The Evangelical case against Mitt Romney


Sound and fury, signifying...?

The Washington Times is reporting that various Evangelical leaders are imploring John McCain not to select former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney as his running mate on the 2008 Republican Presidential ticket. There are three main reasons for this, neither of which I am particularly fond of.

1. Mitt Romney is not particularly strong on social issues like gay marriage and abortion. Romney admits to developing a pro-life position only within the last decade and was governor when the Massachusetts Supreme Court legalized gay marriage, both things that make some in the Evangelical community skittish. Never mind that Romney’s position on abortion as governor was to the right of McCain’s, or that Romney led an unsuccessful effort to overturn the gay marriage legalization in Massachusetts – it’s a “what have you done for me lately?” sort of a proposition. Needless to say, by that metric, Romney is especially weak.

2. Evangelical leaders have other people in mind. Namely, in the case of some leading megachurch pastors, there is a push for former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a former Baptist minister running on a populist platform, to be McCain’s VP candidate. Although eventually picking up a handful more delegates than Romney, Huckabee’s appeal was largely limited to the Deep South, and stayed in the race for about two months longer than Romney did, largely relying on a rather impressive grassroots network. As much as I think that Huckabee would be a terrible candidate (he seems less Ronald Reagan and more Jimmy Carter), I can’t begrudge people their own personal preferences. I’d just prefer they be more open about it.

3. Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Some religious leaders are suspicious of Romney’s Mormon faith, considering him to not be a Christian, and therefore diminished in standing in their eyes. Personally, I find this to be, in some ways, analogous to anti-Catholic sentiment prior to JFK’s electoral victory in 1960, and just as baseless. I am less interested in what a politician might do with respect to a particular religion than I am concerned about how that politician will impact America as a whole for better or for worse. I am a Christian of an Evangelical stripe, but I cannot begrudge somebody who is sincere in their religious faith.

The main weight behind these threats is that Evangelical leaders will encourage their followers to stay home on Election Day if a VP candidate not to their liking is selected. And then what? Have Barack Obama elected? As dicey as some may think Romney is on sanctity of life issues, even the most strident pro-lifer would have to agree that most any Republican is better on the issue than Obama, who carries a 100% rating from the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL). Also, the power on most social issues rests from judicial appointments, which are the domain of the President, not the Vice President. Considering John McCain is a potential mixed bag on judges, it’s possible that those lines of thinking should have been considered long before making McCain the presumptive nominee. In fact, adding Huckabee to the ticket could possibly have the disastrous effect of having economic conservatives either stay home or vote Libertarian, with the only options on the Republican ticket being somebody with an inconsistent record and one with almost no record, but a wide streak of populist, protectionist rhetoric.

Of course, this may all be for naught – McCain has made a career out of not making friends with the Evangelical community, and whatever direction they try to prod him into may end up causing the exact opposite to take place.


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Number three really bothers me.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 4:13PM EST (link)

I have no use whatsoever for any so-called Christian leader that would dismiss a political candidate because of his religion.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

 

What?

ZootSuit (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 5:40PM EST (link)

Never mind that Romney’s position on abortion as governor was to the right of McCain’s

I’m sorry but you are absolutely wrong!

John McCain has a very strong pro-life record; indeed, an almost perfect pro-life voting record in the Senate. His only error is that he has supported limited ESCR; a position that, unfortunately, is not uncommon among many who consider themselves pro-life (eg. Nancy Reagan). The argument is that you might as well put the “tissue” to good use. Note that I personally disagree with that line of argument.

Also note that as governor, Mitt Romney also supported ESCR and supported the Massachusetts state legislature in advancing research in that area. I am sorry but there is no way you can say that Romney was to the right of McCain on abortion (or on just about any other issue) when he was governor of Massachusetts.

But if it makes you feel better, I would much rather have Romney on the ticket than Huckabee. Huckabee is completely unacceptable to me.

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Personally...

mikefisk (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 6:26PM EST (link)

…that makes, from what I have read of Romney’s support of ESCR, Romney and McCain about equals on that issue, and I’ve not known McCain to being a particularly strong pro-lifer. That aside, I will accept the point that McCain has done well on the issue, although it’s one that doesn’t rank particularly high on my radar.

I don’t know who would make McCain more palatable to me as a candidate, although I think Romney would help in that regard. While there isn’t much I agree with the top of the ticket on, it’s more than I agree with Obama on, and hope that I can be relieved of some of my suspicions of him before election day.

“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk

9.25, -4.77

 
 

There is nothing "sincere" about faith

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 6:35PM EST (link)

that would exclude Romney for the reasons cited. They are utter Bull Snit.

  1. Social issues. Anybody who can’t see that is a total non-issue is braindead. First of all, VP’s don’t have input on policy. Second, the only thing that will impact social issues in any meaningful way is two new conservative SCOTUS justices. Constitutional amendments are utter non-starters. Third, like it or not social issues will (and should) take a back seat to the War and to the economy.
  2. Huckabee is a complete pinhead. He will lose the election for McCain in a big way. BIG way. We’ve already beat this subject to death and I don’t feel like rehashing it. I will say though, that I have no problem begrudging people their personal preferences when it comes to Huckabee.
  3. He’s a Mormon. I’m an Evangelical and I have serious theological problems with LDS. I’m not going to debate them here. I also don’t give a rip if Mitt’s a Mormon or a Wiccan.

All that said, I’d rather see Rudy (won’t happen).

The most truthful

SteveLA (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 6:40PM EST (link)

mike

Number three is about the most truthful reason that some of the social conservative wing of the R party objects to to Mitt. Truthful, but having no place in making a political decision in my view.

There’s been many high sounding but hollow objections to Romney, even here on RS, but the real truth has always been the objections of some to the LDS faith. In that sense these Pastors and Potentates coming out against Romney for his faith is really one of the most truthful statements on the matter.

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

Oh, I know it's true.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 7:30PM EST (link)

I’m an evangelical, so I’m around these folks all the time, and have been around most flavors. There are a number of them that would flat out tell you they’d never vote for a Mormon regardless of his positions on the issues.

My only hope is, its these same ones that never vote anyway, because even if Jesus Himself were running, they’d find something to complain about.

You can read about the in your Bible Dictionary under “Pharisee”.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

 
 
 

Evangelicals & Romney

richardellison Tuesday, July 29th at 10:02PM EST (link)

Most of these so called evangelical leaders no more lead the average evangelical than I do. They have sold a few inane books, or they have a mega church and they get a little ink or TV coverage.
They for the most part are very superficial and live in their on little biased world.
I am a life long evangelical,have been in numerous evangelical circles for many years, and have practiced and preached the evangelical message.
There is now and has been for years a certain mix within the evangelical movement that is made up of phony self promoting charlatans that would gag a maggot. No self respecting evangelical would give these clowns the time of day.

 

Is this an attempt to stop a faith war

Whitfox (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 10:36PM EST (link)

or stir one up?

Frankly, I don’t think Romney has much to complain about if some leaders want a stronger social conservative. There are people with better credentials. There are even people with better credentials who aren’t fiscal liberals like Huckabee. If McCain is a little weak here, all the more reason to seek a commitment expressed through a VP pick.

But let’s take the case that’s obviously causing most concern: some voters who distrust Romney because of his faith. I’m sure there are some, which is as much as the article claims. Here Romney is stuck in a catch-22 situation. Are the values of his church important to him, affecting his behavior? Then his religion is a relevant issue. Is he going to supercede his specific church values for the sake of political correctness? Then he’s arguably a squish on values. It would take masterful skill to successfully navigate between the two. Romney hasn’t demonstrated it so far.

I point out that any member of a minority church with strong views, Christian or not, has the same problem. Heck, Methodism is highly regarded in the USA, and Bush had to directly repudiate anti-Catholicism to win the 2000 primary. At some point, the successful candidate has to stop blaming the establishment and voters for doing what they think is right, and instead find a way to establish trust.

IMO, Romney’s inability to establish trust extended far beyond Evangelicals, and explains why he lost the primary despite his financial advantages. This doesn’t strike me as a good trait in a VP either.

Over the top.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 10:44PM EST (link)

Nice lecture from somebody who’s been here three days.

You’ve managed to simplify the stone throwing process to an incredible degree. You’re a lifelong evangelical and I’m Homer Simpson. If you were who you say you are and you were serious about things of faith and things of politics, you would be smart enough to separate the two. You aren’t.

As an example, let’s look at James Dobson. He has earned tremendous credibility in the evangelical (and broader religious) community in the area of families, children and biblical values. In the area of politics, he’s basically a one issue band and he has little credibility when he threatens to sit out the election or start a third party.

You don’t bother to elaborate on those who you think would “gag a maggot”, and I don’t want you to think that you need to respond to this with a list of names. I doubt we’d be interested given the pathetic quality of your current post.

Go back in your cave now.

I'll differ with you a bit on item 1)

Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 10:56PM EST (link)

Assuming that McCain would win the election…if he picks a VP that is relatively young, it’s probably a 50/50 that his VP would run for POTUS in 2012. And the VP would have a tremendous advantage against any GOP challenger in the next election. And if that VP was someone who might be perceived as weak on certain social issues, like support for homosexual marriage and/or abortion, then it DOES become quite relevant within 2-3 years, when the next excruciatingly long campaign begins. We then begin the debate as to whether that VP (Romney?) would nominate someone for SCOTUS who would take a social conservative position on cases that involve those issues.

So, of the three arguments – the first one does have a bit of relevance. But as one who is an arch-socon, I can say that Romney doesn’t concern me much on that front. I think his loosey-goosey positions on those things while he was the Mass governor were probably slanted because of his constituency…ie. he didn’t have a heck of a lot of choice in the matter.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

No such Romney "Catch 22"

gensec (Diary) Tuesday, July 29th at 11:58PM EST (link)

Romney is open to pot shots from this or that faction on his positions, credibility etc. like any other prospective veep. However you assume a premise not in evidence to claim a Mormon Catch 22:

Here Romney is stuck in a catch-22 situation. Are the values of his church important to him, affecting his behavior? Then his religion is a relevant issue. Is he going to supercede his specific church values for the sake of political correctness? Then he’s arguably a squish on values.

This supposed dilemma would only exist if a candidate has some religious beliefs that would compel him to take political actions inconsistent with the positions he’s running on. I’m not aware of any religious belief that Romney has to abandon for the sake of electability.

Do you know of some conflict between Romney’s religious beliefs and his positions? I’m talking about Romney’s beliefs, not somebody else’s caricature of what he must believe if he’s a Mormon.

For example Romney’s beliefs forbid him from enjoying alcoholic beverages. (Heck, they probably don’t even allow him to drink without enjoying it!) But I don’t see it as any sell out of his religion because Romney doesn’t try to stop me from drinking.

I point out that any member of a minority church with strong views, Christian or not, has the same problem. Heck, Methodism is highly regarded in the USA, and Bush had to directly repudiate anti-Catholicism to win the 2000 primary.

That had nothing to do with Bush’s Methodist affiliation – i.e. nobody that needed to be taken seriously suggested that Bush being Methodist carried any presumption of being anti-Catholic. Without researching the details, I’ll safely assume any need for Bush to repudiate anti-Catholicism was like McCain’s experience – the consequence of appearing with some clown who turned out to have a record of anti-Catholic statements, perhaps an appearance at Bob Jones U.

I may be a minority of one but

ZootSuit (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 12:03AM EST (link)

I do not want “someone for SCOTUS who would take a social conservative position on cases that involve those issues.”

I want someone for SCOTUS who will adjudicate based on the text and history of the U.S. Constitution. Whether that adjudication is “socially conservative” or not is irrelevant to the work of a Justice. No more William Brennans but no more Harriett Miers either.

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No Zoot I'm with you

BlackConservative (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 12:29AM EST (link)

And how are you, by the way? I agree with you on the Supreme Court-in fact it’s why I prefer Thomas to Scalia. Thomas is more of a constitutionalist, whereas Scalia seems that he can veer off into Republicanland, which while I agree with, I don’t want in a justice. Of course, I’m not a full blown Social Conservative so take that however you want. :-)

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.-Jesus Christ

 
 
 
 
 
 

The "Christians hate rRomney because he's a Mormon" Meme is really getting old!

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 1:19AM EST (link)

Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Some religious leaders are suspicious of Romney’s Mormon faith, considering him to not be a Christian, and therefore diminished in standing in their eyes.

Jesse Jackson is a Race Hustler…What does that make the “Christians hate Mitt because he’s a Mormon” crowd. Someone last week told me they never see this as a standard attack by Romney supporters yet I see it in two separate diaries on the same day…You and others always say “Some religious leaders are suspicious of Romney’s Mormon faith” yet no one ever quotes any of those so called religious leaders. Most of the ones you could come up with if you tried to back up your statements would be toothless hillbillies but that doesn’t matter…they provide the wood for your fire doesn’t it?

It’s kind of like the press with their “sources say” meme which they use to smear their targets yet they never have to produce those so called sources.

There are many reasons to object to Romney as VP without the “Mormon” excuse…and his supporters are no better than Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson when they smear Romney’s opponents as anti Mormon bigots without any proof to back up the claim…I for one am sick of it!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Truthful?...Prove it Steve!

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 1:23AM EST (link)

What “Evangelical leader has raised Romney’s Mormonism as a reason to stay home…give quotes and dates…

BTW…can you give me your mind reading powers or are they unique only to you because your whole statement is based on what you seem to know “Evangelical leaders” are saying without saying it!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

5*5*5*5*5*5

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 1:28AM EST (link)

nt

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

5*5*5*5*5*5*5

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 1:33AM EST (link)

nt

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 

stop calling Christians bigots

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 2:43AM EST (link)

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/gamecock/2008/07/26/dobsonsmomentsandevangelicalselectiondays#comment-4363

http://race42008.com/2007/12/27/bigotry-identity-politics-class-envy-and-reaching-out-a-devine-primer/

I think it is the media that advances the idea that identity politics is behind Huck’s rise.

Huck rose due to:

1) Having a pulse, esp in debates, as compared to the rest, (See passion, vision and reaching out) on religious and mostly non-religious issues;

2) Mitt was in Iowa too long; and

3) The rest were in Iowa too little.

Huck is admired for being unashamed to take on the PC police by being very public with his faith and not being afraid to say the name of Jesus in public.

But Huck’s rise is quite limited in substance and he will fall. But let’s not insult his supporters as he falls by labeling them bigots.

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Huck's Army doesn't pass the Duck test

lobo (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 6:36AM EST (link)

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

There are numerous times in Iowa and other places that Huck and his Army used religion as a sword. And to indicate it was anything else, is beyond belief. He got almost no support except from evangelicals. They have come out and said point blank that one of the reasons not support Romney is because of his religion.

Huck’s Army continues to slam Romney at every turn. In the history of modern politics, I have never ever seen a group so adoment against a losing candidate.

Are there two moons on your planet?

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 6:43AM EST (link)

Face fact – the justices have ideology and it colors their decisions, some more than others. The way the justices read the text is affected by their internal values. Would some be more literal than others? Yep. But it is impossible to separate ideology from the process.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

great comment mbecker

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 7:17AM EST (link)

Agree with every word.

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Question

mikefisk (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 7:33AM EST (link)

How can I negatively generalize a group that I am a member of? I am an Evangelical Christian, and wouldn’t say that such thinking exists at large. However, I can understand the theological background behind it, and why some people would prefer to have a Christian leader, defined as they see fit. (Obviously, such a qualification is pretty far down on my list of priorities… if the person I think will manage America the best over the coming span of time happens to be, say, atheist or Buddhist, I’ll vote for the atheist or the Buddhist.)

I agree with lobo’s comment, that this is more of a scorched-earth campaign to try to rehabilitate Huckabee… to raise his profile, he must first destroy everyone else’s until it it below his.

“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk

9.25, -4.77

superiority complex re your group

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 8:31AM EST (link)

self loathing
must I go on?

I am not saying the above fit you, but I know plenty of arrogant young Christians that feel morally superior to their own and strike out.

I don’t care about Huckabee. I care about the reputation of his voters (esp in Iowa), Evangelicals, Christian and Southerns, all of whom I find to be the least bigoted groups I encounter.

Can you find an isolated person here of there among these groups that would not vote for a Mormon, for that reason? Yes. And most of them would prefer a Christian due to fears of losing people to Christ. I don’t share that view, but it is not bigoted, per se.

But if you want to find droves of people that won’t vote for a Mormon or even a Christian that they think is a believer, see non-believing liberals, some of whom attend liberal churches.

Romney wore out his welcome in Iowa. Iowa is unique. Weak field. Good early debates. Mitt’s gaffes and flips.

I was for Mitt and I watched Mitt win over SC Evangelicals and then give up.

This meme of Christians as bigots is a lie. Its a meme of the left and we should stop aiding their cause.

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I'm not saying...

mikefisk (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 9:11AM EST (link)

…that it’s a widespread sentiment, but I have seen it myself. It’s probably the smallest of the three in terms of effect on the list, which is why I placed it last as well (I did choose to rank them in order of significance). In among the percentage of conservative Evangelicals that would actually even threaten to stay home if Romney was on the ticket (the WaTimes article estimates 7-10%, and the number that actually would being lower than that), that actually signifies to me that there is a lot less intolerance among Evangelicals as a whole than, say… secular Democrats (there’s an idea for a poll… ask Democrats if they would support Harry Reid if he were to run for President in 2012, and make sure they know that he is a Mormon… I bet the percentage of people who change their mind once the qualifier is raised would be, by itself, higher than 7-10%).

Simply put, when you’re dealing with a segment of a fraction of a sub-population, trends can pop up that could only be defined as irrational. The intent was simply to illuminate, not to grant legitimacy to any of those claims.

“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk

9.25, -4.77

'becker, would you really vote for a Wiccan?

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 10:16AM EST (link)

Aren’t Wiccans different in KIND? as in good v evil with wiccans being worshipers of the dark side.

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we cool, but I'll bet you this

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 10:19AM EST (link)

Had Mitt not worn out his welcome in Iowa, campaigned harder in NH and SC, he might have won. The crowded field and the libs in Iowa hurt him.

Mitt’s share of the evangelical vote was good, given all the above.

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Actually, the ones *I* know...

Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 10:41AM EST (link)

…are pretty straightforward polytheists with a predilection for envisioning the Divine in a dual male/female form.

They’re also mostly 2nd Amendment absolutists, come from a military background, and would like the government to generally stay out of their lives – but that’s just par for the course for the crowd that I run with.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Moe, there are theists and there are theists

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 1:03PM EST (link)

The Pope gave a grand sermon a few years ago explaining to secular Europe how all religions are not equal. That judeo-christian values made civilized and free europe possible.

Moe, Radical Islamists are monotheists. You wouldn’t vote for them for Pres.

Wiccans are polytheists and so are Hindus, but the polys for Wiccans are evil. The Bible warns that these powers are the enemy of God. They woship evil.

Hindus don’t.

Mormons don’t.

I am not saying that we can’t be friends with wiccans to some extent, but to make them President.

Hell, literally, no.

While we are at it, let’s discuss the word cult.

I was for Mitt for pres for over a year. I would vote for him today for president. But, as I wrote in a blog a year ago, the dominant religion decides what is a cult, and by the age old technical definition, Mormon Church is a cult because they add to the canon and other things on doctrine.

All cults are not created equal. I don’t use the term as it has evolved after Jim Jones, etc.

Now, to say that the confession of the LDS is a cult, does not meant that any Mormon is not a Christian. Mitt says Jesus is savior. John3:16 confession. I take him at is word and would say he is a Christian in that most important sense.

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Gamecock apologizes to Moe

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 6:24PM EST (link)

for “stalinist” remark (too much mark levin?) and appreciates the RS commutation of original 24 hour ban to less than 7 hours.

God bless Redstate and his Moeness.

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well, glad to have you back

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 6:48PM EST (link)

And may we all hoist drinks together in good times, brother!

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Let it be as if it never happened, gamecock.

Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 6:52PM EST (link)

The site was lessened by your absence, and that absence is now redressed by your return. Let us now return to comity, amity, and the relentless crushing of our enemies.

Given a choice between

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 7:22PM EST (link)

An eloquent, hard charging, take no prisoners conservative Wiccan in the political mold of Fred/Rudy? In a heart beat I’d vote for him or her.

God bless you brother

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 7:35PM EST (link)

amen, as you said.

GC loves you man.

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I hoisted many for the sake of the one

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 7:38PM EST (link)

at happy hour!

Absolut Red Bulls

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Welcome back, GC,

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 7:42PM EST (link)

Knew you couldn’t stay away long.

In Vino Veritas

One day I will own this place!

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 7:45PM EST (link)

Seriously, and the sellers will be happy too!

thanks man

and hey, I’m moving back to the Peach State before McCain is Inaugurated.

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Speaking of Owning places...I left the water running

speciallist (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 7:57PM EST (link)

and the A/C full blast…sorry..but I found a job!

u r on a special list of gems! - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, July 30th at 8:00PM EST (link)

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Doing well

ZootSuit (Diary) Thursday, July 31st at 6:57AM EST (link)

Keeping very busy. Thus the tardy response.

And thanks!

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Just one moon

ZootSuit (Diary) Thursday, July 31st at 7:04AM EST (link)

And it circles this planet we call, Earth.

But you fail to distinguish what judicial temperate is. Personally, I would rather have the late Raoul Berger than a Harriett Miers on the High Court any day of the week.

Sorry, but your argument reminds me too much of that of the Harvard Crits I used to battle with years ago. I hate to see it rising it ugly head among the Right now.

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