[UPDATE]: Coleman has conceded. And while I rarely agree with the Angry Left on anything, I do agree on this: Reid has no more excuses.
For the Minnesota Supreme Court decision declaring Al Franken the winner, that is.
Real fast: the ABC News report that was sent out is actually from January; apparently the Governor was not specifically ordered to issue the certificate (don’t ask me why); Gov. Pawlenty made one of those statements:
Gov. Tim Pawlenty had indicated as late as Monday that he was willing to certify Mr. Franken as the winner once the state’s highest court decided the recount and Mr. Coleman’s battle. On CNN on Sunday, Mr. Pawlenty said: “I’m prepared to sign it as soon as they give the green light.”
Asked what he would do if Mr. Coleman decided to appeal to the federal courts, as had been mentioned before this ruling, Mr. Pawlenty added: “A federal court could stay or put a limit on or stop the effect of the state court ruling. If they chose, if they do that, I would certainly follow their direction. But if that doesn’t happen promptly or drags out for any period of time, then we need to move ahead with signing this, particularly if I’m ordered to do that by the state court.”
Some legal experts already are pointing out that the Minnesota Supreme Court did not issue a directive ordering Governor Pawlenty to sign the certificate. And there is, according to legal experts, a rehearing period of 10 days, under the Minnesota judges’ ruling.
And so we wait to see what Norm Coleman does next. Hotline says it’ll be to concede: either way, it’ll be at 4 PM.
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Can we now declare Minnesota officially a joke?
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:00PM EST (link)As if they learned nothing from the Ventura situation. What would it take to cede Minnesota to Canada?
I declared them a joke a long time ago- nt
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:50PM EST (link)Molon Labe!
Franken is a joke and will be a rubber stamp for The One
its_a_right_wing_thing (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 9:21PM EST (link)We can laugh all day long about how The One had little, no, or minimal experience and qualifications to run for President which by his election, has been watered down by the way. To include Him historically with actual Founding Fathers Jefferson, Monroe, Adams, and Washington among others is an insult for them. They never intended for someone like Him to be elected and would be ashamed if they were alive today.
But the fact of the matter is, He did have 8 years of experinece in the corrupt Chicago political machine before being rightfully elected by the bleeding heart liberals of the state of Illinois. So he seved six years in what is now a similarily watered down senate with Franken being the newest member to this fading Club.
Franken had NO prior political experience. On top of that, he carpetbagged his way back to MN from New York only a few years ago and suddenly now knows what is best for them and how to represent his new constituency? He’ll do fine as a rubber stamp/Yes Man/lap dog for The One and his cronies Pelosi and Reid among others but can you imagine this idiot trying to write governmental legislation? That fool isn’t even good at his day job which was “comedy” he doesn’t know the first thing about ethics (so he should fit in fine), parliamentary procedure, the law, etc. all of which he will need one he gets to the hill.
I expect some early “present” votes until he can form new alliances with some of the Dumbocrats furthest left wing and they teach him a thing or two about how to bully the opposition. He’s a joke. Once he gets comfortable, some has-been like Kennedy will co-sponsor meaningless legislation with him just so he can get the feel and get his name out there. They will let him take baby steps with symbolic and other meaningless legislation since they know he’s overmatched and won’t have a clue what he’s doing since he has no businesss being in Washington in the first place.
Finally, he’ll go back to his constituents and be able to say “look at all this legislation I supported….” energy, health care, education (typical Democratic socalist issues) when in reality most of them will just be rubber stamp votes that would have passed anyway.
Can you imagine this moron trying to debate someone who actually knows what they are talking about on the Senate floor? Its a shame but also appropriate that the Republicans lack a leader with a proven backbone otherwise this would look even more foolish than it already will. Jesse Helms would have a field day with him if he or his peers were still with us today back with the Senate was relevant.
Oh well, I guess its also appropriate that the tyrant and his cronies now get a worthless rubber stamp to help further their socialist agenda. Are we really surprised this happened? I’m just glad it took this long and Franken will miss 9 months that he could have been in DC once they get back to session. What is really suprising is that MN one of the most liberal, bleeding heart, progressive, poltically correct states in the Union, voted 5-0 to approve this joke.
Thanks a lot ACORN. With you around, democracy is dead and we can expect more of the same you criminals.
The people of Minnesota have the right to elect whoever they want
Rich Tandler (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:26PM EST (link)to the US Senate. They chose to elect Al Franken.
I have freedom of speech and I choose to call the people of Minnesota a bunch of fools who will, sooner rather than later, regret having put this buffoon into office.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the tears of defeated politicians of BOTH parties and at ALL levels over the next few election cycles.
The Three T’s of reform–Term Limits, Tax Reform, and the Tenth Amendment
Actually they chose Coleman
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:28PM EST (link)…but they previously put the moles into office who knew how to steal a election.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
I am a little tired of Minnesotans' long-standing assertion...
smagar (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 12:17AM EST (link)that they’re such a clean state when it comes to politics.
Part of the responsibility of living in a democracy: voting for responsible people.
Minnesotans replaced Norm Coleman, the man who led the Senate’s investigations of Hussein’s abuse of the Oil-For-Food program, with Stuart Smalley.
What…does Minnesota think this is funny?
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
It's all over
BlueLandRed (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:37PM EST (link)Coleman concedes.
Cap and Trade
Joe Cor (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:41PM EST (link)just inched one vote closer to passing.
If I could give use an acronym to describe America...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:43PM EST (link)it would be 4UBAR! where 4=F, if that isn’t cryptic enough, please delete me literally.
What a **** joke!
redtillimdead (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:47PM EST (link)What kinda **** is that? Poor Minnesotians
Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.
Poor Minnesotians? Poor Us! Harry Has His 60 Now. n/t
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:52PM EST (link)n/t
This is by far the most depressing
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:53PM EST (link)The only person I can think of less qualified than Obama and the rest of the congressional idiots is Al Franken.
And the fact that the election was blatantly stolen, then upheld by an insane set of rulings, is just salt in the wounds.
I feel like we are under siege by the Mongols, trying to hold out for another 18 months.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
I guess sometimes you have to let the child stick their hand in the light socket...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:07PM EST (link)and then you tell them, see I told you so.
I am with you Dave, just another depressing day for anyone who thought this country had a bright future. Today, it is pretty much over, not much can be done to stop this. Yes, I have gone fatalist. Not much of a force left to stand up to these guys now in the confines of legal, other than pray to God that Americans wake up, and that someone has the guts to overturn this garbage that is coming. And if God is playing a joke on us, please stop it, it is not funny anymore.
Now it is a wait and see, and hope that my wife and I will be spared the onslaught, but hey there is always Texas.
This is why the 17th Amendment was a travesty...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:25PM EST (link)a democrat would have still won the seat, but it would not have been such an embarrassment like Al Franken. We would have had someone with a little more interest in MN then this turkey.
Yeah, Franken is an odd choice, even for MN
BlueLandRed (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:46PM EST (link)but to claim this election was stolen really flies in the face of whole lot of evidence. I actually watched a good chuck of it and read most of the decisions as I found the entire process both amusing and enlightening. Fact is, Minnesota has some of the best election laws in the country and they really did count all the votes.
Coleman’s team had plenty of opportunity to examine every vote and introduce evidence at both the election commission and the special election court. He simply failed to find enough votes to exceed the votes Franken had.
We might not like the results, but don’t blame the process, blame the voters.
Wrong!!!
eburke (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:11PM EST (link)I live here and this process was a joke. It would take a diary to chronicle all the irregularities in this sham but just to mention a few:
All of Duluth (heavy union blue area) were the last precincts to come in at THREE in the morning
The 2,700 dead people who voted
The fact that the blue counties used different standards (much more lenient, there’s a shock) than the red counties for counting absentee ballots.
The double counting of ‘lost’ ballots in a heavily Franken district in Minneapolis.
And, not last and certainly not least, the fact that Secretary of State Ritchie was endorsed, bought and paid for in the last election by ACORN.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
I don't know if it was "stolen" or not
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:27PM EST (link)if Coleman got even 40 percent, which is likely, it shows there is something dangerous in the MN water; we should call in Erin Brockovich.
Molon Labe!
Is this an excuse?
redtillimdead (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 4:58PM EST (link)Is this a good excuse to stop boy-cotting the NRSC? God, I hope we can keep ALL of our seats and make gains in 2010, if not, Australia, here I come!
Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.
Why would Coleman concede?
Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:02PM EST (link)We all knew he wouldn’t get a fair shake from any court in Minnesota; his only hope really was to get a federal court to force Minnesota to actually follow its own law. It sounds to me like he’s giving up before playing his best cards.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
Oh he probably got rationalized by some "go along to get along" phony republican.
USNJIMRET (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:14PM EST (link)I’m with DTOM on this one, perhaps even more so a fatalist.
The Nation should mark this date, 30 June 2009.
The day the experiment just plain died.
House passes bills that no one reads,
Senate has a filibuster proof, far left majority,
White House is occupied by someone who sides with Castro.
Tell me again this makes any sense at all.
He probably was promised a chance to run for office again
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:49PM EST (link)…and threatened if he wanted to rock the boat further.
This just goes to show the importance of down-state races like Secretary of State. The Democrats have learned the power of putting partisans in such positions, like Ohio too – especially since they won’t be exposed to publicity like Harris was in Florida.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
Coleman joins the list of squishy political cowards who walk away from a righteous fight
RedWhite_and_Truth (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 10:09AM EST (link)What IS IT with these GOP’ers who fold their tents? We sit out here screaming for them to stay in the fight! THEY are in the right, and they tuck tail and go home.
I recall being so mad at John Ashcroft for conceding after the 2000 election. He hoped that the election would be a comfort to Mel Carnahan’s widow. Never mind that the St. Louis polls stayed open illegally for hours.
Now Coleman says he won’t move on to the federal court system. Come on, Norm! Grow a spine!
What gets me is that the LIBtards have no problem with stringing out the process until they get the result they want (Al Gore: unsuccessful; Stu Smalley: successful).
Note to future Conservative candidates: STAY IN THE FREAKIN’ FIGHT UNTIL the last dog dies! I don’t care what the headlines read! Consult the Constitution if you are bereft of reading material. . . and then, FOLLOW IT.
We’ll stay by your side, if that’s what you’re worried about. Go for their jugular (like they go for ours) and WIN, for a change.
Coleman decided to take the Bush "above the fray" approach during the recount even as he was being blatantly robbed.
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 11:22AM EST (link)The fool only has himself to blame.
The only bright side is that with him gone, the RMSP’s Senate membership is now down to the Maine sisters and their brand of self-defeating, self-loathing “moderation” is not as likely to infect any other Republican.
Another Darwin award goes to a Republican politician
civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 11:56AM EST (link)Ultimately, these folk will make themselves extinct as they fall on their swords rather than fight back, out of desire to be a “good sport” nice guy.
The question is how many Republican will be left to continue the fight.
Still, a small army that will defend and hold their position in the heat of battle and not wilt is far better than a larger army of unreliable soldiers who will totally fail in the heat of battle.
At least there is hope that the former might prevail or at least survive long enough to gain key allies who will join the fight on their side. Whereas, if a crtical number of your troops always panic at the earliest sign of conflict and keep abandoning their positions, the war is lost.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
A couple of direct comments...
GT350 Tuesday, June 30th at 5:15PM EST (link)To Al Franken: You were never funny, ever. Here’s hoping you will be a better Senator than you were comedian.
To American Public: Don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for any of them. My guys lost, and I accept no responsibility for this outcome.
To Harry Reid, Pelosi, & Obama: You control the U.S. Government. So there’s no more excuses, give it to us straight: Taxes on the Rich, Welfare government, Surrender in Iraq, etc. Here’s your chance to implement a European-style socialist system. Go for it, and we’ll see you in 2010.
This whole episode is a call for a simpler election system
ashevillelib Tuesday, June 30th at 5:19PM EST (link)There must be a simple way to vote and have those votes counted fairly, quickly and without any question – accurately. Had this happened, then we would have had two senators form MN for the last 6 months.
ashvillelib....there is a simpler way...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:23PM EST (link)Stop Funding ACORN to register dead people to vote.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
even simplier than that Aaron...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:27PM EST (link)overturn the 17th Amendment, then we would only have to count the legislatures votes. Awfully hard to come up with votes from people that do not exist and plus protects the state from populist morons like Al.
I just have to ask
notdeadyetkc Tuesday, June 30th at 5:37PM EST (link)if you would also recommend reverting to the original version of the electoral college to select our president?
I have a question for you TROLL (sleeper acount), think much?
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:43PM EST (link)If you can not figure out why that you have just compared two seeminly unconnected things I do not know what is wrong with you.
The legislature of a state is voted for by individuals citizens of the state in sections like representatives of the United States. They act as representatives of those people of their district. You know what, why bother, you brain can not comprehend what I am telling you anyway.
I don't know why you would call me a troll
notdeadyetkc Tuesday, June 30th at 5:51PM EST (link)I have been around here a lot longer than you. And I have never been disrespectful of anyone here, including you.
I would guess it was the non-sequitor and the dormant account status....nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:02PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
yeah, you have been around, but have you contributed 3Y 6M?...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:03PM EST (link)Frankly, I could care less that you have not be disrespectful to anyone here, you just chose to engage the wrong guy on the wrong day, and you asked a rather ignorant question; therefore,given your history here, and your question ipso facto you’re a lurker. I apologize that I called you a troll, I should have said a lurker here. But you picked a really stupid thread to address me on, out of all the topics on this site you chose my reference to the 17th amendment, why? Obviously, you thought you had me on a point but you didn’t that is what the typical troll does around here.
So, before you ask a question, you better make darn sure that you have done your research on the topic of the U.S. Constitution through literature search, and ask yourself why would I have a problem with the 17th Amendment but not the 12th amendment, now look at when the 12th amendment was ratified. Come on, really?
DTOM, I think you called it right...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:10PM EST (link)anyone trying to compare the 12th to the 17th is an idiot and more than likely a troll.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
but alas, Aaron...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:16PM EST (link)I fear this one will live to comment another day.
snark on/ Somedays, it just do not pay for me to make a “radical” suggestion like the 17th amendment was a mistake, maybe I should just stick to the not so “radical” ideas of Cap and trade, Health Care for all, supporting the Iranian mullahs, calling the Honduran constituional process illegal, but alas, a troll called me on one my most radical idea. /snark off
Sometimes the choices of comments that trolls decide to comment on just amaze me. What in their mind thought to address my comment, not like I can not be as aggressive as you are, that was a compliment.
I chose to ask you about your position
notdeadyetkc Tuesday, June 30th at 6:11PM EST (link)because I don’t think there are very many people on this site who would agree with your position that Senators should not be elected by popular vote.
If you've been following here the 3-1/2 years you've been registered
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:16PM EST (link)You’d have seen a fair number of diaries and comments arguing for repealing the 17th Amendment. So your comment here is rather incriminating as to your level of attention and involvement at RedState
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
Wrong! Probably a significant minority if not a small majority
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:16PM EST (link)of regular posters here certainly wouldn’t rule out returning to legislatures electing senators rather than the heathen masses. They should represent the states. With popular votes, they are just super representatives of the latest popular whim.
In Vino Veritas
and before I came to Redstate...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:23PM EST (link)I was for the 17th amendment, now given the level of articulate reasons against it, I can safely say I am definitely “for” repealing it.
That is a compliment to whomever got me to think about it other than as an answer to a civics course in High School. I wish I knew who it was that convinced me, but I imagine it had to be an old school guy around here.
same growth for me re the 17th - Now, I am not for repealing Medicare!
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:36PM EST (link)the latter was on another site….
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
I'm Not
IJB Tuesday, June 30th at 6:45PM EST (link)Repealing the 17th Amendment doesn’t solve the problem – it just makes it worse.
The fact is, the problem is the Senate as an *institution*.
I know what it was *supposed* to do, but I don’t think it has ever actually done it, in any of its incarnations…
It certainly got a bad reputation in the Railroad/Robber Baron Era.
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:16PM EST (link)‘Course, I really don’t know how much if that is true and how much is “Progressive” spin. America couldn’t have been that awful a place in that era as we very quickly became first the wealthiest then the most powerful Country in the World between 1865 and 1920.
In Vino Veritas
I'm with DTOM
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:24PM EST (link)I to think that the 17th needs to be repealled. Not that I’m a constitutional scholar, but I thought that the Upper Chamber was around to ensure that the larger states could not run ruogh shot over the smaller states, take the 110 votes for Cap and Tax that came from just the west coast and northeast as an example of this. That and to ensure States rights.
“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
“With age, comes Wisdom, but only if you are paying Attention, son” my ‘Old Man’
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555...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:29PM EST (link)Plus the Senate was supposed to act like a bottleneck against the whims of the masses, looks like it is now just a rubber stamp. Of course we will have to wait and see with that Cap n tax thing, I am not holding my breath.
I'm not holding mine either
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:40PM EST (link)but with this so-called super majority now the preasure is realy on dear old Harry to get thing down, and as poeple keep telling me the Senate is an entially different beast that the House.
Anyway the more that are in a group the more likly that group is to turn on itself
“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
“With age, comes Wisdom, but only if you are paying Attention, son” my ‘Old Man’
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You are correct
notdeadyetkc Tuesday, June 30th at 6:18PM EST (link)I don’t post a lot, but I also don’t have the time to devote to it. I do read daily. And as far as I know my account is not dormant. And never has been.
I do remember a time when this site was the place to go for civil debate. Unfortunately I think those days are gone.
Be careful with donning the "victim" mantle
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:25PM EST (link)An awful lot of us are upset about the Minnesota vote fraud/theft today. This is not the time for ill-informed comments about the 17th Amendment. It’s like stirring up a hornet’s nest – not a recipe for calm discussion.
I suggest you just tiptoes away quietly here and reflect a bit before you venture to comment again at RedState.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
I doubt you were here for civil debate...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:35PM EST (link)and by dormant I meant you have rarely posted a comment and never diary.
You know….like the opposite of active.
Now on to the debate….the 12th amendment addressed an actual problem within the electoral system. What was done was reform in order to avoid chaos.
What was done with the 17th Amendment was change…like your buddy Barry O speaks of…it doesn’t address a problem that actually existed, no it’s reason for being was to dilute the power of the States influence on the national level and to dilute the sovereignty of the individual States.
One was progressive/socialist change and one was prudent/conservative reform.
I bet you have read Liberty and Tyranny or Liberal Fascism yet have you?
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
Civil debate
notdeadyetkc Tuesday, June 30th at 7:33PM EST (link)Boy, I hate to actually get into something and then have to disappear, but I do have theater tickets tonight with the family, so my apologies in advance.
I am certainly not a consitutional scholar, but my understanding is that the 17th amendment was in large part a reaction to changes in the country (communications, infrastructure) that allowed direct election to be possible. Once it was possible, it was inevitable because it was a pretty popular idea.
So it to me seems to be just the natural evolution of democracy in response to a changing environment. I never thought of it as controversial. That is why I asked the initial question.
Changing back would certainly cut both ways. States with an R legislature would send 2 R’s to congress. D’s would do the same. You could probably figure the ultimate makeup by looking at who controls what legislature. And it would seem to be prone to patronage.
Also, I don’t think people would ever give up direct election, especially by the margins needed to amend the constitution.
But you know what? I would love to see a diary with a poll on it.
Also, one final point – I don’t read Red State for laughs. I read it to be informed about what people think because I am very interested in politics – just as you are. I happen to be a moderate independent, which is a bit to the left of most of you. I don’t post a lot because quite frankly the posts would probably just generate accusations of troll-dom at every turn – not a good use of my time – or yours – and not really the way I like to entertain myself.
So for me, Red State is more attractive to read than to participate in. I used to participate more, but that was an earlier version of Red State with a lot of people like Leon Wolf around. It was a smaller, but friendlier place then. There were others that if I jogged my memory I might be able to remember, but my all-time favorite diaries were those by Leon because he wrote very thoughtful, articulate diaries. Leon, I’m sorry to tar you with the label of a moderate’s favorite internet diarist, but take it for whatever it is worth.
I only posted in this instance because I had a respectful question. I didn’t expect that I would become the issue.
Again, sorry to drop out, but I have family things to do. Don’t waste any more time on me – but I did want to respond to Aaron.
Whoops. You should probably learn to read downthread before posting. nt
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:38PM EST (link)nt.
Blogging also at
SLC Republitarian
The Minority Report
So many words...so little substance...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:41PM EST (link)By the way, I am not a constitutional scholar either, I just know how to read English and am not afraid to pick up a history book.
As far as the legislature being prone to patronage, well yeah in the Senate where they are there to represent the State rather than the citizens of the State. I find nothing wrong with that.
Anyhow how this leads you to draw a comparison to the 12th amendment still eludes me.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
They never listen. [NT]
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:45PM EST (link)NT
The Kim Kardashian of blogging.
Check out my blog at http://moelane.com/.
http://moelane.com/filthy-lucre-filthy-lucre/
http://twitter.com/moelane
My (combined) wish list.
Quite the eulogy
Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:57PM EST (link)While trial ballooning the reasoning to repeal the 22nd:
“So it to me seems to be just the natural evolution of democracy in response to a changing environment. I never thought of it as controversial.”
Repeal the 17th? Yes Please!
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:58PM EST (link)I’ll agree with you on one comment (though not for the reasons you’d probably prefer), mainly because I haven’t read the rest of the thread yet….
True, for PROGRESSIVES who wanted to mangle and change THE “REPUBLIC” in whatever way shape and form as to take it away from THE REPUBLIC it was founded as. There are supposed to be layers and seperations rather than just a MOB DEMOCRACY!
There are many reasons I could/would otherwise argue, not all based on the reasons of the Founders perhaps, why it could/should have been left alone. I too have to run out the door for something so I’ll just refer back to my favorite discussion on the 17th: biggator’s: repeal the 17th? For me: Yes Please!
Frankly, I’d really like to see this be a States’ Right issue and let each State decide for themselves how they want their Senators to be chosen to serve.
Again, just jumped in based on one comment I saw not read the thread and hope to come back later and see the whole contexts.
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Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:22PM EST (link)Kid, it’s not our fault that the guy that you voted for turned out to be a hardliner on the War on Some Drugs. You should have known that when he picked Joe “RAVE Act” Biden for VP.
Was there anything more, or do you have enough material to show your fragment of the outside world what big poopyheads we are?
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You may have been around a lot longer, but
janis (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:21PM EST (link)if longevity were all it took to be smart and informed, then cockroaches have you beat hands down.
now that's funny-nt
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:25PM EST (link)Now I am feeding the troll, why I do not know?
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:49PM EST (link)the representatives of the state are elected by the people directly, Senators are not supposed to be super representatives of the state, or the state is not supposed ot be electing the party to power. Actually, the electoral college as now configured acts more like the Senators elected of old than Senate elections following the 17th amendment. So, you want to talk Constitution? Or do you really enjoy the progressive movement of the early 20th century.
How about this, asheville lib
Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:35PM EST (link)Maybe we can just install mind reading chips in everyone’s forearms, and let Barack tell us who won what when he waves his wand, huh? I am sure that seems fair, and quick to boot.
If you had any interest in fairness you would be decrying this travesty with your buddies on Kos. And to be honest, I don’t believe having ANY elected representatives from the idiots in MN is a pressing concern.
Presume much?
ashevillelib Wednesday, July 1st at 12:38AM EST (link)Is your point that MN would be better off without representation? And I did not make any reference to my preferred candidate in the race by the way.
Jub because I’m a librarian, everyone assumes I’m liberal.
yes, we presumed, sorry...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 12:43AM EST (link)I was not aware you were a librarian, now I know. Usually, we presume when we see lib on a username it means liberal, who would have guessed it meant librarian? I guess it was a matter of time before a librarian would come around. So really is lib for librarian?
Stolen Elections have Consequences
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:19PM EST (link)And Coleman, you are a linguini-spined moderate vajayjay for conceding when it ain’t done.
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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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I don't get it.
ashevillelib Tuesday, June 30th at 5:55PM EST (link)Anything like a dj?
female anatomical reference -nt-
Lammo (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 1:36AM EST (link)Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)
Losing faith in the democratic process
gonzo55 (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:28PM EST (link)In my younger days, I would have felt certain that Franken will be such a disaster that he could single-handedly tilt 2010 towards the republicans, but with Supreme Leader Obama in charge… who knows anymore…
“Facts are stubborn things” — Ronald Wilson Reagan
I feel your pain, gonzo.
scottbomb (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:44PM EST (link)I used to have faith in the American people to elect responsible grown-ups with credentials. Then came Obama and a good deal of that faith went straight out the window.
Then I had a realization. The Germans weren’t stupid nor bewitched when they elected Hitler. They were just plain fooled. It goes to show that we must never rest on our laurels and assume it can’t happen here. Soloman’s words ring just as true today as they did when he wrote them, “There is nothing new under the sun.” Vigilence!
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I lost my faith in democracy fter serving in Student Council for 3 years.
Xasteius (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 12:10PM EST (link)It all started when I noticed the similarities between Stuco and C-Span.
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At least
gonzo55 (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:29PM EST (link)we finally have someone more pathetic than our vice-president in Washington. I guess it could be a good idea for our image abroad not to have the biggest moron in town in such a prominent position…
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Franken should be made the face of the Democrat party
Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:31PM EST (link)And I look forward to the day when the people of Minnesota take their sacred right to participate in the political process seriously.
I don't think anyone has to make Franken
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:39PM EST (link)….the face of the Democrat Party, he’s more than able to do that all on his own. And IMHO none of the other 300 or so members of said Democratic Party are going to like it, in fact I’d go as far and say that this pritty much ensures a Republican comeback in 2010.
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Time for some serious election law reform in the states we control!
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:37PM EST (link)There’s going to be an all-out war in ’10 and 12 over voting registration and vote counting. We CANNOT allow the Ds, ACORN, and the unions to take away any of our states with voter fraud. It should be the highest priority in the states we control to pass the necessary legislation to require positive ID, have tracking on electronic machines, have meaningful poll watching, and to the extent the DOJ will allow us, purge the rolls of all the fake voters, dead people, and transients that Motor Voter causes. Maybe there’s time to mount some serious challenges at the USSC to VRA oversight of states’ elections and apportionment. There’s probably more, but we have an eighteen month, two legislatures, window to get this stuff done or we’re going to be invaded and conquered.
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Don't forget the coming 2010 census perfidy
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:45PM EST (link)With ACORN and like minded groups, and “statistical adjustments” we are going to see some convenient population spikes in urban and other Democratic machine-dominated areas to prepare the way for false registration – not to mention skewing the allocation of House seats to Blue states.
Don’t know if we’ll also have deliberate undercounting in Red areas – or just “statistical adjustments”.
Come 2012, we’ll be facing a whole new ballgame – if they haven’t cancelled the rest of the season by then.
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It's hard to find your way around in Flyover Country,
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:47PM EST (link)so those ACORN vans of census takers are quite likely to miss a lot of voters.
I think I need to go clean my guns!
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So Achance
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:00PM EST (link)How many ACORN chapters do you guy have to put up with, up North.
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Don't know, djemi; none here in Juneau.
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:12PM EST (link)We have our homegrown groups and affiliates of others. Lots of Greenies. Lots of public employee unions, the various PIRGs, plus we have the whole Left Coast that likes to look after things in Alaska as well. We really appreciate that since CA, OR, and WA are such stellar examples of how states should be and be run.
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So
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:32PM EST (link)You cann’t be happy about the following Ca building code Cap and Tax bs then
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From what I've seen our urban building codes
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:41PM EST (link)are as stiff or stiffer than CA’s on energy issues and ANC is a national leader in the seismic stuff. Much of the older housing in CA is simply terrible in energy terms since for so long energy was so cheap. Here, it has always been expensive in much of the state plus, you have to make the house pretty energy efficient just to be comfortable in it in this climate. Much, probably most, of the rural housing is BIA/HUD, so that’s the Fed’s problem.
If, as I’ve heard, you’ll have to bring a house to that code before you can sell it, you should be able to safely hang CongressCritters that voted for it from lamp posts Nationwide once the word gets out.
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I heard that too
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:51PM EST (link)And I can tell you that thats going to hurt more than a few poeple once it comes into effect. They have that rule over in the UK and my old man was unable to sell his house because of it, I’d love to share with everone what he had to say about that but site rules and all
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With $8/gallon (or higher) gas in 2010 thanks to Cap n'Trade
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:01PM EST (link)…there won’t be a budget for the census vehicles to travel beyond the liberal enclaves within Red states to locate “missed” citizens. And there will be plenty of “missing” citizens due to “mishaps” with the mail-in forms that never arrive. Hence the “unavoidable” necessity of “adjustments” at central HQ.
That’s one scenario, anyway.
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I thought Cap and TAX
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:05PM EST (link)didn’t come into effect until 2012, which is why I am optomistic about 2010 and all the things that we will be able to campaign on repealling
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Now way to reverse any passed legislation before 2013
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:20PM EST (link)Since there’a absolutely no way we can get at 2/3rd majority in both houses of Congress in 2010. I’m more worried about the Democrats hitting that 2/3rds threshold.
And even 2013 is a stretch, because we’d need the Presidency, 60 Senate votes and control of the House.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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With the Economy the way it is
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:30PM EST (link)and the way its going, not a chance in hell of that happening.
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Can We Bait Franken Into A Spock Like Meltdown
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:38PM EST (link)Just saw Star Trek
I’m grasping at straws here. Franken is a loon. Perhaps we could entice him into one of his angst ridden Left wing meltdowns and get some sane Demcorat like Ben Nelson to register as an indendent or a Republican.
No need to do any enticing
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:44PM EST (link)He’ll do it all by himself.
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I think we can do it without much prompting, Swamp.
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 5:47PM EST (link)Franken will melt down within a day and a half of being made fun of by Limbaugh.
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Don't worry about this 60 Senator thing.
the_invisible_hand (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:01PM EST (link)The more senators in a caucus the less they can do. You are as likely to see a pig sprout wings and fly as you are to see 60 Senators agree on things. Especially divisive things like cap and trade and a public option.
The Democrats are going to hit the wall of reality. Reality being that electing democrats in Nebraska and Virginia does not mean they will vote like Democrats from Oregon and Vermont.
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then they get elected and prove it.
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It's only Republicans who have to bend to their state's liberalism
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:09PM EST (link)…and are excused to break with the caucus to provide critical votes for the Democrats.
Democratic senators have to vote the party line – when needed – or they will lose their privileges. The more “bipartisan” Republicans go along, the easier to release the marginal Democrats to cast a meaningless vote in opposition.
Senate Republicans are about to discover what happened to the ancien regime when the Jacobins came to power and changed the club rules.
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Think of it this way: they only have 58 healthy Senators
Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 8:12PM EST (link)If they want to get to 60 on their own, they’ll have to pull Teddy Kennedy and Robert Byrd off their deathbeds to go vote.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
They Would Do It in a Heartbeat
JX12 (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 9:13PM EST (link)The Democrats play for keeps, and if they had to pull Kennedy and/or Byrd from their deathbeds to secure cloture on debate in order to pass their precious legislation, there would be no hesitation to do so. What’s more, Kennedy and Byrd would probably be only too eager to go along with it…..well, Kennedy would, anyway.
If only Republicans were as devoted to principle as Democrats are to the grab for power.
Pistols at 50 Paces
kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:03PM EST (link)I’m serious. Pawlenty shouldn’t certify him and these two should have to dispense with the lawyers and do the Hamilton-Burr thing. At least that would have some honor and panache. Otherwise this is just a legalistic anticlimax after a long and heated romance.
My true feeling is that Minnesota should put them out into a field somewhere with a couple of pistols on velvet pillows and just let them walk 50 paces and take some shots.
I’ll accept whoever survives.
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Neither can chicken out
kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:06PM EST (link)Coleman and Franken must agree to the duel or NEITHER of them will be seated.
The State of Minnesota deserves much better than what it has received. Both parties do. If their candidates won’t stand up and fight for what they want so badly at taxpayer’s expense, then both of them lose.
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It's perfect.
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:07PM EST (link)Franken will just look at the gun in dismay and wonder what the thing does.
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kowalski, when you do this do you have to say kowalski?
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:08PM EST (link)yeah, not like you probably have never got that before, huh? Sorry, I needed to try and be funny because these last two weeks have sucked.
I am officially exempt from my own nomenclature...
kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:16PM EST (link)Of course.
. But most of the time I will happily admit that I Kowalski’d myself.
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when I see your name as a poster
mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:27PM EST (link)I feel like I’m on here with a celebrity!
Well Erick did that.
kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:39PM EST (link)I try to be serious most of the time and I am in fact a real (mostly) Conservative Republican who now resides in Massachusetts (and wishes it was more R than D). But as far as the humor is concerned, and the things that accrued because of it, I thank God for letting me have it (at some point, perhaps, with a stick) and Erick for letting me get away with it.
Bob Hahn, too, who I’m very glad to see posting here again. Where’s Thomas?
I’m very humble becaus people at Redstate have let me get away with a lot over the years. Probably more than they should have, and I appreciate it.
I still affirm that Coleman and Franken need to have a duel. I really believe it would be the only honorable and prompt solution to their dispute. I just know that I’m sick of politics being drawn out for so many years. I’m sure each of them thinks they’re correct, equally adamantly, so really — let them fight it out and be done with it. Let’s put the misery and the money wasting to bed. Nobody will ever do this again for 200 years or more once the precedent is set.
Think of it. A blissful 200 year period of people who actually don’t cower behind their laywers and their respective power structures when they’re running for Senate. It just might take someone losing a duel to accomplish that in America today.
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Is Your First Name Walt? That Would Be Pretty Cool
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:32PM EST (link)My mother was half Pole and my father was half Pole. Down in the old mill cities of southeastern Massachusetts.
Walt Kowalski, maybe one of the greatest movie characters of this generation. Character resonated a lot with me.
If anyone hasnt seen, Gan Torino: Two Thumbs Way Up.
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LibRick (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:45PM EST (link)Walt “get off my lawn” Kowalski … a great character! There’s a little in Walt in all of us.
Another Sign You May Evolve Into A Conservative Yet n/t
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:48PM EST (link)nt
This is my obligatory "it is your destiny" post to LibRick...;^)...nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:56PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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I would consider it a victory
Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:58PM EST (link)When he changes his moniker to “Mod Rick”.
I would like to officially apologize to fellow RedStaters
eburke (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:06PM EST (link)I am officially embarassed to be from the state of Minnesota.
It is only of faint consolation that I may have just supplanted SwampYankee as being represented by the most pathetic, despicable, vile human being in the United States of America.
Sigh!
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Not your fault.
the_invisible_hand (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:12PM EST (link)Don’t blame yourself.
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then they get elected and prove it.
-P. J. O’Rourke
eburke, an apology just won't cut it this time.
janis (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:12PM EST (link)You owe all of us some beverages, and in a quantity that we will soon be feeling no pain. Or at least not as much as we’re feeling at the moment.
My only consolation is that Franken will be as unsuccessful at being a senator as he has been at being a comedian. Although my guess is that he’ll be funnier as a senator than he ever was in his prior profession.
janis, there aren't enuf adult beverages in the entire state
eburke (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 9:25PM EST (link)for just *me* to erase the pain and embarassment I’m enduring under the realization that I’m now represented by Al Freaking Franken, much less enough for you.
But……I’m thinkin’ we should at least *try*
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Oh, I don't know, eburke.
janis (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 9:39PM EST (link)I, for one, am a very cheap drunk. Don’t usually drink, so I have no head for it now. Two glasses of wine would find me sleeping peacefully under the table. Although if you don’t mind, I’d prefer to just be hooked up to an IV of the stuff so I don’t sober up before mid-2010.
That presupposes that we will still be a viable country at that point. If not, just crank up the IV again.
What, you didn't like the whole diaper/bunny ears thing??? (nt)
Karina (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:28PM EST (link)The new face of the Democratic Party!!!
That's probably just about the most intelligent thing he's ever done...
eburke (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 9:27PM EST (link)….unfortunately.
I gotta go find my bottle of Jack.
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I grew up in Minnesota...
nessa (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:10PM EST (link)Thank God I’m a resident of North Carolina now, we’re purple and slipping to blue but I don’t have a failed comedian, failed talk radio host, idiot for a Senator. NC also has four seasons opposed to Minnesota’s two (winter is here and winter is coming). My parents have lived there all their lives but just purchased some property in South Dakota. Dad claims he just wanted resident priveleges on hunting and fishing lisences but he admits Sen “Stuart Smalley” was a motivating factor.
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does mean they can pass whatever they want? nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:29PM EST (link)All it means is that the Dems can break a fillibuster on a party-line vote
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:36PM EST (link)What that means is that the Republicans cannot block a fillibuster by remaining united – they need at least one or more Democrats to not vote for cloture – or for them to be absent. Right now Kennedy and Byrd are absent, but if the vote were important enought, they’d probably wheel them in, as they did with the Stimulus bill.
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exactly, and given some of our GOP squishes, we were always going to have
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:40PM EST (link)to persuade a dem or two anyway. And on some of the worst policies it appears a few dems will be with us.
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Not Right Now, They Can't!!
IJB Tuesday, June 30th at 6:41PM EST (link)Until Kennedy & Byrd return, they have 58, not 60!
Right now that means, at best, they have to hold on to Specter (good luck!) or any skittish Red State Dems, and entice Snowe & Collins over to their side.
With what they’re proposing right now, they’re going to have to do *a lot* of work to get to that point…
good points - and if Byrd were unable to serve a
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:44PM EST (link)replacement would be what party? I don’t know who the gov is.
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Dem - WV Has a Dem Gov. (Surprise!)
IJB Tuesday, June 30th at 6:48PM EST (link)That said, I don’t know if the Governor appoints replacements in WV, or whether they hold a special election.
I suspect the former…
I did note that about Byrd and Kennedy
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:53PM EST (link)But again, we could see a paid plane flight if it really came down to one or two votes on a watershed bill like Cap and Trade, which will irreversibly change America.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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That Assumes They're Well Enough To Be "Wheeled In"
IJB Tuesday, June 30th at 6:57PM EST (link)Right now, I don’t think they are.
But I think in about 6 months, replacements for both will have been named.
So we’re probably kicking these cans down the road 6 months.
In the meantime, I suspect the Dems will spend their time fiddling with Single Payer…
If they can push a button
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:02PM EST (link)…with the best care money can buy, they’ll get wheeled in. Unlike the rest of us peons under ObamaCare.
Of course, if they truly are unconcious, that’s a different story.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
C_T, if they're unconscious, then they're harmless.
janis (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:11PM EST (link)It’s when they’re dead and therefore able to vote Dem that they become a threat.
So what happen if either passes
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:44PM EST (link)Do the governors of the respective States appoint a replacement just like Blogo?
“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
“With age, comes Wisdom, but only if you are paying Attention, son” my ‘Old Man’
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WV-Byrd, MA-Teddy, Replacement Lowdown; Good News
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 6:59PM EST (link)WV :
I beleive the Gov. has teh power of appointment and will elect a Dem. The good news is that the election will move from 2012 to 2010. It will be a rookie with election pressures in a Red state with a contender in the wings, Shelley Moore. So it will be a very conservative Dem vote
MA:
Special election. There is good news here too. An an election cannot occur until five months after the Senator is offically removed. Teddy will be replaced by a moonbat, but the law mandates the seat reamin empty for 5 months.
Thanks for the info nt
djemi (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:56PM EST (link)“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
“With age, comes Wisdom, but only if you are paying Attention, son” my ‘Old Man’
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You nailed it, CT
LibRick (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 7:05PM EST (link)It’s all about cloture and not a unified Dem caucus on a particular bill.
Al Franken-stein
Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 9:23PM EST (link)Soros was especially eager to be rid of Coleman
katesmith (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 9:55PM EST (link)Am. Thinker article earlier this year, Coleman did a lot to expose UN Oil for Food scandal which tarnished rep. of Soros pal Mark Malloch Brown. Franken had unlimited funds from Soros anyway as did the dem. Sec. of State whom Soros helped install. Article says Soros held a fundraiser for Franken after the election. To Soros, elections aren’t as important as counting the votes afterward. And he easily won..
I hate to say this about anybody, but Soros...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 10:07PM EST (link)needs to go away. I do not know how, but I believe he is an enemy of the United States of America. He has done everything he could to take out the United States or control it through his money.
I wish I knew that he was just trying to make a buck, but I think he has bigger aspirations than just money.
your average Democrat voter
Cheryl (Diary) Tuesday, June 30th at 10:27PM EST (link)has never heard of Soros, I found that out pre election last fall.
“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America, than the whole force of the common enemy.” –Samuel Adams
“The administrative state has inserted its big paws into our houses, from the toilet bowl to the light socket. Now if it would just stretch those paws from the one to the other at the same time, we might begin to recapture the spirit of ’76.” –Scott Johnson, Powerlineblog.com
What's scary is...how indifferent our MSM is to this
smagar (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 8:49AM EST (link)Soros took out the Senator who did more than anybody (besides Claudia Rosett) to expose Oil For Food.
Doesn’t the MSM know that? Don’t they care?
Perhaps they’re scared of Soros. Or, they’re so totally committed to the Democratic Party that they don’t care.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Now it's time to investigate all those votes in Minnesota
smagar (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 12:27AM EST (link)Before the 2010 election rolls around, we should be able to find enough evidence to prove that:
1) Franken is Minnesota’s Senator because the dead voted him in.
2) Sec State Mark ACORN Ritchie oversaw a voting system that invited voter fraud—and I suspect that was his plan.
We should be able to prove, convincingly, that (as Paul Mirengoff wrote) Norm Coleman won the majority of legally-cast votes in Minnesota.
We should also be able to prove that the partisan Minnesota media enabled voter fraud by being indifferent to the Dems’ shenanigans. Why was the Minnesota media indifferent? We know why: they wanted Franken to win.
If Minnesota’s DFL and MSM are comfortable with voter fraud, then it’s time to tell the people of Minnesota about it.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
In Arizona, your vote means something
smagar (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 8:44AM EST (link)We check photo IDs here before you vote.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Prepare for a LOT of positive MSM coverage of Franken
smagar (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 8:46AM EST (link)They now need to rehabilitate him.
The Minnesota media will also chant “Let’s move on,” and try to forget the electoral shenanigans that elected Franken.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Well, here in MN we allow you to register at the polls
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 10:19AM EST (link)on election day. No potential for fraud there at all.
Nothing to see here folks, just move along.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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No more can the Secretary of State elections be taken for granted
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 10:18AM EST (link)by the population in general or conservatives in particular. With the advent of ‘voter advocacy’ groups like ACORN, this is not longer just a paper-pushing position.
SoS Ritchie was endorsed, bought and paid for by ACORN and their ilk and he delivered big-time. If Ruth Kipfmiller had been reelected our Secretary of State, I wouldn’t have to be sitting here looking for my bottle of Jack and a long straw right now.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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funny you mention that eburke...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 10:26AM EST (link)I just wrote a diary about the Vermont Sect of State race in 2010. Stop by and share your thoughts here
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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I blame Coleman for playing by the "moderate's" Marquess of Queensbury rules ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, July 1st at 10:54AM EST (link)His victory was stolen from him in broad daylight and he did nothing while it was happening. Like a typical “moderate” he just stood by and made “Bipartisan” noises until Mark Ritchie and Franken’s lawyers were able to snatch victory for Franken from the jaws of defeat.
That neither the NRSC, MNGOP, nor his own campaign could find the fighting spirit within themselves to kick up a fuss and inundate Minnesota’s airwaves with attacks on the thieving Ritchie and his so-called “Bipartisan” canvassing board is beyond shameful.
Republicans need to get over this fear of Press criticism and “controversy”. We need to stop patting ourselves on the back for being “better than them” – it is stupid to bring just a knife to a knife fight when you know your opponent is bringing an Uzi.
Defining Democracy Down
blooch Wednesday, July 1st at 12:50PM EST (link)We’re watching the defining of democracy down, one lightweight mediocrity at a time. Congress and the Senate have always had their share of buffoons and crooks, but the pace seems to be accelerating. With the nomination of Sotomayor to the SC, Obama seems to be determined to send that branch further into territory where it also cannot be taken seriously and will only serve as an authoritarian rubber-stamp.
Obama if fine with all of this. As the other two branches squander their power and prestige, his executive branch looks that much better in comparison, when viewed by an uncritical media and disinterested electorate.
Come on, America. Quit sending people to DC–of either party–who will not question or oppose any of Obama’s ambition. He doesn’t like checks and balances.
Franken shouldn’t have ever been close, but it can’t be helped now. He was elected long ago in a different age. The only thing that matters is that both he and Obama are gone by 2016 at the latest. Minnesotans, at least do your part in 2014…preferably, starting in 2012.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”