I’ve seen Red Dawn more times than I can count when I was a kid, and this is back in the day when that meant watching it on VHS, but ye gods and little fishes! – that movie was awful. I don’t care what NRO thinks. Personally, I’d add Iron Man to the list, but only because doing so thoroughly mocks the antiwar movement’s ultimately unsuccessful attempt to list cowardice and hypocrisy among the American virtues.
Via RS McCain. I have no quibbles with either of his additions.
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PS: I hear that World In Conflict absolutely rocks as a video game, though.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:22PM EST (link)Looks like a reach to me in some cases. A conservative note here or there does not make a symphony one of ours.
But Red Dawn? Absolutely belongs there. Come on. Movies don’t all have to be thought provokers; they’re allowed to be purely entertaining.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:23PM EST (link)It’s PS3 so it’s open to me…
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World in Conflict is excellent stuff
mikefisk (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 12:32AM EST (link)Real-time strategy game set in an alternate future where the Cold War never ended, and military forces are starting to mobilize for an armed confrontation with the Soviets. Modern warfare on a grand scale.
I bought the game for PC a while back… will thrash a lot of hardware, but looks gorgeous. The Collector’s Edition (which I have) comes not only with a really cool box (with stylized renditions of the Stars and Stripes on one side and a hammer and sickel on the reverse), but some History Channel DVDs on the Cold War as well as, I kid you not, a small piece of the Berlin Wall (with certificate of authenticity). If you can find this set on eBay, I highly recommend it. If not, the game is well worth playing, regardless of the system you get it for.
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9.25, -4.77
So you're the Supreme Commander of NATO defending the fulda gap? (nt)
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No, Neil, better.
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Hmm (nt)
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I would add "ndiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull"
NickDeringer (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:26PM EST (link)While they throw some stones at Joe McCarthy in subtle way they do portray the Soviet Communists as ruthless bad guys as it should be. And they do pay homage to good old fashioned marriage.
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Parroting the useful idiot lie discredits it sorry (nt)
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Plus the movie was made after the fall of the Soviet Union
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:40PM EST (link)meanwhile Red Dawn was made during a contentious time when people were making movies like “The Day After” on prime time televison.
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I almost left the theater
Next93 (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 11:13PM EST (link)In the first sequence they have soviet soldiers in America killing American servicemen and stealing American “weapons”. Two minutes later one of the characters is complaining about how “paranoid” the current political climate is.
Call me crazy, but I don’t think that it’s paranoid to be worried about soviet spies if you have proof that they’re in the country and stealing weapons technology (Rosenburgs).
Then, of course, you have the whole subtext of the FBI using the red scare to hound ordinary citizens, because they counldn’t FIND any *real* soviet spies.
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Conservative? No. AMAZING?
evanm (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:28PM EST (link)Dude, that scene with the paratroopers dropping down and shooting up the schoolyard?!?!
I would add one of my favorites.
NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:30PM EST (link)I and three others in the world liked it.
The Postman.
I agree with you about Red Dawn. But then, I also liked it, along with Starship Troopers and THX 1138,
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I'm curious. Why The Postman?
NickDeringer (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:35PM EST (link)Just wondering if I should see it.
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Several reasons.
NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:42PM EST (link)1. An unexpected hero leads the people to fight for freedom.
2. A triumph of personal character.
3. The scenery is incredible (filmed in northeastern Washington State).
4. It stars Kevin Costner (a personal favorite).
5. Tom Petty as a town mayor. (Ok, this one may not be a plus).
It still holds the record as the biggest money loser ever. I believe it cost over $90 million to make and only pulled in around $13 million.
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Loved the book "The Postman", NT. Thanks for adding it.
janis (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 11:58AM EST (link)Pretty sure I saw the movie as a rental. And I agree with all your reasons for liking the movie. Well, except for #5, but you welshed on that one yourself. As for Kevin Costner, he ranks up there with Robert Duvall as one of my favorite actors. Costner was in Nashville recently with his music group whose-name-escapes-me-at -the-moment.
Both Costner and Duvall are “real men” actors unlike, say, Johnny Depp and Sean Penn. (Ewww, I feel dirty even typing that last name.)
Great book, movie... disappointing.
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 1:23PM EST (link)It was going to be hard to put on the screen, though. I mean, the best lines in the book were the ones in the emergency proclamation.
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Movies -- Starship Troopers
HerbC (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:36PM EST (link)I like the premise of vets having more control..
granted, allowing only veterans, or those in the service
the right to vote, and none other, is bogus… but perhaps
2 or 1.5 votes for a vet..
I just threw that one in there for Moe...nt.
NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:44PM EST (link)The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
Starship troopers (the movie) was AWFUL
Next93 (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 11:30PM EST (link)Sorry, but that movie had a very distinct attitude that the military are either Nazis or brainwashed young idiots (or both).
The climactic scene was a major break with the book, with the army brass unapologetically betraying the troops. There’s a strong art-deco visual aesthetic throughout that’s used to cast the military as fascists (Doogie Howser appears in what’s essentially an SS uniform in the last scene), and all political broadcasts strongly reminiscent of Nazi propoganda.
On top of that, they removed nearly all of the discussion on duty, honor, and country that were so important to the book. They apparently needed to clear space in the script for some love scenes that never happened in the book (not that RAH would have complained about the mostly naked young ladies)
Most Heinlein fans still can’t beleive that anyone would make a movie called “Starship Troopers” without powersuits.
Fact is, no one has yet made a movie from a Heinlein book that managed to stay true to the vision and tone of the original. I’m personally hoping that no one else ever tries.
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Has anyone ever made a movie that was faithful to the book?
fmaidment (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 12:38AM EST (link)I mean, other than “Band of Brothers?”
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Snake45 Sunday, February 15th at 11:03AM EST (link)The Bridges at Toko-Ri. Very faithful to the book.
A Bridge Too Far. Granted, it very much condenses the events but what’s there is accurate and descriptive. Every time I read the book, I want to watch the movie again, and every time I watch the movie, I want to read the book again. Each is excellent.
There's "Faithful to the Book" and "Complete Rewrite"
Next93 (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 11:34AM EST (link)Imagine if DW Griffin had released “Birth of a Nation” under the title “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”, and you’d have a pretty good idea of how much the producers of the movie betrayed Heinlein’s vision.
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THERE WAS NO STARSHIP TROOPERS MOVIE.
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 8:05AM EST (link)You were the victim of a nihilist cult that went around randomly kidnapping people to perform illicit mind control experiments on them. They also probably convinced you that there was more than one Highlander movie, and that they made sequels to Superman II.
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My reasons for liking it have nothing to do with the book.
NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 12:32PM EST (link)It’s sort of a cult classic. I really never thought it would be possible to combine such a horrible plot, terrible acting, cheesy special effects, and unrelenting gore into a single movie. It’s everything that’s wrong with movies all wrapped into one. It’s the perfect train wreck, which makes it nearly impossible not to watch.
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Wow! Half post on this board!
fmaidment (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 12:36AM EST (link)The other half went to my high school: My brother and our old friend Mike.
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Was there a more anti-communist movie made for popular consumption during the Cold War?
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:37PM EST (link)I mean seriously, the movie was made when the Peace Movement was protesting Reagan on 5 continents.
Context is key to its inclusion on the list. This isn’t a WWII movie made 60 years after the war, this was a Cold War movie made during a time in the Cold War where lots of “both sides are wrong” movies were being made.
I agree that without that context, the movie shouldn’t make the list. However, the context is a big deal.
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keep in mind that the NRO list was only for the last 30 years
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:38PM EST (link)so anti-communist movies made in the 50s, 60s, and most of the 70s don’t count
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
was there an anti-communist movie made in the 70s?
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 10:49PM EST (link).
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
The Omega Man
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 8:08PM EST (link)It’s only a Zombie movie if you don’t look closely enough.
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Not Be On? It Should Probably Be #1
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 11:08PM EST (link)Its un-American to not like Red Dawn.
Starships Troopers was kind of fun, but it was liberal with its one world government and feminist messages
Gee, Moe...
Steve Maley (Diary) Saturday, February 14th at 11:12PM EST (link)What other movie portrays the Cubans as the Russian Foreign Legion? (Well, there’s Heartbreak Ridge, and no others I can think of.)
What other movie takes on what would have happened if the Cold War hadn’t stayed cold?
When the movie came out, the Soviets were still a plausible military threat.
And when the movie came out, it was still plausible that American high school kids might spontaneously fight an invader.
Great cinema, it’s not, but it’s a memorable movie.
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The Veterans that existed in Starship Trooper
Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 2:09AM EST (link)are quite different from our customary idealization of veterans. At least in the book! The movie appears to have been written in crayon on butcher paper.
A veteran to RAH was anyone who served, at some risk to his or her life, in the military services or the civilian equivalent.
If you were physically unable to serve as a trooper or pilot, they would find something, equivalently dangerous, for you to do. That way, everyone who was willing to serve could serve. You earned the privilege of voting by placing yourself at risk – whether as a drop trooper or a volunteer in a medical lab.
RAH wrote Starship Trooper to offer some ideas on what makes a “good citizen.” Not what makes a person a knowledgeable voter or officeholder but only on what would tend to make the citizen consider more than his or her own wants, needs or desires.
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That book changed my life
Next93 (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 11:28AM EST (link)I know it sounds stupid, but it’s true; that book changed my life.
I read Starship Troopers in 1969; I was 12 and we’d just moved from a NASA neighborhood in central Florida to an inner-city area in upstate New York; I basically plunged directly from Stepford into the heart of the counter-culture. There was a constant drumbeat telling me that the ideals of my father’s generation were small-minded, wrong-headed, dangerous, and downright stupid. Reading that book, it felt like Robert Heinlein grabbed me by my lapels and made me understand that duty, honor, and country were the foundation of freedom.
A lot of the kids I went through middle school with ended up making some really unfortunate life choices. If I hadn’t read that book, I would probably have been right there with them.
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:Group response: Did I not say that I liked it?
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 8:08AM EST (link)I’m merely noting that it was awful.
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Most of these movies
gardenstateeric (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 9:02AM EST (link)are not “conservative”. It would be more accurate to call them 25 movies that really tick off liberals. I think Forest Gump is a clear example of a movie that is not at all conservative but that drives liberals crazy. It’s treatment of Vietnam, and of small town life and of the 60s protest movements wasn’t really a conservative view point, but it was a view point at odds with liberal orthodoxy.
The one solid theme in Red Dawn was it’s pro-2nd amendment tack.
The first Death Wish movie
Next93 (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 11:47AM EST (link)I had a friend in high school who was an Air Force dependent, and as a result I had the good fortune to watch the first of the Death Wish movies in a movie theater on an Air Force base.
Wow, what an experience. Every time Chuck Bronson blew away some scumbag, everyone in the theater was on on thier feet cheering. Second amendment rights on steroids.
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Death Wish, Dirty Harry, The Exterminator...
kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 1:41PM EST (link)Movies are often a sign of their times. In the 1970′s, one of the things that made it such a craptastic decade, (and the early 1980′s) was the huge rise in crime.
A lot of this was caused by liberal ideas of criminal justice, ie. the prison revolving door. As a consequence one of the most popular expressions in movies and literature at the time was the vigilante, or the cop who steps outside of the system.
This eventually culminated in the fun, but cynical, Exterminator movies which came out about the same time as the Bernard Goetz incident.
Shorty after that you had the three strikes rule and a general enforcement of criminal laws and suddenly there was less of an audience for such movies.
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Firefox(1982) Great Anti-Communist Movie!!
neum432 (Diary) Sunday, February 15th at 10:37PM EST (link)NT
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