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	<title>Comments on: Cash for clunkers program performing precisely as expected.</title>
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		<title>By: snowshooze</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowshooze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a mess.
  The imported cars are doing great!
  The guys that could afford new anyhow are doing great!
  My old &#039;93 Ford just died, but I can&#039;t afford new...so no Clunker $ for me, and think of my Neighbors who are still in &#039;70s rigs...what will the program do for them? It isn&#039;t that they don&#039;t want a newer vehicle, they just know they cannot afford one.
  And think of the US Auto Worker....Hyundai is supposed to be a big winner...how about Detroit??
  This program helps out everyone who didn&#039;t need any help.
  But our people, and the lower middle class on down...
  Awwww...who cares about them anyhow...
 Don&#039;t you think a Domestic Purchase should have been mandatory?
  And if it would have extended to used car purchases, possibly we could really have come out with something. Get some of those REAL Clunkers off the road...Help the guy with kids upgrade into the &#039;80s
  It is just another fiasco. The whole program is a Publicity Stunt, I severely hope it blows up.
  Alaska Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a mess.<br />
  The imported cars are doing great!<br />
  The guys that could afford new anyhow are doing great!<br />
  My old &#8217;93 Ford just died, but I can&#8217;t afford new&#8230;so no Clunker $ for me, and think of my Neighbors who are still in &#8217;70s rigs&#8230;what will the program do for them? It isn&#8217;t that they don&#8217;t want a newer vehicle, they just know they cannot afford one.<br />
  And think of the US Auto Worker&#8230;.Hyundai is supposed to be a big winner&#8230;how about Detroit??<br />
  This program helps out everyone who didn&#8217;t need any help.<br />
  But our people, and the lower middle class on down&#8230;<br />
  Awwww&#8230;who cares about them anyhow&#8230;<br />
 Don&#8217;t you think a Domestic Purchase should have been mandatory?<br />
  And if it would have extended to used car purchases, possibly we could really have come out with something. Get some of those REAL Clunkers off the road&#8230;Help the guy with kids upgrade into the &#8217;80s<br />
  It is just another fiasco. The whole program is a Publicity Stunt, I severely hope it blows up.<br />
  Alaska Mark</p>
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		<title>By: LISA BULLOCK-HOCK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LISA BULLOCK-HOCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I can&#039;t blame you for taking advantage, but since I got laid off 3 years ago from my 90k/year job and have been working temp work for 10-12 per hour and my husband works 2 jobs so we can keep groceries on the table--forgive me if I don&#039;t jump for joy.  That was tax dollars that I could have used.  Enjoy your new car smell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I can&#8217;t blame you for taking advantage, but since I got laid off 3 years ago from my 90k/year job and have been working temp work for 10-12 per hour and my husband works 2 jobs so we can keep groceries on the table&#8211;forgive me if I don&#8217;t jump for joy.  That was tax dollars that I could have used.  Enjoy your new car smell.</p>
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		<title>By: LISA BULLOCK-HOCK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LISA BULLOCK-HOCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this goofy congress and the President would think they were totally in their rights to do that.  Us stupid peasants need to be put in our place according to them.  I hope you get to keep your truck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this goofy congress and the President would think they were totally in their rights to do that.  Us stupid peasants need to be put in our place according to them.  I hope you get to keep your truck.</p>
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		<title>By: williemcbride</title>
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		<dc:creator>williemcbride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I traded in my Suburban last Friday.  When I told my mechanic what I did, I thought he would be heartbroken since all the work he did on it probably put his kids thru college, but he actually sounded relieved.

Anyhow - regarding some of the horror stories, I think alot of it is confusion on part of the dealers and the sellers.  I talked to alot of dealers when I was looking for a new vehicle - many of them were really not up to speed on the program.   One of the reasons I chose the dealer I went with was he was following the program very closely.

When I went to sign all my paperwork I already had copies of my insurance policy and vehicle registration to prove coverage for the year.  From talking to my dealer the past couple days, he said that many people have to scramble to get that documentation together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I traded in my Suburban last Friday.  When I told my mechanic what I did, I thought he would be heartbroken since all the work he did on it probably put his kids thru college, but he actually sounded relieved.</p>
<p>Anyhow &#8211; regarding some of the horror stories, I think alot of it is confusion on part of the dealers and the sellers.  I talked to alot of dealers when I was looking for a new vehicle &#8211; many of them were really not up to speed on the program.   One of the reasons I chose the dealer I went with was he was following the program very closely.</p>
<p>When I went to sign all my paperwork I already had copies of my insurance policy and vehicle registration to prove coverage for the year.  From talking to my dealer the past couple days, he said that many people have to scramble to get that documentation together.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl1019</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl1019</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It starts with the $4,500, which of course really only helps people who were going to buy a new car anyway. My 12-year-old Explorer, which I planned to drive until it falls apart around me, is paid for--and I have no plans to go into the kind of debt it would take to buy a new car, $4,500 or no.

So then people like me will be offered better incentives. When we don&#039;t take those, they&#039;ll institute emissions testing. You&#039;ll either have to bring your car up to standards or junk it. 

And then, for the people who still don&#039;t give up their beaters, a government repo man will come and take it, leaving in its place a tin can &quot;Smart Car.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It starts with the $4,500, which of course really only helps people who were going to buy a new car anyway. My 12-year-old Explorer, which I planned to drive until it falls apart around me, is paid for&#8211;and I have no plans to go into the kind of debt it would take to buy a new car, $4,500 or no.</p>
<p>So then people like me will be offered better incentives. When we don&#8217;t take those, they&#8217;ll institute emissions testing. You&#8217;ll either have to bring your car up to standards or junk it. </p>
<p>And then, for the people who still don&#8217;t give up their beaters, a government repo man will come and take it, leaving in its place a tin can &#8220;Smart Car.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cash for Clunkers: Victims of Their Own Success?

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/31/cash-for-clunkers-victims-of-their-own-success/

There’s a distinct difference between a successful government program and a good government program. In effect, cash for clunkers is a classic lesson in Economics 101: What Not to Do. It’s sadly reminiscent of Frederic Bastiat’s broken window fallacy, except that instead of breaking windows to “stimulate the economy,” we’re destroying perfectly good cars. Meanwhile, we’re asking consumers to purchase cars they might not be able to afford and incur more debt. While the program is ‘working’ in the sense that people are buying new cars, not only has the government had trouble dispersing the money, the program is full of unintended consequences, including dubious environmental benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cash for Clunkers: Victims of Their Own Success?</p>
<p>http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/31/cash-for-clunkers-victims-of-their-own-success/</p>
<p>There’s a distinct difference between a successful government program and a good government program. In effect, cash for clunkers is a classic lesson in Economics 101: What Not to Do. It’s sadly reminiscent of Frederic Bastiat’s broken window fallacy, except that instead of breaking windows to “stimulate the economy,” we’re destroying perfectly good cars. Meanwhile, we’re asking consumers to purchase cars they might not be able to afford and incur more debt. While the program is ‘working’ in the sense that people are buying new cars, not only has the government had trouble dispersing the money, the program is full of unintended consequences, including dubious environmental benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you come up with the Porkulus bill, too?  Or cap and trade?

Because we need to have a serious chat before you strike again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you come up with the Porkulus bill, too?  Or cap and trade?</p>
<p>Because we need to have a serious chat before you strike again.</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So $3 Billion for this brilliant government run debockle. That is $10 in taxes from every citizen in America. This is the great dis-connect in American society.  That $4500 credit is paid for by 450 people giving over $10 each to the government. Now imagine what happens when $1.5 TRILLION is not enough for National Health Care? 

Instead of $10 it will be $10,000 and then $100,000 from every citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So $3 Billion for this brilliant government run debockle. That is $10 in taxes from every citizen in America. This is the great dis-connect in American society.  That $4500 credit is paid for by 450 people giving over $10 each to the government. Now imagine what happens when $1.5 TRILLION is not enough for National Health Care? </p>
<p>Instead of $10 it will be $10,000 and then $100,000 from every citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nt</description>
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		<title>By: DONTREADONME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DONTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is exactly what they just did
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/31/democrats-house-plans-pass-billion-boost-cash-clunkers-program/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is exactly what they just did<br />
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/31/democrats-house-plans-pass-billion-boost-cash-clunkers-program/</p>
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		<title>By: JustLeaveMeAlone</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustLeaveMeAlone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that maybe it qualifies as a clunker now :)  Or a really big paperweight! 

(Thanks, Mom -- it&#039;ll work out once I pay off the federales. They get their cut off the top, always!) 

Texas has really strict emissions requirements, and I happen to own a car that&#039;s extremely expensive to repair -- and one known for catalytic converter issues. Had I known then what I know now..... oh well, live and learn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that maybe it qualifies as a clunker now <img src='http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Or a really big paperweight! </p>
<p>(Thanks, Mom &#8212; it&#8217;ll work out once I pay off the federales. They get their cut off the top, always!) </p>
<p>Texas has really strict emissions requirements, and I happen to own a car that&#8217;s extremely expensive to repair &#8212; and one known for catalytic converter issues. Had I known then what I know now&#8230;.. oh well, live and learn!</p>
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		<title>By: ZZMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZZMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They ran that program so well, we can hardly wait for them to start runnng the country&#039;s health care system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They ran that program so well, we can hardly wait for them to start runnng the country&#8217;s health care system.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 Common, sorry!!!  Where is my dr pepper :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 Common, sorry!!!  Where is my dr pepper <img src='http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 on both points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 on both points.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came up with the idea for this program last year as a way to avoid auto bailouts and as a more effective way of improving overall fleet fuel efficiency without doing something stupid like raising fuel efficiency standards.  Naturally, the government only puts it in place after doing both of the above first, and then mismanages the program on top of it.  I still stand by the idea, even if the Democrats are determined to prove that they can&#039;t do anything right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came up with the idea for this program last year as a way to avoid auto bailouts and as a more effective way of improving overall fleet fuel efficiency without doing something stupid like raising fuel efficiency standards.  Naturally, the government only puts it in place after doing both of the above first, and then mismanages the program on top of it.  I still stand by the idea, even if the Democrats are determined to prove that they can&#8217;t do anything right.</p>
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		<title>By: TNJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>TNJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always with much more taketh...</description>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is awful. I hope you can get it inspected. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is awful. I hope you can get it inspected. <img src='http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vegas_Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vegas_Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JustLeaveMeAlone</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustLeaveMeAlone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(as soon as I can afford one) will be a USA-made, non-UAW made vehicle. Toyota or Nissan, probably. 

And I&#039;ll pay cash to keep the banks from profiting from me, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(as soon as I can afford one) will be a USA-made, non-UAW made vehicle. Toyota or Nissan, probably. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll pay cash to keep the banks from profiting from me, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: JustLeaveMeAlone</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustLeaveMeAlone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could use a new car myself right now, but first the IRS is &quot;asking&quot; for the next $20K I make, no doubt to help pay for yours. You&#039;re welcome. 

What&#039;s wrong with the car I have? Nothing that a $2,500 catalytic converter job won&#039;t fix, so it can pass TX emissions inspection and get registration renewed. Until then, it sits. No bailouts here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could use a new car myself right now, but first the IRS is &#8220;asking&#8221; for the next $20K I make, no doubt to help pay for yours. You&#8217;re welcome. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with the car I have? Nothing that a $2,500 catalytic converter job won&#8217;t fix, so it can pass TX emissions inspection and get registration renewed. Until then, it sits. No bailouts here.</p>
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