Part One had Colmes doing an excellent example of a poleaxed bull (who would have thought that a few sheets of paper could carry such a wallop?):
Temp…
…while Part Two had this Steve Murphy guy almost frothing at the mouth from the way that Erick (and, belatedly, Alice Stewart) kept jabbing him.
But Part Three – the Lefty blog that I pulled the video links from – has a special charm all its own. Speaking as a relatively new parent, I can only breathe a huge sigh of relief: we have yet to get nearly as impressive a tantrum from our child as the one we’re seeing from News Hounds.
Enjoy. The Left didn’t.
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Way to go Erick!
Red_Wing (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 2:12AM EST (link)You are a stud, I was stoked to see someone stand their ground and state their case!
Combs, he’s getting SO predictable, day in and day out, today though he was just run over…;-)
Cheers!
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Reading the comments at that site
bk (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 4:08AM EST (link)reveals what a bunch of whackjobs the Obots are.
Great job Erick..
jdub19 Friday, August 22nd at 6:12AM EST (link)so…you’ve got a little bit of P&V in you?…
Good to see…wish more in the GOP did
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Calm, cool, collected.
NightTwister (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 6:40AM EST (link)It was apparent that Colmes didn’t like your free speech assessment of Obama’s votes.
Now that was some straight talk.
Great job, Erick.
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Erick, you need a new tie
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 6:58AM EST (link)Brooks Brothers has free shipping for online purchases. You may want to check it out…. Just kidding; not.:-)
I saw this live as I was eating dinner. Thank God it was TV, because otherwise I would have been grossed out by the gratuitous spittle coming from Murphy; ewww.
Since body language is very important. Notice you had Colmes leaning over and spending significant time looking at notes. That is a submissive posture – in case you are interested.
Keep pounding on this brother.
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Poor Alan...
MetaCosm (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 7:11AM EST (link)I almost feel bad watching someone get torn apart on facts… You could almost see it register that he kept saying 1976 and Erick kept saying 1984.
It was a fun segment to watch, because while Erick was the quiet one, he was the one with actual details, facts, and information. They type of stuff that might let someone do research on their own.
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Great Job Erick! And "those are the facts"
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 7:12AM EST (link)seems to be the best response to the lefties. They can’t reasonably respond to that. Keep it going!
And thanks for posting this Moe. I missed these arguments when they were broadcast and wouldn’t have seen this if you hadn’t given us the vids.
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One thing that stuck out to me
mikefisk (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 7:28AM EST (link)In part two, the Gephardt advisor was able to say, unchallenged, that John McCain wouldn’t allow for an abortion under any circumstances whatsoever… as far as I know his position, that isn’t the case. After all, the absolutist position (no rape/incest/life of the mother exceptions) is almost as far outside the mainstream as Obama’s position (which that should’ve been pointed out… even if true, it’s less crazy than allowing a living child to be murdered).
And that same shill’s “take away a woman’s right to choose” line being repeated over and over as his fallback is almost creepy after a few listens.
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"There is a difference between Barack Obama and John McCain on this issue"
Canthros (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 7:59AM EST (link)Yes, yes I think that is what try are trying to say!
I have some sympathy for these poor guys trying to defend Obama on this issue. The whole thing would be funny (in a dark, tasteless sort of way) if it weren’t actually true.
This too shall pass.
Way to go Eric
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 8:29AM EST (link)you looked and sounded awesome. No matter how the liberals try to spin this they lose. Obama said what he said and they can’t change it. Keep up the good work.
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I wonder if the Gephardt guy was one of those "personally opposed" Catholics
streetwise (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 8:55AM EST (link)like his former boss.
This has got to stop.
chemjeff (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:03AM EST (link)For all the things that Barack Obama is (i.e., arrogant lying proto-Marxist liberal snob), he’s not a baby-killer. Remember the SCHIP debate of a few months back? Nancy Pelosi proposed this dramatic expansion of SCHIP, ostensibly to “help the children”, but what we conservatives really understood was that it represented the camel’s nose under the tent towards socialized medicine. They even admitted as such in moments of candor. We were right to oppose it on these grounds and of course we were falsely accused of hating children by “our friends” on the left. I view BAIPA as no different from Obama’s point of view. That is essentially why groups like NARAL oppose partial-birth abortion bans – they view them as the slippery slope to overturning Roe v. Wade, and I think that is a far more likely reason why Obama would oppose BAIPA. That is bad enough – he opposed a bill that was unanimously favored in the US Senate and has broad bipartisan support all over the country. That definitely puts him on the extreme liberal edge of abortion politics in this country. But it’s not because he has some bloodlust for infant flesh. We risk ruining our own credibility when we make claims like this. After all our side will have a great deal more to say about Obama in the future, and we don’t want our future statements which are also going to be quite important in speaking to Obama’s judgment (Rezko anyone?) in addition to this issue, and we don’t want our other legitimate claims to be dismissed casually as “oh that’s coming from the same folks who think Obama’s a baby-killer, they will say anything to trash him”. Look, it’s very very VERY important that Obama loses. If he wins, it is a certainty that we will get socialized medicine and that change will be irreversible – not even Gingrich’s Class of 1994 was able to eliminate even a single government agency, let alone something big like socialized medicine. We will advance rapidly down the slippery slope of Europeanization where we have sluggish economic growth, huge tax burdens, and an ever-more intrusive nanny state, not to mention significantly reducing our chances of victory in the GWOT. The stakes are just way too high to risk so much of our credibility on a claim of infanticide that is IMO dubious. Obama’s votes can be explained in a manner that is far more consistent with extreme liberal politics and does not cast him in the role of moral monster, which nobody will believe anyway. That is my sermon for today.
Typical Democrat
Right_Again (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:10AM EST (link)Steve Murphy knew that time was limited and so instead of addressing the topic under discussion, he tried to shift the topic to his total misrepresentation of McCain’s record. This is a typical Democrat’s response. They try to get the conservatives to waste their time responding to an outrageous misrepresentation rather than discuss the facts of the stated topic.
No. Obama IS a baby-killer. Period. How else can you explain what abortion is? -nt
Cheetah772 (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:14AM EST (link)nt
Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.
Barack Obama is not a baby killer
Erick Erickson (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:15AM EST (link)I told Alan Colmes that too.
Barack Obama is not a baby killer.
He just supports the rights of others to finish off a baby born alive after an abortion.
It’s still infanticide. He’s just not the one wielding the scalpel.
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So, in the other words, Obama is an accessory to murder? -nt
Cheetah772 (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:19AM EST (link)nt
Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.
I agree with you
Right_Again (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:22AM EST (link)I don’t think accusing Barack of supporting infanticide is a winning argument. He does not support infanticide. He supports a woman’s right to an abortion to the extreme that even if the abortion is botched and the baby is born alive, the woman’s choice to abort should still be honored.
I realize that distinction is splitting hairs, but there is a difference. When we accuse him of supporting infanticide the left reinterprets that to supporting killing babies. Thus making it sound so outrageous that people will think conservatives must be making it up.
If, OTOH, we present his position as being an extreme protection of the woman’s right to choose, most people will believe that and be appalled at the extent to which he is willing to offer his support.
We need to avoid the term ‘infanticide’ and focus on his ‘extremely pro-choice views’.
He's kind of like the Germans that lived outside of Auschwitz.
Tim_Schieferecke (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:23AM EST (link)Wait, he was even worse than them. He was in a position of power to do something about it and he chose to back the monsters instead.
Tim Schieferecke
Germans in Poland?
NightTwister (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:25AM EST (link)Perhaps you meant Dachau?
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You got me. I would blame it on the pain medicine I'm on, but I'm not Barry.
Tim_Schieferecke (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:28AM EST (link)My history is off a little bit.
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I disagree
streiff (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:30AM EST (link)I think we need to call killing an viable infant, ex utero, what it is: infanticide.
What else is it? If you committed the same act in a hospital nursery instead of a hospital linen closet I’m pretty sure what it would be called.
I think we need to let Obama’s defenders explain that this is the pro-choice position and not infanticide.
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it's all about semantics. Think pro-choice vs. pro-abortion label, a fine line drawn, but means the same thing. -nt
Cheetah772 (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:35AM EST (link)nt
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Simple things are the best
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:41AM EST (link)Right_Again
I’m a moderate on the abortion issue, probably don’t agree with 99 percent of the hard core Pro-Life folks here, but even I think there are Bright Lines.
One Bright Line is allowing a human being born from a botched abortion to die because saving this life as “The One” puts it “Just gets in the way of the decision to abort”.
The argument the Pro-Choice folks make is that the right of women of control of their body is paramount, and no law should take away control of their bodies. Well once a human life is not part of a woman’s body, then that argument fails and fails miserably. “The One” does not get that point and that is THE POINT.
Call it infanticide, call it failing to understand that there are Bright Lines of right and wrong, call it what you want, but it’s wrong and even those of us who aren’t ardently Pro-Life get that point. John Q. Public who is also mostly Libertarian on the abortion issue, also gets that point. About the only one that does not get that point is “The One” and the public needs to get that message loud and clear.
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Did anyone else catch how Alan Colmes tried to blame the nurse?
NightTwister (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:42AM EST (link)When the issue came up about the nurse that came out and told what was happening with these children, Colmes basically accused her of not doing anything to keep them alive, specifically referring to the time she held the infant for 45 minutes while he died.
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Well done, Erick.
randy streu (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:42AM EST (link)I saw the interview last night, and, darnit, I was just proud.
Watching those clowns fuming in anger was seriously the best part of my day yesterday. And I’m extremely pleased at how you kept calm, while you had those two nutjobs literally SCREAMING that Obama DID NOT support infanticide. You could almost see them plugging their ears in the face of the facts going “la la la, I’m not listening.”
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jdub19 Friday, August 22nd at 9:49AM EST (link)scumbaggary
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Punished with a baby
Sanjong_Thapa Friday, August 22nd at 9:49AM EST (link)Infanticide-supported Obama will do whatever it takes to protect women from being ‘punished with a baby’.
Yes, you're absolutely right
chemjeff (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 9:56AM EST (link)There is a Bright Line and Obama stands firmly on the other side of that line as compared to the rest of the country. His votes on BAIPA demonstrate that. But we risk the ability to make that point forcefully when we degenerate into claims of infanticide. That is my point.
Oh and don’t be fooled that pro-choicers are libertarians when it comes to a woman’s body. They won’t support a woman’s “right” to smoke or drink or do drugs while pregnant, for instance, even though it’s the identical libertarian argument. They aren’t libertarians, they are feminists, which is a far more inchoate philosophy.
Right, because everyone knows that nurses can order medical treatment.
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streiff (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:01AM EST (link)as one of my platoon sergeants used to say.
I agree. What I disagree with is the idea that we should be the one’s doing the semantic soft shoe on this.
It is a major victory if we can make them equate Obama’s position with mainstream pro-choice views, a position I think they have to take. Or we have to make his supporters acknowledge that Obama is pro-choice to a greater extreme than NARAL.
But that is their responsibility, not ours.
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Let me remind all of you of an abortion survivor that Barack would have the "doctor" throw away...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:02AM EST (link)To the gates of Hell to you Margaret Sanger and now Barack Obama
I did a post on this young lady and her stand that embarrassed the Colorado Democrats…
“Her name was Gianna Jessen.
Gianna said “Hello,” welcomed everyone, and then sang three of the most beautiful Christian songs I have ever heard.
She then began to give her testimony. When her biological mother was 17 years old and seven and a half months pregnant, she went to a Planned Parenthood clinic to have an abortion. As God would have it, the abortion failed and a beautiful 2-pound baby girl was brought into the world. Unfortunately, she was born with cerebral palsy and the doctors thought that she would never survive. The doctors were wrong.
Imagine the timing! A survivor of a Planned Parenthood abortion arrived in town just days before the Colorado House of Representatives was to celebrate Planned Parenthood’s “wonderful” work.
As I listened to Gianna’s amazing testimony, the Lord inspired me to ask her if she could stay in Denver until Monday morning so that I could introduce her on the floor of the House and tell her story. Perhaps she could even begin the final day’s session by singing our country’s national anthem!”
Gianna’s story
Barack Obama is a killer of babies by default of doing nothing….the abortion doctor is NOT a doctor and THEY will always decide to throw away an aborted baby. Good men allow evil to happen by doing NOTHING Barack Obama is not a good man because HE did something when he voted against the bill.
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NotSoBlueStater (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:06AM EST (link)… that conservatives are dangerously close to overplaying their hand on this one. The facts here are far more damning than anything Erick or anybody else can point out about them.
It would be a big mistake to make Obama look picked on here.
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Can someone please help?
Letters Friday, August 22nd at 10:11AM EST (link)Hello everyone. Sorry that my first post is a question, but so far I haven’t had any luck finding the answer on my own. Does anyone know what, if any, specific state law (which allegedly protected aborted babies born alive) was on the books at the time of BAIPA?? Obama’s “fact check” portion on his website claims the existing law was 720 ILCS 510/6. Was that the one that Erick was referring to last night that was declared unconstitutional in 1984? I’ve looked at that law and it appears to still be valid (although I don’t believe it applies to pre-viable aborted babies as Obama claims). So, if that’s not the law Erick was referring to, what law was declared unconstitutional in 1984?? Does anyone know where I can find that federal case that Erick referenced on the show that declared the law unconstitutional?
I apologize if my question(s) are confusing. Thanks in advance for any help!
I'm still getting over his 'Punished with a baby' comment..
speciallist (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:19AM EST (link)I heard it again yesterday…
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speciallist (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:24AM EST (link)n/p
My point as well
Right_Again (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:25AM EST (link)You nailed it.
Some insist on using terms that will win the battle but lose the war.
The Dems left choice in the rear view mirror a long-time ago
streetwise (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:25AM EST (link)They are full-throated, enthusiastic members of the pro-abortion chorus. The myth that they really wanted “safe, legal, rare” is just that – a myth.
BTW, Erick, your best moment (among many!) was
streetwise (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:41AM EST (link)when you had Colmes digging bookworm style into some inane 1975 law while you just stuck to your guns and repeated that Obama opposed a law that curbed infanticide.
“but is says right here in Sec 3(g)a(ii)…!”
Oh, put a sock in it Alan!
LOL x 2
speciallist (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 10:58AM EST (link)n/p
I am also interested in the court cite
Just_Me Friday, August 22nd at 11:01AM EST (link)I was discussing this issue elsewhere with somebody supporting Obama’s position with the “there was already a law on the books” argument, but I can’t find information on what the law was and why it was inadequate.
Either way Obama has been lying through his teeth in order to avoid this position, because he knows just how extreme it is.
Great job Erick!
franklinjake Friday, August 22nd at 11:07AM EST (link)Quote of the night – “He (B. Hussein Obama) wants you to be able to finish off a kid if it survives an abortion”!!!
I love it!!! Finally, someone with a “pair” sticks up for conservatives!!
A Little History
Strelnikov (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 11:27AM EST (link)Semantics is important in the abortion debate.
Decades ago the left-wing saw they could not win the battle of “when does human life begin?” or the even more ridiculous argument, which was used back then sporadically, that the fetus is not a human being.
Since humans do not give birth to troglodytes or gorillas, that last one was easy to knock down.
Their success in preserving abortion came mainly from their success in changing the language of the debate.
Suddenly they were not “pro-abortion” (and certainly not “anti-life”): they were high-mindedly in favor of the gentle “woman’s right to choose.”
The result is the American holocaust of the last 4 decades.
As of November 4, 2008, the Code Words will be: “Klaatu – Borada – Nikto!”
Erick, another possible response...
Elizabeth (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 11:29AM EST (link)Erick, a suggestion. Next time someone insists that laws were already in place to protect infants born alive after a botched abortion, why don’t you ask them, “Then why isn’t the doctor that allowed this baby to die behind bars today?”
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I don't think so.
larueladue (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 11:30AM EST (link)I don’t think you can overplay this distinction between the two positions. If you look at the world through clear lenses, there is no argument against Obama’s position: he is in favor of, and voted for, letting live-born babies die without medical attention in the event of an unsuccessful abortion. It doesn’t get any starker than this.
yeah, what you all are missing is that the baby could not be saved.
larueladue (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 11:36AM EST (link)If you could have listened to any of her interviews elsewhere, babies such as this one could not be saved: their lungs are not developed enough to provide enough oxygen to their body, even in the full oxygen incubators. There was no way to save the child.
Even if true, that's no way to treat the dying.
NightTwister (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 12:41PM EST (link)Remind me not to include you in my deathbed treatment decision team.
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Baby killers vote to kill babies
hunter (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 1:10PM EST (link)Barak chose to not incvenience doctors at the expense of babies.
He supports baby killers.
Until he came along and redefined ‘extreme pro-abortion’, even the vast majority of democrats supported the right of a born child to live.
Obama, in practically the only example of his leadership on a position, led the democrats to change on this issue.
Of course it is ‘change’ at the price of ‘hope’ for babies.
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Hey, franklinjake
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 1:17PM EST (link)Did you know that when you play sniggering middle school games with Obama’s name, that it becomes tough to take anything said in your comment seriously?
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Neil.....
franklinjake Friday, August 22nd at 1:38PM EST (link)It’s his name……
Poking fun at his name doesn’t take away substance from the issue.
If a man.....
franklinjake Friday, August 22nd at 1:44PM EST (link)If a man took a new born that was just delivered in the hospital minutes before, and killed the baby because he thought the woman should have had an abortion, wouldn’t he be labeled a “monster” and convicted of First Degree Murder (and rightly so…)?
And in California, when Lacy Peterson was killed with a baby that was not yet born, how can someone that kills her also be tried for murder of the unborn baby, if the mother can kill the baby via abortion and not be prosecuted? Seems that saying you can be convicted of murder on the unborn, is saying that the unborn is a life!
Such double standards on the left.
An hour
franklinjake Friday, August 22nd at 1:53PM EST (link)I wish that debate could have went on for an hour…. I am sure that Erick would have went there, but they were cutting him short because of the short segment…..
Erick was in an entirely different league than them all….. his knew the facts better than anyone….
dude, just chill on that
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 2:00PM EST (link)it’s bad form, and we don’t like it here. IN case you didn’t know, Neil is not a spectator here. Listen to him, heed his counsel, and live a long and happy RedState life.
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franklinjake Friday, August 22nd at 2:04PM EST (link)I hear ya……
Perception counts
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 2:38PM EST (link)You know perfectly well why you wrote his name in that contrived way. And when you do that, you distract from anything else you’re saying.
That’s my only point here.
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emmaleee Friday, August 22nd at 3:28PM EST (link)and I loove your cheekies.
Well put SteveLA.
Old_Crow (Diary) Friday, August 22nd at 4:34PM EST (link)Once the baby is living outside the mother’s body (even though the mother wanted to abort) – one cannot argue that ‘control over the women’s body’ is an issue. The baby is living, separate from the mother.
This is a bright line.
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Yeah.....
franklinjake Friday, August 22nd at 5:08PM EST (link)I understand your point.
So that excuses...
Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Wednesday, August 27th at 6:15AM EST (link)…throwing the baby into a janitorial supply closet and leaving it to die?