Thank you for writing this diary. You saved me the trouble of writing one on the same subject. I live in San Francisco, home to a huge gay population, and here Prop.8 failed to pass,but in the black community it passed overwhelmingly. The pastors of all the black churches in town were really pushing hard for it to pass. Since a lot of people have been trying to equate civil rights for blacks in the 1960′s with gay rights in this decade,the black churches in San Francisco are being heavily criticized by gays leaders here. Not a peep from the major paper here the San Francisco Chronicle. The Mormons are criticized,but not the black pastors. It makes me laugh.

I agree with the NYT. They said:

…including acceptance of marriage between gay men and women.

Heck, most of the posters on Redstate shouldn’t have a problem with that. If gay men want to be able to marry women they should be able to.

Moe…Moe…Moe

It is sad when you don’t toe the line, California is turning social conservative, or so say the wise sages here at Red State…Full disclosure I voted FOR Prop 8!

Prop 8 was a reflection of both a disgust with the CA supreme court overturning Prop 22, the will of the people, and the good work of the Church of Latter Day Saints and African Americans who came out to vote for “The One”.

But the story here on RS is that California is turning social conservative, see they passed Prop 8, get with the program.

Ok…you don’t have to, but think about getting that “I Heart Sarah” tattoo.

(a) The reason CA Prop 8 passed is because people voted for it (truisms are reliably true, thank goodness). If the left is bothered by that they shouldn’t try to blame blacks, Mormons, or old white people. That’s stupid. Lots of people voted for the proposition. They were the reason it passed, not any one demographic, especially not one as relatively small in CA as blacks.

(b) To the extent that CA is a Liberal state and votes for Liberal things the success of Proposition 8 is a problem for Liberals. I think that is obvious. If you’re the majority party and you fail, well, duh it’s your problem.

(c) There IS a slight difference between voters of a state (black, Mormon, old and white) voting for something in large numbers and an outside entity pouring money into that state. Now, this is hardly a SHOCKING^tm thing for a group to do; the Democrats and Republicans do it all the time in Congressional races and I bet gay rights groups did it in the California.

So, while I am perhaps biased against the Mormons (while really liking those I know personally) for trying to pass something I wanted to fail, I also have to admit that other groups on the other side were doing the exact same thing as they were.

And that last point — both sides poured in money — would’ve been more on-point and salient than talking about the black or latino exit poll results, I think.

I’m here in the SF Bay Area. It’s interesting that blacks had such an impact on this issue, given that they are only 7% of the state’s population.

California has a Domestic Partners law. That law gives “full spousal rights” to gay couples under CA law, meaning it bestows all the rights on gay couples that California can do under state law. It does not affect federal law, of course.

Even if Prop 8 had been defeated, there would have been no change in status for gay couples in California. They would have been “married”, but other than the word, nothing would have changed.

But, of course, the gay left had to push for “marriage”, knowing full well nothing would change.

I talked to a lot of co-workers at my job who were convinced that if gay marriage were the law in CA it would force the feds to recognize it. Well, no.

I’m a gay man. Yes, there are lots of us here who are conservative in most things, but we ARE gay and we live with that every day. I am happy with the DP law and saw no reason to antagonize people who have a problem with the “marriage” issue. Since DP is legally the same as “marriage”, why push this?

Because they could. And now we are seeing the results: threats against churches, violence in the streets, etc.

Believe me, gay people like me hate the “activist” crowd and just wish they would go away. They really are not helping anything at all.

I didn’t know there were that many in California.

The idea that the MORMONS, of all people, have this incredible sway over California politics and culture is just too delicious to be believed.

I’ve long been concerned, for example, about the degraded values demonstrated by Hollywood. But now I know who to blame. It’s the Mormons!

will find a way to invalidate the vote.
Don’t worry.
Progress cannot be held up by pesky things like democracy.
Democracy only exists when the people vote democrat.
As if.

The old-fashioned word for such spewings is that someone has an excess of spleen.

It is (nearly) incomprehensible to me that even the leftist illuminati at the NYT should find something to gripe about after this milestone election.

To argue that same-sex marriage is an issue of civil rights, not even the new President-Elect is willing to assert, leaving the decision to states.

The foul mood of the uber-liberal publication is difficult to explain in the midst of the national euphoria.

But I find that I am less and less surprised at the Times these days.

It’s interesting to see how much of a paradox liberals can put on bigotry.

that the LDS church thought very hard before the decision was made to invest so much time and money working on this issue. The LDS organization is unlike others in that we do not get paid to ‘work’ as leaders of our Church. Nor does our Church have any debt. ZERO! (If only the gov’t were so efficient)

All of our leaders are from our congregations. They do not simply decide to support a cause or not. It is all about what we believe in. Marriage is between a man and a woman. That is one of our core values. I’m grateful that my Church chose to tackle this issue.

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A paper that is so far down that the stock is in Junk Bond Status.

Why worry about a paper that no one reads anymore?

about.

Seeing that they won the big one, they needed to fall back on this as something to complain about, to find the hatred in the right that just isn’t there.

By the way, I don’t see anyone voting yes on this being full of hate for homosexuals, they just want marriage to be what is traditionally meant to be.

Why is just because people want marriage to be one man one women for the betterment of their children that automatically means that they are filled with hatred for homosexuals.

Neither are they discriminated against, they can marry anyone from the opposite sex just like I can.

allows them to ooze with bigotry while still pretending to take the “moral” high ground. The amount of vitrol spewn forth by the left toward the LDS church on this is amazing. Especially considering that the vote of church members didn’t make up even a significant fraction of the overall “yes” votes.

The LDS church itself did not contribute money to passing prop 8. It encouraged its members to become involved both monetarily and with their time toward passage of prop 8. So . . .citizens can’t contribute their own money to a cause they believe in if it clashes with the wishes of the left?

Now a left wing blogger is encouraging a huge boycott of Utah (because all those Utahns that voted for prop 8 should be punished . . .?)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449024,00.html

Imagine if the boycott was aimed at the other groups who voted for prop 8.

The time when the NYT is a giveaway on the street corner can’t come soon enough for me.

NYT is one of those liberal media which influenced the last republican primaries.

PS: I’m not a Romney fan.

The decision by the NYT to attack the Mormons was easy. After all, who will stand up for the Mormons? If they can make this into an “us vs. the Mormons” issue they win.

Anti-religious bigotry is alive and well on the left. Nowhere is it more evident than in their treatment of Mormons. Similar anti-Mormon bigotry occasionally seeps into blogs on the right as well. As an example, a few days ago a poster on RedState referred to Mitt Romney as anti-Christian.

We Mormons are realiably conservative. We have the money, the volunteers and the determination to support conservative, family-oriented values. It is time for those who share these values to recognize that the left (not just the NYT) is trying to push the narrative that the Mormons were responsible for passing Prop. 8. They are hoping that no one will be willing to take the heat with the Mormons.

If those of you who supported Prop. 8 stay silent and let the Mormons take sole responsibility for this, the next time the issue comes up the left will win.

How the liberals like to respect the voice of the citizenry when its in their favor. This goes for everything from presidential elections to our many legislative fights over the past two years.

that those people who campaigned on gay marriage as a ‘civil rights’ issue were defeated by the voters who KNOW what a Civil Rights issue truly is, the black voters of California. Its also kind’ve weird to hear these same liberals talk about this as ‘progress’, when clearly this would be the opposite of progress, as this sort of thing was quite popular a long time ago, in places like Ancient Rome and Sodom and Gomorrah, pleces like that. I’d say gay marriage is very REgressive, not progressive. Progress would be getting away from stuff like that and moving forward into a more moral society.

PS the only reason these fringe elements are attacking the mormons instead of the catholics, protestants, etc is strictly because they’re the least popular of those groups, and thus the easiest target. Hopefully the mormons wont back down in the face of the challenge by the forces of evil, but will rise to the challenge and overcome it.