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		<title>By: olsmithie</title>
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		<dc:creator>olsmithie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
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		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He had some form of cancer and was on the state insurance plan.  The state refused to pay for his cancer treatment, but was willing to pay for his physician to give him drugs for ending his life.  There was a hue and cry and the state changed it&#039;s mind.

Oregon has that right-to-die law and now we will see how the Federal government, in one fell swoop, can give us all our &quot;right to die.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He had some form of cancer and was on the state insurance plan.  The state refused to pay for his cancer treatment, but was willing to pay for his physician to give him drugs for ending his life.  There was a hue and cry and the state changed it&#8217;s mind.</p>
<p>Oregon has that right-to-die law and now we will see how the Federal government, in one fell swoop, can give us all our &#8220;right to die.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/02/10/daschles-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-10817</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they have some really, really attractive insurance deals, as in auto insurance at a third of what I was being quoted by the &quot;majors&quot; here.  Somebody once described them as really just an insurance company with an interesting marketing scheme.  Makes sense, and it makes sense that health insurers and life insurers would be all about socialized medicine.  Since most retirement plans make you go to Medicare as your primary when you turn 65, Medicare turning you down for something lets your private insurance off the hook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they have some really, really attractive insurance deals, as in auto insurance at a third of what I was being quoted by the &#8220;majors&#8221; here.  Somebody once described them as really just an insurance company with an interesting marketing scheme.  Makes sense, and it makes sense that health insurers and life insurers would be all about socialized medicine.  Since most retirement plans make you go to Medicare as your primary when you turn 65, Medicare turning you down for something lets your private insurance off the hook.</p>
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		<title>By: streetwise</title>
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		<dc:creator>streetwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the patient is &quot;making progress&quot; in therapy, Medicare picks up part and the supplemental picks up the other part of nursing home care.

But if the situation is static or terminal, zippo.  Medicare picks up some hospice costs.  Otherwise, the patient&#039;s family is on their own as far a paying the enormous per diem of nursing home care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the patient is &#8220;making progress&#8221; in therapy, Medicare picks up part and the supplemental picks up the other part of nursing home care.</p>
<p>But if the situation is static or terminal, zippo.  Medicare picks up some hospice costs.  Otherwise, the patient&#8217;s family is on their own as far a paying the enormous per diem of nursing home care.</p>
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		<title>By: streetwise</title>
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		<dc:creator>streetwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the patient is &quot;making progress&quot; in therapy, Medicare picks up part and the supplemental picks up the other part of nursing home care.

But if the situation is static or terminal, zippo.  Medicare picks up some hospice costs.  Otherwise, the patient&#039;s family is on their own as far a paying the enormous per diem of nursing home care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the patient is &#8220;making progress&#8221; in therapy, Medicare picks up part and the supplemental picks up the other part of nursing home care.</p>
<p>But if the situation is static or terminal, zippo.  Medicare picks up some hospice costs.  Otherwise, the patient&#8217;s family is on their own as far a paying the enormous per diem of nursing home care.</p>
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		<title>By: CarlSchurz</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarlSchurz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people know how to run a &#039;dozer, extendaboom, forklift, power-loader, back hoe or a bobcat.

It is the older computer stuff that is problematic.Stuff from the 50s, 60s and 70s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people know how to run a &#8216;dozer, extendaboom, forklift, power-loader, back hoe or a bobcat.</p>
<p>It is the older computer stuff that is problematic.Stuff from the 50s, 60s and 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: Lammo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/02/10/daschles-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-10813</link>
		<dc:creator>Lammo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plus they ticked me off by sending me stuff before I turned 50.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plus they ticked me off by sending me stuff before I turned 50.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lammo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/02/10/daschles-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-10812</link>
		<dc:creator>Lammo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they won&#039;t know how to run things.  Lots of necessary machines out there don&#039;t respond to keyboard/mouse/touch screen commands and someone still has to dig the ditches to lay all of that fancy fiber optic cable and such.

(I say &quot;us&quot; because at 51 I don&#039;t think I&#039;m that old!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they won&#8217;t know how to run things.  Lots of necessary machines out there don&#8217;t respond to keyboard/mouse/touch screen commands and someone still has to dig the ditches to lay all of that fancy fiber optic cable and such.</p>
<p>(I say &#8220;us&#8221; because at 51 I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m that old!)</p>
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		<title>By: olsmithie</title>
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		<dc:creator>olsmithie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have been taking multimillion dollar &quot;grants&quot; from congress for years, then turning around and lobbying congress.

What&#039;s wrong with this picture?

If we can get the seniors to believe the truth, they will be a welcome ally against the Orwellians. Questin is how to let them know. CNN won&#039;t tell them.

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have been taking multimillion dollar &#8220;grants&#8221; from congress for years, then turning around and lobbying congress.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with this picture?</p>
<p>If we can get the seniors to believe the truth, they will be a welcome ally against the Orwellians. Questin is how to let them know. CNN won&#8217;t tell them.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: olsmithie</title>
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		<dc:creator>olsmithie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you won&#039;t be able to go for medical help without being arrested.

Sounds like a survival novel, doesn&#039;t it?

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you won&#8217;t be able to go for medical help without being arrested.</p>
<p>Sounds like a survival novel, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
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		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your supplemental insurance will not pay if Medicare denied the primary claim.  This is also true for the military Tricare system.   I am an RN and wrote on leeterry&#039;s diary today, that people do not really understand the threat of socialized medicine.  It is a synonym for rationing health care.  We have seen these issues for years and have fought constantly for our patients.  We already  have a lesser form of rationed care in the HMOs.  It will be far worse if the government takes over the health care industry.

I urged Rep. Terry to join with his colleagues and tell the people the truth.  This is a travesty of a spending bill.

I hope the people are listening now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your supplemental insurance will not pay if Medicare denied the primary claim.  This is also true for the military Tricare system.   I am an RN and wrote on leeterry&#8217;s diary today, that people do not really understand the threat of socialized medicine.  It is a synonym for rationing health care.  We have seen these issues for years and have fought constantly for our patients.  We already  have a lesser form of rationed care in the HMOs.  It will be far worse if the government takes over the health care industry.</p>
<p>I urged Rep. Terry to join with his colleagues and tell the people the truth.  This is a travesty of a spending bill.</p>
<p>I hope the people are listening now.</p>
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		<title>By: streetwise</title>
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		<dc:creator>streetwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for retirement, it&#039;s another job!  Doing all the investigating re how benefits work, managing investment accounts, tax management, etc. 

And that&#039;s not counting the real job one might have to take to cope with life under The One.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for retirement, it&#8217;s another job!  Doing all the investigating re how benefits work, managing investment accounts, tax management, etc. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not counting the real job one might have to take to cope with life under The One.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is in itself a form of rationing. 

The part of compensation and benefits I know the least about, in fact almost nothing, is retirement.  It was never on my plate since it was the State&#039;s position that it wasn&#039;t subject to collective bargaining.  I had enough I had to know about, so I just let it be other people&#039;s problem.  Sure, wish I&#039;d paid a lot more attention now that I&#039;m retired and see what a mess they had made of what most would consider a pretty good, reasonably well-funded retirement system.  My first clue that something was badly amiss was when I retired, my retiree HI immediately became primary even though my wife was still working and the State was paying in about a $1000/mo. on her behalf and I was never going to pay another dime.  When I looked into, I saw when and why it was done; a Democrat administration was trying to claim it was holding down employee HI costs, so, since there are a lot of State employee couples, they just cost shifted to the retiree plan to make it easier to hold down the active costs.  There&#039;s all sorts of stupid stuff like that, but the most you get from the retirement people is the old, &quot;there&#039;s no reason, it&#039;s just our policy&quot;  or &quot;we&#039;ve always done it that way&quot; dance and you can&#039;t get them to do anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is in itself a form of rationing. </p>
<p>The part of compensation and benefits I know the least about, in fact almost nothing, is retirement.  It was never on my plate since it was the State&#8217;s position that it wasn&#8217;t subject to collective bargaining.  I had enough I had to know about, so I just let it be other people&#8217;s problem.  Sure, wish I&#8217;d paid a lot more attention now that I&#8217;m retired and see what a mess they had made of what most would consider a pretty good, reasonably well-funded retirement system.  My first clue that something was badly amiss was when I retired, my retiree HI immediately became primary even though my wife was still working and the State was paying in about a $1000/mo. on her behalf and I was never going to pay another dime.  When I looked into, I saw when and why it was done; a Democrat administration was trying to claim it was holding down employee HI costs, so, since there are a lot of State employee couples, they just cost shifted to the retiree plan to make it easier to hold down the active costs.  There&#8217;s all sorts of stupid stuff like that, but the most you get from the retirement people is the old, &#8220;there&#8217;s no reason, it&#8217;s just our policy&#8221;  or &#8220;we&#8217;ve always done it that way&#8221; dance and you can&#8217;t get them to do anything.</p>
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		<title>By: streetwise</title>
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		<dc:creator>streetwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Private insurance is the supplemental, and trust me, we all better have one because Medicare benefits will be cut.

To date, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much direct rationing imposed by Medicare, but there certainly is a lot of price control.  The future? Who knows?  But retirees vote in huge numbers, so I doubt that there will be mandated reductions in hip surgeries, for example, in favor of breast implants for 20-somethings.

Of course, when Hillary becomes president, Bill might insist on changes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Private insurance is the supplemental, and trust me, we all better have one because Medicare benefits will be cut.</p>
<p>To date, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much direct rationing imposed by Medicare, but there certainly is a lot of price control.  The future? Who knows?  But retirees vote in huge numbers, so I doubt that there will be mandated reductions in hip surgeries, for example, in favor of breast implants for 20-somethings.</p>
<p>Of course, when Hillary becomes president, Bill might insist on changes!</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so it might not be so easy to get rid of us.  God knows the X&#039;ers and Y&#039;ers and Nexters etc. were nipping at my heels for the last decade or so of my career but they never got me, and I got a lot of them for trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so it might not be so easy to get rid of us.  God knows the X&#8217;ers and Y&#8217;ers and Nexters etc. were nipping at my heels for the last decade or so of my career but they never got me, and I got a lot of them for trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N/T</description>
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		<title>By: gekster</title>
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		<dc:creator>gekster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since there are no earmarks or special interest pork in this bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since there are no earmarks or special interest pork in this bill.</p>
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		<title>By: azaeroprof</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/02/10/daschles-revenge/comment-page-1/#comment-10790</link>
		<dc:creator>azaeroprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on this??  One would think that they would be completely up in arms, unless there&#039;s some sort of &quot;payoff&quot; for them elsewhere.  As someone mentioned in another thread, the aides in congress that actually write these things are masterful at splitting up programs and dispersing them throughout a bill so you never get the whole picture.

I remember back in the &quot;tax reform&quot; bill that Rostenkowski headed up in the 80&#039;s, Andy Rooney (I think?) traced a thread throughout the bill.  It started with an provision that exempted businesses that met some definition in another part of the bill, then referred to another part of the bill, etc. etc.  It ended up after about 6 or 8 flips to completely different parts, to just be defined as ONE particular company in Rostenkowski&#039;s home district.  Does anyone else remember seeing this??  Imagine that embedded loophole and multiply it by 535, and you get the idea.  In computer programming, we call programs that use multiple &#039;GOTO&#039; statements &quot;spaghetti code&quot;.  The congress is expert at writing &quot;spaghetti legislation&quot;.  Both are equally incomprehensible and dangerous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on this??  One would think that they would be completely up in arms, unless there&#8217;s some sort of &#8220;payoff&#8221; for them elsewhere.  As someone mentioned in another thread, the aides in congress that actually write these things are masterful at splitting up programs and dispersing them throughout a bill so you never get the whole picture.</p>
<p>I remember back in the &#8220;tax reform&#8221; bill that Rostenkowski headed up in the 80&#8242;s, Andy Rooney (I think?) traced a thread throughout the bill.  It started with an provision that exempted businesses that met some definition in another part of the bill, then referred to another part of the bill, etc. etc.  It ended up after about 6 or 8 flips to completely different parts, to just be defined as ONE particular company in Rostenkowski&#8217;s home district.  Does anyone else remember seeing this??  Imagine that embedded loophole and multiply it by 535, and you get the idea.  In computer programming, we call programs that use multiple &#8216;GOTO&#8217; statements &#8220;spaghetti code&#8221;.  The congress is expert at writing &#8220;spaghetti legislation&#8221;.  Both are equally incomprehensible and dangerous!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t get that cancer treatment because a 21 year old ObamaGirl needs bigger breasts for her new &quot;acting&quot; career.

Oddly enough, I think you might actually be ok with that trade off...just this one time...;^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t get that cancer treatment because a 21 year old ObamaGirl needs bigger breasts for her new &#8220;acting&#8221; career.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, I think you might actually be ok with that trade off&#8230;just this one time&#8230;;^)</p>
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