With the current trend line of American politics, America is in more imminent danger of losing it’s identity as a free republic than is the threat toIsrael from internal demographics.

Sorry, but my support and that of most conservatives for Israel is not based on a certain school of interpretation of Biblical prophecy – but rather because it is in our national interests.

And if what you wrote here is what you really think about American conservatives, then I smell whale blubber.

I’ll start off with a question: If somebody was threatening your home, you’d up and leave with your family, surrendering all you’ve worked to build (and I don’t mean just materially either) ?

For well over 5,000 years, lunatics have been trying to eliminate my people. Unless I missed something along the way and I am literally the last Jew on the planet, none of the attempts have succeeded.

A mere pittance of that time – a bit over the last 200 years – has The United States steadfastly as a protector and defender of Israel without directly becoming involved in any military action.

Now, comes the suggestion that a people as a whole should vacate the land described as theirs in some little-known seldom-read book called “The Bible”.

As far as The USA is concerned, we’re under direct assault from two fronts and a constant declared threat from a third.

The two active frontal assaults are first and foremost from our own government in the form of the current administration – literally usurping and declaring null and void chunks of The Constitution and Bill Of Rights.

A second front is actually military in nature, but will not be addressed as such – The Southern Border with Mexico. We are physically being invaded and American citizens are being kidnapped and killed, with almost a zero amount of addressing by anyone.

The declared threat, of course, is from the peace-loving religion of Islam, who wants us all dead or completely subjugated (without question, dead is more of their liking though).

To close the circle then, your inevitable conclusion should be for every American to vacate The United States.

Am I correct in this simple reasoned deduction ?

Here’s a hint for you, my friend in Minnesota: To my last breath, I will defend my freedom, my rights, my life, my home, my people and my homeland. I am an American born and raised. I am Jewish by heritage.

The Muslims can try and they may eventually take me, as they will not stop until the last of my faith are exterminated. But when the time comes and at my hand, many of these animals will meet their so-called God Of Peace – who will not accept them.

As for our own government: They know well that continually poking the lion has dire consequences for everyone involved, especially the power-mad lion tamers. But I believe this is their goal and a means to completely seize the reigns….. incite the dissenters to action and I fear that it is no longer a matter of if, but when….When the merde encounters the ventillateur here in The USA.

Thing is, the Fascists know not what they will unleash upon themselves in the form of freedom’s arrow.

I am not alone. There are tens of millions more of me who will not cower in the dark and accept what is being forced upon our nation and people.

That you would call for the Jews of Israel to flee their homeland. And then to add that some Christians have a so-called “misinterpretation” of the end-times is something else in and of itself. All I know is that God has kept Israel and will continue to do so. Look at all that she has faced and endured throughout history.

As for Israel’s enemies and critics who wish harm to her…my father has a saying, “You don’t believe fat meat is greasy.”

We thought we were safe in Germany, too, MN.

Besides, Arabs arent soldiers. I believe during the YK war we they had about a billion tanks to Israels 12 and Israel still won.

when the human rights of a group of people became about bringing wealth to American shores, and for the Jewish people to “get the he|| out of dodge with their assets as intact as possible.”

ASSETS?????? Do you really think his is about ASSETS??????
That attitude is thoroughly mercenary and reprehensible – and it’s exactly that type of attitude that brings about the destruction of any civilization – not just the current situation.

When did what is least expensive become what is right?
When did human rights, history, and heritage become an expendable asset?
Should we dis-assemble the Wailing Wall and have it re-assembled somewhere in the heart of Kansas? Then, since people would want to see it… sell tickets to it? After all..that becomes TAXABLE INCOME. Wow!! another asset!!
Should we allow the destruction of the Holy Cities of Jerusalem? of Bethlehem?

How could anyone call that “assets in tact?”

I was taught that one’s beliefs and values are meaningful only if we stick by them when it’ NOT convenient.

I would like to know at what point we draw the line on how far we will allow ourselves to be bullied by a group of people who’s only means of communication is a collective violent deadly tantrum.

I would like to know if anything besides your bank account means enough to YOU…to stand and fight?
And if the answer is anything like what you stated in your original post… I put forth that I am happy I am not a member of your circle who would need to depend upon you when the chips are down, on the off-chance it might not be a convenient time or expens for you.

since my “reply to this” buttons aren’t working…

First to Mr. Solomon: I completely understand your sentiment. However, the circumstances here in the States are different from the circumstances in Israel. Israel is literally surrounded by a people who hate Jews, who are out-populating them, and who are rushing headlong into nuke power status. While every effort should be made to ensure the security of the Jewish State, we also have to come to terms with demographic realities. Emmigration only helps for so long.

To weenejunk: Matthew 24:34. Jesus clearly states that the generation he was talking to would not pass away until “all these things have happened.” Matthew 24 is thought by many to describe future events, but it really describes what happened leading up to the destruction of the Temple in AD70. All of Jesus’s prophecies were fulfilled. The current state of Israel has nothing to do with prophecy, and everything to do with the ability of the Jewish people to defend themselves. Unfortunately I know many who “support” Israel because they think Israel is ordained by God to play a role in End Times, when we really should be supporting Israel because they’re a good ally.

To Janiel: Wow. All I am suggesting is that it might be better for them to evacuate ahead of time instead of being forced out or killed. I would not be opposed to carving out an independent homeland here, but figured that might be over the top for some of you. This isn’t about getting ahold of their assets, it’s about helping them preserve as much of what they’ve created as possible. I take offense that you twist my words and infer evil intent. Shame on you! I know this is a difficult and emotional topic, but there is no need to descend into ad-hominem attacks. Sometimes we need to step back and look at the situation pragmatically.

Israel and Israelis are ready to do what it takes to defend their country and themselves. They are not going to run away. What a pathetic suggestion.

Second, the demographics are not nearly as dire as you suggest. Israeli population growth is accelerating, while both Palestinian and Israeli Arab population growth are slowing down. And one of the little secrets of the intifada since 2000 is that there has been a major Palestinian EMIGRATION. It’s not acknowledged because the myth of inevitable demographic advantage and population-tabulated foreign aid are too painful to surrender. But it does not make it any less true.

Second, Israel has never attempted to annex the major Arab population centers in the disputed territories Israel captured in 1967. And it never will. To talk as if all population between the Jordan and the Mediterranean is some sort of definitive statistic is just nonsense.

Israel always has been surrounded by enemies and has a relatively small population (although much bigger and growing more than ever before). So yes it has to stop Iran from going nuclear and weaken Iran’s proxies in Gaza and southern Lebanon. But let’s not forget that Israel also has long-term advantages. It can defend itself and its economy and military wil grow in strength and not weaken over the long term. Syria’s regime is a basket case and can’t last forever. Iraq is now a barrier rather than a participant in the subversion of the Hashemite monarchy. Jordan and Egypt left to their own devices prefer peace (albeit a cold one) to their war footing of 1948-1977. Iran is the key, and it’s another regime whose hold on power is far from assured. It’s not the worst situation fora nation willing and able to defend itself. And as the last election made clear, Israel is willing.

Israel and the Jewish people have faced long odds for several millenia. Please understand if they choose to pass on your obituary.

they leave their promised land says more about your ignorance than their fight to keep what belongs to them!

Question….. are jew hater?

n/t

I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the Bible as well as your arrogance. But the directors here have made it pretty clear in the past that this isn’t the venue for theological argument (see Romney, Mitt). So I’m going to leave that untouched, and instead point out that capitulation to anti-Semites has never been the answer.

I could easily offer a long and well-constructed response to your reply from my comments to your thesis. I could also take the opposite tack and launch into a verbal diatribe.

Instead, I shall divulge my instinctive reaction and thought after the first-read of this diary, which was to be my only comment from the start……….. but as in most cases, I simply don’t show my true Snarkaholic tendencies straight away.

C’mon now….. ‘Fess up…….. You’re in disguise here at RedState.com and are really Minnesota’s Congressman Keith Ellison (D – MN-5).

Snarky to a certain extreme, yes, most definitely. But also effective enough to probably get smacked at least by you and a few others.

Anyway, back to a bit of seriousness….. As much as I disagree with your thesis, I shall defend to my death your right to air your thoughts.

Perhaps if I had more knowledge of the intricacies within your and others’ devout Christianity (especially regarding “end-times”), I’d have more of an understanding with the direction you’ve taken.

Cheers !

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130299

(Israel National News.com) The Obama administration has made plans to strengthen the emerging Palestinian Authority army that is currently being trained at an American-built base in Jordan.

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American and Fatah officials are hoping the “special force” will fight terror and keep the rival Hamas faction at bay. The Hamas terrorist militia completely overwhelmed the rival Fatah loyalists in Gaza in June, 2007, surprising American military personnel who already had begun training the Fatah forces.

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We’re arming a group who hates Israel just a little bit less than Hamas does.

I guess that makes sense in a genocidal sort of way.

WHO’S RUNNING OUR COUNTRY……… MR. MAGOO ?!?

NY Times…….. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/world/06diplo.html

Setting up the prospect of its first face-to-face encounter with Iran, the Obama administration has proposed a major conference on Afghanistan this month that would include Iran among the invited countries, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday.

“We presented the idea of what is being called a big-tent meeting, with all the parties who have a stake and an interest in Afghanistan,” she said at a news conference here after a meeting of NATO foreign ministers. “If we move forward with such a meeting, it is expected that Iran would be invited, as a neighbor of Afghanistan.”

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Mrs. Clinton said this week that Iran could play a useful role in stabilizing Afghanistan, noting that its officials consulted regularly with the United States in the early days of the war to oust the Taliban in 2001.

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Hey MNConservative. I think the administration likes your ideas and they’re setting things in motion to make it happen.

I’m gonna go have a stiff drink now and give some consideration on moving TO Israel and help defend my heritage.

… how about many Americans supporting Israel “because it is the right thing to do.”

Genocide is wrong.

Anti-Semitism is wrong.

Betraying your allies is wrong.

Telling an entire nation of people to relocate is ethically wrong and factually impractical.

But let’s say the Israelis wake up tomorrow and think, “what a good idea! let’s all relocate to America!”. And let’s say some overnight miracle occurs to facilitate this.

What’s next? Israel empties out for the convenience of radical Islam. Is Rome next? Amsterdam? Copenhagen? London?

Will the Atlantic keep Islam away? Or will you be facing Mecca 5 times a day?

If we want to talk practicality, here’s something practical: Israel should nuke Mecca. No more pilgrimages for Muslims without glowing in the dark as an aftereffect. Problem solved.

Would that be right, in your world view?

Like it or not, the fact is that there is a line drawn in the sand between radical Islam and the rest of us. And unfortunately for Israel and her citizens, they are that line.

If we (meaning western civilization) don’t hold that line, we are doomed. Read the Koran.

Israel is the best ally the USA has — the ONLY unconditional one we have. We’d be utterly faithless to desert Israel to the hordes seeking her destruction. If we do so, any Biblical prophecies aside, we will deserve what we get.

And no, I am not Jewish.

This from Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch website………………..

Egyptian cleric: The Jews “are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing.”

They keep telling us that it isn’t about “stolen land,” and that land concessions and even the creation of a Palestinian state will not end the conflict. And we keep refusing to believe it.

“Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub: The Jews Are the Enemies of Muslims Regardless of the Occupation of Palestine,” from MEMRI TV (a paid-subscription website tracking Al-Jazeera and other major Muslim media outlets).

Following are excerpts from a speech delivered by Egyptian cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub, which aired on Al-Rahma TV on January 17, 2009.

Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub: If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. Absolutely not. The Jews are infidels – not because I say so, and not because they are killing Muslims, but because Allah said: “The Jews say that Uzair is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that Christ is the son of Allah. These are the words from their mouths. They imitate the sayings of the disbelievers before. May Allah fight them. How deluded they are.” It is Allah who said that they are infidels.

That’s Qur’an 9:30.

Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing. Allah said: “You shall find the strongest men in enmity to the disbelievers [sic] to be the Jews and the polytheists.”

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And on that note, I’ll stop linking to news articles here, because I don’t want all this “change” to start making me lose “hope” for our own country, Israel and my heritage.