It takes real skill to write a letter this dumb, but – thank God! – we’re talking about the Democratic Party here, so they had somebody on retainer to do it. Via Gateway Pundit and Talking Points Memo:
Dear Democratic Friends:
2008 is a Democratic year-at all levels in all the states. The opportunity is ours. We just have to seize it.
We experienced an exciting, intense, sometimes difficult, campaign to nominate our presidential candidate. Now it’s over. Barack Obama won.
I supported Hillary Clinton and am proud and pleased that I did. But she lost. Barack Obama won. It’s over.
It is time for all Democrats, supporters of Senator Clinton and all other contenders for the nomination, to stand with him to secure his election and the election of Democrats at all levels of competition.
I must confess a bit of fatigue and irritation with people who continue to carp, complain, and criticize the results of the primary and lay down conditions for their support. The Los Angeles Lakers didn’t establish conditions to recognize the Boston Celtics as NBA Champions; Roger Federer did not demand concessions before recognizing that Rafael Nadal defeated him at Wimbledon.
It is time to act in a mature and resourceful fashion. It’s time to put the primaries behind us. It’s time to support Barack Obama without conditions or demands.
It’s time to WIN for Barack Obama, the Democratic Party, America, and our future. We have an unparalleled opportunity. I hope we will all do everything we can to seize the moment.
See you at the Inauguration.
Sincerely,
Don Fowler
DNC Member At-Large, South Carolina
Former Chair of the Democratic National CommitteeAlice Germond
Secretary, Democratic National Committee
Amusingly, Don Fowler is apparently the guy who changed all the rules in the DNC back in the day, thus eventually causing the Democrats to spend over 400 million dollars this year on a primary that required the intervention of Establishment Democrats. Brilliant job there, Don. No wonder you’re testy.
Let’s just highlight this paragraph again, shall we?
I must confess a bit of fatigue and irritation with people who continue to carp, complain, and criticize the results of the primary and lay down conditions for their support. The Los Angeles Lakers didn’t establish conditions to recognize the Boston Celtics as NBA Champions; Roger Federer did not demand concessions before recognizing that Rafael Nadal defeated him at Wimbledon.
Wasn’t that just the funniest thing? You’d never know from that paragraph that neither of the last two candidates standing in the primaries had managed to do what Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Gore, or Kerry did: to wit, actually win said primary on their own hook. You see, contra to Fowler, the game isn’t actually over yet. It’s effectively over: it’s practically over; and it may even be inevitably over; but it’s not yet actually over. And I can assure the Democrats that neither the Lakers nor Mr. Federer (to use Fowler’s two examples) would quietly let the referees stop either competition with time left on the clock in order to declare a winner.
At this point, some lurkers are muttering that I’m merely causing trouble. True, except for the “merely” part. I know that it’s a real pain for some of you to have to read yet again how badly the Democrats messed up your primary, but as long as the repercussions are bouncing around, I’m going to happily keep pointing them out. And there’s something really fun about this one, especially since it’s causing people to write letters where they yell at other people for committing the grevious sin of being upset that their democratic choices got completely overwritten.
No, really. Take a look at the list below:
DNC John Davies (AK) DNC Blake Johnson (AK) DNC Cindy Spanyers (AK) Tony Knowles (AK) Rep. Artur Davis (AL) Stewart Burkhalter (AL) Del. Eni FH Faleomavaga (AS) Theresa Hunkin (AS) Gov. Janet Napolitano (AZ) Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (AZ) Rep. Harry Mitchell (AZ) Rep. Raul Grijalva (AZ) DNC Charlene Fernandez (AZ) Terry Goddard (AZ) DNC Don Bivens (AZ) Sen. Barbara Boxer (CA) Rep. Anna Eshoo (CA) Rep. Xavier Becerra (CA) Rep. Barbara Lee (CA) Rep. Adam Schiff (CA) Rep. George Miller (CA) Rep. Henry Waxman (CA) Rep. Howard Berman (CA) Rep. Linda Sanchez (CA) Rep. Zoe Lofgren (CA) Rep. Lois Capps (CA) Rep. Pete Stark (CA) Rep. Jim Costa (CA) Rep. Dennis Cardoza (CA) Rep. Jerry McNerney (CA) Rep. Sam Farr (CA) Rep. Bob Filner (CA) Rep. Maxine Waters (CA) Rep. Susan Davis (CA) DNC Hon. Eric Garcetti (CA) DNC Norma Torres (CA) DNC Jeremy Bernard (CA) DNC Mary Ellen Early (CA) DNC Alexandra Gallardo-Rooker (CA) DNC Steven Alari (CA) DNC Inola Henry (CA)
DNC Edward Espinoza (CA) DNC Vernon Watkins (CA) DNC Crystal Strait (CA)
DNC John Perez (CA) DNC Kamil Hasan (CA) DNC Garry Shay (CA) DNC Rachel Binah (CA) DNC Christine Pelosi (CA) DNC Robert Rankin (CA) William Quay Hays (CA) Lou Paulson (CA) Gov. Bill Ritter (CO) Sen. Ken Salazar (CO) Rep. Ed Perlmutter (CO) Rep. John Salazar (CO) Rep. Mark Udall (CO) Rep. Diana DeGette (CO) DNC Pat Waak (CO) DNC Dan Slater (CO) DNC Debbie Marquez (CO) DNC JW Postal (CO) DPL Roy Romer (CO) Federico Pena (CO) Sen. Chris Dodd (CT) Rep. Chris Murphy (CT) Rep. John Larson (CT) Rep. Joe Courtney (CT) DNC Stephen Fontana (CT) DNC Martin Dunleavy (CT) Rep. Rosa DeLauro (CT) Anthony Avallone (CT) DNC Nancy DiNardo (CT) Don Williams (CT) Sen. Tom Carper (DE) DNC John Daniello (DE) DNC Harriet Smith-Windsor (DE) DNC Rhett Ruggerio (DE) Rob Carver (DE) Toby Condliffe (DA) DNC Liv Gibbons (DA) DNC Brent O’Leary (DA) DNC Connie Borde (DA) DNC Christine Marques (DA) Mayor Adrian Fenty (DC) Sen. Michael Brown (DC) Sen. Paul Strauss (DC) Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC) DNC Dr. James Zogby (DC) DNC Arrington Dixon (DC) DNC Jeffrey Richardson (DC) DNC Anna Burger (DC) DNC Ben Johnson (DC) DNC Yolanda Caraway (DC) Yvette Alexander(DC) Harry Thomas Jr.(DC) DNC Anita Bonds (DC) DNC Larry Cohen (DC) Rep. Robert Wexler (FL) Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL) Rep. Alcee L. Hastings (FL) Rep. Corrine Brown (FL) Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (FL) Rep. Ron Klein (FL) DNC Allan Katz (FL) DNC Joyce Cusack (FL) Rep. Kathy Castor (FL) DNC Janee Murphy (FL) DNC Diane Glasser (FL) DNC Mitchell Ceasar (FL) Dan Gelber (FL) Pres. Jimmy Carter (GA) Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA) Rep. Hank Johnson (GA) Rep. John Lewis (GA) Rep. David Scott (GA) Rep. John Barrow (GA) DNC Richard Ray (GA) DNC Michael Thurmond (GA) DNC Mary Long (GA) DNC Jane Kidd (GA) Stephen Leeds (GA) Jaime Paulino (GU) DNC Ben Pangelinan (GU) Rep. Madeleine Bordallo (GU) Sen. Daniel Akaka (HI) Rep. Neil Abercrombie (HI) Rep. Mazie Hirono (HI) DNC Dolly Strazar (HI) DNC Brian Schatz (HI) DNC Kari Luna (HI) James Burns (HI) DNC R. Keith Roark (ID) DNC Hon. Gail Bray (ID) DNC Grant Burgoyne (ID) DNC Jeanne Buell (ID) Gov. Rod Blagojevich (IL) Sen. Barack Obama (IL) Sen. Dick Durbin (IL) Rep. Melissa Bean (IL) Rep. Jerry Costello (IL) Rep. Danny Davis (IL) Rep. Luis Gutierrez (IL) Rep. Phil Hare (IL) Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (IL) Rep. Bobby Rush (IL) Rep. Jan Schakowsky (IL) Rep. Bill Foster (IL) Rep. Dan Lipinski (IL) Rep. Rahm Emanuel (IL) DNC Constance Howard (IL) DNC Margaret Blackshere (IL) DNC Hon. Emil Jones Jr. (IL) DNC Hon. Iris Martinez (IL) DNC Tom Hynes (IL) DNC Willie Barrow (IL) DNC Michael Madigan (IL) DNC John Rednour (IL) DNC Steve Powell (IL) DNC Darlena Williams-Burnett (IL) DNC Margie Woods (IL) DNC Carol Ronen (IL) Richard Daley (IL) Barbara Flynn Currie (IL) Todd Stroger (IL) Rep. Andre Carson (IN) Rep. Baron Hill (IN) Rep. Joe Donnelly (IN) Rep. Peter Visclosky (IN) DNC Cordelia Lewis Burks (IN) DNC Connie Thurman (IN) DNC Joe Andrew (IN) Gov. Chet Culver (IA) Sen. Tom Harkin (IA) Rep. Bruce Braley (IA) Rep. Dave Loebsack (IA) DNC Michael Fitzgerald (IA) DNC Sarah Swisher (IA) DNC Richard Machacek (IA) DNC Scott Brennan (IA) Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (KS) Rep. Dennis Moore (KS) DNC Larry Gates (KS) DNC E. Lee Kinch (KS) DNC Randy Roy (KS) Mark Parkinson (KS) Gov. Steve Beshear (KY) Rep. John Yarmuth (KY) Rep. Ben Chandler (KY) DNC Helen Knetzer (KS) Sen. Mary Landrieu (LA) Rep. William Jefferson (LA) DNC Claude “Buddy” Leach (LA) DNC Patsy Arcenaux (LA) DNC Ben Jeffers (LA) Ray Nagin (LA) Rep. Tom Allen (ME) Rep. Michael Michaud (ME) DNC John Knutson (ME) DNC Marianne Stevens (ME) DNC Jennifer DeChant (ME) DNC Sam Spencer (ME) Gwethalyn Phillips (ME) Sen. Ben Cardin (MD) Rep. Elijah Cummings (MD) Rep. Chris Van Hollen (MD) Rep. John Sarbanes (MD) DNC Michael Cryor (MD) DNC Lauren Glover (MD) DNC Karren Pope-Onwukwe (MD) DNC Janice Griffin (MD) DNC Mary Jo Neville (MD) DNC John Gage (MD) DNC Greg Pecoraro (MD) DNC Belkis Leong-Hong (MD) DNC Heather Mizeur (MD) Parris Glendening (MD) Gov. Deval Patrick (MA) Sen. John Kerry (MA) Sen. Ted Kennedy (MA) Rep. William Delahunt (MA) Rep. Michael Capuano (MA) Rep. John Olver (MA) Rep. Nikki Tsongas (MA) DNC John Walsh (MA) DNC Margaret Xifaras (MA) DNC Raymond Jordan (MA) DNC David O’Brien (MA) DNC Alan Solomont (MA) DNC Paul Kirk (MA) DNC Debra Kozikowski (MA) Rep. Bart Stupak (MI) Rep. John Conyers (MI) Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (MI) DNC Lauren Wolfe (MI) DNC Robert Ficano (MI) DNC Eric Coleman (MI) DNC Virgie Rollins (MI) DNC Brenda Lawrence (MI) DNC Lu Battaglieri (MI) DNC Joyce Lalonde (MI) DNC Debbie Dingell (MI) DNC Richard Wiener (MI) DNC Kwame Kilpatrick (MI) DNC Tina Abbott (MI) DNC Michael Tardiff (MI) Jim Hoffa (MI) VP Walter Mondale (MN) Sen. Amy Klobuchar(MN) Rep. Jim Oberstar (MN) Rep. Keith Ellison (MN) Rep. Tim Walz (MN) Rep. Betty McCollum (MN) DNC Rick tafford (MN) DNC Mee Moua (MN) DNC Ken Foxworth (MN) DNC Brian Melendez (MN) DNC Donna Cassutt (MN) DNC Nancy Larson (MN) Rep. Bennie Thompson (MS) DNC Johnnie Patton (MS) DNC Everett Sanders (MS) DNC Carnelia Fondren (MS) DNC Wayne Dowdy (MS) Sen. Claire McCaskill (MO) Rep. Russ Carnahan (MO) Rep. Lacy Clay (MO) Mark Bryant (MO) DNC Maria Chappelle-Nadal (MO) DNC Yolanda Wheat (MO) DNC John Temporiti (MO) DNC Robin Carnahan (MO) Jay Nixon (MO) Susan Montee (MO) Gov. Brian Schweitzer (MT) Sen. Max Baucus (MT) Sen. Jon Tester (MT) DNC Margarett Campbell (MT) DNC Ed Tinsley (MT) DNC John Melcher (MT) DNC Jean Lemire Dahlman (MT) DNC Dennis McDonald (MT) Sen. Ben Nelson (NE) DNC Vince Powers (NE) DNC Steven Achelpohl (NE) DNC Frank LaMere (NE) DNC Kathleen Fahey (NE) DNC Audra Ostergard (NE) Sen. Frank Lautenberg (NJ) Rep. Steve Rothman (NJ) Rep. Rush Holt (NJ) Rep. Donald Payne (NJ) DNC Christine “Roz” Samuels (NJ) DNC Donald Norcross (NJ) DNC Dana Redd (NJ) Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid (NV) DNC Steven Horsford (NV) DNC Teresa Benitez-Thompson (NV) DNC Yvonne Gates (NV) DNC Catherine Cortez Masto (NV) DNC Sam Lieberman (NV) Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (NH) Rep. Paul Hodes (NH) DNC Raymond Buckley (NH) DNC Hon. Martha Fuller Clark (NH) Gov. Bill Richardson (NM) Sen. Jeff Bingaman (NM) Fmr DNC Chair Fred Harris (NM) Rep. Tom Udall (NM) DNC Brian Colon (NM) Laurie Weahkee (NM) Rep. Gary Ackerman (NY) Rep. Michael Arcuri (NY) Rep. Timothy Bishop (NY) Rep. Joseph Crowley (NY) Rep. Eliot Engel (NY) Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) Rep. John Hall (NY) Rep. Brian Higgins (NY) Rep. Maurice Hinchey (NY) Rep. Steve Israel (NY) Rep. Nita Lowey (NY) Rep. Carolyn Maloney (NY) Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (NY) Rep. Michael McNulty (NY) Rep. Gregory Meeks (NY) Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY) Rep. Charles Rangel (NY) Rep. Jose Serrano (NY) Rep. Louise Slaughter (NY) Rep. Edolphus Towns (NY) Rep. Nydia Velazquez (NY) Rep. Anthony Weiner (NY) Rep. Yvette D. Clarke (NY) DNC Marianne Spraggins (NY) Rep. Mike McIntyre (NC) Rep. Bob Etheridge (NC) Rep. G.K. Butterfield (NC) Rep. David Price (NC) Rep. Mel Watt (NC) Rep. Brad Miller (NC) DNC Everett Ward (NC) DNC Dannie Montgomery (NC) DNC Joyce Brayboy (NC) DNC Jeanette Council (NC) DNC Jerry Meek (NC) DNC David Parker (NC) DNC Muriel Offerman (NC) Sen. Kent Conrad (ND) Sen. Byron Dorgan (ND) Rep. Earl Pomeroy (ND) DNC David Strauss (ND) DNC Jim Maxson (ND) DNC Renee Pfenning (ND) DNC Mary Wakefield (ND) Dan Hannaher (ND) Gov. Ted Strickland (OH) Sen. Sherrod Brown (OH) Rep. Betty Sutton (OH) Rep. Zach Space (OH) Rep. Tim Ryan (OH) DNC Chris Redfern (OH) DNC David Wilhelm (OH) DNC Sonni Nardi (OH) DNC Mark Mallory (OH) DNC Rhine McLin (OH) DNC Enid Goubeaux (OH) DNC Joyce Beatty (OH) Dave Regan (OH) Gov. Brad Henry (OK) DNC Kitti Asberry – (OK) DNC Mike Morgan (OK) DNC Kalyn Free (OK) DNC Jay Parmley (OK) DNC Ivan Holmes (OK) Reggie Whitten (OK) Sen. Ron Wyden (OR) Rep. Earl Blumenauer (OR) Rep. Peter DeFazio (OR) Rep. David Wu (OR) DNC Jenny Greenleaf (OR) DNC Meredith Woods-Smith (OR) DNC Wayne Kinney (OR) DNC Gail Rasmussen (OR) DNC Frank Dixon (OR) DNC Bill Bradbury (OR) Sen. Bob Casey (PA) Rep. Mike Doyle (PA) Rep. Patrick Murphy (PA) Rep. Chaka Fattah (PA) Rep. Bob Brady (PA) Rep. Jason Altmire (PA) DNC Carol Ann Campbell (PA) DNC Leon Lynch (PA) DNC Ian Murray (PA) Gov. Aníbal Acevedo Vilá (PR) Dr. Celita Arroyo de Roques (PR) Sen. Jack Reed (RI) Rep. Patrick Kennedy (RI) DNC Patrick Lynch (RI) Rep. James Clyburn (SC) Rep. John Spratt (SC) DNC Waring Howe Jr. (SC) DNC Carol Fowler (SC) DNC Wilbur Lee Jeffcoat (SC) Inez Tenenbaum (SC) Fmr Sen. Tom Daschle (SD) Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD) DNC Jack Billion (SD) DNC Sharon Stroschein (SD) DNC Nicholas Nemec (SD) Gov. Phil Bredesen (TN) Rep. Jim Cooper (TN) Rep. Steve Cohen (TN) DNC Lois DeBerry (TN) DNC Will Cheek (TN) DNC Gray Sasser (TN) DNC Inez Crutchfield (TN) DNC (Rep.) Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX) Rep. Chet Edwards (TX) Rep. Al Green (TX) Rep. Lloyd Doggett (TX) Rep. Charlie Gonzalez (TX) DNC Al Edwards (TX) DNC Rep. Hon. Yvonne Davis (TX) DNC Moses Mercado (TX) DNC Senfronia Thompson (TX) DNC Roy LaVerne Brooks (TX) DNC John Patrick (TX) DNC Boyd Richie (TX) DNC Betty Richie (TX) Rep. Jim Matheson (UT) DNC Wayne Holland Jr. (UT) DNC Karen Hale (UT) DNC Bill Orton (UT) DNC Helen Langan (UT) Kristi Cumming (UT) Sen. Patrick Leahy (VT) Rep. Peter Welch (VT) DNC Ian Carleton (VT) DNC Chuck Ross Jr. (VT) DNC Judy Bevans (VT) DNC Billi Gosh (VT) Gov. Tim Kaine (VA) Sen. Jim Webb (VA) Rep. Bobby Scott (VA) Rep. Jim Moran (VA) DNC Jennifer McClellan (VA) DNC Dick Cranwell (VA) DNC Joe Johnson (VA) Rick Boucher (VA) DNC Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA) DNC Jim Leaman (VA) Gov. John P. deJongh, Jr. (VI) Cecil Benjamin (VI) DNC Carol Burke (VI) Former House Speaker Tom Foley (WA) Rep. Jay Inslee (WA) Rep. Adam Smith (WA) Rep. Brian Baird (WA) Rep. Rick Larsen (WA) DNC Pat Notter (WA) Gov. Christine Gregoire (WA) Rep. Norm Dicks (WA) Rep. Jim McDermott (WA) DNC Dwight Pelz (WA) DNC David McDonald (WA) DNC Ron Sims (WA) DNC Ed Cote (WA) DNC Sharon Mast (WA) Gov. Joe Manchin (WV) Sen. Jay Rockefeller (WV) Sen. Robert Byrd (WV) Rep. Nick Rahall (WV) Rep. Alan Mollohan (WV) DNC Nick Casey (WV) Gov. Jim Doyle (WI) Sen. Russ Feingold (WI) Sen. Herb Kohl (WI) Rep. Gwen Moore (WI) Rep. David Obey (WI) Rep. Ron Kind (WI) Rep. Steve Kagen (WI) DNC Stan Gruszynski (WI) DNC Jason Rae (WI) DNC Joe Wineke (WI) DNC Melissa Schroeder (WI) DNC Awais Khaleel (WI) DNC Lena Taylor (WI) DNC Paula Zellner (WI) Gov. Dave Freudenthal (WY) DNC Peter Jorgenson (WY) DNC John Millin (WY) DNC Nancy Drummond (WY) W. Patrick Goggles (WY)
(Via DemConWatch ) The above are the super-delegates supporting Barack Obama, as of 06/06/2008. They are, in fact, the only reason why he is the assumed Democratic nominee: the actual results of the Democratic primary race was 1773.5 Obama, 1634.5 Clinton… neither of which equals a simple majority (2,118) of the total delegates. But it looks like that nomination fight didn’t really signify, in the end; what signified was that enough appointed members of the Democratic establishment have declared that they plan to give the nomination next month to a particular candidate. Put another way: the above list are the real Democrats. The ones that matter. All the rest of you guys simply exist to give them money.
So, Clinton supporters: learn your place, already! It’s not like you have any options, right?
Moe Lane
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
Did Fowler read that?
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 3:52PM EST (link)I mean, before he put his name under it. I’ve never considered Donnie Fowler to be one of the brightest ops around, but I doubt anyone professionally involved in a campaign would allow something like that to issue forth, let alone with his sig line.
Yikes!
Well, you know we're not immune from that attitude...
Bill S (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 4:01PM EST (link)While we haven’t seen an official communique from RNC HQ, plenty o’ Republicans have delivered precisely that same message to those who supported Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, et. al. You could take that letter and replace Obama’s name with McCain, Hillary’s name with Fred and/or Mitt, and you’d have exactly the same letter for the GOP.
Again, I note – at least the RNC hasn’t had the gall to write an official letter to that effect.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Wow
BurkeanBadger (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 4:08PM EST (link)This is truly an extraordinary letter. Extraordinary in its smug contempt of non Obamaphiles in the Democratic Party; extraordinary in its self-assuredness; extraordinary in its idiotic sports analogies. And, most importantly, extraordinary in that a seasoned veteran like Don Fowler would send it out assuming that it would actually HELP win offer disgruntled or uncertain Clinton backers.
First off, Moe is of course right about the sports analogy. The superdelegates did intervene to stop this contest before it was completely played out. But, might I add a point: politics is NOT sports. Yes, there are plenty of similarities, but a game is a game. Whether or not Roger Federer wins Wimbledon or the Giants the Super Bowl has very little practical impact on our day to day lives. Who is nominated for President and what platform the party that nominates him adopts have serious repercussions on every American.
Simply amazing. Stripped of its forced niceties, this letter is basically saying: Hey Clinton supporters, your votes did not matter; not one iota. Not only did they not matter in selecting the nominee (even though by some measurements, Clinton won the most votes), they don’t matter in determining the platform of this party. Shut up, quite whining and march in lock-step to Saint Barry.
“Or what?” should be the response of every Clinton supporter. The simple fact is without the strong support of Clinton’s people, particularly in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan, Obamessiah will be spending January 20 watching John McCain take the oath. This kind of contempt for what should be your base is typical of Obama and his acolytes attitude. And, if it continues, it may portend disaster.
Nothing would please me more.
My friends, Operation Chaos is still going on.
Isn't it amazing...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 4:10PM EST (link)that the party who regularly paints themselves as Pro-Choice™ is really anything but…
Even more amazing is the left’s peculiar willingness to repeatedly fork over large chunks of change, even though they’re quickly ushered to the corner and hidden from public view like the red-headed step-child.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
So much for Unity
ThreeNineNine Sunday, July 20th at 4:53PM EST (link)Replace Clinton with Drexler and Obama with Hitler.
Liberal Facism at It's Best
Chuck_Norris_Republican (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 5:16PM EST (link)From Herr Obama and Friends
Chuck Norris Republican
Part of the EIB (Excellence in Blogging)
“Chuck Norris Republican is the only man I would let raise my taxes.” – Grover Nordquist
Liberal Facism at It's Best
Chuck_Norris_Republican (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 5:16PM EST (link)From Herr Obama and Friends
Chuck Norris Republican
Part of the EIB (Excellence in Blogging)
“Chuck Norris Republican is the only man I would let raise my taxes.” – Grover Nordquist
It is very strange to comparethe race for president to a sport.
Mord (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 5:28PM EST (link)You make an exellent point! A sports outcome has no effect on your life…unless you are betting on it. A Presidential election is not something to just blithely compare to the outcome of a basketball game. This is probably fake. Not that I don’t believe it could happen, nor do I know anythng about the guy that wrote it. I just don’t believe anyone who was a proffesional political person could unintentionally insult his own “supporters” like that.
If this is really how a party “player” thinks about an election, I would be nervous about the future.
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“Republicans never win polls, they win elections,” – Rudy Giuliani
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Liberal "Factionisim", heh.
Mord (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 5:30PM EST (link)————————————–
“Republicans never win polls, they win elections,” – Rudy Giuliani
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I have "other options."
ruddyturnstone Sunday, July 20th at 5:30PM EST (link)Specifically, I have the option of voting for John McCain. And, this Clinton supporter intends to exercise that option. The fascists that have taken over the Democratic party can. . . well, you know what they can do!
And, as for bs’ argument: No Sale. The GOP doesn’t have superdelegates, nor does it have primaries that “don’t count” or only “half count.” John McCain really did win the nominiation of his party “fair and square.” So, your attempted analogy between Obama and McCain falls flat on its face.
My point was obviously lost on you
Bill S (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 5:42PM EST (link)I was referring to the attitude reflected in the letter. This sentence:
could have come from the mouth of any McCain supporter in trying to beat down those who were not so thrilled with his win in the primary – fair or not.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Give us money, LOSERS.
Darin_H (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 5:49PM EST (link)I have obtained the first draft of the letter:
He only managed to insult just a little bit less in the final draft, so that’s a plus.
A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls
Hillary Supporter for McCain
RecentConvert Sunday, July 20th at 5:54PM EST (link)As a former Hillary Clinton supporter, I can say unequivocally that I will be voting for McCain this November. I’m a white, college educated, straight, young male! If I’m pissed enough at this crap to exercise my options, then I can only imagine what female Hillary supporters think and feel about this nonsense.
The Democratic party has passed up a strong, articulate, brilliant, sensible moderate woman for a know-nothing naif from Illinois who has got more skeletons in his closet than you can throw a stick at.
Barack Obama’s loathsomeness is only surpassed by that of his supporters. I wouldn’t associate myself with these people if you paid me, much less do so voluntarily. So no, I won’t be getting over it.
Luckily for me, I have a great alternative in John McCain. I may not agree with him on some issues, but he’s a patriot and a hero. And at the end of the day, I’ll sleep well at night because I know he can do the job. That’s, quite simply, not something I can say about Obambi.
Moe, you are an EVIL sower of discord,
streetwise (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 5:56PM EST (link)not that that’s a bad thing. :>)
Selected not elected,
payback for 2000 BS
is now perfected!
Well, I'll say one thing
woodsman (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 6:12PM EST (link)you certainly know which spot to hit the hornets nest for the best effect. This will really stir them up…
Superdelegates
Yil Sunday, July 20th at 6:14PM EST (link)Corrections on your 2 arguments.
Wikipedia: “Each state’s two members of the Republican National Committee, and the party chairs of each state and territory are the only automatic delegates to the party’s national convention. These superdelegates while officially uncommitted, may also publicly endorse a candidate.” The GOP just has fewer superdelegates and with winner take all states their influence is far less.
The GOP is penalizing Michigan and Florida half of their delegates for voting early. That’s the position of the Dems right now, although originally they were going to penalize all of the them. I fail to see a difference between the parties except that the D’s were willing to go farther to penalize states who were breaking party rules.
In case you missed it, Obama won the pledged delegate contest as Moe pointed out. It would therefore be correct to say the superdelegates ratified this result since they didn’t overturn it. I know a lot of people here were rooting for Clinton to win which was a possibility if the super’s thought Obama didn’t have a chance of winning the general. That would have been an example of super’s flexing their power under the rules.
Here's a tip.
FrankLucia (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 7:14PM EST (link)When Obama begins a sentence with “As I have said many times,” this means that he is about to announce a totally new position that contradicts everything he has said before.
"Big Strategic Message" McCain Seeks
DavisJackson Sunday, July 20th at 7:38PM EST (link)This simmering resentment among Dems is a secret weapon we can exploit if we move quickly enough. Take a paragraph tp get the context, then check out the secret weapon.
The Republican Party of Texas adopted my resolution at our State Convention in June, calling for immediate conversion of Social Security and Medicare to private accounts. This solution sells easily — “Put a million dollars in every family’s account!” — we just need to get it in front of more people. With it we can rally the nation to win a great victory for Freedom, Capitalism and Limited Government!
It’s posted online at http://www.americansolutions.com/SolutionsLab/Solution.aspx?Guid=4feed845-f107-4dbe-af65-61c74940cb57
The secret weapon is that if we issue a challenge to Obama – put up or shut up, quit just talking about leadership and let’s SHOW the people our leadership by getting this solution done in the next two weeks – he’ll have to jump aboard or else Clinton will crucify him and take the nomination for herself. She’ll tell the superdelegates this proves he’s not ready; while Republicans are offering a million dollars per family plus reduced future taxes, Obama is countering with zero in your account and let Congress more than double the taxes on your children.
Imagine the power of both parties perceiving it as being in their own best interest to solve this NOW!
Targeting specific groups rather crudely.
blooch Sunday, July 20th at 7:45PM EST (link)For the recalcitrant blue collar Hillary Dems, a basketball analogy.
For the tight-fisted Dem elites supporting Hillary, a tennis analogy.
Come together, right now, overplayed.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Are you sure this didn't come off the Onion?
Suzy Sunday, July 20th at 8:02PM EST (link)This has to be a joke, right? The PUMAs will have a field day with this. . .
McCain Loser
ILOVEKOOLAID Sunday, July 20th at 8:03PM EST (link)I cant believe there are still Hillary supporter out there that will support McCain When none of McCains policies are not even close to Hillarys… Talk about being a sour puss WOW…And you called yourself Dems…You were not dems from the start…Evidently you was just voting Hillary because she was a women…
True dems like myself support our party and the dems values and policies for our Nation.. Big business has been reaping the spoils of war long enough because of Bush…The infrastructer and economy of our nation is in shambels and you hillary supporters want to vote for the man that wants to go down the same path as Bush…..Pathetic….When we are still at war 4 years from now if McCain wins then what…The Dead is the Dead? Troops dying over a Bush lie(WMD’S) is Ok with you huh…Cool I hope none of you get killed in Iraq over that lie as so many already have…..
OK, which one of you did that one?
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 8:09PM EST (link)I mean, really: in terms of tone, plot and spelling it’s letter-perfect – but surely it’s obvious that this is a conservative / Republican site, right?
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blooch Sunday, July 20th at 8:10PM EST (link)Or else it’s some speciall MADness;D
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Wow
Brian Simpson (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 8:10PM EST (link)You do know that we have won in Iraq, right?
And tell me how the Obamasiah’s policies will fix the economy. Increased taxes. Increased legislation. Increased burdens. Those are great ways to spur an economy.
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Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 8:13PM EST (link)It’s not exactly in their best interests to do so.
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Moe, you really push their buttons (nt)
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In other words. . .
ruddyturnstone Sunday, July 20th at 8:19PM EST (link). . . McCain won his nomination fair and square, and didn’t need “superdelegates” or “half delegates” to do so. Obama, not so much. That was my point. But thanks anyway for the substantively irrelevant, if technically accurate, “corrections.”
And, “in case you missed it,” there is no such thing as a “pledged delegate contest.” That’s a canard invented on the spot, during this campaign, by Obama supporters, for their own self-serving purposes. The only contest that matters is the one for the number of total delegates needed for the nomination. And Obama depends on the superdelegates to put him over the top in that contest. Just as Hillary would have. The trivial difference in pledged delegates, given all the chicanery with the caucases and, Michigan and Florida, and the crazy way delegates are apportioned and so forth, doesn’t mean much to us Hillary supporters.
But, whatever, let the Obama camp continue to trumpet its phony victory and insulting Hillary supporters, we’ll see how that works out in November.
moboll? troby?
blooch Sunday, July 20th at 8:25PM EST (link)What do we even call that? And it really defies description if it’s one of our guys doing it…LOL
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Yes, any nominee. . .
ruddyturnstone Sunday, July 20th at 8:25PM EST (link). . .could make these arguments to supporters of the losing candidate. The thing that makes it especially irksome to Hillary supporters, however, is that Obama did NOT win fair and square. McCain did win and fair, so, I would assume, these arguments are not especially irksome to supporters of Romney, Huckabee and so on.
That was my point.
Don't look at ME..I'm clean and sober
speciallist (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 8:34PM EST (link)n/t
You just called it
bbsci Sunday, July 20th at 8:35PM EST (link)Neither candidate won a simple majority with pledged delegates, so it was up to the superdelegates to either ratify or overturn the leader in pledged delegates. They chose not to overturn the will of the voters as decided by their election results.
This whole post seems rather inane, as it would apply even more so if the supers had chosen Hillary. The Dem primary process is asinine, but it’s easy to argue that proportional representation is more accurate than a winner-takes-all system. The supers didn’t overturn the will of the public this time around for fear of breaking the party, although they still reserve the option to overturn future primaries (until the rules are changed, anyhow).
Moe is putting a nice spin on things, but it’s a stretch and won’t stick outside these parts.
I know Don Fowler and much
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 8:37PM EST (link)of the family quite well from my years in the SC dem party.
more later after I deal with a special night twister that came in on the 2nd half of a conversation and acted before thinking rather than joining me in ditching the vanity and asking that his oldest blog on the top ten be removed…
this site is sucking
I may go get a life soon
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You left out "100 years in Iraq" n/t
Steve Maley (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 8:39PM EST (link)n/t
The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.
As a former Clinton supporter...
ThreeNineNine Sunday, July 20th at 8:39PM EST (link)1) I did not vote for Hillary because she was a woman. I could care less what body part is at the mouth of the intern. Oh, oh, maybe I’m racist! Yeah, use that one! Truthfully, if anything, I was prejudiced against Republicans.
2) I’m not a Democrat, I’m an Independent, so I guess you’re right there. I was going to register as a D, since Florida is a closed-primary state, but I would have had to do it before Jan 1st and I didn’t know until the 4th. That’s one mistake averted.
3) I’m pro-life, but I’m also pro-gun. I support gay marriage (unlike Obama, Clinton and McCain) as well as the war in Iraq. I’m against anything unconstitutional, from warrantless wiretapping to the Fairness Doctrine to banning the burning of flags.
4) Did Bush lie? If he truly did, then why won’t Pelosi impeach him? She even stated herself back when Clinton was still president that Iraq had WMDs. How about this:
* Saddam claimed to have WMDs. Should Bush know when people are bluffing?
* Saddam had used WMDs against the Irans and Kurdish Civilians, even tricking the Kurds into underground bunkers where the thicker mustard gas would get them better.
* We found Yellowcake Uranium. While it’s not a nuclear weapon yet, I leave you with this last point…
* Saddam admitted that he wanted to remake his WMD arsenal, getting every kind of weapon.
5) Honestly, I don’t think Obama’s plan is any better than McCain’s. In fact, I think it’s probably worse, although I don’t think either are that great. I bet Romney will have a good plan, though. Not that I know anything about the economy.
6) And you think Obama will stop people from dying in Iraq by pulling out the troops… over 16 months… and then leaving some troops to protect the embassy? I wonder how long he’ll have troops protecting the embassy… perhaps 50 years? Maybe even 100!
That's interesting
bbsci Sunday, July 20th at 8:42PM EST (link)That’s $25,000 year for 40 years without interest, although it certainly goes down if you can assume 5%/year.
I always wonder what happens with private accounts when they tank. If individuals are allowed control over investment we’ll have people going broke right before they’re due to pull out SS. If individuals are not allowed control they’re not actually private accounts.
The system is scheduled to hit the red sometime in the next 20-30 years and clearly something must be done, but I’m wary of any easy fix to deal with the baby boomers retiring. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
What really happened
ruddyturnstone Sunday, July 20th at 8:57PM EST (link)“Neither candidate won a simple majority with pledged delegates, so it was up to the superdelegates to. . .”
. . .pick the better candidate. Instead, they. .
“ratif[ied]. .. the leader in pledged delegates. . . “
They abdicated their duty.
“They chose not to overturn the will of the voters as decided by their election results.”
Actually, more voters voted for Hillary than for Obama. So, yeah, you can argue that the “election results” favored Obama, but to claim that his selection was “the will of the voters” is a big stretch.
“The Dem primary process is asinine, but it’s easy to argue that proportional representation is more accurate than a winner-takes-all system.”
That might be more persuasive if state-wide proportionality was used, but proportionality by Congressional district? with some Congressional districts being “more equal” than others? There is nothing “accurate” about that. Outside of Nebraska and Maine, Congressional districts simply have nothing to do with it. And there is no excuse whatsoever for giving some CDs more delegates than others. That violates the whole principle of treating each vote equally and meanigfully, a principle that proportionality is supposed to ensure. Winner take all would have been more fair, and more democratic, than the insand hybrid system actually used.
“The supers didn’t overturn the will of the public this time around. . .”
Yes they did. More voters chose Hillary.
“. . .for fear of breaking the party. . “
The party was already split down the middle. The choice of the supers was not going to create that situation, nor heal it, no matter which way they went.
“. . .although they still reserve the option to overturn future primaries (until the rules are changed, anyhow).”
The rules are insane.
“Moe is putting a nice spin on things, but it’s a stretch and won’t stick outside these parts.”
PUMAs think it sticks. And many will not vote for Obama.
I would be sober, too
blooch Sunday, July 20th at 9:06PM EST (link)if I had to pay $9.00 for a six-pack. Offshore brewing NOW, Mr. president.
And I’d be clean too, if it wasn’t so darned hot and stuffy here…in the South.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
20% and falling, unfortunately
bbsci Sunday, July 20th at 9:10PM EST (link)I don’t think many Hillary supporters will stay with McCain once they get over their hurt feelings. It’s already down to 20% and trending lower.
Also, I thought Clinton had to do some spurious math to claim more votes than Obama, such as not count votes in caucus states.
Besides, when is the last time people cared about the popular vote? It’s delegates in the primaries and delegates in the general, and we’d be the first to shout down with derision and scorn any who suggested the popular vote mattered back in 2000.
Not particularly, no.
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 9:32PM EST (link)Spinning, that is. With a letter that arrogant, I’d hardly need to in the first place; and it’s hardly my fault that Barack Obama was incapable of handling the elementary procedure of being able to walk into a nominating convention knowing that there’s no possible way that anyone could take it away from him.
Mondale was capable of doing that, fer cry out loud.
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ruddyturnstone Sunday, July 20th at 9:35PM EST (link)“I don’t think many Hillary supporters will stay with McCain once they get over their hurt feelings. It’s already down to 20% and trending lower.”
I’m not sure where you’re getting that number from. According to CNN, on July 5, only 54% of Clinton supporters said they planned on voting for Obama. And that was down from 60% in early June. Neither the absolute numbers nor the trend seem to back up your claim.
Link:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/
“Also, I thought Clinton had to do some spurious math to claim more votes than Obama, such as not count votes in caucus states.”
According to Real Clear Politics, the most inclusive count (line 4 on the linked chart) which uses actual results (where available) or estimates from all caucas states, shows Hillary with over 176,000 more votes than Obama.
Link:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democraticvotecount.html
“Besides, when is the last time people cared about the popular vote? It’s delegates in the primaries and delegates in the general, and we’d be the first to shout down with derision and scorn any who suggested the popular vote mattered back in 2000.”
Oh, I don’t know, maybe superdelegates, who were free to vote any way they wanted to, could have, and should have, “cared about the popular vote.” Especially when neither candidate had enough pledged delegates to win the race.
It’s not like the General Election of 2000. There, the rule is clearly that the electoral votes matter, and the overall popular vote does not. In this case, there was no equivalent rule for the SDs that “pledged delegates” count and the overall poplular vote doesn’t. In short, apples and oranges.
In any event, the poster I was responding to said that the “will of the voters” favored Obama. That’s just not the case.
Aw, how cute
Bill S (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 9:44PM EST (link)another demented Leftist
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It's beyond me ...
Michael Dugas (Diary) Sunday, July 20th at 10:10PM EST (link)It’s beyond me how they think a letter “demanding” they get behind Obama and “insisting” that they begin to act in a mature and resourceful fashion will appease those Dems who are upset at the whole situation. We all know the best way to alleviate anger in others is to insult them and then demand they get in line and follow along with those they disagree with.
For a group that was screaming “All votes count!” they sure have no problem disenfranchising their own party members.
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Simple retirement economics
NightTwister (Diary) Monday, July 21st at 7:04AM EST (link)As the years go by, your investments become more and more conservative so you don’t lose right near the end. You can afford more risk when you’re younger because you still have time to make up for a big loss.
“People losing all their money at the last minute” is what people will say to scare folks away from the idea of private accounts.
There’s nothing inherently safe about the current system. Nothing prevents people from spending their entire monthly SS check on the lottery each month.
Besides, at the end of the day, I still think most investments are a better bet than the federal government.
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nice work
Pentagon16 (Diary) Monday, July 21st at 11:20AM EST (link)wow- you have totally taken apart the arguments of the Obama faction here…
good job!
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