Barney Frank wants to cut defense spending by 25% and raise taxes.


This is truth.

This is not an exaggeration or euphemism. This is his intent.

NEW BEDFORD — After the November election, Democrats will push for a second economic stimulus package that includes money for the states’ stalled infrastructure projects, along with help paying for healthcare expenses, food stamps and extended unemployment benefits, U.S. Rep. Barney Frank said Thursday.

In a meeting with the editorial board of The Standard-Times, Rep. Frank, D-Mass., also called for a 25 percent cut in military spending, saying the Pentagon has to start choosing from its many weapons programs, and that upper-income taxpayers are going to see an increase in what they are asked to pay.

The military cuts also mean getting out of Iraq sooner, he said.

Via The Hill, via Commentary.

Let’s establish a few things, here.

  • You may think that cutting defense spending is a good idea. Fine. But let us establish this: cutting defense spending by 25% means that, somewhere down the line, people will lose jobs. Reducing a budget by roughly 115 billion dollars or so will inevitably result in jobs being lost. There is no way that you can avoid that. {Full disclosure: my wife works for the Navy as a civilian contractor (her job won’t go anywhere).}

  • You may think that spending this money – and lots more of it, probably – on infrastructure projects is a good idea. Fine. But let us establish this: that money is going to have to come from somewhere. And we’re already running at a deficit, remember? It’s less of one than it has been – thanks to Bush’s tax cuts, which the Democrats can’t wait to repeal (which is, by the way, going to increase your tax burden). The money has to be actually raised. There is no way to avoid that.

  • You may think that taxing the higher tax brackets is a good idea. Fine. But let us establish this: higher taxes on the wealthy means that, somewhere down the line, people will lose jobs. Remove the incentive to make money – indeed, take away their money – and less wealth will be created. There is no way to avoid that.

  • You may think that the economic assumptions in the three points above are either partially or completely nonsensical. Fine. But let us establish this: if this happens the way Franks wants it to, and the economy tanks, do not pretend that you were not warned ahead of time.

Fortunately, there is a way to avoid that.

Moe Lane


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Democrats making America vulnerable and broke

hunter (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 1:50PM EST (link)

Just like the old McGovern and Carter days.
Americans dislike high taxes and high vulnerability.
Why do democrats?

hunter

 

The economy is already tanking.

Next93 (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 1:50PM EST (link)

This is the perfect storm for the Democrats; they’ll pass a pile of anti-business legislation, wrap some protectionism around it, and as the economy goes FURTHER down the toilet, they’ll chant the same anti-Bush slogans that they’ve been chanting for 8 years (even though 62 straight months of that 8 years saw positive growth).

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

 

Optimistic???

blh1976 (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 1:56PM EST (link)

I wonder whether the dems will allow GWB to stay in the White House until Jan. 20th.

The dems are awfully optimistic about their chances on Nov. 4th. I wonder if they realize election day has not arrived yet, and their politically stupid comments about taxes, 401k, defense spending very well may be (and should be) used against them? Probably not. They’re already celebrating their “inevitable” victory.

I’m reminded of the Proverb – pride goeth before a fall. They’ve got the pride thing down; here’s hoping for the quick fall.

 

cutting defense and intel

Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 1:56PM EST (link)

Cutting defense and intel is a secret money tree! Kind of reminds me of another administration.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

 

25% cut in military budget means reduced training programs?

Cheetah772 (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 2:01PM EST (link)

I’m very concerned that if 25% cut in military budget is passed, that could mean our military will receive less training, which is needed to keep our soldiers, sailors, and airmen sharp.

Keeping cool equipment but provides subpar training programs still means bad news for us. I don’t want our guys in military acting like third world soldiers with flashy equipment. No way!

One of benefits in Iraq and Afghanistan for our military is that the training gets to be applied in real world and it can be adjusted to reflect new combat realities. Not to mention testing new equipment in combat environment, and bringing home new ideas for fighting the enemies of future.

If that’s alright with you, I’d rather to keep military as it is, or give it an increase in its budget and cut 25% in entitlement programs. Can I get an amen here?!

Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

Amen

woodsman (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 2:08PM EST (link)

With the current situation I would rather see other programs get cut-back and the money be allocated for the military.

Amen

ecwoodrow Friday, October 24th at 2:10PM EST (link)

Can't have the shiny new weapon

HsvConservative Friday, October 24th at 2:44PM EST (link)

systems either. Frank said “We don’t need all these fancy new weapons. I think there needs to be additional review”.
So less $’s for training AND no new fancy weapon systems, yay us.
As a DoD contractor, I am updating my resume to move back into private industry (if any are still left that are hiring) if the Messiah is elected.

 
 
 
 

Impossible to cut.

redalert (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 2:50PM EST (link)

Don’t worry. No matter which administration is in power they can’t really cut the pentagon budget. The reason is that a lot of the budget can’t be touched. For instance the pensions owed to former soldiers. That comes out of the pentagon budget,not the general budget.That amount is in the tens of billions of dollars. They also can’t cut the amount used for medical care for former soldiers or the amount spent in hospitals such as Walter Reed. Political realities also prevent much reduction. Whether Democrat or Republican Senators will not allow the amount spent in their own state to be cut,no matter who gets elected.

Nothing is impossible

hunter (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 3:01PM EST (link)

Barney Frank and the democrats are getting away with, so far, the destruction of the greatest engines of properity ever in American history- FNMMA and FMAC.
Do you think they will find it ‘impossible’to wreck the defense of the nation? Nothing is impossible for dedicated, corrupt imbeciles like Barney Frank.

hunter

It is impossible

redalert (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 3:10PM EST (link)

If it were possible to really cut the military budget previous presidents like Bill Clinton would have cut it. When you start out already HAVING to pay nearly 100 billion dollars for things like pensions you are not left with much room for cutting. Good luck in trying to cut billions of dollars in spending from a state where they build tanks or planes or weapons systems. That budget would die quickly. Democrats love spending. Don’t you get it? They will say one thing before the election,but once in power they won’t touch the pentagon budget. To do so is political suicide. If there is one thing Democrats love is to be reelected. Even idiots like Barney Frank. Talk is cheap.

 
 
 

The IRS -- just your average charity

MSO Friday, October 24th at 3:16PM EST (link)

“[U]pper-income taxpayers are going to see an increase in what they are asked to pay.”

Yeah, that’s it. Those letters the IRS sends out every year “asking” people to send money are now going to be “asking” for more. I’m guessing “No” will not be the right answer.

Carter left the military empty

hunter (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 3:40PM EST (link)

They were having to count bullets and restock one ship’s weapons with the one returning to port.
Clinton left the military unable to execute the basic 1-1/2 war strategy of many decades.
Nothign is impossible for dedicated corrupt, stupid democrats.
Why are we arguing this?
Do you have any evidence at all that Obama would not defund Iraq and make our stay there short and ineffective?
No.

hunter

I was in the AF

From ME to You (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 4:00PM EST (link)

when Carter was president! Besides the under the inflation rate pay raises that forced many military families onto the welfare rolls we had to steal electronic parts from damaged circuit boards to keep airplanes flying because we couldn’t get replacement parts!

Don’t tell me they won’t cut the budget! They’ve done it before and will do again given the chance.

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troops don't need all that armor?!?!

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 4:01PM EST (link)

Remember all the discussions of how our Troops “did not have the tools they needed” coming from the Democrats (one of those few times [like a stopped clock] they were right)???

What, of course, you never heard them admit to is how we were short/down 200,000 troops because of the first 2 years of Defense cuts the Dem’s put in motion while Bill had Dem control of Congress.

Remember how Rumsfeld said “we go to war with the army we have?” He should’ve been more clear in that “we have to fight with the DIMINISHED ARMED FORCES the Clinton administration left us, and grossly underfunded budget to supply them.” It was, of course, somehow all George Bush’s fault for not waving a magic wand and correcting all that damage done by the previous administration.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

I was in the AF

From ME to You (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 4:01PM EST (link)

when Carter was president! Besides the under the inflation rate pay raises that forced many military families onto the welfare rolls we had to steal electronic parts from damaged circuit boards to keep airplanes flying because we couldn’t get replacement parts!

Don’t tell me they won’t cut the budget! They’ve done it before and will do again given the chance.

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I don't like Barney Frank, but...

BlackSoul Friday, October 24th at 4:08PM EST (link)

Give him credit for seemingly coming to the realization that there is virtue in fiscal responsibility. If you want to pay for infrastructure projects and unemployment benefits, you can’t just keep borrowing from the Chinese and our future generations. You must cut spending or raise revenue. Would that the current administration taken that advice to heart instead of running us to a ten trillion dollar debt.

 

Barney Frank is a miserable little wretch.

Tim_Schieferecke (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 4:12PM EST (link)

If you need any more reason to get motivated and motivate others, just think of Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Dodd, Frank, Rangel, McDermott, every other damned socialist, having power to ruin America for another two years. Talk to folks you think can be persuaded, and leave kool aid drinkers alone, (waste of time).

Tim Schieferecke

 

There are still some Fools under the delusion BO actually means his run/rhetoric to the center before he rules to the complete Left with Reid/Pelosi

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 4:17PM EST (link)

What we are in store for is a complete REPEAT HISTORY of Bill Clinton’s first two years in office during which he too had Democrat control of Congress (and too many Republicans in the Senate willing to be BI-Partisan which allowed him to get away with it)….

  • SPEND, SPEND, SPEND…
  • CUT (DEFENSE ONLY)…
  • TAX, TAX, TAX (EVERYONE, Clinton raised taxes on people earning as little as $30,000) despite the “PROMISE” of “Middle Class Tax Cuts” (nobody remembers? HONESTLY?!?!) ObamaBinBiden will do the same.

Obama already tipped his hand on his (what they insist was only because it was “a non-binding vote”) to raise taxes on people earning just $42,000. If it was non-binding and he was against raising taxes on people earning less than $250,000, why didn’t he vote AGAINST IT? It was non-binding!!!

Obama Lies and your Bank account will die! — love to make fun of the loony left slogans. Call us the Taxation Truthers!

This time the Leftists may very well have Filibuster proof Senate. Bar the door! You Democrats wanna tell us again what Record (he doesn’t have one, fact is he promised Middle Class Tax relief to get elected to the Senate but offered no Legislation) that you can base his Promises will be kept?!?!

Obama has NO (zip, zero, nada) record of going against his fellow Liberal/Leftists in ANY matters, he will be nothing more than a rubber-stamp of any/all bad ideas coming from the most extreme Socialists (sorry, “Progressives”) in his Party as President.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 

Sigh...

cookcountyconservative (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 4:27PM EST (link)

My husband and I actually sat at the kitchen table last night and discussed cashing in our stocks, selling the house and cars and moving into a cabin in the woods somewhere with some rifles and lots of ammo and try to wait this out.

Again – sigh….

 

let me try this one more time - Can the country afford ObamaBinBiden?

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 4:36PM EST (link)

Obama doctrine:

Can we afford Obama SURRENDER dividend/doctrine? Clinton called it the “Peace dividend” and look how long that cost us, still is!

… and …
Vote Psychology, Bandwagon effect, don’t give up yet

It will take years for this country to overcome the damage an Obambam administration will do to this country. The writing is on the wall… Dem’s left and Lefter (lol) are out-right stating their intent, yet some people still cling to some FANTASY (not Obama’s implication of Joe The Plumber’s ‘Dream’) that Democrats in complete control won’t raise every-one’s taxes in order to meet their Spending desires. Of course, some will be those Welfare checks called Tax cuts, but no REAL tax relief to those who pay them will be seen.

Amazing how pathetically Democrats massacre the language. Up is down in their world.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

Would you believe Reagan?

redalert (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 5:06PM EST (link)

Memory plays tricks on people. Since you don’t believe me,please go to the National Review,the magazine that created the modern conservative movement. On their issue of November 29,1985 there is an article entitled “How Jimmy Carter won the battle of the budget”. Here is what they wrote, “Once more,the actual spending figures under REAGAN bear little resemblance to his original targets,and are much closer to the numbers proposed by Carter. In fact,in EVERY YEAR but 1982 the Reagan defense figures are LOWER than the Carter proposals, in recent years appreciably so.”

People on this site have to stop being so gullible. You actually believe the crap that Obama keeps telling people. Like John McCain said two days ago Obama will say anything to get elected. Obama wants people to believe he is a moderate and will reduce spending. He is in fact the most dangerous politician in America’s history ! He intends to use the military far more than you suspect. Not to help America,but he will make use of the military.

 
 

I have noticed, every time that there is a budget problem, the first thing to get cut is school funding and fire/police services.

Mord (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 5:08PM EST (link)

I doubt any one person knows exactly how many different programs in our country get funded with tax dollars. Why not cut a few of the less absolutely essential programs? How come our education and security systems ALWAYS get de-funded, yet the DC landscaping always looks perfect and our beloved leaders can ride in style in brand-new (leased) luxury vehicles on the taxpayer’s dime?

I have to live on a budget, if I don’t pay essential bills, my lights go out and the police will evict me out of my apartment. The same is true for every other taxpayer. Yet our beloved leaders threaten our safety and stabilty if we don’t pay more taxes EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.

I get so sick of this BS. Try trimming out some govornment beancounters and pencil pushers before you fire cops and gut our national defense budget.

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“Republicans never win polls, they win elections,” – Rudy Giuliani

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I'm with you

1SGinTN (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 5:09PM EST (link)

You’ve got a lot of spine to preach this in your neck of the woods. My hat’s off to you! Drive on JL, drive on!

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

Around the web

bobbymike (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 5:10PM EST (link)

I have been posting at military/defense web sites since Obama was nominated saying Defense would be cut.

The Dems play a little game putting policy ideas from people that are in “safe” seats politically or in the case of Senators not up for re-election (Binghamton – fairness doctrine)

I repeat myself from an earlier diary entry “why do the Dems want to spend on everything that is not in the constitution and not on the things explicitly IN THE CONSTITUTION like defense?”

They are big government socialists and I say without fear – unlike Rep. Bachmann – THEY ARE UNAMERICAN THEY WANT TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION!!!!

No! We can't Afford Obama/Biden

DavidS1787 (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 5:23PM EST (link)

Start with

Wayne (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 5:33PM EST (link)

the Department of Education. Then again, Mord, you could start a diary on what to cut.

“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF

 
 
 
 
 

Barney Frank will Kill The Economy!

DavidS1787 (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 5:34PM EST (link)

Vote

McCain/Palin

link

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 5:46PM EST (link)

guess that didn’t come across as a RS-discussion-link: Obama SURRENDER doctrine/dividend discussion link or was/is it unworthy of discussion? (you’re gonna make me sad – lol)

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

Agree

1SGinTN (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 6:49PM EST (link)

Then we could repeal the 16th Amendment and eliminate every cabinet post not in George Washington’s government and start fresh. That’s my position and we can negotiate from there.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

 
 
 

Why is it...

itrytobenice (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 10:52PM EST (link)

Why is it that the ignorant democrats are willing to cut funding from the only thing that it is absolutely necessary for the feds to spend our money on (national defense) so they can spend more money on things that are arguably unconstitutional, e.g. wages for non-workers (unemployment), food handouts, healthcare and state building projects?

Are we governed by morons? Never mind. I know the answer to that.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


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Time for Women to be drafted?

meyermom Saturday, October 25th at 10:18AM EST (link)

There will be a huge exodus of military members leaving the military anyway. After all, being patriotic means paying more taxes. The bigger issue is, who will replace them when Biden’s prophesied crisis happens next year? Obama is on record at least twice for saying he supports women being registered in the selective service along with men. And he certainly will not want the military to be 95% afro-american. His followers as volunteers? Riiight. So that leaves a draft. How do we feel about young mothers, our sisters, our daughters being forced into the military? I served active duty Navy for five years followed by 21 years reserves and I am a woman. I know that it is still a man’s world. I support woman volunteers.

 

Time for Women to be drafted?

meyermom Saturday, October 25th at 10:19AM EST (link)

There will be a huge exodus of military members leaving the military anyway. After all, being patriotic means paying more taxes. The bigger issue is, who will replace them when Biden’s prophesied crisis happens next year? Obama is on record at least twice for saying he supports women being registered in the selective service along with men. And he certainly will not want the military to be 95% afro-american. His followers as volunteers? Riiight. So that leaves a draft. How do we feel about young mothers, our sisters, our daughters being forced into the military? I served active duty Navy for five years followed by 21 years reserves and I am a woman. I know that it is still a man’s world. I support woman volunteers.

 

I'm OK with this...

GeorgiainOhio Saturday, October 25th at 4:51PM EST (link)

Hey, as long as Karl Marx is consistent, I don’t have a problem with this. Let’s make a list:

  1. Education gets a 25% cut (before eradicating the federal DOE all together).

  2. Medicaid/Medicare gets a 25%.

  3. All welfare payments get cut 25%.

  4. All Congressional, Executive and Judicial branch salaries get a 25% cut across (making them subject to the same taxes as you and I).

  5. National Endowment for the Farts gets eradicated all together.

A solution, within our control, to a lot of our problems (both D’s & r’s) rests in two words: Term Limits.

 

I'm OK with this...

GeorgiainOhio Saturday, October 25th at 5:02PM EST (link)

Hey, as long as Karl Marx is consistent, I don’t have a problem with this. Let’s make a list:

  1. Education gets a 25% cut (before eradicating the federal DOE all together).

  2. Medicaid/Medicare gets a 25%.

  3. All welfare payments get cut 25%.

  4. All Congressional, Executive and Judicial branch salaries get a 25% cut across (making them subject to the same taxes as you and I).

  5. National Endowment for the Farts gets eradicated all together.

A solution, within our control, to a lot of our problems (both D’s & r’s) rests in two words: Term Limits.

 

How long will America tolerate Barney Frank

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 9:44PM EST (link)

I know he is gay, not that there is anything wrong with that.
But he hides behind his gayness as if it is his invisible shield to hide his idiotic stupidity. With as much as he has done to *uck up America – it’s time to hit the road Barney. He was done as much harm to America as any terrorist. Until we stand up to such pukes we will keep getting screwed. I don’t want to bend over for anymore Barney Franknfurters. We need responsible Americans in Congress. Ones that respect all viewpoints not just who they think will vote for them. This is supposed to be a government for the people by the people. Barney is running around Washington like he is a Roman Senator at a giant toga party. How much longer will it go on?

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

It's not America that's the problem

Bill S (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 9:50PM EST (link)

It’s Barney’s district. It does make you wonder about their collective intelligence, though.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 
 

Yes I know....

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 9:54PM EST (link)

I guess I was projecting on out. I still consider the people in his district Americans. Not very smart ones, but still Americans.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

we need both

Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:03PM EST (link)

we need better training, higher standards and cutting edge equipment. Russia and China are pouring money into defense (offense), our technology is second to none and needs to stay that way.

For example, British and Canadian troops are pretty much our equals man to man, some might not like that, but it is ball park true. But only the US can project force in a massive way. We need those carriers, stealth technology, and the next generation SDF. We also need to spend on space, missile defense, and defense against cyber attacks.

Of course we need to train, feed, equip, and give a decent standard of living to our troops. We also need to train the best officers. I would also say our troops are already the best trained and combat hardened group we will ever have if another conflict arises. There is no substitute for the real thing, that is why the Afghan enemy is so tough, they have been at war for so long.

In summation, I agree we must spend wisely and we must increase the size of our military. We must plan for occupations, anti-terrorism, and major conventional and nuclear threats. That does not sound to me like we need to be decreasing defense spending.

Molon Labe!

chill

Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 11:21PM EST (link)

and stop insulting us. Carter demoralized the entire country, including the military. Reagan built up our military and gave it the pride it has always deserved. Clinton greatly damaged the military by skewing its mission into a quasi peace corps with guns re. Somalia.

You say we are gullible, then you direct us to an article from 23 years ago? I am guessing you are not long for this site, and I have a record on this, it is over 90 percent. I can’t ban you, and don’t think what you said I have read is bannable, but I always get a feeling before someone goes over the edge and meets the wrath of Moe.

Molon Labe!