due to fears about the possibility of the government entitlements they&#039;re accustomed to receiving, and the fact that the AARP continually works to defend these entitlements as well as trying to get more.  The fact that we&#039;ve never really heard or seen this type of dissension among their ranks means people have up to this point decided to ignore the other parts of their agenda that they don&#039;t like in order to protect what they deem most important.

What we have here is not a revolt against Obama or Congress, but members of a private organization revolting against the staff and organizers of the AARP.  The majority of them are very concerned about the implications of the bill currently before congress, and how it will affect their ability to receive healthcare after it is implemented.

As a voting block, those 65 and older went only slightly more in favor of McCain in the election of 2008., &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/&quot;&gt;54% to 44%)&lt;/a&gt;.  Although one could argue that this single meeting of the AARP is anecdotal and not necessarily representative of the organization&#039;s members as a whole, the fact that they overwhelmingly rejected the position of the host suggests that it is more likely to be representative of the group.

More and more the healthcare bill appears to be the hill that Obama, Pelosi &amp; Reid will live or die on.  It is my belief that the strategy that was successful during his campaign and early days of his Presidency is wearing thin on a significant segment of the population; reaching across every demographic group.

Even if in the end Obama and Congress are able to pass some version of this healthcare bill, they will have expended so much political capital they&#039;ll be hard pressed to get any more of their agenda accomplished.  That will be very good for Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the members of AARP are already familiar with the liberal bias of the organization.  Many seniors ignore this due to fears about the possibility of the government entitlements they&#8217;re accustomed to receiving, and the fact that the AARP continually works to defend these entitlements as well as trying to get more.  The fact that we&#8217;ve never really heard or seen this type of dissension among their ranks means people have up to this point decided to ignore the other parts of their agenda that they don&#8217;t like in order to protect what they deem most important.</p>
<p>What we have here is not a revolt against Obama or Congress, but members of a private organization revolting against the staff and organizers of the AARP.  The majority of them are very concerned about the implications of the bill currently before congress, and how it will affect their ability to receive healthcare after it is implemented.</p>
<p>As a voting block, those 65 and older went only slightly more in favor of McCain in the election of 2008., <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/">54% to 44%)</a>.  Although one could argue that this single meeting of the AARP is anecdotal and not necessarily representative of the organization&#8217;s members as a whole, the fact that they overwhelmingly rejected the position of the host suggests that it is more likely to be representative of the group.</p>
<p>More and more the healthcare bill appears to be the hill that Obama, Pelosi &amp; Reid will live or die on.  It is my belief that the strategy that was successful during his campaign and early days of his Presidency is wearing thin on a significant segment of the population; reaching across every demographic group.</p>
<p>Even if in the end Obama and Congress are able to pass some version of this healthcare bill, they will have expended so much political capital they&#8217;ll be hard pressed to get any more of their agenda accomplished.  That will be very good for Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
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		<dc:creator>eburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the dude in the front row who called out the AARP for having Danny &quot;I shook hands with Hugo Chavez&quot; Glover as a spokesperson.

::rolling eyes::</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the dude in the front row who called out the AARP for having Danny &#8220;I shook hands with Hugo Chavez&#8221; Glover as a spokesperson.</p>
<p>::rolling eyes::</p>
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
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		<dc:creator>eburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sending back junk mail to AARP, the NY Times, Time magazine, whatever.... either empty, or even more fun is to stuff stuff like a Human Events article, a pithy remark or two...campaign literature from conservative Republicans... whatever costs them money to open and process.

And last night, after ColdWarrior put up a link to Harry Mitchell&#039;s health care website, I went and punched in my old address in Phoenix, completed the survey, called him out on his calling this whole sham &quot;health insurance reform&quot;,  explained what a crock the 47 million uninsured number is...and sent it off to him.

What I wish I could see is the look on the guy&#039;s face who now lives in my old house when he gets the letter from Harry thanking &quot;Bob Wallace&quot; for his views on health care.

This is gettin&#039; kinda fun.

Heh. Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sending back junk mail to AARP, the NY Times, Time magazine, whatever&#8230;. either empty, or even more fun is to stuff stuff like a Human Events article, a pithy remark or two&#8230;campaign literature from conservative Republicans&#8230; whatever costs them money to open and process.</p>
<p>And last night, after ColdWarrior put up a link to Harry Mitchell&#8217;s health care website, I went and punched in my old address in Phoenix, completed the survey, called him out on his calling this whole sham &#8220;health insurance reform&#8221;,  explained what a crock the 47 million uninsured number is&#8230;and sent it off to him.</p>
<p>What I wish I could see is the look on the guy&#8217;s face who now lives in my old house when he gets the letter from Harry thanking &#8220;Bob Wallace&#8221; for his views on health care.</p>
<p>This is gettin&#8217; kinda fun.</p>
<p>Heh. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Haynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which obviously means that they are corporate tools.</description>
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		<title>By: bobojake</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobojake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the town hall meetings. It will be Nancy Pelosi and she isn&#039;t even in disguise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the town hall meetings. It will be Nancy Pelosi and she isn&#8217;t even in disguise.</p>
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		<title>By: bobojake</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobojake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the town hall meetings. It will be Nancy Pelosi and she isn&#039;t even in disguise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the town hall meetings. It will be Nancy Pelosi and she isn&#8217;t even in disguise.</p>
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		<title>By: NightTwister</title>
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		<dc:creator>NightTwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert A. Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert A. Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.60plus.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;60 Plus&lt;/a&gt;. &quot;60 Plus is often viewed as the  conservative alternative to the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.60plus.org/" target="_blank">60 Plus</a>. &#8220;60 Plus is often viewed as the  conservative alternative to the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to go to youtube so you can RATE and favorite it. Get it on the most viewed, commented, and rated lists for the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to go to youtube so you can RATE and favorite it. Get it on the most viewed, commented, and rated lists for the day.</p>
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		<title>By: olsmithie</title>
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		<dc:creator>olsmithie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10-12 years ago. The last I noted was for 30 million back in the late &#039;90s. I suspect that hasn&#039;t changed.

Let&#039;s see, take money from friendly congress critters,
Lobby for causes of friendly congress critters. 

What&#039;s wrong with this picture??

And Obey thought he invented that last election.
 Arrp was decades ahead of AKERN, although they share some characteristics.

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10-12 years ago. The last I noted was for 30 million back in the late &#8217;90s. I suspect that hasn&#8217;t changed.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, take money from friendly congress critters,<br />
Lobby for causes of friendly congress critters. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with this picture??</p>
<p>And Obey thought he invented that last election.<br />
 Arrp was decades ahead of AKERN, although they share some characteristics.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people continued their OWN meeting - with cameras rolling!!
I love it. That AARP lady just looked like an idiot. She said she was done.... Great - get the hell out. Cancel your AARP membership.
Ask for your money back.

Protest the Obama DeathBill in McKinney Texas
on August 13th at 4:30 PM.

The Collin County Republican Party Headquarters is located at:
8416 Stacy Road, Suite 100, McKinney, Texas 75070.

http://www.collincountygop.com/contact-us/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people continued their OWN meeting &#8211; with cameras rolling!!<br />
I love it. That AARP lady just looked like an idiot. She said she was done&#8230;. Great &#8211; get the hell out. Cancel your AARP membership.<br />
Ask for your money back.</p>
<p>Protest the Obama DeathBill in McKinney Texas<br />
on August 13th at 4:30 PM.</p>
<p>The Collin County Republican Party Headquarters is located at:<br />
8416 Stacy Road, Suite 100, McKinney, Texas 75070.</p>
<p>http://www.collincountygop.com/contact-us/</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/08/06/behold-those-scary-scary-swastika-bearing-astroturfers/comment-page-1/#comment-20086</link>
		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they could pick up millions and how sweet would it be to starve the beast of liberal hell AARP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they could pick up millions and how sweet would it be to starve the beast of liberal hell AARP.</p>
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