Seriously though, there does seem to be some Perry Derangement Syndrome going on around here lately and in a few other spots. Perhaps you feel differently, but I’ve hung around here a while and I think we’ve seen the same thing before. When Palin Derangement Syndrome got out of hand (not so much within Redstate, but in general), there were some Redstaters who were not huge Palin fans who came to her defense. I think we’re seeing the same thing now with Perry.

There was a valid criticism or two that could be make of Perry re the HPV thing. But instead of making the points and moving on, it turned into pouring heaping piles of half-truths and even complete falsehoods on and on and on and on and on. The backlash was predictable.

or their offspring, whose presence in this country is still illegitimate.

Stay and fight, dude!

Maybe you would have gotten a little more respect if you hadn’t used the term, “Perry zombies” all the time. That is not what I would call respectful.

Nobody’s holding your fingers to the keyboard and making you type.

God save us all from the passive-aggressive.

It was full of half truths, and was more a slam, not a discussion of, Perry.
When posters tried to tell you that what you were saying was allready discussed, and where to look for the info, it didn’t matter to you, you were just on a slammin binge.
You ignored the info that was provided you, the more stuborn you became that you were right, they were wrong, because you were out to convince everyone that
‘Perry Bad, Romney Good’.
Bill S said in a nice tone, If you don’t like it here, there’s the door.
Well I guess you felt the need to throw one more pile of crap at the wall before you left.
Well, so be it.

n/t

So the comment you’re cry babying about is when you said “If you’ll note, the piece was posted on “My Diary.” That means I get to write what I want…”

ICYMI, you’re posting on a public forum. Therefore, when you write something, everyone gets to read it – and everyone gets to comment on it. You don’t get to choose who comments.

So, vaya con dios, bubba.

Expecting mad props for doing a half-{donkey}ed rewrite of a standard litany of anti-{candidate} bile and venom on a site dedicated to spreading truth is like expecting adulation and babes for playing “chopsticks” at an R.E.O. concert.

Mew

Did I not bother to mention the fact that I thought your diatribes were so sad that they didn’t warrant a response?
Probably, because that is the truth.

I must say that swan songs are usually pathetic. If people leave because something happens in their life and they need to say goodbye, by all means go out with a swan song. However, if you are leaving the site BECAUSE of what is happening on the site and not in spite of the site, have the decency to leave without saying anything. Try and go out with some class. Too late for this diarist, but something for others to consider.

The heroic characters in a movie…. they just leave without saying a word. Go out the way of a classic western, not “The Wives of “

it’s holding their noses way too early on Perry, and not getting angry.

Go Packers!

I always like to leave a smile for those who don’t follow the rules.

but it just forces me to hone my skills, listen to others more closely, (because I have been wrong before) and I even got acat to stop calling illegals undocumented. Huh, acat?

I’ve been flamed, torched, and God knows what else here. But the point is that I got to say what I felt needed to be said, and it gives me practice for when the debate really matters. What more can I ask than someone takes the time to tell me I’m full of, um, whatever? It’s a tough world out there and it gets even tougher when you sweat the small stuff. So lighten up and try to have some fun.

How so many people here have been so quick to jump into a particular candidate’s “boat” at this point, and many seem to have an undying loyalty to a particular one this early.
The primary is still months away. I have read everything I can find on all the candidates, listened to all their speeches, and I am still undecided.
The good news is, most folks on this site have been great at laying out the pro’s and con’s of the “electable” candidates, and that, to me, is invaluable food for thought.
But in the end, I am screwed anyway. Illinois WILL go to captain zero no matter what I do. All I can do is watch the illinois polls before the primary and pick the Republican candidate that is highest in the polls, pray, and keep my fingers crossed.

I’m shocked at how toxic the atmosphere here has become. Unprovoked personal attacks, such as calling somebody ‘stupid’ or ‘idiot’ will get you quickly banned from most internet forums. There has been a great deal of this on Redstate lately, and there are far worse examples than minncon’s diary.

I’m definitely left with the impression that the pro-Perry trolls have the support of the moderators and the management. They seem to get away with a great deal, while Bachmann and Palin supporters are kicked out for minor infractions. This is a new development. In the past the moderation has been generally fair.

I know it is awkward to ban people who have been around a while. I don’t know if the moderators here have the option of a temporary suspension. For someone who obviously isn’t a DailyKos troll, that would be a much better solution than a permanent ban.

Of course, if the management has taken a decision to turn Redstate into Rickstate, then nothing can be done about it. They own the site, and they will run it any way they please. I hope that isn’t the case, and that Redstate will remain a place where the pluses and minues of all the candidates can be repectfully debated until the primaries are over.

toodles

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

the mods have things to do.

So, with respect to my comment that seems to have gotten your little lace panties in a wad, let’s revisit the scene.

Here’s the line from your diary, which followed a litany of lament over Perry’s record with Gardasil, immigration and taxes…

Most Troubling Of All: Perry Was A Democrat , He Supported Al Gore, AND He Is A “Karl Rove Republican.”

Note: italics in your OP and that was followed by some interesting charges about how Perry switched because of being an opportunist and aligning with Bush.

andy_in_texas responded to your “point” with an excellent, and factual, takedown of your “point”, rightly noting that Perry switched parties a LONG time before GWB was anything but a son of a President and baseball team executive. Bottom line, you were wrong on the facts and wrong on Perry’s intentions.

Your comment to andy…

Thanks for the correction, but for nothing else.
minncon Tuesday, September 13th at 8:46PM EDT (link)
Thanks for the correction on the math. But the rest of it–pfft. Who’s saying being a former Democrat disqualifies anyone? Being a former Democrat and then continuing to ACT like one does. Stop being so lame with your knee-jerk rebuttals, dude.

My emphasis.

At this point I bounced in with the comment you noted above in this diary. So, up to now you’d been starkly wrong on what you presented as “facts” related to why Perry switched to the Republican Party. Your timeline was so mangled that it could rightly lead one to question: a) how old you are, b) if you even know where Texas is. And then you speciously accuse andy_in_texas of posting “lame knee-jerk rebuttals”. Sheesh.

Now comes my offensive comment…

And if Perry was acting like a Democrat
mbecker908 Tuesday, September 13th at 8:54PM EDT (link)
you’d have a point to go with the one under your hair.

Thank you for the opportunity to relive that moment. The only regret I have is that I didn’t throw in “dude” after “hair”.

Perry can rightly be accused of, charged with, lots of “offenses” that move him outside of the realm of “the conservative candidate” we’d each like to see run against Obama. Perfect – or even approaching perfect – he’s not. Frankly, I don’t even know that I like him for candidate. At this point, he’s arguably the best of the bunch. At one point a few weeks ago, Michelle Bachmann was arguably the best of the bunch. How quickly time flies.

What Perry certainly can’t be reasonably charged with is “acting like a Democrat” on the whole of his political career and certainly not on his terms as Governor. Heck, I’d gladly trade him for Jan Brewer.

So, what we have here is you getting caught doing a “Bachmann”. That would be making a completely outrageous charge, creating your own set of “facts”, and when caught, deciding it’s a hill to die on. It must be something in the water in Minnesota.

Let me be real clear. You’re certainly entitled to your own opinion. What you’re not entitled to are your own “facts”. We have a term for people like that here in sunny Arizona, we call them them “stupid”.

Bye.

If you let them drive you off..they win…
Pressure and tension mounts as we get deeper into the primary process. Once we pick our candidate, it will all be water under the bridge ( Ron Paul supporters not included..LOL)
Seriously..just ignore those who seem to upset you…post your thoughts..and respond to those whom you feel are willing to engage in seious, considerate discussion…treat the others like you would anoymous deep breathjing phone calls…ignore them…that’s the ONE thing they can’t stand

nt

I just read that other diary over there < like on the front page by Meghan McCain, and then I'm here reading this diary and wondering if there is some connection. Seems that those kinda like young people all are thinking all us old worn out mean RedStaters are just really H8ERS. How dare we not listen to the same things over and over again about that zombie Perry. Oh, that's right we are the zombies. Like it's totally awesome that the good haired Romney is lowering himself to run for the presidency to rule over all us dirt eating, uneducated, unwashed little fools. How big of him. Even Meghan said that only her dad is qualified, but she'll settle for Romney as the second best choice. Lovely.

And hey, I'm getting kinda jealous of mbecker. He seems to be the most popular guy around these parts. What's up with that mbecker? If all it takes is saying something like "if you had a point to go along with the one under your hair" is going to send some to the goodbye cruel world point, or to the meds bottle, I'll gladly use that trick on some of the Paulbots that also refuse to listen to reason.

Oh and Bill S was working on that control muscle. that he used with you. You are lucky that he was only offering to help you out of your whining misery. If you couldn’t help yourself, he was kind enough to make the offer, without just slamming the door on you.

I’m sure acat will be along at some point to post a recipe for sour lemon drops. It’s really needed around these parts lately.

If you were truly willing to be persuaded to think differently about Perry, you would have been asking the questions, and participating in the many debates that have gone on here about every single hair on Perry’s head. Most here aren’t just willing to stick their heads in the sand, and refuse to even open their eyes to what may be serious issues with all the candidates. By the time of your post, everything you brought up was already discussed ad nauseum. You should have taken acat’s warning and looked into what had already been covered, over and over. That seemed to be where you were coming from.

nt

it wasn’t because somebody insulted me or made me feel stupid for disagreeing with them and not knowing as much about the subject as they did — it was because I posted a view that wasn’t particularly conservative and explained why I thought the way I did about it and rather than insulting me a number of people posted information I hadn’t been aware of and respectfully explained where they thought I was wrong.

My prior conclusion was based on my limited experience and actually it wasn’t a view I’d really brought up for discussion with any conservatives before — and doing so here was educational and I appreciated people taking the time to show me where I was mistaken.

It all comes down to what you guys want to do with RedState. Do you want to attract an increasingly broad readership and “reach out to the lost” so to speak — providing an opportunity for independents or even Democrats to engage in discussions that will educate them and maybe change their minds?

It would seem to me that we’re starting to reach a tipping point with regard to the debt and government spending — a lot of people who probably haven’t thought about it much before are now getting concerned and probably a lot of people who hadn’t considered it before might start feeling open to conservatism.. How are they going to progress from vaguely curious to full blown conservatives?

Is it likely that they will bring their questions and or mistaken views onto a site where they perceive anyone who disagrees or posts a view that maybe reveals they don’t know as much about the topic as others will be verbally squashed? I doubt it.

I didn’t read the exchange with Minnconn and I don’t want to but even if he or she was misinformed, rude, etc. why not be nice anyway? I have trouble seeing the advantage of being mean. Not only do you run off Minnconn (which evidently y’all don’t see as a loss) but also — potentially— others who may be thinking of joining RedState.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents and it’s already more than long enough.

That has been the MO of the left and Acorn as I learned yesterday. Conservatives should try not to let that happen. If one is truly a conservative than there should be some areas of agreement with others on this site. I didn’t read the particular column, but it hardly seems worth it to remove oneself from the dialogue over a few comments.

Red state has a broad range of commenters with differing styles and even the tough ones are helpful to get us all to sharpen our game.

…stands out as a very immature poster. If redstate followed it’s own “be respectul, or be banned” code he would no longer be here.

with minncon to add their name to the list. Don’t let the door hit you in the posterior on the way out.

*.*

They provided some of the funniest, most sophisticated comedy ever done, and they never swore, never were dirty, or even off-color. They knew they operated under the rubic of a wider audience that spanned the cultures and the the generations. Who really knew who was watching? It took enormous amounts of hard work, creativity and strength of character to do comedy this way. Everyone laughs at a fart in an elevator, but it takes zero talent –and just a bad case of gas– to pull it off.

Dignity and respect has all but vanished now in broader society. Double-entandre runs rampant even on the Disney channel. Rude has replaced respectful. And this cancer metastasizes even in the most pedestrian of places. In some instances, it happens here in the electronic blips at RedState.

Having said this, I am only in charge of “me”. If I am offended, I have a checkbook to balance, a garden to harvest, a business to keep afloat in the Obama Depression. I have many other demands tapping at my elbow. I dont’ have time to sit and be Offended. Pace the Old Fathers, as For Me and My House, I won’t return Rancor with Rancor.

Yes, Becker is a pain in the patoot. Acat is, well, a pussycat. But, for every Powertothepeople is a heartlander, and even the most harsh around here have a passion I not only admire, but that which I find absolutely critical to reclaim our once-and-future Great Nation.

I do hope, Minncon, that you will check back from time to time. We must all hang together, or we will all surely hang separately.

(in all fairness, I lowered myself to their level and threw some verbal punches as well – I just couldn’t take it any longer.)

Diary Translation in one sentence:
I’m a hypocrite that can’t stand a chastening of my thoughts, and therefore I’m taking my ball and going home.

A “Goodbye Cruel World” diary based on the mild snark quoted makes it to the number one slot?

There is no such thing as “Daily Kos of the right”. Leftism by its very nature defends the indefensible as task #1. What you’ve experienced is sharp dissenting opinion, and apparently you can’t handle it.

I used to hang out at a genteel cyber-place where dull elbows were demanded. I could hook you up if you need a new home where all disagreement is agreeable.

People should think about and try to understand important issues and form an opinion. But if you cannot understand the opposite point of view, you probably don’t understand the issue at all.

Paul Krugman recently wrote that conservatism is about opposition to compassion. How ridiculous! Here’s a guy who won a Nobel Prize, and he’s engaging in a childish, inaccurate and propagandistic attack on opposing views. Does he not understand the concept of liberty or the debate about the power of government that stretches back to Jefferson and Hamilton?

You sould be able to put yourself in your opponents place, figure out why he believes what he does without assuming he is stupid, and then think about why he may be wrong.

As you have noted, on occasion, I have been attacked by some of the people you mention in your posting. I believe my views on gay marriage and Romney’s Mormonism were the flash points that elicited certain remarks that either I or my children were mentally retarded at one point. Whatever… I don’t think running from something because a couple of self-appointed commenter/gadflies disagree with and insult you is the solution. Agree to disagree. People like MBecker and a-cat are not necessarily representative of the vast majority of Redstate.com members although they may view themselves as such. Personally, I think that smacks of delusions of grandeur, in which case they have the bigger problem than the insults they fling. And at one time a while ago, I left Redstate because commentators did not consider me “Republican enough” because I sometimes take more moderate views, especially on social issues. Again, whatever. Disagree with me or insult me, but you are not going to change my views, nor my democratic right and responsibility to express those views. On balance, I believe that this site, more than most conservative sites, is perhaps the most balanced. I think you should reconsider your decision to leave. Not everyone believes Rick Perry is the answer, despite what others state. Personally, I think he offers the best hope for the GOP up to this point since Daniels dropped out of consideration. But that is besides the point. The goal is to get Obama out of the White House and less back-biting here will help achieve that goal provided we address our disagreements in a civil fashion.

I too have been disappointed with the lack of maturity and civility among many RS commenters. There are too many folks here at RS who don’t bother even listening to someone’s questions or statements, and instead just blast away in a very rude and close-minded fashion.

This comment is NOT about Perry or any other candidate, so don’t launch off on that topic.

This comment is about people being uncivil and close-minded, about people plugging their ears and dishing out personal attacks and doing all the things WE BLAST THE BLIND LEFT FOR DOING.

There are enough bad things in the political world to attack–we don’t have to go after other conservatives that might not agree with us 100%. Is 94% enough? How about 81%? 68%? Look in the mirror, check your threshold and consider raising it. Please!

Let me ask you a question a-cat. Who, besides you, cares what percentage anyone agrees with you? Cute cat by the way.

for Obama. The rest is just levels of hell.

sometimes.

I don’t mind flaming and insults. That’s just the internet; pointless to fight it. Might as well go to an NFL football game and yell “shut up” at the crowd.

What I can’t abide is a double standard, and I see that on Redstate all the time. Once a viewpoint or candidate becomes favored, arguments contrary to the consensus are judged by a different standard. If you agree with the prevailing view, you are given wide lattitude to express your view. If you disagree, you are shouted down or belittled by vocal users who act as enforcers. These vocal users are allowed to be serially disrespectful to others because they are long time users and because they generally agree with the consensus.

I do not want to seem ungrateful for the efforts of the moderators who volunteer their time and energy to keep this site running. But, as food for thought, I would offer a quote that I was forced to memorize at West Point a long time ago:

“But an officer on duty knows no one — to be partial is to dishonor both himself and the object of his illadvised favor. What will be thought of him who exacts of his friends that which disgraces him? Look at him who winks at and overlooks offences in one, which he causes to be punished in another, and contrast him with the inflexible soldier who does his duty faithfully, notwithstanding it occasionally wars with his private feelings. The conduct of one will be venerated and emulated, the other detested as a satire upon soldiership and honor.”

Is that such a post can generate so many comments. On most sites a flounce is ignored. Leaving? Leave. Your reasons are your own and likely not shared by many, else they’d be leaving, too.

Just for the hilarious comments!!!