Good. We’ll make this brief.
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The Democrats are proposing to end the tax breaks on 401(k) plans. That means no incentive for employer matching funds, which will promptly go away: you will instead be given up to $600 dollars a year by the government. Hope that you weren’t counting on your employer’s matching funds for your retirement!
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You will also be required to contribute 5% of your gross income per year, which will be locked into a 3% annual rate of return via government bonds. And, no, you do not have a say in how they invest the money. Based on what I can tell about Teresa Ghilarducci – the genius who apparently came up with this exercise in applied looting, and who briefed the Democrats on it last week – she’s about as interested in actual middle-class opinions as the rest of the New School for Social Research. God save us from academic economists.
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Yes, this is a welfare system. Of course, this hurts the poor disproportionately. Indeed, this is a rather drastic, socialist notion that reminds many people of the games that Argentina is contemplating playing with with regard to nationalizing their private pension fund system. And, yes, the difference in what you’re being forced to invest in the government, and what the government will deign to give back to you, can be significant.
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That’s why the Democrats are doing it – particularly Representative George Miller, Democrat from California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington. They think that they know better than you do about how to spend your money.
After all, what could possibly go wrong?
Moe Lane
Neil Stevens
Steve Maley
Socialist
gekster (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 3:38PM EST (link)Socialists want the same for everybody.
But since it can’t promise wealth for everyone, it wants to make everyone poor. That is except for themselves.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
This is very disturbing
TheShovelJockey (Moby) Thursday, October 23rd at 4:05PM EST (link)A knee-jerk reaction to the current short-term volatility of the market. To replace 401(k)s with an involuntary system which returns 3% a year? That’s total bullshit. I can’t imagine that this plan would have much support except among the most liberal wing of the Democratic Party, and can only hope that something as stupid as this would never pass even under Democratic control of the Whitehouse and Congress.
I've been warning friends about this
persiflage Thursday, October 23rd at 4:16PM EST (link)coming attack for years. Call me suspicious, call me paranoid if you like. There was no way this huge pool of money, totally under the control of private citizens, would escape the notice of the greedy, grasping, power-hungry politicians. They see that money, and they want it. When certain politicians say that allowing you to save and invest your own earned money is a “government subsidy” – look out. It’s clear they think it all rightfully belongs to them.
“A republic, if you can keep it…” – B. Franklin
401K
redalert (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 4:50PM EST (link)Gee,what a surprise! With the government now owning a share of the nine major banks in the country,under Barack Obama the government will soon have access to those mandatory 5% contributions. You see,people can’t be allowed to be greedy any more. Don’t think that those contributions you make are just for YOU ! No. They are for EVERYBODY. You must learn to share,Comrade Moe or you will be exiled !
Hmmm
MattW Thursday, October 23rd at 5:04PM EST (link)I’ve seen both parties pass some insanely stupid things. My 401(k) has no match, and I still max it out. But my problem here is that the government — Republican or Democrat — has shown absolutely no ability to keep their hands off of other similar things (ie, Social Security). Now we’re going to collect $500B+ per year, and stick it an account the feds can raid to deficit spend? No thanks.
I sincerely doubt this will go anywhere, but if it did pass, it would likely lead to a serious reversal of the gains the Democrats are making.
Not really accurate
MattW Thursday, October 23rd at 5:11PM EST (link)Unless I misread, the “subsidy” was a tax deduction on the matching part of the 401(k), not your contribution.
Although calling that a subsidy isn’t accurate, either.
WHY THE HELL ISN'T MCCAIN TALKING ABOUT THIS???
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 5:22PM EST (link)Sorry, I almost never resort to all caps, but this is one that requires SHOUTING. The lack of exposure of this particular point is a sure sign that John McCain cannot campaign his way out of a paper bag. This should be on the tip of his tongue at every campaign stop, on every TV ad and mailing. Talk about a key point.
JEEZ!
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
AGREED!!!!!
ZootSuit (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 5:28PM EST (link)And I’m shouting, too!
More, this isn’t just an anti-Obama ad. This is an anti-Democrat ad.
WHERE IS THE RNC ON THIS!
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Because he is hammering on this & it's working great
PaRep (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 5:31PM EST (link)http://www.cnbc.com/id/27339578/print/1/displaymode/1098/
This poll is worth a diary, Pa
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 5:44PM EST (link)Someone was asking about this the other day, and I had to point to a Gallup poll from June.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
Go ahead Dave you are MUCH better than me
PaRep (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 5:47PM EST (link)have at it
Run ads on this in NoVA
paint_it_red (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:32PM EST (link)Government workers, plentiful in Northern Virginia’s all important swing counties will not stand for this. McCain should be highlighting this in NoVA immediately and every day until the election.
“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau
“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.
“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II
They've been wanting this for years
SeriousLaff (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:49PM EST (link)Clinton as the huge pile of money in the nations pension funds and wanted his hands on it as well. They thought it would be great if fund managers were required to put the money into public “investments” like roads and bridges regardless of the low return. He just didn’t have enough support in congress. Obama will.
You know, Zoot
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 6:53PM EST (link)If you voted, maybe someone who would veto this might win the election.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
At this point...
ElectGoldwater Thursday, October 23rd at 9:49PM EST (link)I can’t afford to contribute 5% to my 401(k), even if it is pre-tax. If they make it mandatory and post-tax, I’ll be too scared to look at my checkbook.
Congress does not have constitutional authority to force retirement contributions, but they do have constitutional authority to levy TAXES. I guess its a good thing Obama promised to not raise TAXES on anyone making under $250K. Otherwise, I’d have to be worried.
Of course, a few years of Carter-esque inflation and I just might find myself making over $250K, labeled as ‘too greedy’ and square in Democrat sights. Then I’d be just like Joe the Plumber: In a world of [stool].
Another great idea from McDermott
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 10:59PM EST (link)or should I say Baghdad Jim.
These are Obama’s surrogates. Hope and change, we can do it!
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
If I voted, someone who might support this might get elected
ZootSuit (Diary) Friday, October 24th at 12:48AM EST (link)And the really sad thing is, if he did, I think half the conservative movement would excuse it; arguing that, “Hey, the other guy would have done worse.”
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