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		<title>By: redneck_hippie</title>
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		<dc:creator>redneck_hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Symbolism is important, and if we get rid of this clown somehow, I hope that butt-kissing bow is his legacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Symbolism is important, and if we get rid of this clown somehow, I hope that butt-kissing bow is his legacy.</p>
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		<title>By: archer52</title>
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		<dc:creator>archer52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used your article to base some of my comments on my site.  
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Redstate has written a good background article on the Honduras situation. In a comment below the article there is a link to more stories. You should read them. The march to socialism in Honduras was pushed by Chavez. Now we have Clinton and Obama backing the ex-president.

Strange bedfellows and a message of caution.

Update from Hot Air:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/29/coups-interference-and-the-shifting-standards-of-obama/

It seems we meddle when meddling suits Obama and his drive for socialist dictators to be put in place in this hemisphere.  Hotair acts surprised, but either they are being coy or they are simply not getting, yet.  Obama is a dictator in waiting, doing his best to undermine our nation in the same fashion of Chavez and other socialist dictators in Central and South America.

It is funny how the MSM used to complain about how communist controlled media would spout the party line and refuse to report the truth of what is happening.  Now we see our own media becoming a government organ and I stand in horror over the prospect that we are sprinting down the same path as our lesser cousins.  It is funny in a way that as “civilized” as we claim to be, the people of Honduras seem to get it right, and we can’t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used your article to base some of my comments on my site.<br />
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<p>Redstate has written a good background article on the Honduras situation. In a comment below the article there is a link to more stories. You should read them. The march to socialism in Honduras was pushed by Chavez. Now we have Clinton and Obama backing the ex-president.</p>
<p>Strange bedfellows and a message of caution.</p>
<p>Update from Hot Air:</p>
<p>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/29/coups-interference-and-the-shifting-standards-of-obama/</p>
<p>It seems we meddle when meddling suits Obama and his drive for socialist dictators to be put in place in this hemisphere.  Hotair acts surprised, but either they are being coy or they are simply not getting, yet.  Obama is a dictator in waiting, doing his best to undermine our nation in the same fashion of Chavez and other socialist dictators in Central and South America.</p>
<p>It is funny how the MSM used to complain about how communist controlled media would spout the party line and refuse to report the truth of what is happening.  Now we see our own media becoming a government organ and I stand in horror over the prospect that we are sprinting down the same path as our lesser cousins.  It is funny in a way that as “civilized” as we claim to be, the people of Honduras seem to get it right, and we can’t.</p>
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		<title>By: hmtksteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmtksteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRANSLATION - Article 239.- The citizen that has been the head of the Executive Branch cannot be President or Vice-President again. 
Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRANSLATION &#8211; Article 239.- The citizen that has been the head of the Executive Branch cannot be President or Vice-President again.<br />
Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus_Traianus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus_Traianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any person with cursory knowledge of Latin American affairs will see Obama&#039;s policy as a grotesque democratic miscalculation. He can try to hide behind the opaque veneer of Hillary&#039;s skirt, but nobody I know is buying the deflection.

If anything, American&#039;s should be troubled by Mr. Obama&#039;s refusal to support nascent democratic movements which are grounded in an innate human quest for freedom and in the case of Honduras, basic constitutional principals. 

Like Iran, Mr. Obama and his administration are now on record, twice, opposing the basic precepts of free societies. He has signaled that American support for democracy has now taken a back seat to supporting dictatorships, theocracy&#039;s, oligarchies and any challenge to the state&#039;s power. 

What a sad day it is for our country and those around the world with aspirations for freedom when their primary benefactor becomes one of the opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any person with cursory knowledge of Latin American affairs will see Obama&#8217;s policy as a grotesque democratic miscalculation. He can try to hide behind the opaque veneer of Hillary&#8217;s skirt, but nobody I know is buying the deflection.</p>
<p>If anything, American&#8217;s should be troubled by Mr. Obama&#8217;s refusal to support nascent democratic movements which are grounded in an innate human quest for freedom and in the case of Honduras, basic constitutional principals. </p>
<p>Like Iran, Mr. Obama and his administration are now on record, twice, opposing the basic precepts of free societies. He has signaled that American support for democracy has now taken a back seat to supporting dictatorships, theocracy&#8217;s, oligarchies and any challenge to the state&#8217;s power. </p>
<p>What a sad day it is for our country and those around the world with aspirations for freedom when their primary benefactor becomes one of the opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: NateD</title>
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		<dc:creator>NateD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so after cap and tax, Healthcare, and Stimulus Part Deux; is congress looking to repeal the 2 term restrictions on the Presidency so the &quot;ONE&quot; can bless us with his abilities to &quot;Rebuild&quot; America in his image?

I can&#039;t help but feel optimism personally I think the Pendulum is gonna start swingin the other way soon, BHO can&#039;t possibly mount a comeback in 2012.  While I dont wish for our military to orchestrate the removal of a sitting president, I&#039;m hoping we have our own &quot;Coup&quot; at the ballot box come 2010-2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so after cap and tax, Healthcare, and Stimulus Part Deux; is congress looking to repeal the 2 term restrictions on the Presidency so the &#8220;ONE&#8221; can bless us with his abilities to &#8220;Rebuild&#8221; America in his image?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but feel optimism personally I think the Pendulum is gonna start swingin the other way soon, BHO can&#8217;t possibly mount a comeback in 2012.  While I dont wish for our military to orchestrate the removal of a sitting president, I&#8217;m hoping we have our own &#8220;Coup&#8221; at the ballot box come 2010-2012.</p>
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		<title>By: Xasteius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xasteius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note also the groups Zelaya calls on to protest his removal.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The ousted president called on unions, workers and peasant and indigenous organizations to demonstrate peacefully for his return. &quot;I ask the people of Honduras to be calm, but for them to defend their democracy and rights,&quot; he (Zelaya) said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If this were the US, it would be &quot;unions, La Raza, ACORN, and NOW.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note also the groups Zelaya calls on to protest his removal.</p>
<blockquote><p>The ousted president called on unions, workers and peasant and indigenous organizations to demonstrate peacefully for his return. &#8220;I ask the people of Honduras to be calm, but for them to defend their democracy and rights,&#8221; he (Zelaya) said.</p></blockquote>
<p>If this were the US, it would be &#8220;unions, La Raza, ACORN, and NOW.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tanggor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanggor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Honduran President was detained and removed via a legitimate court order due to that President&#039;s insistence on violating their constitution.

A legitimate court order.

Hey!

How can WE get one of those?  Do they have an extra one we could borrow?

The whole situation sounds a lot like home...

I&#039;d love to see Obambi frog-marched out of the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Honduran President was detained and removed via a legitimate court order due to that President&#8217;s insistence on violating their constitution.</p>
<p>A legitimate court order.</p>
<p>Hey!</p>
<p>How can WE get one of those?  Do they have an extra one we could borrow?</p>
<p>The whole situation sounds a lot like home&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see Obambi frog-marched out of the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: DerKrieger</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerKrieger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So says...the WSJ 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623134986666161.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So says&#8230;the WSJ </p>
<p>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623134986666161.html</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who do you think kept the Honduran Military trained?
Answer: Not Barack Obama.
Countries like Honduras do not want to fall into the leftisit trap.
They know Obama is dangerous. Maybe they will help free us someday.

http://www.ngb.army.mil/news/archives/2007/09/092107-Honduras_TexasNG.aspx

SOTO CANO AIR BASE, Honduras (9/21/2007) - Airborne infantrymen from the Texas Army National Guard’s 36th Infantry Division shared their small weapons training expertise with an elite group of Honduran military professionals on Sept. 11-13.

After two days of aiming at targets, paratroopers from both countries aimed at something much larger: the terra firma lying 1,500 feet below them.

Members of the 143rd Infantry Detachment (Long Range Surveillance) supported one of the training and mentoring programs of U.S. Army South (USARSO) by joining their Honduran counterparts for weapons familiarization and urban infantry tactics to enhance their skills. Repetitive training benefits not only students, but also instructors and demonstrators.

Plans officer Maj. Clarence Henderson said he expects USARSO’s small unit familiarization program (SUFP) to gain momentum next year under the leadership of Col. Rick R. Riera, USARSO’s director of operations, who is a strong supporter of multinational training.

The SUFP pairs U.S. Soldiers with those from Central and South America partnership nations to foster an environment of mutual learning, respect and familiarity with their brothers-in-arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who do you think kept the Honduran Military trained?<br />
Answer: Not Barack Obama.<br />
Countries like Honduras do not want to fall into the leftisit trap.<br />
They know Obama is dangerous. Maybe they will help free us someday.</p>
<p>http://www.ngb.army.mil/news/archives/2007/09/092107-Honduras_TexasNG.aspx</p>
<p>SOTO CANO AIR BASE, Honduras (9/21/2007) &#8211; Airborne infantrymen from the Texas Army National Guard’s 36th Infantry Division shared their small weapons training expertise with an elite group of Honduran military professionals on Sept. 11-13.</p>
<p>After two days of aiming at targets, paratroopers from both countries aimed at something much larger: the terra firma lying 1,500 feet below them.</p>
<p>Members of the 143rd Infantry Detachment (Long Range Surveillance) supported one of the training and mentoring programs of U.S. Army South (USARSO) by joining their Honduran counterparts for weapons familiarization and urban infantry tactics to enhance their skills. Repetitive training benefits not only students, but also instructors and demonstrators.</p>
<p>Plans officer Maj. Clarence Henderson said he expects USARSO’s small unit familiarization program (SUFP) to gain momentum next year under the leadership of Col. Rick R. Riera, USARSO’s director of operations, who is a strong supporter of multinational training.</p>
<p>The SUFP pairs U.S. Soldiers with those from Central and South America partnership nations to foster an environment of mutual learning, respect and familiarity with their brothers-in-arms.</p>
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		<title>By: paulincolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulincolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama doesn&#039;t support the fight for freedom in Iran against muslim fascists, but then turns around and immediately supports a leftist in Honduras seeking to be dictator for life.  Gee, its almost as if those rumors of being a socialist and muslim were true.  Nah, couldn&#039;t be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama doesn&#8217;t support the fight for freedom in Iran against muslim fascists, but then turns around and immediately supports a leftist in Honduras seeking to be dictator for life.  Gee, its almost as if those rumors of being a socialist and muslim were true.  Nah, couldn&#8217;t be.</p>
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		<title>By: Tbone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>subjected to laws with which he doesn&#039;t agree. &quot;Peas in a pod&quot; comes to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>subjected to laws with which he doesn&#8217;t agree. &#8220;Peas in a pod&#8221; comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: archer52</title>
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		<dc:creator>archer52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commented earlier on this on my website; www.truthandcommonsense.com

Here is what I said.
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Sometimes it is just so obvious you have to say something
Posted June 28th, 2009 by admin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8123126.stm

    * Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, blamed “the Yankee empire”, and threatened military action should the Venezuelan ambassador to Honduras be attacked; President Evo Morales of Bolivia described Mr Zelaya’s removal as “an assault on democracy”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/28/obama-calls-order-military-arrests-honduran-president/

      Zelaya, in a move similar to his ally, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, had wanted to overturn the law that prohibited him from seeking another term in office. He called the arrest a “coup” and a “kidnapping.”

     “I am deeply concerned by reports coming out of Honduras regarding the detention and expulsion of President Mel Zelaya,” Obama said in a written statement.
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Obama should be.  Zelaya was attempting to re-write his country’s constitution in order to run for another term (and another, and another).  This desire to gain and keep control over the people runs through all of those who want to rule.  It is human nature.  The Honduras Supreme Court ruled that he could not do it, and he decided to try anyway.  His problem was the military had enough guns and apparently the guts to say “enough is enough.”    It must give anyone, from ANY country pause when they realize if they violate the laws of their nation’s constitution somebody might come along and give them a short plane ride to another country (or worse!).

There are a number of “leaders” across the world who seem intent on remaking their nation and driving socialism or even a dictatorship over the bodies of their citizens like a tank.  Again, I wonder if Biden’s statement was that of soothsayer when he said Obama would face challenges soon after he took office, or did Obama send a quiet message to all of those who seek dictatorships that “all is well.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented earlier on this on my website; www.truthandcommonsense.com</p>
<p>Here is what I said.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Sometimes it is just so obvious you have to say something<br />
Posted June 28th, 2009 by admin</p>
<p>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8123126.stm</p>
<p>    * Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, blamed “the Yankee empire”, and threatened military action should the Venezuelan ambassador to Honduras be attacked; President Evo Morales of Bolivia described Mr Zelaya’s removal as “an assault on democracy”</p>
<p>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/28/obama-calls-order-military-arrests-honduran-president/</p>
<p>      Zelaya, in a move similar to his ally, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, had wanted to overturn the law that prohibited him from seeking another term in office. He called the arrest a “coup” and a “kidnapping.”</p>
<p>     “I am deeply concerned by reports coming out of Honduras regarding the detention and expulsion of President Mel Zelaya,” Obama said in a written statement.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Obama should be.  Zelaya was attempting to re-write his country’s constitution in order to run for another term (and another, and another).  This desire to gain and keep control over the people runs through all of those who want to rule.  It is human nature.  The Honduras Supreme Court ruled that he could not do it, and he decided to try anyway.  His problem was the military had enough guns and apparently the guts to say “enough is enough.”    It must give anyone, from ANY country pause when they realize if they violate the laws of their nation’s constitution somebody might come along and give them a short plane ride to another country (or worse!).</p>
<p>There are a number of “leaders” across the world who seem intent on remaking their nation and driving socialism or even a dictatorship over the bodies of their citizens like a tank.  Again, I wonder if Biden’s statement was that of soothsayer when he said Obama would face challenges soon after he took office, or did Obama send a quiet message to all of those who seek dictatorships that “all is well.”</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...is against the Israeli government. They are determined to force Israel to surrender it&#039;s territory and will utilize the divisions between the multiple parties to install a regime to its liking.

Apparently it&#039;s only our allies whose government our adminstration wants to overthrow. Then again, it&#039;s looking like we&#039;re switching sides.

Or is it (Jewish) blood for oil? Perhaps it&#039;s time we borrow a hoary slogan from the left&#039;s playbook...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;is against the Israeli government. They are determined to force Israel to surrender it&#8217;s territory and will utilize the divisions between the multiple parties to install a regime to its liking.</p>
<p>Apparently it&#8217;s only our allies whose government our adminstration wants to overthrow. Then again, it&#8217;s looking like we&#8217;re switching sides.</p>
<p>Or is it (Jewish) blood for oil? Perhaps it&#8217;s time we borrow a hoary slogan from the left&#8217;s playbook&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last I heard, Hillary is telling Chavez he can&#039;t use those 5,000 centrifuges to make Hamas agree to not expand their territory to include whatever square mile of ocean a nuke-carrying ship happens to be sailing.

Meanwhile, at the putting green, good ol&#039; President Jihadist is talking with VP Footinmouth about Teh Eeeeevil Jooooooooooos and how they must give up all territory in Brooklyn and Miami Beach before the French can surrender to The Dali Lama.

.... or something like that.


See how easy this gets ?

 ;)

Cheers !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I heard, Hillary is telling Chavez he can&#8217;t use those 5,000 centrifuges to make Hamas agree to not expand their territory to include whatever square mile of ocean a nuke-carrying ship happens to be sailing.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, at the putting green, good ol&#8217; President Jihadist is talking with VP Footinmouth about Teh Eeeeevil Jooooooooooos and how they must give up all territory in Brooklyn and Miami Beach before the French can surrender to The Dali Lama.</p>
<p>&#8230;. or something like that.</p>
<p>See how easy this gets ?</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers !</p>
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