Even for the sake of argument, I’ll never concede that waterboarding is torture; however, I would like to see the MSM ask each and every Democrat if they consider caterpillars and sleep deprivation as detailed in the released interrogation memos to be torture. Further, if Rockefeller, Harman, (and Pelosi) “only” objected to waterboarding, but were also briefed on non waterboarding EITs, there *may* be some fallout from the Soros crowd. MoveOn.org certainly won’t embrace conservatives, but maybe they’ll eat their own.

I know the Democrats in Congress would try to slither out of the question, but I have to believe that most Americans who get their news from sound-bites and believe waterboarding is torture would also insist that the use of caterpillars and sleep deprivation is definitely not torture. We’ll never win-over the hate-America crowd, but there are a lot of moderates out there who just don’t know any better, believe waterboarding is torture, and can be won-over in time.

Thanks for the link. Until today, I always searched Google with (e.g.,) “www. redstate.com” and “[keyword]” which was never that productive. Those days are now over! Adding in “site: [colon]” (as you did) refines the search perfectly. Where were you the last few years when I needed your help with various research projects?

Even for the sake of argument, I’ll never concede that waterboarding is torture; however, I would like to see the MSM ask each and every Democrat if they consider caterpillars and sleep deprivation as detailed in the released interrogation memos to be torture. Further, if Rockefeller, Harman, (and Pelosi) “only” objected to waterboarding, but were also briefed on non waterboarding EITs, there *may* be some fallout from the Soros crowd. MoveOn.org certainly won’t embrace conservatives, but maybe they’ll eat their own.

I know the Democrats in Congress would try to slither out of the question, but I have to believe that most Americans who get their news from sound-bites and believe waterboarding is torture would also insist that the use of caterpillars and sleep deprivation is definitely not torture. We’ll never win-over the hate-America crowd, but there are a lot of moderates out there who just don’t know any better, believe waterboarding is torture, and can be won-over in time.

Thanks for the link. Until today, I always searched Google with (e.g.,) “www. redstate.com” and “[keyword]” which was never that productive. Those days are now over! Adding in “site: [colon]” (as you did) refines the search perfectly. Where were you the last few years when I needed your help with various research projects?

The bottom line – slapping someone: not torture. Panties on the head: not torture. Caterpillars in your cell: not torture. Loud music? People pay to have their brain bombarded with a wall of sound. Walling: sounds scary, but not torture. Water boarding, while decidedly unpleasant: not torture in the real world sense of the term.

The inability to differentiate between actual torture and what used to be known as “the third degree” is either the result of our culture’s embrace of relativity and/or an extension of the moronic “zero-tolerance” policy blithely adopted by schools and other organizations towards alcohol, drugs and weapons.

Zero-tolerance programs require zero judgment. Here any transgression of a policy, law, or regulation is unacceptable and will be dealt with identically, whether a major or minor transgression and regardless of extenuating circumstances. Bureaucrats love this idiotic policy because it makes their life easy, and they feel noble at the same time.

Not being able to differentiate between extremely unpleasant interrogations and torture is axiomatic of a hyperbolic culture that relies on cut and dried guidelines of politically correct thinking and speaking to navigate through all levels of social discourse.

The elite left has determined what qualifies as torture, and they have a zero-tolerance for anything that falls within their definition. No extenuating circumstances – such as 14th century barbarians at the gate who want to kill us, or Justice department opinions that disagree with theirs– will change their minds. They’re better than that.

Hypocrites.

If Rockerfeller, Harmen, and those who rose to object for political purposes well after-the-fact, including Pelosi, solely objected to waterboarding, I would this this indicates they did not believe the use of catepillars, sleep deprivation, etc., is considered torture.

I will enjoy helping them learn how to load square bales in the loft of a barn in July.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM119_090507_eitbriefings.html.

This is the CIA re-enacting their behavior during the Valerie Plame affair, with a different administration.

For anyone who believes that the consistent one topic entries which mention EIT and/or waterboarding is the actual full and accurate list of topics I have some great property in the Inland Empire to sell you at 2006 prices.

This is the CIA pursuing their own agenda to protect themselves when in fact they don’t need to.

Given that the only other attendee in the Pelosi meeting was Porter Goss (later CIA director) we are left with a modified he said/she said.

My question to the readers is “Does anyone know if there is an actual transcript or recording of each meeting?” because I can’t discern the truth from the unclassified document and absolutely find unconvincing. Just curious to know if some day we may actually be able to tell who is being truthful.

I expect more from Fox.

For anyone looking on, here again is the link: RedState water-boarding Diaries.

I’ve burned up a ton of bandwidth over the last year criticizing GWB for hiding under his desk for the last five years. My response to your comment was a snarky reference to Erick and Moe that you were not a Becker sock puppet.

And as I noted above, you are right on target.

As far as to link or not to link…RedState is full of material for those who choose to read it.