(HT: Hot Air Headlines) In the process of trying to ‘convince’ the President to not re-energize the Right by starting witch hunts over interrogation – and in the process of mischaracterizing a largely Democratic party-spawned complaint over AIG bonuses as ‘populist’ – David Broder quite accidentally said something foolish:
Obama, to his credit, has ended one of the darkest chapters of American history, when certain terrorist suspects were whisked off to secret prisons and subjected to waterboarding and other forms of painful coercion in hopes of extracting information about threats to the United States.
That’s not even in the top ten. I came up with the list below the fold in about five minutes, and I bet that someone with more than a heavy minor in history could do even better.
- Post Revolutionary-War Tory reprisals. 10% of the Loyalist population had to flee; 2% of the population overall. Let’s not even talk about how bad things got during the Revolution itself.
- Trail of Tears. This is where we start talking about things like ‘mass deaths’ when the topic of ‘dark times in American history’ comes up. I could get another ten entries from the Indian Wars in general, too.
- Mexican-American War. I’m not giving back California, but this is what an imperialistic war for resources looks like.
- Post-Reconstruction abandonment of African-Americans. Equal-opportunity betrayal there, alas.
- Nineteenth Century anti-labor reprisals. Definition of a high-danger job: “labor organizer of coal miners.” If I had lived back then, I’d rather would have risked getting black lung.
- Philippine Insurrection. You did know that we promised them independence when we conquered the place, yes?
- Public acceptance of the Ku Klux Klan, 1920s. Awkward, that.
- Bonus Riots. Bayonets and tear gas against unemployed war veterans.
- Abandonment of Eastern Europe, post World War II. I’m sure that it seemed a wonderful notion at the time.
- Abandonment of South Vietnam. No, I’m not going to forgive the Democrats for that one.
- Abandonment of Iraqi rebels, post Gulf War I. No, I’m not going to forgive George H. W. Bush for that one, either.
So now that we’ve had our review, David: would you please stop pandering to the prejudices and rationalizations of your liberal readers like this? You’re still ostensibly a conservative, which means that you’re still expected to demonstrate a knowledge of American history that exceeds that of a very bright fifth-grader.
Moe Lane
Crossposted to Moe Lane.
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Excuse me, but
SunDogII Sunday, April 26th at 12:29PM EST (link)Where did the idea that David Broder was a conservative come from?
I said 'ostensibly.' [NT]
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Broder is one of the "conservative" columnists
WarEagle01 (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:52PM EST (link)whose sole purpose is to allow left wing publications to say that they have a conservative columnist without all the muss and fuss of actually having a conservative columnist.
“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg
“The alternative to the awful extremity of abortion is the indispensable joy of introducing this flawed world to someone who might make it better.”–John Hayward (AKA Dr. Zero)
That is a fine description
Flagstaff (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:39PM EST (link)of Broder’s place in society.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Broder Victim of 'Liberal' Education
Ron Robinson (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 12:37PM EST (link)Of course, it’s not his fault. We have allowed the NEA to educate at least 2 generations of our young according to leftist principles. Broder os obviously a victim of that sort of education. This is probably not hyperbole – his view of history probably justifies his remarks fully.
A few months ago, when I asked my 11 year old son where rights come from, he didn’t hesitate for even one second: ‘the government,’ he said. I straightened him out fast, but it’s a slow process. Last night when I asked again, he said ‘the declaration of independence’ – I gave him 1/4 credit for that answer since that document does correctly give us the right answer.
My son goes to school in the people’s Republic of Santa Monica.
This is what we get when we neglect the education of our children and allow our most ‘prestigious’ institutions to lead the way in that neglect.
Not only do we end up with public servants and opinion leaders who are seriously challenged by everyday life, we end up with fewer friends who can authoritatively challenge them when they are wrong.
Hey, it’s only history! It’s only government.
It’s only our lives.
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mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 12:50PM EST (link)History class is boring
Michael DeWeese (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:08PM EST (link)This meme alone acounts for the lack of knowledge in our population.
More 1st person stories of the danger and action in the events of history could help dispell that meme, if taught in school alongside the dates. Nothing sticks to your brain like a good story.
Brain Dead Republican
History is taught in a boring manner is more the case.
Achance (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:34PM EST (link)Nobody much becomes a “History major” because that and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee. The undergrad History major is going on to be an academic Historian with a Ph.D who will stay in academia unless he becomes a very successful writer, and maybe even then. Those people become very highly specialized but are often sentenced to teaching undergrad History classes and do it with a notable lack of enthusiasm or more commonly show up for the first class and turn it over to their TA. K-12 Teachers are Education majors who might have had a little extra History. Most actually teaching out there these days have not had any academic subject matter courses to speak of beyond the Sophomore level. The undergrad Ed Major has a lot of pedagogy and usually just the minimum required courses in other subjects. Even teachers with advanced degrees have those degrees almost exclusively in something related to “teaching” not to academic knowledge.
In Vino Veritas
Yea
Michael DeWeese (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:57PM EST (link)It isn’t being taught in an exciting manner. Add some well written short stories or novels to the curriculum. Have the students play act scenes from the arguements to write the Declaration of Independance and Bill of Rights. Destroy the meme that History Class is boring.
Brain Dead Republican
I now am doing some substitute teaching.
Flagstaff (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:48PM EST (link)Last week I was in a 12th grade English class, who were preparing an “exhibit” about the Viet Nam war. Having been there in person, I offered to answer questions any of them had for me. Only two kids were inquisitive at all, and they weren’t interested in much. I think they were picking up some extra credit from me.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Moe: Master of Zing!
John E. (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:15PM EST (link)Take heart ye weary hearted.
Despair not though you are surrounded by fools.
Mighty Moe, Master of Zing will show you how the mighty fools are dispatched.
We don't teach history anymore
cannedjam (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:18PM EST (link)Im guessing splashing some water on a terrorist’s face ranks higher on the list then say interning thousands of Japanese Americans during WWII – or the CIA testing LSD on unsuspecting subjects – or the entire state of law enforcement interrogation techniques prior to 1980 – or perhaps the institution of slavery -
You know come to think about it when my older brother, as a kid, used to repeatedly dunk and hold my head under the water in the pool, that was a pretty dark chapter in American history too
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I can add a few
streiff (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:23PM EST (link)Forcible removal of residents of the Blue Ridge Mountains to create the Shenandoah Naitonal Park.
Forcing the Plains Indians onto reservations.
To add to the category of labor difficulties, the Pullman strike, bombing miners at Blair Mountain, machinegunning miners at Ludlow, CO.
The ever popular removal of Japanese from the West Coast in 1942.
Broder is just a shill.
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Skanderbeg (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:54PM EST (link)Hey, self-flagellation is fun….
o American aggression against Canada – 1775 AND 1812.
o The “discontinuing” of four towns in western Massachusetts in the early 1930s for the creation of what’s now the Quabbin Reservoir – both to provide far-away Boston with good drinking water AND to make work a la FDR and all that.
(There are reservoirs all over the place from the FDR era where people were kicked off their valley farms so that dams could be built and reservoirs created – both for drinking water and/or flood control.)
They even made a movie about
Flagstaff (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:52PM EST (link)the displacement brought about by the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA).
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
The whole TVA was as much a relocation program
Achance (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:59PM EST (link)as an energy program.
In Vino Veritas
Too bad we can't just turn into bald eagles
David123 (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 3:06PM EST (link)and get really strong property rights.
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That and flood control. nt
Flagstaff (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 3:14PM EST (link)“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Each time I read some leftist pontificator no matter how exalted
davo119 Sunday, April 26th at 2:22PM EST (link)I suffer an attack of cognitive dissonance, “Can (fill in the name) possibly believe this is true???!!!.” followed by, “How can (fill in the name) lie through his teeth like this???!!!.
Then my eyes start rolling around and my brain goes, “woo woo woo”.
So I try to stay away from them.
Never give in! Never! Never! Never!
let's get backto Liz Cheney...
larryp Sunday, April 26th at 2:34PM EST (link)dismantling Norah O’Donnell. Too bad Norah and her mother are such babes.
Their heads are fill o’ mush. So Is Broder- full o’ mush.
mistaken
Michael DeWeese (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 3:03PM EST (link)You are mistaken, a well known and popular pundit site established without a doubt that Norah the Prophet of the One completely and utterly destroyed the spawn of the Vader.
Wait, didn’t the spawn of the Vader restore the Light Side of the Force to the Universe?
Liz Cheney, Jedi Knight.
Brain Dead Republican
Since he's talking about ...
skorrent1 (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 3:10PM EST (link)US treatment of captives under wartime conditions, I’m not sure this ranks in the top 5 in even this narrow category. I can think immediately of the treatment of Confederate POWs, followed by Tory/Brit captives. Then there’s killing Indian leaders under a flag of truce, and Operation Keelhaul. I could probably come up with a half-a-dozen more given time.
This is not to blacken the reputation of the US, only to suggest that war is a very stressful time, and to measure historical wartime actions by a modern, humanitarian, peacetime standard is rediculous.
This has a lot of
trki (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 3:19PM EST (link)implacations.If they start at the top and put these people in jail for their decions where will we go from there?
Will we start putting police in jail for sleep depervation?
Will we put teachers in jail for putting kids in time out?
Will we put preachers in jail for preaching?
Will we put everyday people in jail for stating their opinion?
YES YES YES YES.
9\11 Bin Laden said “We will beat you with your own laws”.
You might want to look around people.
Norah O'Donnell got owned
cannedjam (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 6:48PM EST (link)what’s funny is that people on some lefty blogs are asserting that it was in fact cheney who’s ass was handed to her. Some insight by clicking the link in my sig.
But really getting back to my brother dunking me in the pool when I was 6 – what is the statute of limitations on torture? I’ll have to double check if he signed the Geneva Convention but I am sure if I get a good enough lawyer… or hell maybe Norah can represent me.
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Protecting Americans is Bad?
Dencal26 Sunday, April 26th at 8:43PM EST (link)Many ” Experts” on the left are claiming there is no evidence that waterboarding resulted in acquisition of information which stopped an attack. They claim other means may have been responsible. So lets examine what other tactics could have coerced this major Al Qaida mastermind to spill his guts.
They threatened him with arranged marriage to Octomom.
1) They made him wear a panty hat. But the panties were pre worn by Helen Thomas?
2) He would be judged in a beauty pageant by Perez Hilton
3) He was told he would be treated like a Somalian Teen Pirate
4) He was told the Tuzla snipers were after him
5) He was threatened with an Audit by Tim Geithner?
6) They threatened to move detainees to Detroit and close Gitmo if he didn’t talk.
7) The told him Keith Olbermann would place him on the WORST PERSON list
9) They told him if he didn’t talk he would be sent to Neverland Ranch for a week with Jacko.
So just what other tactics got him to speak is a secret I guess.
May I Add to the List
Joe Cor (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 9:13PM EST (link)The Terri Schiavo “how-dare-anyone-lift-a-finger-to-intervene” insanity, 2005. Whether you agree or disagree with the Federal attempt to intervene, the national rage against those daring to be concerned over the the life of an innocent, defenseless woman, and trying to prevent her being starved and dehydrated to death, was disgusting. The national reaction sickened me. There was a case of real torture.
How about vileness in wartime...
Lamplighter331 (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 11:01AM EST (link)Mr. Broder seems to forget the forced detention of American-born citizens in concentration camps (Japanese-Americans) by that paramour of liberal virtue, FDR.
I mean, classifying natural and naturalized citizens as enemies based solely on race??? Hmmm, but I thought Libs knew how to fight wars the right way.
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“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
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