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	<title>Comments on: The difference between &#8216;libertarian&#8217; and &#8216;liberal,&#8217; courtesy of Harry Reid.</title>
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		<title>By: swglaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>swglaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More evidence for the true believers that the tax system is voluntary.  Reid&#039;s bumbling about, if widely disseminated, will confirm the mistaken views of lots of tax protestors.  Sure, he said you can&#039;t get away with it,  but listen to him.  His bumbling is so bad, he must be &quot;in the know&quot; and covering up, because he has to.  People will go to jail, in part, because of Reid&#039;s failure to a) recognize the distinction between forced taxation and voluntary compliance; and b) acknowledge that the government TAKES taxes whether its citizens think it is a good idea or not.

The phrase &quot;our system is based upon voluntary compliance&quot; has led more people to jail and ruin than any other ever propogated by government.  Whoever came up with that ludicrous phrase really ought to be shot, drawn and quartered, tarred and feathered, and forced to listen to an endless loop of Barry Manilow muzak while to chained to a prison cell somewhere in Central America.  Of course, what was meant, was that the U.S. relies on its citizens voluntarily COMPLYING with the law, in that it would be difficult to force everyone to comply.  This is why we have income withholding.  If the taxpayers themselves had to write out the checks to the government every payday, we would have revolt.  But you can&#039;t miss what you don&#039;t see.

Unfortunately, some see that &quot;voluntary&quot; language and think, &quot;Well, I&#039;ll just unvolunteer.&quot;  And then they incur huge penalties, ruining them financially, tearing apart their families, and possibly even jail - thereby losing their livelihoods and any possibility of paying their debt.  And then we have Dingy Harry coming out with a thoroughly pathetic defense of the notion of &quot;voluntariness&quot;.  This governmental/political need to try to paint the tax system as less than what it is has caused, and will continue to cause, thousands of people to be ruined personally and financially.  But will it ever touch Harry Reid?  Will it ever touch the pols who take more and more of the citizens hard earned money?  Will the person who wrote that nonsense into IRS forms ever feel anything toward those he or she misled?  Will any of them care, or at least notice enough to change it?  Of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More evidence for the true believers that the tax system is voluntary.  Reid&#8217;s bumbling about, if widely disseminated, will confirm the mistaken views of lots of tax protestors.  Sure, he said you can&#8217;t get away with it,  but listen to him.  His bumbling is so bad, he must be &#8220;in the know&#8221; and covering up, because he has to.  People will go to jail, in part, because of Reid&#8217;s failure to a) recognize the distinction between forced taxation and voluntary compliance; and b) acknowledge that the government TAKES taxes whether its citizens think it is a good idea or not.</p>
<p>The phrase &#8220;our system is based upon voluntary compliance&#8221; has led more people to jail and ruin than any other ever propogated by government.  Whoever came up with that ludicrous phrase really ought to be shot, drawn and quartered, tarred and feathered, and forced to listen to an endless loop of Barry Manilow muzak while to chained to a prison cell somewhere in Central America.  Of course, what was meant, was that the U.S. relies on its citizens voluntarily COMPLYING with the law, in that it would be difficult to force everyone to comply.  This is why we have income withholding.  If the taxpayers themselves had to write out the checks to the government every payday, we would have revolt.  But you can&#8217;t miss what you don&#8217;t see.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, some see that &#8220;voluntary&#8221; language and think, &#8220;Well, I&#8217;ll just unvolunteer.&#8221;  And then they incur huge penalties, ruining them financially, tearing apart their families, and possibly even jail &#8211; thereby losing their livelihoods and any possibility of paying their debt.  And then we have Dingy Harry coming out with a thoroughly pathetic defense of the notion of &#8220;voluntariness&#8221;.  This governmental/political need to try to paint the tax system as less than what it is has caused, and will continue to cause, thousands of people to be ruined personally and financially.  But will it ever touch Harry Reid?  Will it ever touch the pols who take more and more of the citizens hard earned money?  Will the person who wrote that nonsense into IRS forms ever feel anything toward those he or she misled?  Will any of them care, or at least notice enough to change it?  Of course not.</p>
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		<title>By: randy streu</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13265</link>
		<dc:creator>randy streu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 05:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what bugs me is that it&#039;s not actually any different from what anybody else was saying.  Which is why the &quot;dumb&quot; comment seems misplaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what bugs me is that it&#8217;s not actually any different from what anybody else was saying.  Which is why the &#8220;dumb&#8221; comment seems misplaced.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Maidment</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13255</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Maidment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minimum community service requirements to graduate from Middle/High School?

Or am I confusing that with someone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minimum community service requirements to graduate from Middle/High School?</p>
<p>Or am I confusing that with someone else?</p>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13248</link>
		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Grammar.....

WARNING: &lt;b&gt;JOKE&lt;/b&gt; folks... just interjecting some levity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Grammar&#8230;..</p>
<p>WARNING: <b>JOKE</b> folks&#8230; just interjecting some levity</p>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13245</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people regressed to the barter system wouldn&#039;t they?

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people regressed to the barter system wouldn&#8217;t they?</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13244</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Payroll taxes (and FICA etc.) - don&#039;t work
Income tax - don&#039;t work; don&#039;t invest; keep all your money under your mattress
Gas tax - walk, ride bike, ride mass transit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Payroll taxes (and FICA etc.) &#8211; don&#8217;t work<br />
Income tax &#8211; don&#8217;t work; don&#8217;t invest; keep all your money under your mattress<br />
Gas tax &#8211; walk, ride bike, ride mass transit</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13242</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why you thought so.</description>
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		<title>By: ss396</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13241</link>
		<dc:creator>ss396</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They printed it, didn&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They printed it, didn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13118</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wrong thread, I read the post above and posted since I just saw the AP article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrong thread, I read the post above and posted since I just saw the AP article.</p>
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		<title>By: toddworsham</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13113</link>
		<dc:creator>toddworsham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just messing with you there.  But you&#039;re right about my grammar it is pretty shoddy, I zoned out during that part in school, my lovely girlfriend edits my diaries, not my comments though.  

My essential point is that the average politicians mindset is so warped that, to harry &quot;the body&quot; reid, the &quot;taxes are voluntary&quot; statement makes complete sense.  It&#039;s voluntary in the sense you can e-file or just mail it in like grandpa did.  All politicians are guilty of this sort of thinking so some degree.  Indeed, as time goes on, even the most promising young politicians is often corrupted to the point of no return by operating inside the beltway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just messing with you there.  But you&#8217;re right about my grammar it is pretty shoddy, I zoned out during that part in school, my lovely girlfriend edits my diaries, not my comments though.  </p>
<p>My essential point is that the average politicians mindset is so warped that, to harry &#8220;the body&#8221; reid, the &#8220;taxes are voluntary&#8221; statement makes complete sense.  It&#8217;s voluntary in the sense you can e-file or just mail it in like grandpa did.  All politicians are guilty of this sort of thinking so some degree.  Indeed, as time goes on, even the most promising young politicians is often corrupted to the point of no return by operating inside the beltway.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13105</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nt</p>
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		<title>By: Next93</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13095</link>
		<dc:creator>Next93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This actually explains a lot.  Under Reid&#039;s definition of &quot;voluntary&quot;, people can be required under penalty of law to do &quot;volunteer&quot; service work.  It&#039;s NOT slavery, it&#039;s &quot;community service&quot;, and the people in charge aren&#039;t slave masters, they&#039;re &quot;community organizers&quot;.  Yeah, THAT&#039;s the ticket!

Did I fall asleep some time in January and wake up in an Orwell novel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This actually explains a lot.  Under Reid&#8217;s definition of &#8220;voluntary&#8221;, people can be required under penalty of law to do &#8220;volunteer&#8221; service work.  It&#8217;s NOT slavery, it&#8217;s &#8220;community service&#8221;, and the people in charge aren&#8217;t slave masters, they&#8217;re &#8220;community organizers&#8221;.  Yeah, THAT&#8217;s the ticket!</p>
<p>Did I fall asleep some time in January and wake up in an Orwell novel?</p>
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		<title>By: NightTwister</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13092</link>
		<dc:creator>NightTwister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please feel free to show the idiocy of Harry Reid as often as you like.  I had to listen to it three times because first I couldn&#039;t believe he said it, and second I couldn&#039;t believe the reporter didn&#039;t call him an idiot right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please feel free to show the idiocy of Harry Reid as often as you like.  I had to listen to it three times because first I couldn&#8217;t believe he said it, and second I couldn&#8217;t believe the reporter didn&#8217;t call him an idiot right there.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Maidment</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13091</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Maidment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Video Camera: $279 at Best Buy
Website Registration: $2.99 at GoDaddy
Microsoft Front Page: $149 online
Gas for the round-trip: $5
Bewildered look on Harry Reid&#039;s face:  PRICELESS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video Camera: $279 at Best Buy<br />
Website Registration: $2.99 at GoDaddy<br />
Microsoft Front Page: $149 online<br />
Gas for the round-trip: $5<br />
Bewildered look on Harry Reid&#8217;s face:  PRICELESS</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Maidment</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13090</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Maidment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s saying that it&#039;s a voluntary system for &lt;i&gt;the government&lt;/i&gt;.  They &lt;i&gt;volunteer&lt;/i&gt; to allow us to keep some of our income and property.

Poorly phrased, but his concept is exactly the thinking of the Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s saying that it&#8217;s a voluntary system for <i>the government</i>.  They <i>volunteer</i> to allow us to keep some of our income and property.</p>
<p>Poorly phrased, but his concept is exactly the thinking of the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: Deskpilot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deskpilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+Tobacco -Alcohol - Luxury Tax - Don&#039;t want to pay the tax, don&#039;t buy it.
- Unemployed merchants=less tax revenue
+ Fuel Tax - Bus, Mass transit 
- The great black hole of city finances (UTWU)
+Tolls - use alternate routes
- Roads will not receive adequate repair and maintenance $$$

But don&#039;t tell me that that payroll confiscation of taxes is VOLUTARY.
No W4/1099/1040 , off the to IRS(or lower level authority) judge and jail with you.
Wnat to drive ANYWHERE, you have to pay fuel tax
Want to buty ANYTHING non-food in many states, SALES TAX
Harry may have aged from the original of this video, but with age has come greater insanity, which is why the Wicked Witch(es) of the West lead him around by the Ba^7^7$
(Pelosi, Frankenstein, Water(board)s, Boxbat)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+Tobacco -Alcohol &#8211; Luxury Tax &#8211; Don&#8217;t want to pay the tax, don&#8217;t buy it.<br />
- Unemployed merchants=less tax revenue<br />
+ Fuel Tax &#8211; Bus, Mass transit<br />
- The great black hole of city finances (UTWU)<br />
+Tolls &#8211; use alternate routes<br />
- Roads will not receive adequate repair and maintenance $$$</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t tell me that that payroll confiscation of taxes is VOLUTARY.<br />
No W4/1099/1040 , off the to IRS(or lower level authority) judge and jail with you.<br />
Wnat to drive ANYWHERE, you have to pay fuel tax<br />
Want to buty ANYTHING non-food in many states, SALES TAX<br />
Harry may have aged from the original of this video, but with age has come greater insanity, which is why the Wicked Witch(es) of the West lead him around by the Ba^7^7$<br />
(Pelosi, Frankenstein, Water(board)s, Boxbat)</p>
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		<title>By: randy streu</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/03/31/the-difference-between-libertarian-and-liberal-courtesy-of-harry-reid/comment-page-1/#comment-13086</link>
		<dc:creator>randy streu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but if you&#039;re going to accuse a bunch of people of being &quot;dumb,&quot; it might help to use the correct version of &quot;you&#039;re&quot;.

&quot;your&quot; is possessive
&quot;You&#039;re&quot; means &quot;you are&quot;

It&#039;s a contraction, see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but if you&#8217;re going to accuse a bunch of people of being &#8220;dumb,&#8221; it might help to use the correct version of &#8220;you&#8217;re&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;your&#8221; is possessive<br />
&#8220;You&#8217;re&#8221; means &#8220;you are&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a contraction, see.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedomlover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freedomlover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but if you happen to be &quot;the only man alive who can solve this massive problem&quot; you&#039;ll be given unilateral power to decide what every employee in the private sector ought to earn and to cut his pay or fire him if he is being paid too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but if you happen to be &#8220;the only man alive who can solve this massive problem&#8221; you&#8217;ll be given unilateral power to decide what every employee in the private sector ought to earn and to cut his pay or fire him if he is being paid too much.</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flee to a foreign country and await a pardon from a President like Clinton.</description>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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