The nuance of the pro-torture Left (HRW edition).


Because it's different when THEY do it, you see.

Good term, Wizbang: I like it. Anyway, via Dissenting Justice (via Instapundit) we can see in miniature the… ah, evolution of our opposite numbers on the Online Left’s stance on Obama’s reversion to rendition. Our hypocrites for the day are Human Rights Watch*:

April 7, 2008 to at least January 19, 2009:

The US government should:

·Repudiate the use of rendition to torture as a counterterrorism tactic and permanently discontinue the CIA’s rendition program;

Some time after January 20, 2009:

“Under limited circumstances, there is a legitimate place” for renditions, said Tom Malinowski, the Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch. “What I heard loud and clear from the president’s order was that they want to design a system that doesn’t result in people being sent to foreign dungeons to be tortured — but that designing that system is going to take some time.”

Translation: all that stuff about the need to end rendition? “Oh, that’s just what we call pillow talk, baby, that’s all.”

Moe Lane

PS: Remember.  Eastasia.  We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

*Notice that the name is Human Rights Watch: not, say, Human Rights Defense. Betcha they’ll be doing a lot of watching over the next four years, let me tell you.

Crossposted at Moe Lane.


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Are you suggesting things have Changed, Moe?

Loren Heal (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 11:42AM EST (link)

Obama is Change. Anything else can stay outwardly the same, but will be changed by the expanding penumbra of his protective presence.


Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

Leader one must be obeyed

Princeliberty Monday, February 2nd at 12:43PM EST (link)

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/02/the-rendition-c.html

Check out the insane Andrew Sullivan. This was all evil under Bush but is right and just under Obama.

I wonder if Obama announced that homosexual was wrong if Sullivan would announce he is into girls now?

Princeliberty

His point is it's not the same thing

anodized Monday, February 2nd at 12:51PM EST (link)

We’ve seen examples of rendition gone wrong, i.e., Khaled Masri. What does rendition gone right look like? How is what Obama doing different?

“The clear abandonment of the Bush-Cheney torture program makes the detention and rendition of terror suspects much less worrying – both in terms of the damage done to reliable intelligence and the moral cost of betraying core Western values.”

No torture makes it ok, at least according to Andrew Sullivan.

The wider point stands: those who criticized Bush over this tactic ought not fawningly give Obama a pass.

Right, it depends on how you define "torture"

jimmuy8 (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 1:18PM EST (link)

There really wasn’t any actual, you know, proof that there was real life torture going on under Bush. Oh, I know: Lots and lots of smoke-like stuff proves there must be a raging forest fire. But, the definition of “torture” was really: Anything Bush does.

The bottom line: Bush said he didn’t torture any suspects and everyone called him a liar vs. Obama says he won’t torture any suspects and everyone believes him.

Neither Bush nor 0 will ever reveal just what rules they follow. So, it comes down to trust. And if you didn’t trust Bush, then you have no reason to now trust 0.

Trust Dear Leader (or die).

 
 
 
 

Do as the Zero says,

Wayne (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 11:49AM EST (link)

not as he does. Wonder which list of countries he’s looking at? Maybe he’ll render all of them to Venezuela, so Hugo can release them, or at least fly them back to Iraq or Afghanistan, first class, of course. Or try to convince Ahmedinnerjacket he’s a nice guy, and just run them up to the border and drop them off to Iranian Quds force?

“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF

 

I have prepared myself to this kind of things.... CHANGE in position if need be.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Monday, February 2nd at 12:50PM EST (link)

That’s Obama.

He’s the Change we can hardly believe in.

We are fighting against liberals and dems…. politicians with no specific stance at all. All they care about is personal glory/power.