And now the President is reminding Russians about Alaska.


This post written after I finished wiping coffee off of the monitor.

God, I miss the days of the Bush administration, when we didn’t do things like this.

Referring to the long history of Russia-U.S. trade stretching back more than two centuries, Obama told an audience of business people in Moscow:

“Along the way, you gave us a pretty good deal on Alaska. Thank you.”

Contra Reuters, this was not a “pointed quip” (as Ed Morrissey notes, it only works as one if you assume that the President wanted to insult his hosts): it was a “somebody didn’t read the briefing materials (particularly the bits about Vladimir Zhirinovsky) gaffe.”  What’s next?  Thanking the Chinese for their involuntary help with training up our Navy during the Boxer RebellionThat should go over well: they’re even touchier about their history than the Russians are.

And I actively dread thinking about what the current President is going to say, the next time that he visits Japan.

Moe Lane

Crossposted at Moe Lane.


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Surely, David Letterman

JoseyJ Wednesday, July 8th at 9:25AM EST (link)

will crack a joke about Obama’s gaffe – right?
ha!
No way – he’s obsessed with mocking Sarah Palin AND family!

 

To point out the obvious

Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 9:34AM EST (link)

This is not a mistake Sarah Palin would have made.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill

 

Telepromter malfunction?

LittleL1954 Wednesday, July 8th at 9:39AM EST (link)

Obama’s speech writers are as brain dead as he is hence the joke insulting thoses he is speaking to–but he does not care as he only cares about his own self interests and to the rest of the world thumbs his nose at it.

53%

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 10:07AM EST (link)

voted for this “intellectual”

 
 

The Hubris of Naivete

Loren Heal (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 10:11AM EST (link)

Obama knows just enough history (and economics) to be dangerous.

Sometimes he just reminds me of a blog troll. It would be funny if it weren’t so existentially risky.


Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

 

Training Exercise

banzaibob (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 10:37AM EST (link)

Maybe the president would like to thank the Russians for the training exercise known as the Polar Bear War just after WWI.

Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas
It’s better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!
Emiliano Zapata

 

The US did Russia a favor by paying for Alaska;

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 10:43AM EST (link)

we had essentially taken the coastal trade from them and the British were taking the interior away from them. The Russians had become all but unable to maintain and supply their colony and the US had stepped in to fill the void in what was called “The Golden Round” trade.

China had stuff the West wanted, tea, textiles, ceramics, opium, etc. The only things the West had that China wanted were specie and otter fur. It was dogma for mercantilists that you didn’t use specie if you could help it. The Russians had Alaska’s otter fur, but the Russians and Chinese hated each other and the Chinese would only let the Russians trade with them at one port well inland on the Amur River. The Russians simply didn’t have the shipping capacity in the Pacific to support their colony and make a profit of the trade. Enter the Americans by the 1840s. New England merchants began to build nimble, easily handled, and relatively shallow draft vessels for The Golden Round trade. The ships used very small crews that worked on sharers of the voyage’s proceeds. They stocked up with trade goods and staples, sailed around Cape Horn and worked their way up the Pacific Coast trading with the coastal Indians and from northern California northward with the Russians. They used rum, sugar, firearms, and all sorts of metal products to trade with the Indians for otter fur and traded both staples and other food stuffs and luxury goods with the Russians in Southeast Alaska and the Aleutians. Since the US had good relations with China, the US traders then sailed directly to Chinese ports where they exchanged otter fur for highly desireable Chinese goods. The return voyage was usually around the Cape of Good Hope and first to the major European ports where they sold or traded the Chinese goods and finally back to New England where they sold or traded the remained of their goods. The average profit on a three to four year voyage was 4000%!

By the 1850s, the US had come to dominate whaling in Alaska waters as well. In fact, $6.8 Million of the $7.2 Million the US paid Russia for Alaska was “reimbursed” by the British in settlement of US claims against Great Britain for the damage done to the US whaling fleet off Kotzebue, Alaska by the British-built Confederate States’ Ship Shenandoah in June of 1865.

In reality, the Russians made a virtue of necessity by “selling” Alaska because we and the British had already pretty much taken it from them and Russia had much better relations with the US than with the British, so they saw it in their interests that we became their Pacific neighbor rather than the British.

In Vino Veritas

4000% profit!

David Hinz (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 10:50AM EST (link)

Why that is a WINDFALL PROFIT! Damn good thing we didn’t have today’s Democrats running Congress or we would have taxed those traders into bankruptcy.

Thanks for the history lesson.

Made up for the loss of the legal slave trade

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 11:03AM EST (link)

after 1808. The “Triangle Trade” of manufactured goods, slaves, and rum/molasses between England, Africa, and the America’s gave New England its early and spectacular wealth. With the ban on slave importation in 1808, the NE shippers had to turn to smuggling slaves or flout the British to continue trading in slaves in the places where it was still done, e.g,. the Caribean and Brazil and the Triangle became much less lucrative so they began venturing into the China trade which led to the great “Clipper Ships” for the tea trade, mostly, and to the coastal trade ships developed for the otter fur trade with China.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 

Next visit to Japan

kdoc Wednesday, July 8th at 11:02AM EST (link)

“…and I want to express our gratitude to the people of Japan for providing the United States with an opportunity to demonstrate why nuclear weapons should be banned.”

 

It's just sad.

lholsenbeck (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 11:24AM EST (link)

Considering the level of quality of education that he got, that he’s so shallow in his understanding of the history of countries.

You would figure he would at least be smart enough to get good enough advisers, so he would stop being an international gaffe machine; but he probably thinks he’s second to none.

Now, all of Europe’s leaders have seen just how sad he is in policy and diplomacy.

And Russia is probably starting a countdown to take back Georgia. I’m going with before 2010. Anyone want to start a pool ?

Eat ‘em up Houston Cougars !

 

As the first 'affirmative action' President,

Old_Crow (Diary) Wednesday, July 8th at 1:34PM EST (link)

I am not surprised by his weak intellectual grasp of history. The fact that he surrounds himself with fools doesn’t buffer his image much either.

“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison

 

Insulting Zhironovsky

naraht Wednesday, July 8th at 5:35PM EST (link)

As far as I’m concerned the only question left in a Zhironovsky led Russian government is will he manage to get into a Nuclear War with just China, or will he just nuke everyone. (And who is President of the United States at that point won’t make any difference to him)

Iranian President Ahmadinejad is a rock of sanity compared to Zhironovsky.

The closest equivalent to Zhironovsky that I can come up with in American Politics is Lyndon Larouche and while Larouche wants to arrest Queen Elizabeth, I don’t think he’s ever proposed wiping Great Britain off the map by creating massive tidal waves in the Atlantic by dropping Nuclear Weapons there.

 

OK, why were Obama's remark so bad? [I can't make people click links...]

dwc417 Saturday, July 11th at 7:01AM EST (link)

[...but I can get away with removing drive-bys who are too lazy to click them. I don't do that all the time; but I do do it sometimes. - Moe Lane]

In 1846 the US invaded Mexico and forcibly took from that country land that would become almost the entire present day southwest USA. If Obama went on a state visit to Mexico and said “thanks for the great deal on California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah and Nevada” that would truly be stupid not to mention offensive to the Mexicans.

In 1867 the US made an offer to purchase Alaska from the Russians. Russia accepted the offer and Alaska became ours. We didn’t invade or threaten to invade the place and there was no duress upon the Russians to give up Alaska ( no duress caused from the US anyway).

So Obama said ‘thanks for the great deal on Alaska’. So what? I’m not aware of any serious revanchist movement in Russia to take back Alaska, nor of any widespread resentment among
the Russian people about the sale of Alaska. Can someone explain to me why Obama’s remark was so dumb, or offensive and/or such a huge gaffe?

allow me to help you understand

David Hinz (Diary) Saturday, July 11th at 8:41AM EST (link)

[even though it appears you are already gone]

An analogy:

When UPS was first expanding into worldwide service, they almost got themselves kicked out of Germany the first week. Why? Because they came into the country with their brown trucks and wearing their brown uniforms — and the German people freaked out!

It’s called knowing the audience — or the culture you are in. The German people are extremely self-conscious about brown uniforms. Now UPS wears white uniforms in Germany and drives white trucks.

It’s the same way with the president and his remarks about Alaska. A simple check with any historical experts — heck ANY experts at all, would have told him it was a sore subject.

We actually have a diplomatic staff that is paid to know these things…heck, they have a whole department.