Ron Paul…


Is a complete moonbat and an embarrassment not just to the Republican Party, but to the whole nation. My opinion of him is pretty well documented back to the 2008 Primary so I’m not going to rehash it other than to say that my opinion of Dr. Paul has not improved one little bit. The guy is an ignorant fool on foreign policy and on economics and his rants about the Constitution are never better than marginal.

So, why am I writing a diary about Ron Paul. Well, thanks for asking. We’ve had a rash of idol worshipers through here in the past week or so. I thought the following was relevant to some of the discussions that went on with them. Ben Bernacke just testified before a House Committee that Ron Paul sits on. Rep. Paul got to question him. Here’s the most incredible five minutes and change you’ll likely watch in a while. Please stop whatever you are doing and play close attention starting at 1:50…

Now I usually try to keep my comments to mostly single syllable words when dealing with children and fools, so pay really close attention here. If you’ve gotten this far and you think Ron Paul is fit for anything but the production of Soylant Green, you are a raving idiot incapable of rational thought. Or you are a fellow traveler from the planet Ronulan. I would have suggested that you should be shot, but at the current price of ammunition I’m going to opt for starvation.

Note, I am putting The Franz Rule in effect for this diary.

If you are a Ron Paul supporter, please rejoin your merry little band and stop dirtying up our house.



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well he has Barney's Frank on his side -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 10:58PM EST (link)

Molon Labe!

 

Starts with reasonable but amateurish...

fmaidment (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 11:08PM EST (link)

…analysis of the effect of low interest rates, then degenerates into nonsensical allegations and conspiracy theories.

Nice job, Ron. Here, have some Prozac.

And now he gives Bawney plenty of political cover to investigate the activities of previous Republican administrations (deflecting the ethical allegations against Bawney himself).

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I'm sure that's the way it goes with Barney Frank

Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 11:17PM EST (link)

let RP question for awhile, take his arguments seriously, then change the person to question to someone else. Why else do the Dems like RP? He sort of one of them.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 

He always starts out sounding reasonable.

Steph C (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 8:18AM EST (link)

He just can’t seem to maintain reasonable beyond a couple of minutes.

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Is anyone aware that AUDIT THE FED ALREADY EXISTS?

voter4therepublic (Diary) Saturday, April 3rd at 1:59AM EST (link)

Here’s ample proof that libertarians have NO CLUE of what they’re talking about.

Tell them that *AUDIT THE FED* is already a law. Which it is, in the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. See how many ways they either skirt the question or put words in Ron Paul’s mouth. They don’t know themselves. They rarely have any idea of what they’re talking about.
http://www.federalreserv…e.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm

It’s requested by the GAO, THE GAO IS HEADED BY THE COMPTROLLER OF THE U.S.

http://www.gao.gov/
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1207
http://www.opencongress….org/bill/111-s604/news_blogs
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm

Why is Ron Paul trying to write in laws that already exist? I’d never thought I’d say this, but poor Bernanke.

correction

voter4therepublic (Diary) Saturday, April 3rd at 2:01AM EST (link)

here’s the link.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm

He’s trying to get rid of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 which has the Audit the Fed mandate in it.

 
 
 

Ah heck, shoot them anyway becker

Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 11:13PM EST (link)

There is no need to keep them alive and raving zombies are not welcome at my house. His speed talking sounds Mexicans when they speak in Spanish. Also, he sounds like a Carpetbagger and that still not a good thing down in the South. BTW, the EU would be the first to bailout Greece and I’m fairly sure that they will. We wouldn’t really care unless US happen to carry lots of Greek debt.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 

Who dares speak the name of he who shall not be named?

Erick Brockway (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 11:17PM EST (link)

Oh, it’s you Becker.
Reco’d, but expecting the demon hordes any second.

Well don't have to say it 3 times in order have him here. -nt-

Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 11:28PM EST (link)

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 
 

Oh, Becker, is this the picture you were looking for?

Erick Brockway (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 11:22PM EST (link)

I love ya Erick.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 7:47AM EST (link)

In a manly sort of way of course. :-)

Oh and Erick, this one goes in the Franz Rule file. nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 7:51AM EST (link)

If you liked that, you'll love this

Erick Brockway (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:58AM EST (link)

Try this pic:

Jake W (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 8:14PM EST (link)

Ron Paul Dope

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Reco'ed. Just so they know who they worship.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 11:55PM EST (link)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
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Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 

The real question in all of this is,

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, February 24th at 11:59PM EST (link)

DID THE FEDERAL RESERVE LED MONEY TO SATAN?! THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW!!!

I have to say, my respect for Bernanke (which was already high) has shot up upon watching this video; I certainly wouldn’t have been able to keep a straight face while listening and responding to the baseless allegations thrown out by Ron Paul. I was half-expecting the man to start on the JFK assassination. This pompous fool knows nothing about economics or the Reserve, and the fact that such an obvious moron is the primary architect of the Audit the Fed bill tells me all I need to know about the practicality of promoting such a thing in Congress.

Calling Ron Paul a moonbat is a disservice to bats everywhere, whose intelligences and utility are impugned by such an association.

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I'm sorry, that should be, "LEND"

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 12:01AM EST (link)

An enthusiastic search for the truth should never be tempered by good spelling and grammar :)

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All the documents are released after 5 years

hickorystick (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 12:06AM EST (link)

ruins a perfectly good conspiracy.

 

Zounds!

Jake W (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 3:30AM EST (link)

RP makes me actually agree with Ben Bernanke!

Also, I love this quote of yours, mbecker: “If you’ve gotten this far and you think Ron Paul is fit for anything but the production of Soylant Green, you are a raving idiot incapable of rational thought. Or you are a fellow traveler from the planet Ronulan. I would have suggested that you should be shot, but at the current price of ammunition I’m going to opt for starvation.”

Obviously, this gets a reco from me.

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I never saw a guy talk for 3 minutes without even taking a breath before -nt

bk (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 5:25AM EST (link)

Ronulans don't breath through their nose or mouth.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 7:50AM EST (link)

They actually absorb O2 through their ears and eyes (hence their notorious inability to read and hear) and then CO2 is expelled through their feet, hence the term “carbon footprint”.

 
 

It's A Shame We DIdn't Have The Fed Back In the 1840's

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 7:41AM EST (link)

They could have bankrolled all the Freemasons who were out poisoning the wells.

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No don't shoot them. Some of them can be saved.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 8:08AM EST (link)

If you can break through the various conspiracy theory stuff, they actually become reasonable people. For the most part, they are freedom loving people who believe in the US Constitution. They have become infected with the idea that there are “hidden masters” behind every corporation, every government official, every president, etc… It’s just that they all seem to have different ideas who these hidden masters are. Sometimes it’s the Builderburgers, the Illuminati, the CFR, the UN, or whatever other group is popular at the moment. And RonPaul! is the one person who will expose this conspiracy and fix the problem.

Maybe they just feel that things are out of control and there MUST be some specific evil “person” moving events.

For those Ron Paul supporters who believe in conspiracies: There is no conspiracy. You don’t need a conspiracy to explain the events that occur. You don’t need RonPaul! to fix the problems for you.

What there is is a battle of ideologies. People (even politicians) have certain beliefs that guide their actions and the policies they support. Sometimes they have other motivators that cause them to act in conflict with their beliefs (greed or lust or just the lure of more “power” is usually a large part of this conflict). Other times a major disaster occurs or an issue becomes so pronounced that causes them to “take action” and make laws to resolve the current problem.. These laws are usually very bad laws that have a large number of unintended consequences.

So anytime you’re thinking “conspiracy” start looking for a more mundane explanation. The more mundane version is usually the correct one.

So what to “do”? Well, get in touch with your core principles. When someone asks you to support some idea or other, compare it with your core principles and see how it fits.

If you’re wondering, my core principles are Liberty and the Individual Responsibility that goes along with having Liberty. Everything else builds from them.

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Sorry Brian I couldn't agree less.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 8:15AM EST (link)

The ones who’ve passed through here are raving moonbats, incapable of rational thought. And while it may not be worth $0.80 to put them out of their misery, I’m all for sending all of their food supplies to the hungry polar bears to save that species. The Ronulan species is not worth saving and the individuals are not worth the time or energy to even try.

I'm an evangelist for the cause Becker.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 8:33AM EST (link)

I believe that anyone CAN be saved.* Unfortunately, a large number of Pauliacs won’t listen long enough for it to sink in. But even if it’s only 1%, it’s worth the effort to TRY.

And even for the 99% that won’t listen. At least I’ll try to steer their votes in our direction.

*Saved is the right way of looking at it. Like a Christian evangelist, I may only plant a small seed and never know if it took root. But a few of those seeds will take root and bare fruit and spread seeds of their own. Ideas are wonderful and dangerous things…

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I don't care if you are right or left

Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 8:29AM EST (link)

I don’t care if you love Rush or Tweety. If you are looking for grand schemes that put you down. If you are looking for a bogey man who made you fail, you better look in the mirror.

This country was made by people who took their lives into their own hands. Only failures look for someone else to blame for there ills. Some blame imaginary conspiracies, others blame racism, society, even bad luck. When will people decide they are in charge of their futures?

I do care about people even those who are misguided. But I would be lying to them if I gave them the hope of a savior of this earth. The Paulites are not even libertarian, but conspiracy theorists. They want to blame the Fed, the foreigners, the military industrial complex etc. They want to blame others for their failures and not man up.

I tell the same thing to social conservatives as I do to left wing libs. If you are waiting for the government to make things right, you will have a long, long wait.

Molon Labe!

I think you've made the right diagnosis Doc.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 8:59AM EST (link)

I think the birthers also suffer from this same ailment.

Now, what’s the prescription?

How do we break through conspiracy theories into people’s brains? How do we get them to stop thinking there’s a puppeteer and get them back to reality?

Do we just shoot them to put them out of their misery as Becker suggest? Or can we cure them?

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The only "cure" as I see it...

conservativemusician Thursday, February 25th at 10:48AM EST (link)

Is to put responsible grown-ups in office over the long-term, not people like Ron Paul. You’re always going to have the fringe nuts on both sides of the spectrum who will not be persuaded no matter how hard you try. It’s not like the Paul people don’t have access to the same information we do in making their judgements about the issues. They’ve just come to wrong conclusions, so I wouldn’t spend too much time trying to “evangelize” them becuase they’re probably not going to come around to reality anyway. In the words of Ron “Tater Salad” White, “You can’t fix stupid” :-) Just my 2 cents.

Also, I don’t care what the CPAC straw poll said. There is no way that Ron Paul is going to be the GOP nominee for president in 2012. He’s just too far out there to be considered credible by the conservative base. Real conservative change is coming to this country…and it not going to look like Ron Paul.

 

tough question Brian

Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 5:50PM EST (link)

since the argument is government can never be the solution, I guess we have to look elsewhere for the answer. Somehow people have been trained to believe government IS the solution. Does it come from the media, public schools, and apathetic parents? I would argue that it does.

Of course I might come off as sounding like I believe in conspiracies, but this is no conspiracy, it is up front, it is out and proud. I believe the Founders were elected to represent the people because the people valued the traits the founders lived by.

If we are going to get good people in government that will shrink it, we need a society that values self reliance again.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 
 

Some of these people have been in Congress so long,

penguin2 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 8:20AM EST (link)

one wonders if they have dementia. That is the only thing I can think of when I hear such bizarre statements. The problem is – those kinds of statements get lodged in ignorant peoples’ brains and take hold, and then it spreads. Barney Frank jumped on the bandwagon….it is in is best interest to do so, deflects stuff from him and the Dems. Notice how he repeated Nixon and Reagan names”

Ron Paul Republican? Hard to believe….he keeps trying to cause our side harm.

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Yeah, Barney did really jump on that bandwagon

mwmom Thursday, February 25th at 1:51PM EST (link)

And the guy sitting a few seats away (sorry I don’t know his name) laughed and shook his head as he was eagerly pouncing on Nixon and Reagan. That stuff from RP was like an early Christmas present for BF. Deflection is not helpful here.

 
 

Bernie May want to chime in...

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:27AM EST (link)

…the commentary is as good as any Fox group.

 

He is either naieve or complicit

Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:30AM EST (link)

IN his part of attacking most anything that comes from the GOP and nary a peep attacking the true enemy which is the progressivism coming from the Liberals and the Democrats. Sorry if you are either to naieve to understand your affects or know what you are doing, neither has a place at the table for what we need to do in 2010 or 2012 to get this country back on track.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

The FED is Progressivism

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:09AM EST (link)

Who started it?
Same guys who pushed the 16th and 17th amendments.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Founders = Progressives.

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:38AM EST (link)

I guess you think the Founders, like say James Madison who instituted a truly Central Bank were ‘Progressives” then. More so than the Decentralized Federal Reserve Central bank.

brilliant

Actually Madison, opposed on constitutional grounds, the First Bank

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 2:30PM EST (link)

And having written the constitution one assumes he would know.
As president he did what a lot of people with power do; he made an exception for himself and created the second bank.

But even Hamilton the proposer of the first central bank laid down intelligent restrictions such as not allowing bthe bank to buy government debt and not allowing the bank to “create” money. It had to be capitialized like any other business.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Re-

jasonlibertarian Thursday, February 25th at 7:18PM EST (link)

Ron Paul doesn’t want congress to control interest rates, contrary to uninformed opinion. He wants interest rates to be set by the market. I agree that congress setting rates would be a much bigger disaster than letting the Fed do it. So does Paul. People left and right and flabbergasted by this suggestion. What, rely on the market?

 
 
 

I am not arguing that

Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:42AM EST (link)

As far as the Federal Reserve goes I do have two minds on that. One mind tells me that we should not have private firms working in secret handling our monetary policy, the other mind tells me though that if the monetary policy was handled by congress, as it is now or in the other sides hands, we would have more exposure to bubbles than we do now because the Monetary supply would be another political decision subject to the whims of the median voter. My main concern with Ron Paul, is that he tends to throw his fire at conservaitves, and republicans, when the real fire should be focused at the liberals and the dems first. You torch the castle of your enemy first, then start trying and hanging those in your own house that were complicit with said enemy.

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The Federal Reserve

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 1:05PM EST (link)

isn’t completely private, which is why Bernanke and the Fed Gov. are appointed by the POTUS and reports to Congress to then entertain clowns like Frank and Paul. Which is better option than lettting Frank and Paul themselves set Monetary Policy.

Ironically, what Pauls wants is actually much closer to being(if not) Unconstitutional. He wants Private Banks only, with Fractional Reserve Lending outlawed, issuing Currencies to compete against each other. ALl of which would be commodity based. After the 2nd National Bank Madison signed into law was overruled, we had that “Free Banking System” for 30 yrs roughly. Big failure, led to 2 great depressions and nearly a 3rd but California Gold Rush saved that one.

The Fed Reserve is based on the First and Second National Banks(and by extension the Bank of England), but as a compromise was “Decentralized” to help it sell politically and try to keep places like NY from being too powerful.

Read the chapter in Walter Russell Meads book, “God and Gold” on the connection to the Bank of England and how this all came about and shaped everything we have today and really the main thing that helped England defeat France, or else we’d likely be under French control today. eeeekkk

 

The Federal Reserve

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 1:05PM EST (link)

isn’t completely private, which is why Bernanke and the Fed Gov. are appointed by the POTUS and reports to Congress to then entertain clowns like Frank and Paul. Which is better option than lettting Frank and Paul themselves set Monetary Policy.

Ironically, what Pauls wants is actually much closer to being(if not) Unconstitutional. He wants Private Banks only, with Fractional Reserve Lending outlawed, issuing Currencies to compete against each other. ALl of which would be commodity based. After the 2nd National Bank Madison signed into law was overruled, we had that “Free Banking System” for 30 yrs roughly. Big failure, led to 2 great depressions and nearly a 3rd but California Gold Rush saved that one.

The Fed Reserve is based on the First and Second National Banks(and by extension the Bank of England), but as a compromise was “Decentralized” to help it sell politically and try to keep places like NY from being too powerful.

Read the chapter in Walter Russell Meads book, “God and Gold” on the connection to the Bank of England and how this all came about and shaped everything we have today and really the main thing that helped England defeat France, or else we’d likely be under French control today. eeeekkk

Implied Powers doctrine

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 1:11PM EST (link)

and if you are wondering, the Founders themselves developed(as they went/governed) the “Implied Powers” doctrine. Under that the Fed Reserve is not Unconstitutional, or the First and Second National banks before it.

Hamilton came up with implied powers in order to justify the Bank he wanted

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 2:36PM EST (link)

Not unusual for soemone who wants something to rationalize how to get it.

Case in point is Jefferson and the original Louisiana Purchase. A strict constructionist he nevertheless talked himself into what was constitutionally questionable.
And no I don’t think we should give it back to France and have a third world nation in Louisana. OK, third world nation ruled by France.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 

Implied Powers doctrine

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 1:11PM EST (link)

and if you are wondering, the Founders themselves developed(as they went/governed) the “Implied Powers” doctrine. Under that the Fed Reserve is not Unconstitutional, or the First and Second National banks before it.

 
 

"Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people." Jefferson

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 3:22PM EST (link)

The FED is effectively unanswerable.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

So's the military

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 5:59PM EST (link)

So’s the CIA.

So are all independent government agencies. Having specialized people do their jobs without being subject to the political winds of the day should be the ideal, not the enemy, so long as we are in general agreement concerning what the Fed should broadly be attempting.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

The President is directly in charge of the military

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:09PM EST (link)

There is no secret they will not reveal to him at his request. No constitutional, lawful order they will not follow. As an elected official he is answerable to the citizenry. The chain is there.
CIA is the same.
That is not true of the FED. He cannot to my knowledge require just any information of them on a whim. He cannot order them to act or fail to act.

Even if the President is not in broad agreement with what the FED is attempting to do. He can only remove someone from the board “for cause.”

Money, and its derivative interest, is a commodity like any other. If we can trust private industry to regulate the price of an apple we can trust it to regulate the price of money (interest). Or we can decide that we don’t trust free markets and capitulate to the progressives their entire 125+ years argument.

Before the FED interest averaged 3% or less. Before the minimum wage unemployment averaged less than 3%.

Government rarely fixes things by interfering in the free market.
Quasi-governmental agencies able to act with the force of law but without the accountability of the ballot box less so.

“Having specialized people do their jobs without being subject to the political winds of the day should be the ideal, not the enemy,”

That is very succinctly what Wilson pushed for when he advocated for the administrative state. And out of that we got the FAA, FDA, NOAA, NASA, EPA, FTC, FCC, FCC, IRS, etc. All expert run administrations, more than willing to tell us peons that they, the intellectuals, will let us know how to live and what is good for us. What you are advocating is EPA sponsored Cap and Trade regulations “insulated” from the political winds of Republican filibusters. Nasa can’t find its way back to the moon. The FCC forced the nation to scrap millions of TV and now tentatively declares a power to regulate thhe internet without congressional approval.

Of course I understand you don’t really want the EPA to implement Cap and Trade. You probably assume they have been “hijacked” by radicals. And they have. And so to will every bureaucracy and bureaucrat that the President can’t fire on a whim. Including the FED. If the FED hasn’t been corrupted yet it is only a yet. Yes the President can overlook corruption or be corrupt himself but he can be fired by the people.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Uhh... no.

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:23PM EST (link)

I see the Fed as a flawed institution with flawed human beings, which nonetheless is better at achieving an economically efficient flow of money than the private sector has, historically and economically speaking. The creation of money in the private sector is not directly related to demand for said money, and cannot be compared to other transactions in the free market. Take a look at the periods when we didn’t have a central banking system, and see how it went. Also, read Friedman’s “Monetary History”; it’s an easy-to-read book on monetary policy.

Minimum wage is a whole other bag of fun, and suffice it to say, I’m opposed to it. It has nothing to do with the Fed, though.

Seeing as how I don’t think that many of the functions handled by the organizations listed are legitimate functions of the federal government, Wilson’s views on the administrative state are irrelevant. At any rate, I don’t see how a populist leftist who enacts statist reforms in a manner distrustful of the “elites” is a whole lot better than the Wilson example; Huey P. Long and the long line of Latin American demagogues should have put the canard of intelligence vs. freedom to bed a long time ago. I stand by my assertion that having economically illiterate politicians looking to cover their own butts in charge of an auditing process led by the chief nut, Ron Paul, is infinitely worse than having an independent Fed, for several reasons. It is political theatre for the masses, and should be opposed as such (unless you thought that Ron Paul’s inquisition of Bernanke was particularly informed or relevant).

Again, the military, while accountable to the President, is more or less independent from him, as evidenced by the fact that it is not unionized, does not allow gays in the military, and has its own unique codes of conduct that the President cannot interfere with without legislative action. The same applies for other independent government agencies and programs. Perhaps the most well-known example of an “unaccountable” branch of government is the Supreme Court. Indeed, though the Court has embarked on some extra-Constitutional outcome forming of its own, I would argue that it would be worse to be without it, or for the executive branch to circumvent its decisions or sack its membership at will.

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SCOTUS?

RoguePolitics (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 8:23AM EST (link)

It is spelled out in the constitution. It is generally unaccountable by design.

When McKiernan wanted more troops in Afganistan he WAITED on Obama to make the call.

The FED, even if constitutional, should be subject to the executive on a daily basis and to the congress like any other dept. As spelled out in the constitution.

Where does the constitution delegate or enumerate a power to dodge responsibility by granting power to another unelected branch of government with power to control the economy? To create a privately held corporation with the power to make legally binding regulations?

We elect our presidents and to some extent our congress based primarily on the economy. The FED has more control over the economy than either.

The current collapse we are experiencing is a result of a FED created bubble just as the Great Depression was at least kicked off by the easy money of the 20′s.

They were never held to account then and under our current system they never will be.

If an unaccountably independent FED is necessary, self-government is a failure. It is recognition, by some, that in fact we must leave it to the experts and just stay out of their way.

For 100+ years the Ivy League experts have been running things. Not just the FED. We have gone from a creditor nation to a debtor nation. Our national moral fiber has all but disappeared. (This is a problem the RP folks don’t recognize.) We are entering into our second major depression in 80 years with a fair sprinkling of recessions in between. Our prospects coming out of this depression are much worse because we no longer have the manufacturing base, moral foundation or the intestinal fortitude our parents and grandparents had. We also enter this depression with a national debt equal to our GDP if using cash accounting or up to 5 times GDP using the accrual method of most large businesses. All gifts from the experts running our economy and educational system.

I don’t trust the EXPERTS. They have screwed everything up. Expert advisors sure but I trust regular people to make the decisions.

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The idea of a national bank long predates them

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:46AM EST (link)

I’d attribute it orginally to Alexander Hamilton.

And it was Dick Nixon who took us off of gold.

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Hamilton was copying..

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 12:57PM EST (link)

the Bank of England. It’s the source that has built the Modern World, i.e. an “Empire of Liberty”

True, True

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 1:00PM EST (link)

I meant in America, but your point is important.

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Significantly

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 5:56PM EST (link)

The Bank of North America, the US’ first bank, was chartered a mere six months after the Articles of Confederation were ratified, and was modeled after the Bank of England, which means that, interestingly enough, central banking in the US predates its tradition of standing armies by about 6 years. Central banking is the absolute best thing that’s happened in economics since free markets/free trade, and has a proud tradition in the US (’till the Jacksonians killed it off… but that’s another story for another time).

Just take a look at the Suffolk Bank’s natural monopoly of note-clearing if you want to see what a lassiez-faire banking system in the US would look like.

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By the way

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Emails to your other address keep delaying or even bouncing, I’m not sure. If you ever don’t get a reply to me let me know and I can re-send. :-)

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Where is this coming from?

newsflash (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:33AM EST (link)

I have no problem believing we were propping up Saddam Hussein before we decided to take him out. I think that’s part of the public record. I was not, however, aware of any significant underhanded role of the Fed in that propping up. So where is that claim coming from? Not quite from thin air:

http://www.utexas.edu/utpress/books/auedec.html

How strong is the evidence? I guess I’ll have to read the book.

As for the Watergate burglary, again, news to me if the Fed was involved in that, either the execution or the cover up. Where is that coming from? Not quite from nowhere:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19820616&id=6dUVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GxIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6977,2777644

That’s just one example. My 5 minutes of googling turned up a few other references in newspapers. But questions without answers are little more than innuendo. If a few forgotten newspaper articles is all he’s got to work from, then this is not a useful topic to mention.

Perpetual war is great and all, but who’s going to pay for it?

There are tons of Fed Conspiracy theories,

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:47AM EST (link)

few if any turn up to be credible.

Note recently he told Glenn Beck that the Fed was behind the CIA, who needs to be “Taken out” (i.e. Abolished). For an idea of were he’s coming from.

p.s. it was the Soviet Union who propped up Saddam in the 1980′s, the US had very very very very little ‘support’ if you can even call it that.

but of course, Paul is a Rothbardian fool who thinks its the USA who is the evil empire, led by the Federal Reserve….boogey boogey

 

There are tons of Fed Conspiracy theories,

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:47AM EST (link)

few if any turn up to be credible.

Note recently he told Glenn Beck that the Fed was behind the CIA, who needs to be “Taken out” (i.e. Abolished). For an idea of were he’s coming from.

p.s. it was the Soviet Union who propped up Saddam in the 1980′s, the US had very very very very little ‘support’ if you can even call it that.

but of course, Paul is a Rothbardian fool who thinks its the USA who is the evil empire, led by the Federal Reserve….boogey boogey

 

Hey Newsflash

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:34AM EST (link)

Care to explain your signature?

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I'd like to know as well

Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:12AM EST (link)

BTW, what’s up with the book written by the late Henry B Gonzales? I hope you know that he’s dead and his son is running his congressional district.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 

Sure

newsflash (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:27AM EST (link)

Put slightly differently, perpetual war isn’t so great because it gets expensive.

Perpetual war is great and all, but who’s going to pay for it?

Need more

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:31AM EST (link)

Whose perpetual war are you talking about?

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Pick your favorite

newsflash (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 12:25PM EST (link)

That sounds more flippant than it is. Seriously, who is going to pay for it? Whatever the government expenditure, we need to be asking that question.

Anyway, you’ve lured me off topic. I’ll leave it there.

Perpetual war is great and all, but who’s going to pay for it?

I'm not luring anything

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 12:51PM EST (link)

I’m trying to find out if you’re spreading false propaganda about the War on Terror that needs removed from the site.

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You don't mind, do you, Becker? (nt)

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I agree with you and it's not a threadjack.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 6:11PM EST (link)

As a matter of fact, I checked with Franz and we both think his sig is part of the same conspiracy theory that the diary was about in the first place.

Feel free to get all the exercise you want with this one.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

besides that...

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:49AM EST (link)

don’t you think if any of this were true, the evil dooers at the Fed would see to it none of it ever came to light and those like the Paultard and Alex jones would quickly be silenced????

 

So who financed 9/11?

jpniner (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:21AM EST (link)

Given Paul and his cultish true beleiver followers views on things, I’m sure alot fo them think Jew Bankers at the Federal Reserve ultimately are the guys behind 9/11? Would be alot if you could find this view openly stated at some Truther and/or Neo-Nazi websites

 

Ron Paul is a raving idiot.

antisocial (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 12:46PM EST (link)

Idiot Par Excellence.

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speciallist (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 12:49PM EST (link)

Hi, my name is David, and I used to support Ron Paul

DaveWT4 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 1:26PM EST (link)

For me the warning bell was the 2008 Primaries, when Ron-Ron declared he would pull troops out of Iraq. It was then that I knew I could never vote for him for President, but I still thought he would make a good SecTres. Not any longer. If he is going to spout all these nonsense conspiracies and give Barney Frank more ammo to hold off investigations into his and Dodd’s complicity in the Fannie/Freddie mess, then Ron Paul needs to go. I’m not in his district (I live next door in 22), but I think we need to find a candidate to primary Ron Paul.

5

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 1:32PM EST (link)

I used to like him, too, when all I knew about him was he voted against a lot of bad bills…

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RP has as much to do with conservatism and the GOP as Noam Chomsky

AKSteveB (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 12:21AM EST (link)

Besides being *NUTS* on basic economic issues, he is a dedicated Palestinian sympathizer and conspiracy theorist. When his cultists do move on, it isn’t likely to be towards mainstream conservatism or even some type of rational libertarianism, it will be radical left.

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DaveWT4- I thought there are

Scope (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 3:55PM EST (link)

3 candidates running against Paul in the primaries.

There are

DaveWT4 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 4:59PM EST (link)

As I said, I live in TX-22, Pete Olson is my Congressman, so I haven’t paid much attention to Ron Paul’s district. Most of my attention has been on the Governor’s race (thank you Glenn Beck for exposing Debra Medina!).

Well I have a sane congressman

Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 11:40PM EST (link)

I live in TX-02 and have Ted Poe as my congressman. TX-14 is very close(at times a bit too close). Until 2 years ago, I never gave Mr Paul much thought(I had to worry about Ciro D Rodriguez). I have my attention to Governors race but I thought that Medina’s shtick of not run for elected office was not going to help her. I figured on a real 2 person race anyway.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 
 
 
 

wow

ppdoc Thursday, February 25th at 1:46PM EST (link)

that guy is fruit loopy. we know he is an anti-semite. now we know that he is a crazy anti-semite. how does that fruitbat get reelected?

 

With all due respect, mbecker...

LaborUnionReport (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 4:52PM EST (link)

Never knowing who Ron Paul was before 2008, I watched him at the debate at the Reagan Library and sort of felt sorry for him, listened intently to what he was trying to say…then tuned him out (and the rest of the candidates) that night.

However, knowing that he hasn’t a chance in hades to ever dominate either the GOP or its platform, tread carefully before casting him aside entirely.

Ron Paul is to the GOP what Dennis Kucinich is to the DNC…a guy too loony to win, loud enough to make a couple of (loony) points that largely get ignored, but someone who has a rabidly loyal following and nifty roadsigns.

If the GOP alienates Paul out of the party, and he becomes a Nader or Perot, that would be a greater detriment than tolerating his loony tunes.

Better to have your Crazy Aunt Mary resting comfortably in her room, than running around the streets with her bathrobe flapping open creating a disturbance.

Just a thought.

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5555 you'll feel good Becker in a more permanent minority.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 5:22PM EST (link)

I don’t agree though that Paul only makes loony points. I do agree he’ll never be president.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

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Ron Paul is a 100% loon.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 6:18PM EST (link)

He has nothing to offer to either the Party or the country but his resignation. His followers are fruitloops who will never influence an election because, for the most part, the only reason they are “active” is because they’ve found the MotherShiip.

Ron Paul is not the equivalent of Dennis the Menace. He’s the equivalent of Lyndon LaRouche. His followers are the equivalent of LaRouchies, total nutcases.

Paul should be thrown off the Capitol Dome. He should be no more welcome in the Republican Party than David Duke.

Have this silly fight later after we win.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:32PM EST (link)

Whether you like it or not he polls much higher than LaRouche.

Those supporters are people by and large who support a strict adherence to the constitution. I assume you do. And they vote and they contribute money.

I was at several of the Tea Parties, there were a lot of nuts at some of them. Particularly Orlando and the 912 rally. If a few, or even a bunch, of nuts are all it takes for you to write off much larger swaths of people you’ll be tossing out the Tea Partiers shortly. You will also be in the minority more often than not.

It is actually ironic that the most irritating thing about ardent RP supporters is their inability to let minor differences alone while pursuing the larger cause. Ironic because you seem to share the trait.

Think about Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton, Adams, Paine, Henry.
Jefferson was as far politically from Hamilton as RedStaters from RP supporters. After the war Adams and Jefferson fought pitched battles. Paine was an atheist while Henry was devout. Hamilton was shot dead by Burr in a duel for crying out loud. But first they slayed the dragon.

There is another dragon to slay but if you can’t put aside your elitist distaste for a group that constitutes a natural ally the battle will not be won.

Have this silly fight later after we win.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

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where were you in '08?

randy streu (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:38PM EST (link)

His supporters, from what I could tell of them during the primaries, largely don’t give a ** about the Constitution. Mostly, they just want to smoke pot and not pay taxes.

Early on I supported RP then switched to Huck

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:58PM EST (link)

as the only remotely viable conservative. Romney is a fraud.

The biggest problem I have with RP is defense. Mostly agree economically with him.

As for you charge I can’t disagree that the most vocal of them fit the description. After all the MSM said so.

I have meet a great number of them in person though at Tea Partiers and at American Majority events and learned that most aren’t simply dope smoking losers.
They do love their country and they do agree with 90% of what RedStaters agree with.

In the interest of full disclosure I will cop to having a C4L account and can say they have the same debates on issues there as are had here. Meaning not everyone agrees on Iraq or legalizing dope or even ending the FED.

And yes the average C4L’r needs to get over it as well. We are not going to get 100% consensus and we shouldn’t try.
What we need to do is win. Because whether you are a RedStater or C4L we all can see that our country is going to hell while we fight about ridiculous nonsense or things that could be settled later.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

"huck is closest to Conservative"

randy streu (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 7:28AM EST (link)

Ohhhh…. THAT’s your problem.

Look, I don’t get my views on things or people from the mainstream media. I get it from people I actually talked to.

Obviously, you aren’t going to find those people at the TEA parties, because they DON’T CARE. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist. They got excited because this guy had all sorts of anti-establishment ideas and it appealed to them. now that he’s largely out of the picture again, they don’t care.

I am not sure what that means

RoguePolitics (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 7:45AM EST (link)

Essentially I decided RP couldn’t win, ever. So I picked somebody who might. I understand the lack of affection the average person has for a rabid RP supporter. But think winning means working with people you don’t like.

Their were a lot of freaks out the Tea Parties. The MSM made sure what they did show included as many as possible.
As an actual attendee, though, I saw they were in the minority. Way in the minority.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

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Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Well, it means that you have no clue what a "conservative" is.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 8:03AM EST (link)

Mike Huckabee is not by any stretch of the imagination a conservative.

He is pro-life. He doesn’t have a plan to actually do anything about it – certainly nothing that Rudy wouldn’t have done better (judges, administrative barriers to abortion reinstated, etc).

Outside of that one issue the guy is a progressive in the mold of Huey P Long. He never met a tax he didn’t like and he never met a problem that couldn’t be fixed by government intervention. Add to that the fact that the guy is a bald faced liar and about as ethically pleasing as any of Obama’s appointees and you’ve got Huckabee.

This is another issue that we battled out here during the ’08 primaries that we’re not rehashing with any specificity until the ’12 primaries.

You really have no approximation with reality.

Your right he wasn't a conservative

RoguePolitics (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 8:27AM EST (link)

There weren’t any in the race. Maybe I should have said most conservative. Yeah the taxes were a problem.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

"The taxes were a problem"

aesthete (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 12:07PM EST (link)

Actually, the “everything” was a problem. You name an issue, Huck had significant problems.

Crime? Not mentioning Wayne DuMond and other high-profile cases, here’s a good summary from someone on the left concerning Huck and “Civil Liberties” (leftist definition of the term).

Foreign Policy? Read Huck’s moronic Foreign Affairs article and get back to me. I particularly like his reference to the Bush administration’s non-existent “bunker mentality”, and his pointless, folksy and simplistic comparison of the US to the “top high school student”. Just in case you think that that’s an isolated incident, here’s Huck’s speech to CFR on foreign policy, where he trots out that same load of crap.

Taxes? Raised ‘em for proposed legislative spending, which he didn’t even try to cut.

Spending? Didn’t cut it, and he has one of the worst ratings on the issue (beating out several Democrats) on Cato’s governor rankings.

Illegal immigration? I’m a softie on this issue, but Huck is a raving lib, and goes so far as to propose using state funds to pay for scholarships for illegals to the legislature, among other things.

School choice? Didn’t support it in AR, citing “distance” as a reason, and was a fan of the NEA.

If you care more about gays having a piece of parchment than you do substantial issues that affect each and every one of us, or if you like ignorant governance with the charm turned up to 11, then Huck’s the choice for you. Otherwise, I’d reconsider your support of the man.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Huckabee wasn't anywhere near "the most conservative" person in the race.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 5:57PM EST (link)

Certainly both Fred and Rudy (in his governance) are both well to the right of Huckafool.

Fred was great until he actually got in the race

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:13PM EST (link)

Certainly he had my vote. I wish he had been as serious as his supporters.

Rudy is pro-abortion.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 
 
 

Yes... I was at the TEA parties as well.

randy streu (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:48AM EST (link)

and I’m not sure what it has to do with the weed-smoking Ron Paul morons who tool around the interwebs.

 

...winning means working with people you don’t like.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:02PM EST (link)

It certainly does. And we should be willing to work with Snowe and Collins and Scott Brown. We should even be willing to work with the likes of John McCain.

We should not be willing to work with, or even tolerate, the likes of David Duke or Ron Paul. Or their supporters.

It makes no sense to me to get in bed with people you can't trust.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:19PM EST (link)

By the way I met the Massachutts C4L state coordinator (Brad Wyatt) in TX at the American Majority post party summit.
I talked to him at length. He HEAVILY supported BROWN in MA. They even had him stand up for a round of applause. So strange that a Paul supporter would do such a thing don’t you think?

I agree with working with Collins, et al. When they are right.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Rogue you're a complete fool.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:33PM EST (link)

There are no politicians alive who “you can trust”.

Why would you think that I’d find that it strange that someone would support Scott Brown if they are from Massachusetts? Brown is a wonderful Senator from Massachusetts. But don’t think for a second that the guy is going to be a whole lot different from the ME Girls. Except that he’s a leader. He is, without a doubt, better than any Democrat the State could send to the Senate. Just like Snowe and Collins are better than any Maine Democrat.

Right now Scott Brown is the “Golden Boy” especially among those who can’t manage rational thought. He’s providing – so far – the block to the Dems vision of health care reform and for that he should earn our everlasting thanks. But he’ll never be a Jim DeMint and I’m guessing it won’t take long for the pro-life folks to be screaming for his scalp. Fortunately for him, there’s really not much a Senator can do about abortion, short of voting for nationalizing health care but he’s said he’d vote against that, in it’s current form, for other reasons.

There is no “tent” big enough to include Ron Paul.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Rogue, the fight isn't silly.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:55PM EST (link)

It, in fact, is central. I happen to be a “big tent” kinda guy. I want to support the most conservative Republican available in every race. I also understand that there can be no place in the movement for people like Ron Paul or David Duke OR their supporters.

The historical battles you note are not even close to a reasonable argument for accepting these moonbats. Hamilton, etal were arguing over the formation and direction of a young nation that might have potential. It was an experiment in government that had never been attempted and there was no consensus how, or even that, it could be successful or even survive.

Today we are the recipients of the gift that has become the shining light to humanity, an experiment that others would love to replicate given the opportunity. And what do we have in Ron Paul? Certainly not a Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, Paine or Henry. What we have in Ron Paul is nothing more than a fruit loop who uses his national platform to promote conspiracy theories, faulty economic theories, foolish foreign policy and an understanding of the Constitution that rivals Obama in stupidity.

Accept people like these and the movement will absolutely – and rightly – be recognized as a collection of fringe fools. Sort of like the Democrats and their acceptance of troofers and people like MoveOn and Michael Moore.

Randy is right. And from what I’ve seen both here and at lots of other sites, the fools following the Ronulan have never participated in the political process and will stop when he, thankfully, finally passes from the scene.

Sort of like the Democrats and their acceptance of troofers and people like MoveOn and Michael Moore.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:10PM EST (link)

Massive majority in the house. Filibuster proof (initially) in the senate. The fastest growth of government in history. The most socialist agenda to ever be attempted falling into place even as we speak.

And your point is?

I am not saying vote for him. He can’t win even if you did. I am saying it is pointless and shortsighted to purposely alienate his followers the way you are deliberately doing it.

It is foolish to drive away 5% of the active voting population when THEY agree with most of the things you agree with.
5% is enough to decide most presidential elections and enough to decide half or more of the congressional elections.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

And my point is, you idiot, that they are about to

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:24PM EST (link)

to be thrown in the street, their BoyPresident is looking more and more like a one-term-wonder, their Marxist agenda may well not be heard from again for the foreseeable future because the American people understand crazed moonbats when they finally start paying attention.

Ron Paul is every bit the crazed moonbat that David Duke is, and he’s just as bad on the Constitution.

You want to “reach out” to people, you don’t do it by embracing their foolishness and suicidal behavior. You do it by showing them the truth and seeing if they can manage to figure out that they’ve been lied to and used. That’s why most young people start out in “life” as liberals. Not so much to embrace the philosophy of the left, which they couldn’t explain or debate if their lives depended on it but simply, to paraphrase the bumper sticker, to “Defy Authority”. The Ronettes are of the same ilk. Little in the way of life experience, most have a personal ax to grind, incapable of managing a rational train of thought or a cogent argument and generally looking for a way to “Defy Authority”. Some find it in Michael Moore or Obama, some find it in the Ronulan.

Give them the truth and deny them access to the “mainstream” because they are off the planet. When they “see the light” welcome them and help them mature, but don’t make a place at the table for them until they’ve seen the light. And a current and appropriate example of this would be the folks right here at Redstate. You’d find that many of us, if not most of us, were Democrats earlier in life and some of us were very far left. I know for a fact that there is at least one former member of the SDS who posts regularly at Redstate.

Hats off Becker your reasoning skills are in a class by themselves.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:53PM EST (link)

It’s is a kindergarten class but it is all your own.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

RoguePolitics- I don't think you have figured out who you are

Scope (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 10:12AM EST (link)

or what you believe in. The C4L’s believe that they are the most principled of all. They slept well after the last presidential election, because they held to their “principles” and refused to vote against what many knew would be a socialist/marxist in Obama. The C4L votes wouldn’t have made the slightest difference, as I agree with you, they are far far in the minority. The republicans/conservatives don’t need their votes, or input.

To go from RP to Huckabee is very bizzare, unless you think Huckabee releasing a murder from prison equals freedom. As mentioned above, Huckabee never saw a tax increase he didn’t like. Huckabee attracted the far right evangelicals, which mostly believe that abortion and gay marriage are morally wrong. The C4L’s believe that they are personal choices, and right and wrong are in the eye of the beholder. I don’t know, but, maybe it was Huckabees dimples you were attracted to.

You keep saying that the C4L’s and the Redstaters agree about 90% of the time. If that was the case, there would not be such tremendous animosity between the two groups. Redstate would be getting on the C4L bandwagon if that was the case. They have decidedly disagreed on about 90% of what the C4L’s hold dear.

You say there were no conservatives in the Republican primary for president in 2008. That’s because no one ever meets the C4L’s “purity test.” I’m not quite sure what you would consider Fred Thompson, most likely a dreaded, hated neocon I guess.

As to, forgetting the silly stuff, until after the election, it would be a wonderful idea if the C4L’s would forget their silly stuff, and get on board with the conservatives and vote for the most conservative candidate in the race. Problem is, some of the very best conservative candidates don’t have non-interventionist policies. That is what makes them authentic conservatives, not the phoney kind that C4L tries to promote. I promise, the C4L people will sit out many of races in 2010.

One of the things that highlight C4L’s is that they are determined to try to change everyone’s mind into what they believe. They call it “engaging” I believe. They just keep going and going, and when the opposing party refuses to buy their ideas, and goes to great lengths to explain why, they then turn to threatening that they will not vote for any Republicans, and, that they will stay home, because those evil Republicans pushed them away. No, they don’t work well with people they don’t like, or with people who don’t agree with them 100% of the time. Sorry, the C4L’s want to take over the Republican party, and they have tried to invade it saying the GOP is the “easiest to take over”, because the “Republicans don’t want to get their hands dirty.” Thank God more rational heads are prevailing.

The best thing that could happen would be for Paul to lose his 2010 primary. Then the C4L’s would all go crawl back in their caves.

90% but still obnoxious

RoguePolitics (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 10:53AM EST (link)

I have never disputed that C4L has a big helping of that in their most prolific supporters.

As for I will take my ball and go home I have seeen plenty of “conservatives” declare that they would stay home if RP won the primary.

Was Reagan a non- interventionist when he pulled from Lebanon or when he pounded Tripoli without trying to rebuild Libya? There is a difference between aggressively defending America and nation building. Even Bush opposed nation building before he embraced it.

I agree taken to the extreme RP foriegn policy is almost as naive as Obama’s. So if dissing RP supporters means getting Obama what have we gained?

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

The Republicans will have gained

Scope (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 11:44AM EST (link)

not supporting someone who is as dangerous as Obama, but with an R after his name.

 

Declaring that "they will stay home if RP wins the nomination"

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 12:44PM EST (link)

is the biggest strawman argument I’ve ever seen. You might as well have said that people would stay home if the Republicans nominated war hero John Kerry, who has about as much chance of getting the Republican nomination as Ron Paul does.

Reagan pulling out of Lebanon was a HUGE mistake. Between that and talking the Israelis into not killing the PLO down to the last man when they had them bottled up in Beruit were the biggest mistakes of his Presidency. The middle east would be a better place if we’d killed most of Hamas/Hezbollah and all of the PLO in the mid 80′s.

RP foreign policy isn’t naive when taken to it’s extreme. It’s both dangerous and utterly stupid on it’s face.

They have said it and it was unnecessary since he couldn't win the nomination

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:09AM EST (link)

Putting American Servicemen in Bluehelmet straight jackets is always a bad idea.
Better to be out of the UN. Why do we fund the Dictator’s Debate Club?

As for encouraging Isreal to leave the PLO alone I don’t recall that but if he did it was a mistake. Isreal should be left to Isreal’s choices on matters of defense. We can support them however is practicable. I am tired of watching Isreal be encouraged to exercise restraint in the face of evil.

Non-intervention was the policy of both Washington and Jefferson. Neither carried it to the extreme RP has. Therefore it must be assumed that non-intervention is not restricted to RP’s interpretation.
For example it is hard to imagine Washington responding to 9/11 with Letters of Marque and Reprisal. They may well have been part of Washington’s response but it would have been a minor part.
Merely labeling non-interventionism as “extreme” paints the best Presidents in history as extremists.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Ron Paul is no more a "non-interventionist"

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:35AM EST (link)

than George Tiller was a “doctor”. Ron Paul is a fringe moonbat on the order of Lyndon LaRouche and David Duke. You and the rest of his acolytes run around trying to take over the language and re-define terms to suit Ron’s latest attempt to shove his foot in his mouth while his head is firmly entrenched in his nether regions.

The objective evidence that you personally are totally removed from any sense of reality is that you would wage in here and make any attempt to defend this vile SoB given the statements he’s made on the embedded video. In point of fact, anybody who panders to conspiracy theories like Paul does has totally discredited himself and deserves to be ignored any time he opens his foul mouth. I’ve often noted – typically when the NYT gets a story right – that even a broken clock is right twice a day. That adage does not apply to Ron Paul, he’s an analog clock with no hands.

You’ve been running around this particular diary spouting utter stupidity since it hit. I have a hard time imagining that you could possibly make a comment anywhere and be taken seriously as you’ve done a fine job of establishing that you have no sense of reality and no cognitive reasoning ability. You make the perfect case as to why Ron Paul’s “supporters” should be utterly shunned.

You are putting words in my mouth

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:44AM EST (link)

I’ve never said he was great. He is just a guy right on some things wrong on others.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Hmm, I think your words seem to match up with RP very well

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:49AM EST (link)

That and you first loving of RP seems to come off strong here. BTW, where has he seemed to be right?

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

He is right on ending the FED and the income tax

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:01PM EST (link)

He is generally wrong on foreign policy.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Sorry, it looks like he only right on one thing

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:19PM EST (link)

the Income tax but personally I consider him late to the party. The moron his a waste of congressman and I hope that he get tossed out or redistricted out. I hate being so close to his district. I have a sane congressman.

Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter

Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

With him in the race at least the subject got brought up.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 1:06PM EST (link)

Even if you only like that one thing. Which other politician mentioned it?

But slash and burn discrediting means apparently if you support anything he said you’re a moonbat or whatever.

And the statists stuff that genie back in the box for a while.

What would have been wrong with A LOT of conservatives standing up and saying, “Hey I don’t support Paul as a candidate but I do support repealing the 16th.”?

Instead everything Paul supports is bad because he supports it.

When did Snowe or Collins ever have even one good idea?

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

1 Good Idea

belcatar (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 9:56PM EST (link)

I live in Maine, and I’ll tell you one good idea that Snowe and Collins had. They pushed through a program that gets Tractor-Trailers off the residential roads and onto the highway. Now they’re not going past my house at 4:30 in the morning.

But otherwise, I really don’t see the appeal of those two.

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRgh rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr nt

RoguePolitics (Diary) Sunday, February 28th at 1:58AM EST (link)

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 
 
 
 
 

In addition I never said you should support him

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:49AM EST (link)

I said it is pointless and counterproductive to antagonize and alienate his followers who on balance are far more likely to vote Republican than Democrat.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Nobody said we should "antagonize and alienate his followers".

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:59AM EST (link)

What has been said, repeatedly, is that they should be isolated and shunned. They are pall and a shame on the party and they should never EVER be given a seat at the table and their views on anything and for any reason should never be addressed.

The most apt comparison would be that of children becoming liberal democrats and growing up to be conservatives. Obviously some never grow up. We don’t give them a seat at the table either and we point and laugh at Maxine Waters. Our only response to Ron Paul should be to point and laugh and make exactly the same comments about his rants – ON ANY SUBJECT – that do with Waters. And his followers should be treated with same level of disdain that hers are.

You can say what you like

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:09PM EST (link)

The entire purpose of your diary was to pick a fight with his supporters.
No RP people showed up that I am aware of.
You were not responding to a flood of RP people. You called them out by name for the purpose of belittling them. You were having a slow day or something and figured this was an easy way to get a lot of recco’s.

Congratulations you made it to the top.

Like them or not his supporters VOTE REPUBLICAN when you are not sending them home.

Even Neil noted somewhere in here that before Paul ran for President he voted right in congress on almost every issue.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Oh, so now you're a mind reader.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:23PM EST (link)

No, “The entire purpose of your diary was to pick a fight with his supporters.” That would not be the reason I wrote this diary.

And, for the record, I don’t put up diaries to either attract or pick fights with Ron Paul supporters. Frankly I really don’t give a rip about them – and you’re one of them so you can include yourself in this – because they are nothing more than deluded fools who are incapable of either rational thought or cogent argument.

Again, for the record, I put this up to once again demonstrate what a complete fool Ron Paul is as a reminder to the thinking members of the community. It’s always a good idea to be reminded that the fellow travelers in our midst – and Ron Paul is all of that – are still among us and worthy of derision and why they should be shunned and rejected. I also don’t write for Recommendations. I write about stuff that appears interesting and is “important” at the moment. If it attracts comments, great. If it attracts Recommendations, fine. If I were forced to choose between the two I would take comments since this is a discussion forum.

I don’t write to attract fools but some, as your presence aptly proves, show up.

If he supporters vote Republican that’s fine. But there is no reason to entertain anything they say or give them anything that even remotely looks like respect or a seat at the table.

You can say what you like this was an ego stroke.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 12:52PM EST (link)

probably done in a closet with a copy of The Weekly Standard.

Show one place where I said I voted for RP or encouraged you too.

I have consistently said stop pissing off people who generally vote Republican.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 
 
 

Who Antogonizes and Alienates?

jwebb (Diary) Sunday, February 28th at 8:15AM EST (link)

Why, the Ronulans do, that’s who. This is the biggest group of “my way or the highway” folks on the right side of the political spectrum. I know, I’ve seen them in action since I live here in CD14.

If you haven’t dealt with them personally, you have no idea how silly your statement is.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

It depends on the actions of the 5%

JSobieski (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 11:08AM EST (link)

If the 5% spend just as much time attacking “unpure” Republicans as they do outright socialists, then the 5% need to be confronted.

If the 5% risk discrediting the movement as a whole, then the 5% need to be confronted.

William F. Buckley took on the Birch Society in his day. Ron Paul is analogous, although his supporters are not (at least not all of them).

If you think that there is no difference between Fred Thompson and Barack Obama, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

If you buy into Ron Paul’s vision of foreign policy, you are a naive fool.

References above to “you” refer generically to a subset of Ron Paul supporters who know who they are.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

JSobieski- Have you ever heard

Scope (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 11:53AM EST (link)

Paul or his supporters say anything good or positive about America? They can’t, it would go against their belief that America has brought on, and, created all of it’s own problems. In that respect, they are closer to Obama than to any Republican. In many respects they are closer to the Progressives than they are to the republicans, or the authentic conservatives.

Yes I have.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:40AM EST (link)

The 10-term congressman went on to say that even though ‘our traditions are great, our problems are great because we have lost our belief and confidence in those traditions… I believe we are at a point now where we have undermined all those benefits’.
and
He, however, concluded that it is not too late. “If we do the right thing, we can be very optimistic about the outcome… and standing together we can revive all the greatness of America.” Ron Paul
from http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=42380&sectionid=3510203

I am not really going to go down the Ron Paul is uber awesome route. If you have read much of what he has to say you would see that he thinks America was great from it’s inception but that it is now far down the wrong road.
He is a man. He is wrong on a lot of things. But he is not wrong about our current path. We are on the wrong road.

As far as America creating it’s own problems, internally we have. Americans are responsible for the massive growth of government and the massive debt about to eat our children’s lunch. We allowed the creation and propagation of a failed educational model. Funded and controlled by the same people building the leviathan our children are being trained to disdain everything that made this country great.

Will Durant observed, “A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has first destroyed itself from within. The essential cause of Rome’s decline lay in her people and her morals.”

Afganistan or Iraq, both necessary, never actually threatened the survival of American. Even the USSR was a limited threat.

But our survival is truly threatened. The deficits both fiscal and moral will bury us barring some unique event. America itself is a unique event so we may avoid the fate of every great nation to have ever existed.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 
 
 
 
 

They both have a similar support base:

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:55PM EST (link)

Loony Democrats, conspiracy theorists, and white supremacists.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 

This is a fine specimen

MNConservative (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 6:28PM EST (link)

of mbecker doing what mbecker does best. Call people names, silence other views, and call people names some more for good measure. No analysis. No reasoned debate.

I’ve read that diaries should have some analysis, and not be just a link to a news story. Since when does abuse pass for reasoned analysis?

One’s opinion of the subject matter aside, is this the sort of diary that is worthy of RedState? I think the readers of RedState deserve better.

If you'll look...

discerningconservative (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 6:33PM EST (link)

at the recommended diaries list, you will notice this is the 3rd most recommended diary. I think that should prove that this diary is absolutely worthy of RedState.

 

You gotta watch close to see which "War Buzzard"

nessa (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:18PM EST (link)

is ripping your eyeball out. The one from Alaska or the one from Arizona. Their plumage is similar. LMAO.

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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teh twitter

nessa- You definately win the prize

Scope (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 12:35PM EST (link)

Most here say that others with funnies owe them a new keyboard. I won’t ask for a replacement pair of drawers, because I just peed myself laughing so hard.

“War Buzzards, with similar plumage, ripping your eyeballs out.” If there was ever a contest of the funniest thing ever said on Redstate, I nominate your comment.

 
 

Didn't watch the video huh MNC?

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 10:27PM EST (link)

And if you want reasoned debate from me on this subject Google me at RS and Paul. There’s probably 50,000 words on policy, positions, issues, competence and accomplishments by this fool during the 2008 primaries.

 
 

A "paultard"

jasonlibertarian Thursday, February 25th at 7:06PM EST (link)

Wow. There’s a lot of hatred here for Ron Paul. The only man in Washington who follows the Constitution should draw more support from conservatives, one would think. People who agree with him, like myself, are called all kinds of things. I guess the Constitution really is dead.

We also call them Ronulans, since they don't live on this planet. nt

Achance (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 7:13PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 

It is not the Consitution that we don't support

Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 8:44PM EST (link)

We don’t support people, that will cite the constitution, then use those cites as well a a couple of conspiracy thories to take a dump in the mouths of conservatives over and over again, when conservatives for the most part are in 80 to 90% agreement with him. If he would do a better job focusing fire at fat idiots like Barney Frank first instead of throwing his fire at the Reagan’s and Bushes throughout history, he would be tolerable. Hell even Kucinich doesn’t throw bombs at people that are moderate to him like Obama, Pelosi, etc.

First step in any war is to destroy the enemy that you can see, then after you have done that, you hang the traitors. It does seem that Paul and his supporters want to hang the traitors first, but by the time they are done with that, the enemy which is progressivism, are already storming the gate and there is nothing that can be done to stop them.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

the bushes

jasonlibertarian Thursday, February 25th at 9:05PM EST (link)

We’re agreed the enemy is progressivism. But so is big government conservatism. Its easy to ridicule the Barney Franks of the world. But if we’re going to excuse and/or turn a blind eye to past Republican excess, how does that make us any different than the progressives?

I agree that Paul and his supporters can be in your face and sometimes obnoxious, but maybe this has something to do with being called every name in the book the last few years and marginalized at every turn.

The right would be foolish to dismiss Ron Paul and his supporters. What other conservative has huge turnouts, especially from the young people?

And I am not saying turn a blind eye to

Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:12PM EST (link)

The progressive republicans, and no one here from what I have read is saying that. This site has been the catalyst for things like Rubio over Crist, Toomey over Specter.

What I tend to see more and more from Ron Paul and his supporters is a do things my way, or I am going to take my ball and make sure that I destroy you, instead of working with the 80 – 90% that can be agreed to, and then once we destroy the progressives in the different uniforms storming the gate, then we can hang the traitors.

I am far from a big fan of the McCains, Romneys, Huckabees, etc. But I know for damn sure that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, etc are the enemy that need to be defeated first.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

 
 
 

ronulans

jasonlibertarian Thursday, February 25th at 9:07PM EST (link)

Believing in constitutional government is considered bizarre and out of this world. You’re right.

 

G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:09PM EST (link)

The Constitution lives. Your account does not.

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Sorry,

Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:13PM EST (link)

I thought I could actually have an intelligent conversation, but after looking at some posts after mine, I was wrong.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

Happens to the best of us (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:47PM EST (link)

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Leopard - and Rogue take note - you approached

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, February 25th at 9:58PM EST (link)

this very typical Ronulan in good faith, made an honest argument and got pissed on by a fool.

This is the prime example of why we should not tolerate these fools. They are incapable of rational argument or civil behavior.

Very true

Leopard1996 (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 10:32AM EST (link)

One thing I would have also liked to note to this jackass, is that for all the libertarian leanings that I have, that even me and you have disagreements on, it doesn’t matter when a missle or an airplane is getting shoved up our asses by a foreign enemy or terrorist.

I was just reading an excerpt from Hannity’s last book, “Deliver us from Evil”, and just thought, “It would be nice to live in a truly libertarian society, back during the Reagan era, but that would have all gone away by the flash of a Soviet nuke or the Soviets controlling so much of the world, that we would have died a slow death of starvation”.

As I have said somewhere else, I an not sure if it is naivete, or complicity as far as sabotaging the GOP for their purity, but neither is excusable, when the enemy of progressivism is storming the gates.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

 
 
 
 

Libertarians have no right

ssshannon1026 (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:04AM EST (link)

to claim they support the constitution to any greater extetnt than does anyone else. Neither the constitution, nor the declaration of independence, are libertarian documents, and were never intended to be by those who wrote them.

incorrect

kyle8 (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:27AM EST (link)

In some cases libertarians are indeed much closer to the original intent of the constitution, especially in the areas of eminent domain,
separation of powers, and the right to be left alone.

I am just not sure if that includes Ronulans.

Libertarians have always strayed into the territory of conspiracy and are usually always purists who want to attack any one who is not as pure as they are. In Short, they tend to be fanatics, That is why I don’t call myself a libertarian.

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Difference between big "L" and little "l"

randy streu (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:46AM EST (link)

I’m a libertarian who votes Republican. I’m a libertarian in the ideological sense — NOT in the political sense. There’s a huge difference between the two. Political Libertarians are the ones who tend toward conspiracy theory moonbattery.

5 and ditto nt

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 9:48PM EST (link)

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Precisely,

ssshannon1026 (Diary) Sunday, February 28th at 4:56PM EST (link)

Being libertarian is in the finest of American social traditions. Live and let live, and all that. But the Libertarian political agenda owes too great a debt to the progressvies for constitutional purposes to be considered anything other than part and parcel of the same basic effort to radicalize American society.

 
 

But there is no

ssshannon1026 (Diary) Sunday, February 28th at 10:40AM EST (link)

‘right to be left alone’ in the constitution. Thats merely another example of Libertarians discoverying meaning in the constitution in precisely the same way that progressives do.

uh, no. not correct.

randy streu (Diary) Sunday, February 28th at 5:08PM EST (link)

The right to be left alone is implied.

This is exactly why certain founders were reluctant to include a “bill of rights.” They feared that, by enumerating CERTAIN limitations of government, future governments would infer that everything not listed was fair game.

But if you look at what the Constitution allows the government (because that’s what it is, really… a list of responsibilities and limitations on government) and what it forbids it, the right to “be left alone” is very much included in the Constitution.

Sorry,but thats just Libertarian nonsense

ssshannon1026 (Diary) Sunday, February 28th at 10:41PM EST (link)

Much the same kind of revisionism that progressives use to advance their own agenda. Yes, certainly, unenermerated rigths were a concern to the founders. But those were intended to be left to the states and to the people to work out among themselves – and not given phoney constitutional legitimacy by suddenly discovering them in the constitution at some later date. The 4th amendment certainly gives us protection in our property and possessions from unwarrented government intrusion, but that is about the only thing the constitution actually has to say on the subject. If there was always a constitutional right to be ‘left alone’ why did earlier generations of Americans go to such tremendous extremes to find solitude on the frontier? Like privacy, the onus of being ‘left alone’ is yours to secure for yourself, it isn’t a right that anyone else has to respect. I’m pretty sure that if I come knock on your door to ask for a cup of sugar, it won’t ever be elevated to a case heard by the supreme court.

Ohhhhh.......that's the problem. You don't get it.

randy streu (Diary) Monday, March 1st at 4:26AM EST (link)

When we refer to the “right to be left alone” we are talking specifically about the government.

Not other people.

Get it?

 
 
 
 
 

5 (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 1st at 4:29AM EST (link)

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Take a day off and look what happens

jwebb (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 5:30PM EST (link)

I guess I can kick around the embers of this thread and see if there’s any life left in it. Besides, 109 comments just didn’t seem like enough.

Many of you know that I live in CD-14, in the heart of the Ronulan beast and couldn’t be any more unhappy about it. I can credit Ronald Reagan with getting me really intersted in politics, but I can credit Ron Paul with getting me really involved. So involved that I became a Precinct Chair even before ColdWarrior instructed me to. Now I have a Ronulan running against me for this magnificent unpaid position. A guy who can’t even come to our regular meetings and doesn’t volunteer to do jack And now I have to spend 100s of dollars campaigning for my silly little job. They also are running against about 65% of the existing chairs. That is brilliant, because now those of us that competently run elections cannot participate since we’re on the ballot. None of these Ronulans volunteer to work elections either. In fact, after the Lincoln Reagan dinner we had the other night, some of us stayed behind to clean up. Not only did no Ronulans hang around, they couldn’t even bus their own table. Arrogance with a dose of entitlement pretty much describes them all.

The Ronulan contender running for the county chair has already proclaimed that when he wins, he won’t listen to the state party, nor the elections office. Brilliant, huh?

We have three good guys running against Paul. They are Tim Graney, Gerald Wall, and John Gay. I have been working hard for Graney and fully expect a run-off – the only question being whether or not Ron Paul is part of it.

Provided we get a run-off challenger to Ron Paul, I would beg the RedState community to support any contender and retire Ron Paul ASAP.

P.s., if any of the Ronulan commenters or lurkers survived Neil and MBecker, please volunteer to adopt Ron Paul and take him home to your district. We are sick and tired of him.

jwebb, you have my sympathy.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, February 26th at 6:03PM EST (link)

And you’ve been around long enough to know you’re the first person I’ve said that to.

Thanks for your service to the Party and to the people of your district. Keep figting the good fight. Ron Paul is like Obama Progressivism, it’s “many headed” and we just have to keep chopping.

 

Well done, I'm don't like being in a District so close to the source Ronulan power

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 11:24AM EST (link)

You know, The 2nd Congressional District of Texas. It bad enough that his district borders mine and I’m fully supportive of anyone that beats him on March 2 or takes him to a Runoff on April 13(and if it still deadlocked, let the best person cast lots[cards,domino's,or dice]). I’m wondering how the Early voting numbers are in Brazoria and Fort Bend Counties(2 of the large population counties in the District).

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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

I hope after March 2nd, we'll need that support

jwebb (Diary) Sunday, February 28th at 8:31AM EST (link)

Richard, I think the odds of a run-off are pretty high despite the Ronulan spokesperson saying “victory is a foregone conclusion” in this Politico article yesterday.

And, mbecker, thanks so much for the sympathy, and thanks so much for this diary as it always helps clean the house.

But what will really be needed beginning March 3rd, Lord willing, is financial support for the contender that comes out with enough votes to contest Paul in a run-off. Should that become a reality, we will need the support of the RedState army.

 
 
 

I supported Ron Paul

belcatar (Diary) Saturday, February 27th at 9:50PM EST (link)

I admit, I did support Ron Paul. I agree with his small-government message. I never bought into ridiculous conspiracy theories, because I think conspiracies are dumb. If you get three people together, they won’t even be able to decide where to go for lunch, so a conspiracy involving hundreds or thousand of people is just plain loony. My introduction to party politics was also an introduction to loony conspiracy theories involving people named Rockefeller. Apparently, those Rockefellers have more money than the National Debt, and we’re all living under their Shadow Bank King. It’s like Lord of the Rings, only without the exciting parts.

I am very skeptical of the effectiveness of political parties, because in my experience, people tend to place the most importance on the thing closest to themselves. For most people, the party is closer to them than the nation as a whole, and therefore you end up with nitwits who are more concerned with serving the party than they are with serving their constituents.

If I had to pick someone I’d like to see become President, it wouldn’t be Ron Paul. I’d like to see Jim DeMint get elected President. That guy seems like he has the right idea.