So the CBO report says we’ll be out of a recession this year…


any which way (see also here, here, and here). That’s without a “stimulus”: with one, we’re going to see short-term gains at the expense of long-term growth. You can argue that this might not be a bad thing, overall; but if we’re not actually going to need the Obama-Reid-Pelosi debt bill to get out of this recession then the biggest argument against passing it right now just went away. There is no consensus that urgent action is needed: as Rasmussen notes, while Democrats are following the President on this, Republicans are not… and independents are significantly in agreement with the GOP. A plurality of voters oppose this thing. Half the population thinks that we’re at risk at making things worse if it passes. It’s not actually settled that this is emergency legislation, in other words – which means by the White House’s own rule (which is well on the way to having a history of being routinely broken anyway) we should legitimately expect a five day waiting period to assess the bill anyway. But none of that is scheduled. Why?

Yes, that’s a rhetorical question.

Crossposted at Moe Lane.


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We need to tell people to expect a short term boost.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 10:06AM EST (link)

We will loose credibility if we tell people this won’t help the economy. We can GAIN credibility if we acknowledge that this particular package will have a short term boost, but we need to explain that the same thing happens if you give a person in credit trouble more credit. They’re able to continue overspending for a bit longer, but when they run out of credit again, the bankruptcy bill will be even larger and more painful.

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talk about the indebtedness....

Jack (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 12:03PM EST (link)

Forget the nuances a simple straight message. The indebtedness that this legislation will bring will cripple this nation and our nation for over a century.

Try this message the people who will pay this off have not even been born yet.

Jack

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It appears we're supposed to think of it this way

bk (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 10:08AM EST (link)

Passing this stuff gives Obama the biggest pile of “walking around money” in the history of the universe. The economy will start to work itself out as it always does, and he’ll be able to “invest” next year in districts or states which may by pure coincidence have tight election races.

 

How long before Larry Summers resigns?

NickDeringer (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 10:27AM EST (link)

I used to work for Larry and he doesn’t suffer fools gladly. He’s not excited about the Obama Administration’s Handling of the economy. I say he quits before the end of ’09.

 

The political math....

DrOldSchool Monday, February 9th at 11:04AM EST (link)

is scary on this. Not only is Brian correct about managing expectations, but just think where we’ll be 9-12 months from now if the economy gets back on track as anticipated. The media will be hailing President Brand Name’s economic recovery, and railing supply-side theory even more than ever. Pelosi and Reid will be gloating about their “success” and how the GOP tried to kill the economy. All this will justify even more spending in their minds (like nationalized health care?), since it “worked” to solve this problem. They will also raise taxes, or at the very least say this new debt is the reason for the expiration of Bush’s tax cuts, but that was pretty much a given anyway once this passes.

The question becomes if people will continue to break against the spending in polling if there is short term recovery, as they are now. If they don’t, hello even bigger government. I’m curious how many of the people who are against the policy now are still expecting the 95% tax cut pledge from BO to come through and include them.

 

Porkulus Is a Waste of Money

Spartan4Life (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 12:18PM EST (link)

For $850B we are moving the recovery up about 6 months. What a waste.

The Democrat party is borrowing almost a trillion dollars so they can pay off their political cronies. Pay to play anyone?

 

We'll see

TxCon (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 12:48PM EST (link)

if we have learned our lesson as far as communication goes. Coming out of the recession will have nothing to do with this “stimulus”. We need to explain that we will come out this recession because of the market. Tax cuts across the board will sustain the growth but this pork bill will send us right back to where we are now…and probably worse.

 

The CBO has a history of over-estimating

The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 12:50PM EST (link)

the effects of spending stimuluses and underestimating the stimulus effects of tax cuts. I believe there might be a very short term boost (3-6 months) after which the long term negatives start to really hurt. If the bill passes, by October of 2010 we’ll be looking at 8% unemployment and 15% inflation (or its equivalent if we manage to ship our inflation overseas instead of it happening here explicitly).

It is not going to be good

CarlSchurz (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 12:53PM EST (link)

If this bill passes.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

:shrug: Elections have consequences. (N/T)

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 12:58PM EST (link)
 
 

1.5% GDP growth??

the_aldynes Monday, February 9th at 12:57PM EST (link)

That is what the CBO report says we can expect coming out of this. That is not enough to start job creation. I see this recovery stalling as soon as the GDP uptick gives Dems the “authority” to raise taxes.

Oh yeah

CarlSchurz (Diary) Monday, February 9th at 1:01PM EST (link)

It is going to be bad. They raise taxes, mostly on the job creators such as small businesses and unemployment will rise.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.