Damn you John McCain.


Just freaking disappear you senile old fart.

From today’s New York Times.

Wading into the debate on a national health care plan, Senator John McCain said on Sunday that one way for Democrats and Republicans to reach a compromise would be for President Obama to abandon a government-run insurance program for the nation’s 49 million uninsured.

OK, so you refused to put up a fight for the Presidency and gave it to Barry when it might well have been winnable. You don’t have a clue about the First Amendment. You support Constitutional Rights for terrorists. And now, when the real folks have Barry on the ropes you want to compromise!!!!!!!!

And John, about the GD “49 million”, about 10MM of those are your precious illegal aliens and 24MM live in households that have income greater than $50,000 (7MM over $75K). You can get educated here.

And, before my head explodes, if there was ever any doubt that John McCain is a damned fool…

Senator McCain said President Obama is as much to blame as Republicans for the paralysis on health care legislation because “the president has not come forward with a plan of his own.” He lamented the absence of the Senator Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat who is ailing with brain cancer, from the Congressional debate. Senator Kennedy, he said, has had “a unique way” of getting Senators “sitting down at the table and making the right concessions.”

Just when the hell did Kennedy ever “concede” anything?

Senator McCain I am utterly ashamed that the people of my state keep reelecting you to serve the people who commute to Washington DC. You are up for reelection this coming year and you’ll probably win, but you’ll certainly do it without my vote in either the primary or the general election. Oh, and your daughter is an idiot.



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We will be so much better off after his retirement.

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 5:25PM EST (link)

He’s been there waaaayyy too long. I really think his cognitive abilities are waning.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

The problem is that the sob will be Senator

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 5:30PM EST (link)

as long as he wants to be. And don’t be surprised if he doesn’t start grooming his totally blonde daughter for the job. Fortunately, she will get her cute little ass kicked all the way to California.

He's Up In 2010 - What's Being Done To Beat Him...

IJB Sunday, August 23rd at 6:26PM EST (link)

…In the primary?

And, “nothing” is not an acceptable answer.

The message that needs to be sent in 2010 is not just defeating ‘Blue Dog’ and moderate Democrats from swing districts – it’s beating ossified ‘Go along to get along’ Republicans like Crist and McCain in primaries.

He is not beatable in '10.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:38PM EST (link)

There is no Democrat with statewide name rec who can touch him. Therefore he can spend $10MM on the primary against any opponent and there is no one with either name rec or $$ to run against him.

He’s not going to get caught with his hand in the till, he’s not sleeping around and voters don’t seem to punish “stupid” anywhere – see L Graham.

The really unfortunate part is that his mom is pushing 100 and still in pretty good health so he could be around for freaking ever.

Sorry.

Saying What You're Saying Makes It a Self-Fulfilling Prophesy (nt)

IJB Sunday, August 23rd at 9:48PM EST (link)

No it doesn't. Conservatives will work against McCain.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 10:10PM EST (link)

See Cold Warrior’s comment below.

But “reality” is a real bitch. There isn’t a Republican with the name recognition or the money to beat the SoB. Or a Democrat for that matter.

I don’t know where you live, but since you seem sold on the idea that McCain can be taken out, who are you zapping in your state?

I Think My Point Is...

IJB Sunday, August 23rd at 11:15PM EST (link)

…Saying it’s a “long-shot” is one thing.
But saying it’s “impossible” or a “done deal” is another, and unhelpful at that.

Personally, I think that taking Boxer in CA out is going to be a long-shot as well. But I don’t think it’s impossible. And I certainly would never *say* it’s “impossible”.

Neither you or I know the dynamics come next year – it’s theoretically possible that an underfunded challenger could actually take out someone like McCain simply based on grass-roots rage alone.

It's possible

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:23PM EST (link)

But only in a “Hail Mary” pass kind of way. In reality, there’s a next-to-0% chance that McCain loses. Pretty much, the primary challenger would have to win big in Phoenix and, to a lesser extent, Flagstaff (the more conservative of the 3-5 main cities in AZ), and at least break even in cities like Tucson (which basically exists for both the University and Raytheon), and win HUGE in rural areas. Winning big in rural areas would be plausible, but winning in Tucson?! Never going to happen, for the reason that most Republicans there are basically less obnoxious ideological clones of McCain.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Raw numbers...

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:55PM EST (link)

Total population estimated at 6.5MM.

Metro Phoenix… 3.5MM – purple
Metro Tucson… 0.75MM – deep blue

I17N Corridor (Phx to Flagstaff)… 0.25MM – spots of deep blue and spots of deep red

Rest of the state… 2.0MM actually more libertarian than anything else.

Note that Flagstaff is the third largest population area in the state and has less than 100M people.

Flagstaff is also not even close to being

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 1:53PM EST (link)

conservative in nature.

Arizona is a weird state. It’s hard to figure how any Republicans get elected, but they do. Yet, the ‘Pubs tear each other apart for parochial turf reasons.

I’ve only been observing it for 9 years, so my read could be way off. Other longer resident Arizonians could probably correct me.

If we have any chance at all to defeat McCain in the primaries, we (opposition) need to settle quickly on a single challenger and support him/her. Dislike of McCain may be growing strong enough to overcome the financial advantage he will have.

I agree with 908, though, that there are few names in the conservative Republican camp that would be recognized by the general public. The only one, Dean Martin, is the current state Treasurer who has announced that he’ll consider running for Governor. The fact that nobody has annouced anything against McCain indicates that the viable contenders agree with 908, too.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

Actually Flag, I like the idea of Dean Martin running

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 10:45PM EST (link)

for Governor against Brewer, who is nothing more than Crist-in-Drag.

 
 

Whoops.

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 1:54PM EST (link)

Meant to respond to aesthete.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

True

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 3:15PM EST (link)

One of my friends from there is pretty much of the opinion that Flagstaff’s Republicans are Republican just because Reps have had such a good track record on NASA funding :) (For all of you not from AZ, Flagstaff is huge on astronomy, and there have been a couple of protests protesting Pluto’s non-planet status) Still, there are a lot of 2nd Amendment folks up there, if I understand correctly, and it’s surely more conservative than Tucson!

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 

Apples and hippos.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:32PM EST (link)

Not even close to the same thing.

You actually have a potential candidate for Boxer’s job who can put up her own money, and lots of it.

If it makes you feel better, either of the two guys whose names escape me at the moment beating McCain is a long shot.

As far as “grass-roots rage”, there pretty much isn’t any. Arizona is NOT a “red” state. Too many people have moved here from the west and from Chicago and MN. We are pretty purple at best. Tucson is just a tad to the right of San Francisco and most of Maricopa County (Phx) is pretty moderate. We elected Janet N to two terms as Gov, and she never really came under much of any heat while she was in office. As a matter of fact, she’s probably the only person alive who could beat McCain. She’s very well known, not particularly disliked for what she did in AZ except by people who crawl through glass to vote “R” and she would be VERY well funded.

Eh, Tucson's not quite as bad as SanFran

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:46PM EST (link)

The techies, engineers, and Davis-Monthan base keep it from being *that* bad. Still, pretty much everything else is on point.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Like I said, "a tad to the right of..." nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:56PM EST (link)

I Lived in Tucson about 20 Years Ago

JX12 (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:02AM EST (link)

In fact, I was stationed at Davis-Monthan at the time. I’m with mbecker on this one. Tucson is – by far and away – the furthest left politically of any of the major population centers in Arizona.

When I lived there, the city council was 100% Democrat, except for one brief term when there was a lone token Republican who was promptly defeated at the next election. The mayor was, of course, a Democrat. If I remember correctly, the population in general was 2 to 1 (or was it 3 to 1?) Democrat. Tucson is home to the University of Arizona, the administration and faculty of which seemed particularly left wing, even as universities go.

The people stationed at Davis-Monthan were (and, I suspect, still are) the exceptions to the rule, but many of them (me included) kept their home state residencies, and therefore did not vote in Arizona elections.

McCain was a U.S. Senator even then. The senior senator from AZ at the time was Dennis DeConcini – a Democrat – who may very well have been more conservative than McCain is now.

 
 
 

If There's No "Grass Roots Rage in AZ"...

IJB Monday, August 24th at 2:20PM EST (link)

…Then how come at least 3 of the current Dem congressmen/women from AZ are ‘on the run’, and ducking town halls.

If what you were implying was true, those guys wouldn’t be sweating it right now…

Simple. They are first or two term Critters

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:13PM EST (link)

who are vulnerable because they aren’t permanent members of the “establishment”. McCain IS the establishment. If he held a town hall he’d get skewered too, but it wouldn’t affect his reelection.

What part of “there is NO credible candidate to run against him” don’t you get?? We’ve got two announced candidates. One has limited – and very negative – name recognition, the other may be known to his family. Neither have two cents to their names. Neither have held any office, anywhere or at any time. Neither is particularly accompllished, at least in terms that would translate into a decent resume for a Senate candidate. Neither has the ability to raise significant funds to mount a credible challenge to McCain.

McCain has huge name recognition, is the incumbent and has more money than God and no Democratic opponent worth discussing in the general election. Add to that the fact that Arizona is NOT the “red” state that outsiders seem think it is and you’ve got a situation where the guy is fundamentally unbeatable.

Chris Simcox and Jim Deakin are the two.

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 2:05PM EST (link)

I had to dig to find those two names. Simcox is Minuteman founder; Deakin is one of us–relatively poor and unknown.

McCain is getting ready for a TV Town Hall in Sun City at this very moment.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

McCain is making me gag.

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 2:29PM EST (link)

He’s still trying to blame “special interests” for all of our problems.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

If special interests include -

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 2:36PM EST (link)

If special interests include –
ACORN, CPUSA, SEIU then he is right!!!

When McCain says “special interests” who or what is he talking about?

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

In this case, I think he meant insurance companies. nt

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 6:08PM EST (link)

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

If McCain meant insurance companies

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 6:09PM EST (link)

Then he is futher gone then I thought he was!!!

Doctors ready to ‘just say no’
Majority won’t accept new patients under government plan

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/25/doctors-ready-to-just-say-no/?source=newsletter_opinion_headlines

President Obama has said over and over that if you like your doctor you’ll be able to keep your doctor. This is patently false. If a physician opts not to sign on to a government-run option, and the government-run plan is what you’re stuck with, you will lose your doctor. It’s as simple and as terrible as that.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

At this point,

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 6:19PM EST (link)

it’s hard to remember exactly who he meant, but it wasn’t rational.

Whatever, it was left over from his failed campaign.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 
 

Re: When McCain says “special interests” who or what is he talking about?

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 1:58PM EST (link)

Whoever is putting money into paid lobbying efforts that aren’t benefiting him. It’s been his meme ever since he was sacrificed to get the Keating (sp?) 5 conviction during the S&L collapse.

Unfortunately, Becker as usual is right on all the points:

*Republicans would be better off if he sat down and STFU
*McCain owns most of the Republican nominating apparatus in AZ
*California is exporting the idiots and AZ has suffered greatly as a result

The Big 0 is on the ropes, best to let him fail. Nothing is better than the bulk of the House proposal, or anything being discussed in the Senate. There is no WH plan, so that’s a non-starter, and news reporters ought to call him on it. Except they aren’t reporters or investigators anymore, they are his cheerleading squad (meaning no disrespect to actual cheerleaders who acknowledge they are cheerleaders).

 
 

McCain just made me gag, too.

ColdWarrior (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 2:42PM EST (link)

I think I may have to go to his townhall this evening. I’d rather spend time with my kids, but I guess I should go.

There he was, JOKING about “Cash for Clunkers.” A program for which he could have stopped the reauthorization of before the recess. Which he did not have the courage to do.

If I go tonight my question to him will be along these lines.

“Sen. McCain, I watched you crack a joke about ‘Cash for Clunkers’ earlier today. Before the recess, you, and any other single Republican senator, could have stopped the $2 B of wasteful spending added to it before the recess. The bill’s unconstitutional. Now our kids have another $2 B of debt added to their tab. Why didn’t you have the courage and leadership to stop that unconstitutional $2 B of spending. You could have used that opportunity to explain to the American people how awful this idiotic program, destroying perfectly good cars. And, could you please stop cracking jokes about such things and get serious about your leadership role?”

Now a lady just asked “How. What do we do?” Not one word about coming into the Party as an active PC.

It’s the dirty little secret the moderates don’t want us to know about.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

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Dan, was this an additional appropriation,

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 6:12PM EST (link)

or was it “just” moving some more of the stimulus money to cash for clunkers, and therefore not additional spending?

Although I’m on record as being against C4C, if the money is going to be spent, at least it went directly to the benefit of individuals, and only indirectly to foreign manufacturers.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

Flagstaff, as I understand it, this was an additional appropriation

ColdWarrior (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 4:04AM EST (link)

I read many articles about this at the time — any single senator could have stopped the additional spending before the recess via a senate parliamentary procedure rule. Yet not one Republican did so. Not one. Not Coburn. Not DeMint. That move would have effectively stopped the Cash for Clunkers program in its tracks before they left on recess, shelving any action until they came back. Buying time for a backlash against it.

The program was stupid, stupid, stupid. And unconstitutional. Yet our “leaders” can’t seem to do anything but shrug their shoulders about its inevitability and then joke about it. Pathetic.

Thank you.

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PS.

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 6:21PM EST (link)

Do you have an email contact for me? Write me if you wish to (see my profile).

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Don't forget Mark Kirk...nt

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 12:52PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

There's him or a democrat - those are our AZ choices

kaym1246 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 3:55AM EST (link)

usually there’s also a libertarian so I choose that option but unless the man moves out of state, we’re stuck with him.

his primary opponent has questions attached to his handling of money given to the minute men organization so that will be a nonstarter for this guy’s campaign.

thus we’re left with ‘maverick’ john and his daughter, meghan mccain, on The View.

If Arizona had an actual challenger to him that was conservative, he’d have to shut up. ANYONE OUT THERE?

What happened to RICHARD M. ROMLEY? JD Hayworth?

Maybe we can trick McCain

kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 2:24PM EST (link)

into jumping into Teddy’s casket when the old reprobate gets buried.

After all, getting reamed by Kennedy was his usual position in the Senate.

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McCain has a bad habit of doing this sort of thing.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 5:38PM EST (link)

Every time he does something to make me think I actually like him, he comes up with a “maverick” statement like this and screws us all.

Yes, we will be better off when he retires.

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You said it.

Steph C (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 5:50PM EST (link)

And at the risk of bringing Becker’s wrath down on my head ;-) , the only thing that made voting for him bearable was Palin.

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She's the only reason I voted for him.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 5:58PM EST (link)

I don’t “dislike” Palin at all.

I do think she’s waaaaaaaaaay overrated at this point in time, I find no reason to excuse her from resigning as Gov, and I think she’s way light on the “accomplishment” thingy.

OTOH, she’s a great stump speaker, does a great job at rallying the base and should be able to raise money.

She’ll be a player in ’12 if she wants to be.

My “problem” isn’t with Palin. It’s with Gary and Josh Painter and the collected ‘bots who don’t share a damned brain cell among the lot.

I thought she did a good job on the “death panels”.

Threadjack over. :-)

I can live with that.

Steph C (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:34PM EST (link)

I’m not a bot for Palin, myself and 2012 is a long way away. I’d rather concentrate on now and 2010, then worry about 2012 when the time comes to worry about it.

McCain really needs to go. He is just too needy of approval from all the wrong people.

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McCain - grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory, again

Darin_H (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:07PM EST (link)

I would call him some names, but that would only insult those people, it’d be a step up to consider him stupid or senile or mentally challenged*. The stupid or senile or mentally challenged have actually won (for their side) much more often.

*of course, ‘and’

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things could always have been worse

David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:12PM EST (link)

AND, let me take exception

David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:14PM EST (link)

Snicker. As one myself,

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:22PM EST (link)

I must say, it takes one to know one!


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Nope Dave.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:40PM EST (link)

You’re not senile. :-)

 
 

He'll get primaried.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:40PM EST (link)

But he’ll win in a walk.

 
 

5 for this alone, becker:

TNJim (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:40PM EST (link)

Just when the hell did Kennedy ever “concede” anything?

Much less “sitting down at the table and making the right concessions.” See No Child Left Behind. Yo, John, Bush got his hand slapped hard after making that concession. Be glad Ted isn’t there to make a similar one on health care. And what about the “concession” he wants MA to make concerning filling his seat?

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What in the world has John McCain done now?

penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 6:58PM EST (link)

Surprise at the diary title, not at the content. And just to be clear, I’m not criticizing the title, it just made me think” what in the world.” Of course, saying I’m appalled is an understatement. His saying “as Republicans for the paralysis” is a travesty. His desperateness for something, I don’t know what, sells us down the river so many times. How’s that Campaign Finance Reform working out…

We want to paralyze this bill. We want to bury it. I don’t know what else to say Becker, your title says it all.

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Bill Sammon just put some lipstick on the pig.

Flagstaff (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 2:09PM EST (link)

He claimed that Mac may simply know that any attempt to “start over” with a different “health care plan” would effectively kill it. This year. Thus a statesmanlike announcement that helps kill the ObamaCare plan.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

McCain will be number "51" on the reconciliation

kaym1246 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 4:00AM EST (link)
 
 

McCain believes in McCain, and he is alone.

archer52 Sunday, August 23rd at 7:14PM EST (link)

McCain is the reason we should have congressional term limits. He is still running the single wing!! Gawwwd! McCain believes that being a senator is something special, and that being that something special means he has to stumble into every argument, issue and debate to make sure we get his take. The reason he misses Kennedy and the rest is that he has gotten used to being part of that elite group where debate is nothing more than a “process” and important to democracy.

Of course, like most career politicians he doesn’t realize that he and his buddies meandering around in our lives is actually causing problems. That is the total disconnect that being in D.C. all your life causes. Our founding fathers intended the politicians to come to DC stay a term or two and then go home, secure in the knowledge they would never pass a law that hurt them or their neighbors. The minute being a politician became a career in of itself the nation was screwed.

Term limits OR minimum wage for pay. Either would make them leave after only a little while in DC, prevent long term lobbyist relationships and give all of us little guys a break from having to hear them, over and over and over, blathering along. If I hear “my friends” one more time I think my head is going to explode.

I wrote the North Vietnamese to see if they wanted him back.

I comment on it at my site

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/08/23/john-mccain-screwing-it-up-again-nobody-else-wants-him-either/

This guy is running against McCain

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 7:21PM EST (link)

I have no idea if he has a chance or not?

http://www.simcoxforsenate.com/

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

No chance at all. But I'll work for him and vote for him.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 7:53PM EST (link)

Bottom line, virtually no name rec and that he has isn’t particularly good. He won’t get two dozen votes in Tucson. Biggest problem, he won’t be anywhere near competitive in the money race and he’ll probably raise more than any other potential candidate.

Send your money to Marco or Pat Toomey. I’ll give to Simcox, but I live here.

So What About JD, then?

JX12 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 10:52PM EST (link)

If Simcox doesn’t have name recognition around here, JD Hayworth certainly does. I’ve heard from more than one person that he’s hated, although I suspect those people are flaming moderates. I personally don’t see the hate, and a lot of people were calling his radio show and begging him to run for a while, there.

At this point, my thought is, just run someone who can beat McCain in the primary already. If Simcox isn’t it, then maybe JD should step up. If he’s not it, then I’m out of ideas. But I’d really rather not resign myself to assuming we’re stuck withMcCain for another six years.

Hayworth couldn't win if he ran unopposed.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:00PM EST (link)

There are two kinds of people in Arizona. Those who hate JD for his politics and those who have no use for him because he’s a whiny little bitch. I don’t know anybody who ever wants to hear him answer questions or make outrageous statements as an elected Rep again.

He’s OK on the radio. Whiny radio people generally do OK because people can either call in and argue with them or turn them off. In point of fact, JD is a pinhead. (I’d voe for him over McCain.)

Just hope that we’re not stuck with McCain for another 12 or 18 years. His mom is pushing 100 and, frankly, is in better shape mentally than he is.

 
 
 

McCain has two conservative challengers

ColdWarrior (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 9:12PM EST (link)

The other is Jim Deakin: http://jimdeakin.com

Why will McCain very probably win in the primary?

First, if both Chris Simcox and Jim Deakin challenge McCain, it’s likely they’ll split the conservative vote and McCain will win. So, it would be great if one would drop their campaign at some point and work tirelessly for the other. Is that likely? Probably not.

But, really, the main reason McCain very probably will win is because not enough conservatives here in Arizona are actually involved in the nuts-and-bolts of the political process. One might assume that the state with a fiercely independent populace that created an oasis in a desert, and produced a conservative presidential candidate like Barry Goldwater and a fairly conservative senator like Joh Kyl, must have a really strong conservative contingent in the Party. You would be wrong.

Actually, the Party is even weaker in its percentage of filled precinct committeman slots than . The national average is fifty per cent. Arizona’s most populous county, Maricopa County, where Phoenix sits, is at one-third strength. And split right about down the middle, fifty per cent conservative and fifty per cent moderate. There are 694,000 registered Republicans in Maricopa County. And just over 6,000 PC slots. Only about 2,000 are filled (although I and others are trying to change that). And at the last county convention this spring, only 800 showed up. A conservative and a hand-picked McCain moderate ran for the county chairmanship. Thankfully, the conservative won — by FOUR votes. That day, just over 800 Republican voters determined the leadership of the county organization for the other approximately 694,000.

If four thousand conservatives in Maricopa County (I’m pretty sure among those 694,000 there are at least 4,000 conservatives) got off their duffs and away from their keyboards and volunteered a couple of hours a month to become precinct committeemen, and then helped energize the conservatives in the county and state to get behind Simcox or Deakin, we could at least have a shot at defeating McCain. Even if McCain would win, he’d at least have to deal with a Party re-energized with conservatives.

The Party needs to capture all of the conservative grass roots people going to the Tea Parties and town hall meetings. That’s what I’ve been trying to do here in Maricopa County with others and I know I’m having some success in these “target rich environments” because now as I hand out my flyer some people tell me they already got it at a prior event and they’ve already filled out the paperwork to become a PC.

At this point I don’t know which of the two, Deakin or Simcox, is the better challenger. I’ve met them both. Either would be preferable to McCain. Read their bios. Send them dollars. And no matter where you live, I believe the BEST way to help them, and yourself, and your children, is, if you are a conservative, is to become a precinct committeeman so you can help change the Party back into a conservative powerhouse rather than what it is today — running at half strength and in many states with a moderate majority in the ranks that really matter — the precinct committeeman ranks.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

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Everything Cold Warrior says is absolutely true.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 9:38PM EST (link)

But I come back the same point I’ve been hammering forever. Name rec, money and no general election challenger.

Simcox is better known than Deakin, who isn’t known on his block. Neither have $100.00. Simcox should be able to raise some out-of-state cash because he does have some name rec in immigration circles. But for every dollar he works hard for McCain will raise $1,000 and not break a sweat. Deakin, for all intents and purposes, will be self-funding. And he has no money to speak of. Add to this the fact that the Dems will not put up a credible candidate (they don’t have one), so all McCain has to do is win the primary. He could easily raise and spend $10MM on the primary and still have enough left to win the general.

I agree with CW that either would be preferable to McCain, but hell, I would vote for my ex-wife’s lawyer before I voted for McCain. I also agree about Conservatives energizing the Party. But, at the end of the day the only McCain we’ll beat is his brain-dead daughter.

"I would vote for my ex-wife’s lawyer before I voted for McCain."

ColdWarrior (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 9:46PM EST (link)

I think mbecker just came up with a pretty good campaign slogan, or at least a bumper sticker!

I do hope, if McCain wins the primary (hell, we’ve got to at least try to beat him), the Debtocrats will waste some money and time and effort trying to beat him in the general election.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

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then prepare for a democrat to win

kaym1246 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 4:08AM EST (link)

that’s our option here in AZ.

McCain or a democrat in full bloom of liberalism.

What happened to Rick Romney? The maricopa county attorney?

Oh, and its not just a few hours off our duffs to fill those precinct captain spots. Its a lot of time and effort and since republicans tend to work while democrats tend to loaf and community organize they will always have more PCs then we will. We are paying the taxes after all.

Romley?

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 8:51AM EST (link)

He’s been out of politics forever. No money, no chance of getting any. As far as JD is concerned see my comment above.

“A democrat”????????? Surely you jest. Just who has one iota of name recognition statewide AND the ability to raise tons of money? Hint… NOBODY. Janet might have been able to beat McCain in a year with no negatives for Ds. That won’t be ’10. Also, what in the world makes you think that the Ds would spend money to beat McCain? Especially now that it’s shaping up to be a real barn-burner in a whole bunch of places.

And finally, does your last paragraph have a point?

 
 
 
 

Interesting Info. Thanks! (nt)

IJB Sunday, August 23rd at 9:50PM EST (link)
 
 
 

"Senator Kennedy, has had “a unique way” of getting Senators “sitting down at the table and making the right concessions.”

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 9:52PM EST (link)

UN FRICKING BELEIVABLE !

This old jackass doesn’t have a clue. Edward Kennedy has done more than any other human being to try and turn this country into an ungovernable hell hole.

Go to hell Senator McClain, just go to hell.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

They cut off the end of his sentence

Karina (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 6:50AM EST (link)

It should read “making the right concessions for the Democrats.”

 
 

Kennedy could be a huge help here

bk (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 9:53PM EST (link)

He could set up a meeting between some Democratic and some Republican Senators. He and Patrick can shuttle the Democratic Senators to the meeting.

 

He is a traitor - through and through.

muffin Sunday, August 23rd at 10:06PM EST (link)

Oh, I guess that would apply to McCain AND Kennedy. RINO and DINO (the dinosaur.)

Grassroots will get name recognition. I’ve already started campaigning for Marco Rubio by telling everyone I see about him being a staunch conservative. I will print flyers with his website and his stance on the issues and hand them out. Start telling everyone about conservatives who could run against McCain. (Sorry I haven’t kept up with AZ politics.) Do everything you can to get name recognition for your candidate. We’ve got to get these RINO’s out of office so we can take back our country. Okay, off my soapbox for tonite.

Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer

WATCH IT on the treason accusations.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 10:13PM EST (link)

This is not actually negotiable.

Sorry. Wasn't thinking of treason. Just being upset.

muffin Sunday, August 23rd at 10:15PM EST (link)

Please forgive.

Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer

No worries. [NT]

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:00PM EST (link)
 
 

Too harsh- he's an old fashioned hero

PGDeFreese (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 10:15PM EST (link)

that expects way too much out of the current crop of Americans… especially liberal Americans.

A great American, but a poor politician (at least for us).

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Please see apology above. nt

muffin Sunday, August 23rd at 10:16PM EST (link)

Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer

Much appreciated Muffin-

PGDeFreese (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 10:19PM EST (link)

These times they are trying.

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Thou art the Great Cat, the avenger of the Gods, and the judge of words…-Inscription on the Royal Tombs at Thebes

Yes, Boo, they are.

muffin Sunday, August 23rd at 10:21PM EST (link)

I was thinking a traitor to the party, not the United States. I worded it very badly. He is definitely a war hero and should be honored for such. Thanks for forgiving.

Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer

 
 
 

I meant to say liberal politicians-

PGDeFreese (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 10:17PM EST (link)

it’s safe to say he actually thinks there will be reciprocity.

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The fact of the matter is, he's an arrogant jerk in real life

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:06PM EST (link)

(…Though who in Washington isn’t?) He deserves respect from us for his service in Vietnam. After that, though, there’s not much that he’s done that I can commend him for. An interesting note: he was originally going to run for his AZ Senate seat as a Democrat, and only ended up running as a Republican at the urging of friends who told him that it would be impossible to get elected as a Dem.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

AHA!!

TNJim (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:14PM EST (link)

So that explains it! I’d love to see a link for that interesting note, aesthete.

That explains a great many things.

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Correction:

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:31PM EST (link)

It was his candidacy for the House of Reps. I’ll see if I can dredge up a link. If I remember correctly, he wasn’t registered with either of the parties when considering a run, but gravitated a bit more towards the Dems at the time. He found out that it would be impossible to win as a Dem in his district, and subsequently ran as a Republican.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 
 

Flipping through the channels this morning, I saw McCain and Obama both at the Grand Canyon.

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 10:10PM EST (link)

Seeing two of the men I most despise in American politics standing on the edge of that great big hole in the ground, right on the edge like that……

What? Oh, I just drifted off for a bit there.

That one was over the edge, Janis.

Loren Heal (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:28PM EST (link)

So to speak.


Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

Hey, you can't blame me if a big gust of wind

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 11:32PM EST (link)

comes along, you know. Stuff happens.

 
 
 

McCain is the "Good Cop" of the GOP

clowngirl (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 2:56AM EST (link)

Y’all are making too much of that comment. McCain wasn’t suggesting caving in, he was suggesting Obama start over from scratch, sit down with the Republicans and actually incorporate their ideas. He’s not an idiot, he knows that won’t happen – but the GOP needs to present itself as willing to work with the President – that way it’s Obama who looks bad by not doing it.
In a previous interview he made it clear he saw the co-op stuff as just another form of public option and he wouldn’t support it. He was making the same points as other Republicans- just more diplomatically.

Look, if he breathed fire and constantly blasted Obama he wouldn’t get much coverage- as it is he made a lot of strong conservative points (looking at the interview as a whole) in a way that moderates, independents and (some) Democrats can listen to.

You give McLame way too much credit, clowngirl.

Achance (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 3:10AM EST (link)

He’d bend over backwards and sacrifice every principle just to have his name on the same peice of paper as a bunch of Democrats or to be able to have claimed to have worked in the spirit of bipartisanship with Comrade Obama. The man has no principles, just a desire for self-aggrandizement.

In Vino Veritas

 

Sit down and restart what?

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 8:32AM EST (link)

The betrayal of America?

Other than scrapping what federal healthcare regulations there are; what possible health care bill could the fed produce that isn’t in complete violation of the constitution?
It isn’t their business what I do for healthcare.

The only legitimate federal healthcare would be the VA. Veterans would be better off if the VA handed out vouchers for private insurance once any service injuries were taken care of. Sort of like the GI Bill for healthcare.

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Sit down and restart what?

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 8:32AM EST (link)

The betrayal of America?

Other than scrapping what federal healthcare regulations there are; what possible health care bill could the fed produce that isn’t in complete violation of the constitution?
It isn’t their business what I do for healthcare.

The only legitimate federal healthcare would be the VA. Veterans would be better off if the VA handed out vouchers for private insurance once any service injuries were taken care of. Sort of like the GI Bill for healthcare.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

There's No Danger of Bipartisanship from Obama

clowngirl (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:13AM EST (link)

I agree with you Rogue! We need less regulation and more freedom in healthcare. Along with tort reform.
These are the things Republicans would push for if Obama decided to have genuinely bipartisan discussion. Given the number of Democrats is it probable anything negotiated would be more bad than good? Probably.
But THERE IS NO DANGER OF ANY SUCH TALK. Obama has no interest in passing anything that doesn’t socialize medicine. McCain almost certainly knows that. He’s just being politic.

John Boehner is saying the same thing.

I don’t want Obama to pass any form of health reform – or any reform for that matter- I’m hoping he’ll get nothing else done till the GOP takes back Congress. I expect elected Republicans feel the same way- but they aren’t in a position to say it.

 
 
 

Does McCain get no credit for The Surge?

clowngirl (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 3:14AM EST (link)

I’m a little shocked y’all are wanting McCain to retire. Personally I like having someone in elected office who has some clue about foreign policy- and I’d be surprised if that described either of his challengers.
Is there anyone else in the House or Senate who can match McCain’s expertise on military and foreign policy issues? Even if there were Republicans equally knowledgeable there are none with the same credibility on that area. None who have quite enough influence.

We still need McCain for the sake of National Security alone.

If he supports the socialist takeover of our nation...

NightTwister (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 3:25AM EST (link)

…there won’t be anything left to fight for.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

 

The object of being a military aviator is NOT

Achance (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 3:55AM EST (link)

getting your plane shot down. He’s never been the sharpest tool in the shed and absent his name and daddy’s rank might have had a very different career.

The man is really a lot like Jon Kary. He thought that the military career was the way to move on to the political career. Kary got it wrong on timing and wound up a lefty rather than a JFK type. McCain got elected right off the bat – quickly getting rid of that inconvenient wife and finding a rich one – but needed the love of the Georgetown set. McCain has always been more interested in his personal status and in beng in the limelight than in anything else. I’d be more than happy if he and that thing he whelped went away for good and soon.

In Vino Veritas

Family and connections

PGDeFreese (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 7:54AM EST (link)

always make a difference- to say so would be foolish. It is what one does with them is the true measure of a man. John M. became a carrier pilot, a dangerous job in peacetime, and flew combat missions over the most contested ground of the era. He lost his Skyhawk, not uncommon considering the role and dangerous missions they carried out, over 350 Skyhawks were lost in Vietnam… I guess all due to being piloted by “dull tools”.

The man is only like John K in his ambition, but nothing like him in the way that he went about it. John K used his influence to leave the combat arena just as soon as it served it purpose for his career- a matter of months while John M endured years of torture despite the offer of early release because of his connections. John K made a mockery of his service to promote his career, John M honored his country and his colleagues by saying it was all worthwhile.

All this is old hat, more to be argued with a lefty than a fellow RS, but you were the one that brought this history up.You said in an earlier post he has no principles – I say his actions prove different. I cannot believe that I am here having to defend McCain- he was at the extreme bottom of my potential candidates in 2008 for many reasons and still someone I would like to see replaced by a staunch conservative- but you sir go too far.

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Thanks Boo Boo

clowngirl (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:32AM EST (link)

Very well put. It’s one thing to disagree with/oppose McCain’s politics but quite another to attack his character.

 

No one denies his actions in Vietnam.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 2:20PM EST (link)

The question is have they carried through to the present, and his actions in Congress?

Before selling us out to the British at West Point, Benedict Arnold had as patriotic, and a far more successful career than McCain. Even a series of virtuous actions from the past do not necessarily mean the continuation of virtue.

When historians look back, will they say McCain virtuously faced down one enemy in Vietnam, only to surrender to a more insidious enemy once he returned? The Big 0 may technically not be a foreign power, but are the core ideals he espouses any less dangerous to a vigorous energetic democracy than the British were back then?

Comments upthread belie your title-

PGDeFreese (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 2:41PM EST (link)

and his actions in Vietnam and his military service are the only thing I intend to defend.

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We do not need "expertise" on foreign policy from a guy

rcov092 (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:25AM EST (link)

trying to tear down the liberties \from within.

“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”

 

clowngirl you are the PosterIdiot for August.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 8:58AM EST (link)

1. McCain is, at very best, mediocre on National Security. See the Torture Amendment, Constitutional Rights for Terrorists, every statement he’s ever made on Gitmo.
2. He gets no credit for “the surge”. He wasn’t pushing for the strategy that was finally, and successfully, employed. He was pushing for Colin Powell’s “overwhelming force” schtick. He got on board with the strategy that was successful after it was developed and had nothing to do with it’s implementation. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Bupkis.
3. His expertise on military policy ends with his statement that John Kerry is his good friend and his service in Vietnam was honorable. And that the SwiftVets should shut up. My dead white cat is better on military and foreign policy than John McCain.
4. With respect to your upthread turd, McCain has no history of “renegotiating” and getting a conservative outcome. His history is 100% replete with giving the farm away. See G14 for starters.

I would MUCH rather have Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins as my Senator. They have done virtually no damage to the country or the party over their terms in office. McCain has done his level best to undermine the party and act in far less than the best interests of the US every time he had a choice.

Be respectful or be banned?

clowngirl (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:05PM EST (link)

Becker, (whoever you are)

The view I expressed ( McCain having solid foreign policy credentials and being instrumental in the implementation of the Surge) is the common opinion, It isn’t some out there – wildly stupid idiotic view – so your insult is not only rude but completely unwarranted.

The New York Times found that 98% of Republicans thought that McCain would be an effective Commander in Chief. The Times, admittedly doesn’t have the most accurate of polls, but I can’t think why they would exagerrate Republican support for McCain after he already had the nomination.

I think it’s ridiculous that you’re calling me an idiot for articulating the prevailing view within your party – but as your only goal was probably to make me feel unwelcome, you have succeeded in that,

Prevailing view within my party?

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:20PM EST (link)

Really?

Really?

Wow.

Inre the NYT, and how you “can’t think why they would exagerrate [sic] Republican support for McCain”. Gee, I can’t imagine any reason the NYT would have to misrepresent Republican voters either.

None at all.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

Your "opinion" clowngirl is the echo of the position of

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:22PM EST (link)

the New York Times and various other political assets that would like to have McCain in power because he is as far from a conservative as one can get.

McCain’s foreign policy credentials are nothing special and his military creds suck. It’s not my fault you’re in denial, get over it. The fact you would quote a NYT “poll” says all I need to know about your credibility. And, would be be an effective CinC? Well, given a choice between him and the current clown, he’d be better. But hell, so would my dead white cat.

Whether you “feel” welcome, unwelcome or anything else, I could care less. If you want to make an argument, make and be prepared to defend it with something better than your little hurt feelings and a NYT poll.

 

becker refuted your post point by point, clowngirl.

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:43PM EST (link)

Why not reply to his facts? The common opinion? Really? In what world?

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Y'all are just determined to hate McCain

clowngirl (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 1:06AM EST (link)

When I see someone who won’t even acknowledge his honorable and heroic wartime service, I can come to no other conclusion.

Mr. Vegas and Mr. Becker,
Is it really your contention that Senator McCain is not generally regarded as having a high level of credibility with regard to military and National Security issues? Really? You think this is some form of liberal brainwashing or something?

I have certainly read conservative writers who have seemed to endorse this view, and have individual Republicans who do so,

The NY Times, deplorable fishwrap that it is, had no reason to exaggerate Republican support. This poll took place after he had already secured the nomination and the question was not – do you think McCain would be a better Commander in Chief than lets-pull-our-troops-of-Iraq-out-then-send-them-back-in-after-having-allowed-the-gains-thousands-of-Americans-fought-and-died-for-to-be-taken-by-the-enemy Obama, it was simply whether they thought he would be an effective Commander-in-Chief.’

Also. in primary exit polls, Republicans voters overwhelming picked McCain as the best CinC – even those who voted for other candidates.

If you re-read my remarks, you’ll see that I didn’t at any time suggest that McCain would be able to negotiate a beneficial health care reform – I simply said it was politically neccessary for him to make the offer and expressed my opinion that you were off base in thinking his remarks indicated a willingness to accept anything like the monstrosity being proposed.

Well gee clowngirl...

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 11:55PM EST (link)

Your name is certainly apt.

s it really your contention that Senator McCain is not generally regarded as having a high level of credibility with regard to military and National Security issues? Really? You think this is some form of liberal brainwashing or something?
Yes really. Really. And if you were just a tad less ignorant you’d have a shot at understanding your subject matter. The issue here is not whether he has a high level of cred. If you’ll recall, John Kerry was supposed to have huge credibility on matters of the military and national security. And the very same people who ascribe credibility to McCain were the ones pushing that fairy tale for Kerry. The issue is whether McCain actually knows anything that might be pertinent vis-a-vis the military and national security in today’s world. Based on his pathetic performance in the US Senate over the last eight years – most of which was simply petty sniping at GWB – pretty well drives a stake in the heart of the “cred” argument. I’m not going to bother a point by point destruction of his cred, we’ve gone through it before and I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t understand a word of it.

I have certainly read conservative writers who have seemed to endorse this view, and have individual Republicans who do so
They live in a “relative” world. Relative to most of the Senate I wouldn’t argue. Relative to someone who is – IN FACT – strong on defense, McCain is a bureaucrat wimp.

With respect to your comments on both the NYT poll and exit polls, you’re showing yourself to be a fool. Do you actually think people answer those questions in a vacuum? Of course they were comparing him to BO. And in the case of those who voted for other candidates, they just don’t care about national security or defense.

I’ve re-read your remarks several times. I’m amazed that you could be foolish enough to write that crap. And since your opinion is fueled by your dexterity with facts, I don’t much care what it is.

And McCain will absolutely sign on to the Teddy Kennedy Memorial Marxist Take Over of the US Economy. It may be a tad pared down, but he’ll agree to it. And then over the next few years Democrats will quietly add to it and get to where BO and TK wanted it to be.

You're right Becker.

clowngirl (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 2:41AM EST (link)

No opinion is formed in a vacuum. I submit that your overall hatred of McCain influences how you rate his National Security cred.

You say he’s better than most of the Senate (on this issue) but not than someone with real strength. Would that person of exceptional foreign policy strength be Chris Simcox?

I’m actually sort of impressed that you read over remarks several times before insulting me again but said insults and your comment that you don’t care what I think leaves me without much else to say to you tonight.

Your explanation of your views on McCain w/ regard to Defense issues makes more sense to me now. I still don’t agree with you but I no longer think you’re nuts.

Perhaps we will chat more productively on a different topic.

clowngirl

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 9:01AM EST (link)

you’re about the intellectual equal of a rock. A very small rock.

Senators don’t make foreign policy. They just comment on it. But you probably didn’t know that. I’d take Simcox – or the other guy – or my dead white cat – over McCain on any issue. He is politician totally without any sense of honor who’s made his career in the blood of his betters.

Don’t expect more productive chats. I don’t suffer fools and you rank right up there with Britcom and Gary.

 
 
 
 
 

be-clownedgirl, your mask is slipping.

Achance (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:49PM EST (link)

You’re new here, so maybe you’re some recent convert to conservatism and really just aren’t that articulate with conservative/Republican thought – or maybe you’re a troll. Jury’s out.

In Vino Veritas

All right, folks. Dial it back.

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:53PM EST (link)

Recent convert, so maybe people would like to revise and extend their remarks, OK?

Convert? Is conservatism a religion now?

clowngirl (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 12:45AM EST (link)

First off, thank you Mr. Lane for requesting some civility.

I suppose it is understandable that some of y’all might be suspicious seeing me come out of nowhere and start immediately disagreeing with people. No, I am not a troll. I actually have a life and am not on the Obama payroll. I can’t imagine anything more pathetic than joining a website just to antagonize people I disagree with,

I posted a diary entry the other day discussing how I came to join and want to be part of the Repubican party, y’all can read it if you like. I’ve been a reader of RedState for awhile but only just started making comments. I”m sincere in the desire to be part of the Redstate community (and to hopefully stop alienating liberal friends by transferring some of my political discussion off of Facebook) but that is not to say I’ll always be in lock step with your opinions. I didn’t post for awhile probably partly because of a reluctance to affiliate and because my views might be seen as heresy – but lately have come to see that as a cop out- and decided to give you some credit for broadmindedness.

I self identify as a moderate Republican, and am in agreement with current Republican goals – but I don’t treat any ideology as if it were a religion. In my better moments I evaluate situations with reference to the Bible – but I never determine what I think about an issue strictly based on what is the “conservative view”, IMHO more issue should be looked at on their own merit without knee jerk party reactions,

For example, i don’t know if you guys paid much attention to it, but there was a case here in NYC where a young man (Sean Bell) was killed by a police officer who mistakenly thought he had a gun. The liberals cried racism despite the fact the cop who started the whole thing was black, the conservatives (that I read) went on about how the cops (who had made aggregiously bad decisions) were heroes and it was an outrage that they were charged with a crime, etc.

In my view, both reactions are utterly ridiculous and the real issue is that NYPD cops are not properly trained, (they are told to “shoot till the threat is gone” but – if this incident was any indication- are not trained adequately to avoid creating situations that are likely to result in shooting. I thought charging the cops with a criminal offense – and having the prosecutor go out of his way to lose the case – was totally inappropriate – both because the cops involved were doing what they were trained to do and because it was did not address the underlying problem – which, in my view, is that cops in NYC are trained with instructions to protect themselves without enough consideration for also protecting citizens. It was the department who should’ve answered for it- not the individual cops.)

Moe says you're a recent convert, so I'll try to go easy on you.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 2:57PM EST (link)

Meaning no offense, you do smell a bit like troll. Trolls tend to be characterized by coming from out of nowhere, taking on Known Names with Well Established opinions and facts that back them up, then demanding civility for posts that are not well reasoned. Case in point – you note your own recent post and seem to expect that Becker908 has read it, yet seem to not have read anything by him previously. He like me is a prolific commenter although not so much on postings. If you follow the profile link, he is clearly marked as a member for more than 3 years. You need to avoid this to avoid smelling like a troll.

I see from your profile that you’ve been here for less than 6 months, so you will have missed the back and forth about the problems with McCain, particularly during the primaries. McCain was pretty much last on most people’s lists of preferred candidates during the primary. Many of us reluctantly voted for him because The Big 0 was clearly worse. Nothing Becker908 has written about McCain is outside the lines of his previous postings. Most of us are in agreement that McCain has been bad news for conservatives of all stripes, and that the only thing he got right was his position on Iraq, and even that was pretty much by luck.

Next, quoting the NYT usually a pretty good indicator of troll. Conservatives know it is no longer a newspaper and only a tool for the radical left. You’ll need to become a little more familiar with Machiavelli (or at least his theories about politics) to understand that it isn’t necessary for them to have a logical reason to exaggerate any Republican position for its own purposes. I would suggest you do so.

Now as to what seems to have been your sticking point about McCain’s military credentials, the first thing you need to know about posting to conservatives, and particularly to cantankerous old farts like Becker908 and me, is that we don’t give a rat’s hindmost part before the tail about “common opinion,” or at least not beyond what is necessary to get common opinion to conform to the reality of a given situation. So it can both be true that the common opinion is he has good credentials while simultaneously being true that his real ability is no more than that of any other pilot who has served in the military.

One last bit of advice: if you want to hang around here you’ll need to develop a thick skin. Not only do most of us fire full bore loads on any topic, even moving your political discussions off Facebook is ultimately not going to help you maintain friendships with your liberal friends. Because while they puff themselves up about their tolerance for others, they are frequently about as tolerant of other political opinions as the Klan was of Blacks during the 1960s. And if you do hang out with us, and you learn some things from us, those things will affect the opinions you express, at which point you are likely to unpleasantly experience exactly how tolerant they are.

I would like to request a link to your diary about why are a recent convert. And yes, getting conservatism is a bit like getting religion: you can’t get it and not change your thinking and your actions. The problem is, the liberals and most especially the human secularist branch of liberalism have made that sound really, really evil.

5 well said Gadfly nt

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 3:08PM EST (link)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

Gadfly, how dare you call me a

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 10:46PM EST (link)

cantankerous old fart. I’m hurt. I’ll probably write a letter of complaint to the directors. I may even get Franz Prince of Dogness involved. Absolutely everybody who is anybody at Redstate knows I’m much nastier than that. Hell, most of the time I think they keep me around so they’ve got somebody to point to when people complain about Achance.

Other than that, an excellent, and very heartfelt, analysis.

 

Gadfly, here's the link

TNJim (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 12:23AM EST (link)

to clowngirl’s conversion diary, although you may have looked it up by now anyway. That post is probably why Moe asked us to give her a break. Seems to be a sincere diary, I think she’s trying to find her way around here.

Good comment, BTW. Like Aaron, I give it a 5.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

Thanks for the link

The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 2:33AM EST (link)

No, I haven’t quite figured out how to find a person’s list of diaries, which I would occasionally find useful.

Reading the diary explains a fair bit about Clowngirl’s reaction to our postings. Since she came here via McCain, it’s not self-evident how much of a problem he has been to us moving forward with many pieces of legislation a majority of conservatives support.

It's quite simple, really Gadfly

TNJim (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 3:39AM EST (link)

On someone’s diary entry you just click on their username and it’ll take you to their diary page. Clicking on profile will take you to their recent comments. On a comment, however, if you click on the name you get taken to their recent comments. But you can get to their diary page from there like so:

for example, you wanted to see clowngirl’s diary about her conversion to the Republicans. If you had clicked on her name you would get a url in your address bar like this:

http://www.redstate.com/users/clowngirl/

From there just highlight users/ (make sure you get the slash) and press delete, giving you a url like this:

http://www.redstate.com/clowngirl/

With the cursor still blinking in the address bar then just click go to or whatever your browser’s equivalent is, or just press enter and you’ll be taken to their diary page.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

Thanks. (nt)

The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 9:03AM EST (link)
 
 

Thanks Gadfly and TNJim

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, August 28th at 12:55AM EST (link)

For taking the time to advise me on the ways of RedState and for believing I am – at least – sincere.

Is this troll issue settled or is it something I actually need to address?

I actually thought of looking for a site specifically for moderate Republicans and independents but didn’t really hear of anything and then I thought how ridiculous! of course it would be more comfortable to interact only with people who more or less agreed with me but there’s more to be gained from hearing different perspectives. So I’m just going to try and get along with you guys.

The best way to get put the "troll" issue to rest

civil truth (Diary) Friday, August 28th at 1:12AM EST (link)

…is to diversify and comment (or write diaries) on the many other challenges that conservatives and Republicans are facing.

Since Monday, the only thing you’ve written on is John McCain. It seems clear the positions have been explicated; time to move to a different field, as you were doing earlier.

And if you stay around RedState to read and interact, I think you’ll learn that hard lesson that many of us coming from a liberal past have had to learn – which is that being a “moderate” Republican is like being “almost pregnant”. At least that’s the analogy that came to mind this late in the evening.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 
 
 
 
 
 

Probably the reason new people don't stay long

rc2000 Tuesday, August 25th at 9:11PM EST (link)

is that so many get banned for disagreement. Glad Moe came in to protect one before the RS crew ganged up on another.

No matter what time it is, wake me, even if it’s in the middle of a Cabinet meeting.
-The Gipper

Hi, rc2000/lesreaper.

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 9:26PM EST (link)
 

And, just so we're clear, in the almost four years I've been here

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 10:50PM EST (link)

I can’t recall anyone being banned for “disagreement”. And CERTAINLY not for disagreeing with me.

 
 
 
 
 

From a military perspective

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 9:17AM EST (link)

the surge was a great idea. But when we leave Iraq they are going to go right back to where they were.
You can argue the issue but that is the simple truth.
Afganistan is the same.

We have a massive federal government inserting itself into every aspect of our lives. We are currently being governed by people who don’t believe in democracy as evidenced by the growth of “administrations” that exercise administrative law without jury trials and by a Democrat party that will drag any effort into court if you dare vote for an initiative they don’t support.

OUR REPUBLIC is crashing down around our ears, we are worse than broke and we are spending hundreds of billions to force democracy on two little countries on the other side of the world.

We should have pounded the crap out of both of them. Put a bounty on the heads of Osama, Omar and Saddam. And went home. Aside from the bounties that is what Reagan did to Libya and Qaddafi shut up and got out of the terrorism business for 20 years.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

The surge was GEN Petraeus' idea, McCain just grabbed for his coat tails...

nessa (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 11:16PM EST (link)

he needed some now that Reagan is gone. McCain rode Ronaldus Magnus’ coat tails into office to begin with.

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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teh twitter

you are correct

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 10:43AM EST (link)

McMaverick gets credit for trusting the expert

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 

Hey Rogue...

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 11:32PM EST (link)

Read – or written – any RonPaul blogs lately?

is there one in particular?

RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 10:12AM EST (link)

i am a cfl member and post there. i don’t write his.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 
 
 

Still come around to the question

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 9:22AM EST (link)

What is easier to beat; A firmly entrenched RINO like McCain or a new and unknown left wing democrat?

As has been pointed out, McCain is almost certainly unbeatable in the primary. Though I am all for trying.

But to keep supporting this guy is not just detrimental to the party it is detrimental to the nation. I agree that forced to choose Snow or Collins would appear to be better choices for keepers.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Who's worse: McCain or Harry Reid?

clowngirl (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 11:46AM EST (link)

I get that you guys REALLY REALLY hate John McCain ( Snow or Collins is better?! Get real.) but have acknowledged trying to unseat him is pretty much a lost cause.

Consider: do we really have the luxury of lost causes when there’s an opportunity to possibly take back Congress? Is it really worth it to take out a popular Republican incumbent who – you’ve acknowledged – is unbeatable in a general election? and who – whatever nice things he may say about Ted Kennedy – has been with his party on every major issue this year?

It is worth it when the very activists wasting energy opposing McCain could be roadtripping to Nevada to fight for a seat that might actually change hands?

I could understand if it was Specter, but every dollar going to oppose McCain is a dollar not going to Pat Tomey – every dollar spent to defend McCain’s seat is a dollar also not going to Tomey.

There’s what – 52 blue dogs? how many vulnerable Democratic Senators? The 2010 elections looks to present massive opportunities – but also massive costs and great expenditures of energy. Do we really have energy to waste on a basically symbolic challenge?

The Answer Is "Yes"

IJB Monday, August 24th at 11:59AM EST (link)

There are numerous reasons for primarying ‘old guard’ Senate Republicans – the first of which is that by virtue of having to run against any conservative candidate that gets even a little bit of traction will force the incumbent to move Right during the Primary.

It also has the effect of letting them know we’re watching them.

And, best case scenario: The incumbent unmasks themselves, proving that they’re not up to snuff, and they get bounced after all.

AFAIK, there’s no downside to primarying entrenched politicians…

 

You've actually said something I agree with.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:03PM EST (link)

Wholeheartedly.

I could understand if it was Specter, but every dollar going to oppose McCain is a dollar not going to Pat Tomey – every dollar spent to defend McCain’s seat is a dollar also not going to Tomey.

I’ve said that all along. People in AZ should support the alternative to McCain, it’s our state. Everybody else should send money where it will do the most good and either PA or FL are good places to start.

Glad We Agree

clowngirl (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 1:43PM EST (link)

…that defeating Specter is – at least – a higher priority. (I, of course, don’t think he should be defeated at all and will be forced to divert funds I might’ve given elsewhere if it looks like there’s any risk of it)

Actually if we were setting priorities and doing it in the abstract

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 10:52PM EST (link)

I would make McCain a much higher value target than Specter. He’s caused much more heartache and done more damage to the party than Specter ever thought of.

We just don’t have an option with McCain.

I'd fight you on this one Becker,

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 3:10PM EST (link)

but only because I was born in Pennsylvania and am therefore more familiar with the damage he has done.

Specter’s position on Judiciary committee, and in particular his acquiescence in the slandering of Robert Bork has caused more problems than McCain’s Gang of 14 agreement. In point of fact, had Specter acted honorably with Bork, the Gang of 14 event would never have happened. Specter was with McCain on so called comprehensive immigration reform, NCLB, ADA, and just about all the other McCain problems. About the only place where McCain caused more damage is that Snarlin Arlen at least had the wits not to run for President.

But all that being said, it’s a bit like arguing over whether Stalin was more evil than Hitler. Perhaps an interesting philosophical debate, but pointless in the grand scheme of things. The party would be better off with both of them gone.

You wouldn't get much of a fight from me.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 10:54PM EST (link)

We’d just agree on your last sentence and move on.

One point of fact, Arlen did run for President in 1996.

Your analogy is perfect.

 
 
 
 
 

He is far more public in his

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 11:19PM EST (link)

cannibalism of conservatives. Snow and Colllins prefer a low(er) profile perhaps because they have a sense of shame about what they are doing. McCain goes out of his way to denigrate conservatives.
As Bob Kerry once said of Clinton he would rather climb at tree to tell a lie than stay on the ground and speak the truth.
McCain would rather climb a tree….

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 
 

Your words are to kind for McCain however this is Redstate...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:12AM EST (link)

the House GOP was also diplomatic...

clowngirl (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:25AM EST (link)

So eager to sit down with Obama to discuss the porkulus. So complimentary of him being nice, articulate, etc.
Obama, of course, rejected all their ideas and they unanimously rejected it. (Hallelujah!)

It cost nothing to be nice.

The polls show that. :)

It costs nothing to be nice. Yep. And that's worked

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 8:57AM EST (link)

out really well legislatively, huh?

 
 

I am all for Red State

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:48AM EST (link)

Provided Red State means smaller, less intrusive CONSTITUTIONAL government.

When Reagan won 44 and then 49 states running on an “extreme right wing” platform he proved virtually every state can be won by actual conservatives.

I am not making a purist argument of let’s do it even though we will lose. I am making a purist argument from the perspective that it is the best way to win. It’s a twofer, do the right thing and win.

Newt’s contract with America was essentially a coordinated nationwide conservative message and it won big.

I have been lambasted as being a pie in the sky purist but history proves two things.
Strong articulate conservatives win.
RINO’s (McCain, Dole and Ford) lose.

Bush Sr. won on a conservative platform of essentially Reagan II. GW certainly ran a conservative campaign. I don’t think his LBJ style nation building that he opposed during the campaign or his spending supported his conservative claims but the claims are what won.

I think Grover Norquist (at RightOnline) had it right regarding conservatives. We just want to be left alone. There is no purist dogma here. You can be whatever you want to be. Just leave ME alone. I don’t care about your religion or education or whether you want to own a gun or whether you want smoke or whatever. Just leave me alone.

In that, I am a purist, and I think recent history shows that kind of purist wins.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 

I am all for Red State

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:48AM EST (link)

Provided Red State means smaller, less intrusive CONSTITUTIONAL government.

When Reagan won 44 and then 49 states running on an “extreme right wing” platform he proved virtually every state can be won by actual conservatives.

I am not making a purist argument of let’s do it even though we will lose. I am making a purist argument from the perspective that it is the best way to win. It’s a twofer, do the right thing and win.

Newt’s contract with America was essentially a coordinated nationwide conservative message and it won big.

I have been lambasted as being a pie in the sky purist but history proves two things.
Strong articulate conservatives win.
RINO’s (McCain, Dole and Ford) lose.

Bush Sr. won on a conservative platform of essentially Reagan II. GW certainly ran a conservative campaign. I don’t think his LBJ style nation building that he opposed during the campaign or his spending supported his conservative claims but the claims are what won.

I think Grover Norquist (at RightOnline) had it right regarding conservatives. We just want to be left alone. There is no purist dogma here. You can be whatever you want to be. Just leave ME alone. I don’t care about your religion or education or whether you want to own a gun or whether you want smoke or whatever. Just leave me alone.

In that, I am a purist, and I think recent history shows that kind of purist wins.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Even Obama wants it for himself

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:51AM EST (link)

Drudge Headline

LEAVE US ALONE NOW

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/obamas-hope-for-privacy-on-vacation-1.1389854

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 

+5

gahazzah (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 8:34PM EST (link)

The more “pragmatic” conservatives get the more bi-partisan they become, the more bi-partisan they become the bigger government gets, the bigger government gets the harder it is to scale it back. Look at how well that’s worked for us up until now. We have trillion dollar deficits, unfunded mandates out the wazoo, laws and tax codes so complex nobody can understand them, an open border policy bankrupting our south-western states, et cetera, et cetera.

I’m tired of being asked to vote for big government cradle-to-grave politicians simply because they’re sponsored by the letter (R). It’s not a debate between purism and pragmatism, it’s a debate between Constitutionalism and Statism.

/government

 
 

Recommended for the title alone.

get2djnow (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:19PM EST (link)

That is all.

A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson (26 Mar 1984 – 28 Sep 2005) Killed by an IED during OEF, probably of Iranian origin, but aided by having predictably scheduled logistics convoys.

“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.” (Genesis 17:7)

“Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land which you see I will give to you and to your descendants forever.” (Genesis 13:14)

“For those who are with us here today before Hashem our God and (also) those who are not here with us today.” (Deuteronomy 29:14)

 

Recommended. But notice the fish wrap that reported this stupidity.

spainishirish (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 8:17AM EST (link)

McCain would claim to be a closet Marxist to get a few inches of ink in the same rag that fabricated his “affair”. At the end of the day, there will be no deal and not because Ted Kennedy isn’t there to pat John and our party’s other trained seals on the head, either. McCain is not relevant to this debate because the Democrats are too divided, thank God, to reach a compromise. McCain might want to play Judas Goat and lead a few GOP dullards to the slaughterhouse–although I think the quotes spring from his pathetic need for publicity, but just for argument’s sake–but he can’t deliver Obama anything.

McCain eventually will self-immolate when party disloyalty no longer gets him covered, which may happen in the near future. This senator’s irrelevance is the ultimate justice.

Spanish- I will relish that day when

redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 11:32PM EST (link)

history passes the Senator by. He’s in prime position to be the buggy whip of Republicans in the post-buggy era.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 
 

Sometimes John McCain Gets It

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 8:50PM EST (link)

If you think McCain "gets it" you've been drinking.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 10:54PM EST (link)

The ONLY thing John McCain “gets” is that he can stand up say crap like that and then go to DC and do whatever he feels like for six years.

5 mbecker...McCain is "saying" what is needed to get re-elected..nt

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 11:08PM EST (link)

True conservatives don't need to be backed into a corner

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, August 28th at 9:40AM EST (link)

to fight for their conservative principles.

McCain has two options with Zero™ as President. Go along with an extreme leftist, or define his opposition to the extreme left.

Does it take an extreme leftist to bring the opposition out of him?

 
 

I happen to agree with that statement

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 11:09PM EST (link)

John McCain says anything to get elected but then again he is sort of a product of a purple state(almost went blue). I know I hear why do you in Texas keep voting in KBH and the answer to that is the Dems through up the most liberal candidate(maybe that’s the case in AZ). I can barely tolerate him.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 

McCain is terrific at Divide and Conquering

OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 1:37AM EST (link)

his constituency. I managed to watch some of his town hall today, and he is extremely apt at playing both sides. It’s obvious to me, he’s enamored with power, and even better at hiding the fact, which is why he has a tough time making a stand against BO and IMO and yet still believes (I guess) in things I personally do. The end result is all the matters, and that result is lukewarm nothingness.

The American public often times give him the benefit of the doubt because he’s a war hero. In context, it ought not to apply here. If I met him on the street, he’d have my utmost respect. If I had a vote in AZ, it’d be absolute ‘NO’.

I Think You Can Only Play Divide-&-Conquer Strategy for So Long...

IJB Wednesday, August 26th at 2:27AM EST (link)

…Before it bites you in the kiester. Sooner or later, people catch on.

And Obamacare is exactly the kind of thing where that could blow up in John McCain’s face, if he’s not careful.

Basically, on this one, he has no latitude – if he tries to cut a deal on it, *any* deal, down the road, I think that might be the thing that finally unmasks him.
At that point, I’d expect a higher-tier primary challenger to materialize.

what I witnessed today

OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 2:36AM EST (link)

Was a partial unmasking of an institutionalized politician. I may not know the intricacies of AZ politics, but I opinion that mbecker may be wrong and this seat my indeed be breakable in ’10.

Closing the margin would, at minimum, send a shot across the bow and shockwaves across both aisles.

Addendum

OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 3:06AM EST (link)

With the above typed, I don’t believe this is what we ought to be focusing on. McCain is ’10. Obama is ’12. Healthcare is RIGHT NOW, and if defeated, will dictate the roadmap for both issues.

Albeit, I’ll stipulate, it’s downright fun to use McCain as a backdrop to litmus test Healthcare. He shouldn’t be our focus, instead he’ll be swept away in the process if we keep our eye on the prize.

On this particular subject 908 ain't wrong.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 9:03AM EST (link)

Sorry.

1. What part of “there is nobody from either party with statewide name recognition or money” can’t you get?
2. The above rally was held in Sun City – that’s part of Metro Phoenix. McCain will get all but maybe three votes in SC until three election cycles after he’s dead. He could be caught on tape boinking his daughter and they’d vote for him.
3. He’s not going get “swept away in the process”. Any more than Lindsey Graham did.

As far as your first post, McCain IS “right now”. And he is because if he finds a way to support some form of ObamaCare to honor his good friend Ted Kennedy that will give Obama, etal high value political cover.

 
 
 
 
 
 

I liked the townhall too!

clowngirl (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 3:13AM EST (link)

Thought he made a lot of good points about healthcare- the sort of common sense stuff that could persuade even Democrats,

Yeah, President McCain has proven how pursuasive he is with Democrats.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 8:56AM EST (link)

McCain Carried Over 30% of Democrats in 8 States

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, August 28th at 12:33AM EST (link)

so I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the idea that he can be persuasive with them.

And I can cherry pick eight or nine states

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, August 28th at 8:25AM EST (link)

that Bush carried at least that many Ds. Then there’s a real conservative, that Reagan guy.

Clowngirl, you’re a damned idiot and you just can’t restrain yourself, can you. The conventional wisdom of fools like you two years ago was that he’d do a whole lot better than that and that’s why we should nominate him.

 
 
 
 
 

Someone needs to get Joe Arpaio to run

UpLateAgain (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 9:55AM EST (link)

He’s got the name recognition, is amazingly popular with the legit citizenry, and he’s HUGE on enforcing the law and saving the taxpayers money.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

Amen UPA! I know Joe loves his job as sherriff, and he

eburke (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 3:29PM EST (link)

certainly rocks at it, but he has *huge* name recognition and, despite the AZ Republic’s unending efforts to tear him down, he is an immensely popular politician. Have always wondered why he hasn’t parlayed that into a run for ‘higher’ political office.

Well…unless it’s because he enjoys his role as the ensurer of justice via pink underwear, bologna sandwiches, and unairconditioned tents.

Heh. Heh.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

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If you think McCain is a disaster, Arpaio would be

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 11:04PM EST (link)

1,000 worse.

First of all, the guy is older than McCain. Second, while some of his policies are interesting, he’s arguably one of the worst Sheriffs in the country. He keeps managing to dodge the political bullet related to the cost of legal settlements against his detention officers. Yeah, he holds down the cost of food in the Maricopa County Jail (3rd largest in the nation I believe), but we’ve suffered several hundred million dollars worth of settled law suits from inmate deaths and outright abuse.

Joe is way over his head as County Sheriff, he’s one of the worst administrators around. He never ran for Governor because he was smart enough to figure out that while he is a popular folk-hero sheriff, he’d get his head handed to him in a statewide election. I seriously doubt he’d get 10% of the vote outside of Maricopa County and he’d probably split Phoenix pretty close to even.

FWIW, I dislike Arpaio more than I dislike McCain.

Senators don't to run anything, so he might be well suited for the Senate

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 11:23PM EST (link)

I would prefer him to McCain, and a McCain primary loss would be AWESOME.

I you factor in lawsuit expenses, state governments might as well just give in to green/red movement and we just give up. The right is going to be sued anytime conservative policies are enacted. Maybe we should just embrace the hit in the short term for the prospect of longterm change?

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Arpaio doesn't get sued for "policies"

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 12:00AM EST (link)

he gets sued for “actions” and flat out cover-ups. He is frankly a shameful individual.

Would Arpaio go the way of Tommy Thomas

Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 12:08AM EST (link)

here in Harris County and lose the election?(most likely not until 2012). Harris county has had a lot of problems over the years and he go the bitter end for that.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 
 
 
 
 
 

McCain on Kennedy on Fox

diakrioi (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 4:29PM EST (link)

Just saw a commercial on Fox that said they will have an interview with McCain about his favorite senate shower-buddy. I am sick to death of McCain. Like many of you, I never would have voted for the weasel but after he picked Palin I changed my mind.

Please shut up, Johnny boy.

 

McCain

avgamerican (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 12:27AM EST (link)

Because McCain served the way he did in Vietnam, I would never disrespect him with the words I have read here. I do disagree with him and it is very frustrating to see this man cave the way he has. I told my friends at work the same thing I’ll say here. McCain belongs being a secretary of state or secretary of defense, not a senator or president.

I respect McCain's service in Vietnam.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 12:34AM EST (link)

The fact that he stashed his honor in the closet with his uniforms is my problem with McCain. McCain’s service in the US Senate deserves exactly no respect unless you have a thing for selling your party and your country and the US military down the river at about every opportunity.

Secretary of State or Defense? You been spending time with clowngirl? Those aren’t the two dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard, but they certainly top the list for today.

The only job John McCain is fit for now – or in the past 30 years – is private citizen, comfortable living off his wife’s father’s hard earned money.

You Get Points for Style on This One

clowngirl (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 3:08AM EST (link)

I disagree with it – but it’s amusing.

You’re right that I really don’t understand why some conservatives so passionately hate McCain. Did you go to, watch, or read the transcript of his town hall today? If so did you find him tolerable or were you infuriated again? I’ don’t even understand the components of McCain hating well enough to guess.

clowngirl: McCain spent the last eight years ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 7:26AM EST (link)

… doing everything he could get away with to undermine the GOP and the Bush Administration – first out of pique that he lost the Primaries to Bush and then deliberately to curry favor with the liberal DC and Press establishment.

He was constantly on TV repeating Democratic talking points – he was never more loud than when he was attacking Republicans or Republican policies and he was never more quiet than when he was criticizing Democrats – if he ever did.

This is a man who went to a Democratic Legislative Seminar to say; “I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy.”

He was a key player in practically every single Senate “Bipartisan” “compromise” that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory simply to burnish his “Maverick” credentials. Qualified judicial nominees after being made to languish for years without a confirmation vote had to be in the end withdrawn because of his idiotic “Gang of 14″ compromise.

Worse, as a Presidential candidate (a nomination he won mostly on the strength on non-Republican votes), he stood before Republican crowds to reassure them that Obama would make a “fine President” only to say nothing since then as his former “friends” in the Press went after his running mate’s family.

After swearing to “name names” throughout his campaign, he suddenly went dumb when the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fiasco came to light because the names were all Democrats. His voice would have been loud and clear if they had been Republican names.

His campaign was so listless and lacklustre that the RNC was forced to spend the bulk of its hard-earned cash on him when it could have helped shore up some essential House and Senate seats. What is particularly galling about this is that his signature achievement in the Senate (the spectacularly useless McCain-Feingold “Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform”) was specifically designed to make it harder for the National Committees (especially the RNC) to raise money for campaigns.

So, McCain has richly earned the contempt in which he is held by the base of the GOP. Heck, a significant number of his fellow “moderates” who touted his candidacy during the Primaries proudly endorsed Obama when the general election rolled around.

You’re new here and in the GOP. Perhaps you should do a little more learning as well as commenting.

 

Of course I watched the town hall, or enough of it to comment, at least.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 8:54AM EST (link)

You fail to understand that fundamentally John McCain is a politician who is totally without any sense of honor. To him, everything is personal. Everything.

John McCain, prior to 2000, was best known for his brief association with the “Keating 5″. As it turns out he was exonerated but that experience formed him as a politician. Prior to that he’d just been a self-serving nobody who had, through his family, a good personal story in a small state and he got himself elected to high office on Ronald Reagan’s coat tails. At the point when he was first elected to the House and then to the Senate – in retiring Senator Barry Goldwater’s seat – the only things he had going for him were the reputations of his dad and his grandfather and his father-in-law’s money.

McCain has never bothered to “stand for” anything but his personal rise to power. Now while that may make him “your average politician”, my personal issue with that is that he’s done on the backs of his betters. Men who served in the military. As far as I’m concerned he’s no different from the traitor John Kerry (and I’m talking treason in the Constitutional sense), or the equally self serving John Murtha.

McCain’s “outrage” over the size of the military footprint in Iraq is one example. He started whining before the initial invasion was over about the number of troops we sent to Iraq. No matter that we didn’t have the numbers he and Colin Powell were looking for. He did nothing but poison the well along with the leadership of the Democratic Party on Iraq, he gave them “bipartisan cover” with his constant criticism of Bush policy. He was not promoting an operation on the order of the one finally designed by Gen Petraeus and approved by GWB. He would have been whining that the additional troops Gen P requested were insufficient if the plan had been put forward two years earlier.

If you look at the time we were actively fighting in Iraq McCain criticized GWB and ignored the attacks of the Democrats.

Then there was his “Torture Amendment” that said absolutely nothing that wasn’t already covered by US statute and treaty. All he did was give the Democrats talking points to undermine Bush.

Others have covered the G14. I agree with their points down the line and will only comment that his formation of and participation in G14 was nothing more than continued payback to GWB.

Then there’s Campaign Finance reform. ‘Nuff said.

Then there’s his well earned reputation for “reaching across the aisle”. Please note that he’s NEVER reached across the aisle and brought one Democrat into an issue that is fundamentally conservative. He’s only worked with the most liberal members of the other party and only on legislation that is fundamentally unconstitutional or anti-American.

I’m going not follow my instincts with you, I’m gong follow Martin’s example. I’m going to temporarily withhold my opinion that you are a troll – and a really stupid one at that – and assume that you are an ignorant simpleton. Don’t push your luck. So far you’ve only seen the “nice” side of me.

You and Martin have laid out the case against McCain most clearly

civil truth (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 9:40AM EST (link)

In the end, McCain’s politics appear to be strictly personality-based rather than based upon any kind of consistent political philosophy. And most of his time he has spent in payback against other Republicans and undermining Republican positions at critical junctures.

Other Republicans may have worse voting records by score cards, but when it comes to the critical issues that have shaped our political landscape over the past couple of decades, John has taken a leading role to sabotage conservativism on these points.

This is why conservatives are so angry at Sen. McCain – because he has qualitatively done the most damage and resulted in critical defeats that now have opened the doors to a Communist takeover via our current Administration.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

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Kowalski - regarding the McCain honor matter

civil truth (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 9:49AM EST (link)

Yes John McCain served the U.S. honorably in war and deserves recognition for that.

However, he has at this point in time shredded beyond repair any honor that he may have still preserved by his unconscionable treatment of his VP running mate, Sarah Palin, whom frankly he seduced, abandoned, and betrayed – to put it bluntly.

And unfortunately just the latest in a long series of backstabbings of political friends in order to pander to political enemies and gain the attentions of a fawing media (until they decided to whore after Barack Obama).

And even now, his occasional opposition to Obama is still primarily personality-based, not based on a political philosophy.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 
 

Clowngirl, Becker is right about Keating 5 even though I don't fully concur with him.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 9:56AM EST (link)

And I believe understanding that event is critical to understanding John McCain as a politician. Even there my disagreement is minor: I wouldn’t say he was exonerated, it’s just that he received censure instead of more severe charges. For someone who believes himself to hold honor as a critical character trait, that can be as bad as what most of us would consider significantly worse punishments.

On this issue I’m inclined to believe John McCain was thrown under the bus by the Republican party in order to get the four Democrats who were the real culprits. I think McCain expected them to have his back and regards it as an abject betrayal. McCain certainly thinks of himself as loyal even if many of us at Red State don’t, and the event scarred him. His unfailing support for “campaign finance reform” of any kind and no matter how contrary to the clear meaning of the constitution is the clearest outcome of that scarring. There may also be some Helsinki Syndrome thrown in as well. The Dems he has partnered with are very good at making you feel like one of the gang, and at least seeming to be loyal to you.

While all of this causes me to have some sympathy for him as a person, it cannot lessen my criticisms of him as a politician.

In any event, if you aren’t familiar with the scandal, you should do some independent research about it. You’ll learn a fair bit about John McCain, but I suspect you’ll also come away with at least the start on an understanding of why some of us seem to be so mean. From your postings so far, I’m guessing you to be in college or a recent grad. People in that age group frequently think what is happening is totally new and requires new solutions. We graybeards have been here before. I think you’ll see the parallels as you do the research.

Gadfly, I agree with you on Keating right down the line.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 12:28PM EST (link)

I just didn’t want to write a book :-) .

 

McCain's Sins Seem to Be In the Past- Forgive him?

clowngirl (Diary) Friday, August 28th at 12:31AM EST (link)

I read McCain’s own account of Keating 5 in “Worth the Fighting For” and some other articles. It sounds like he used bad judgement but didn’t do anything truly unethical and he would have been done with it much sooner except that the Democrats (who did have members who acted absolutely unethically) needed Republican cover.

So I don’t consider that a reason to regard McCain as a person of bad character and I don’t see much support for Becker’s insistence that McCain has no honor whatsoever. During the election Rush actually referred to him as “the personification of honor”. Granted- that was during the election- but I don’t think he’d say it if he didn’t mean it.

That said, I’ll take for granted that there is are at least some valid reasons that the base isn’t crazy about McCain. But – it sounds like most of it is long ago and should just be forgiven and forgotten.

Hasn’t he (from a conservative perspective) gotten better ? as Obama mentioned on a daily basis- in 2007 he did vote with President Bush 95% of the time and I read the other week that he’s been voting with his party a solid 95% of the time this year.

He spoke out quite effectively against the stimulus, that omnibus spending bill, Obama’s unwillingness to condemn the obvious election fraud in Iran, I remember Red State giving him an A+ for his handling of the Sotemayor nomination – … The liberal media has blasted him repeatedly for criticizing Obama.

During the time I have been closely following McCain has been pretty reliably Republican and – in a way – his prior independence gives him more credibility (with some groups) when he does oppose Obama.

I presume that Becker is suggesting McCain lacks honor because he was “disloyal” to his party – but aren’t you guys praying that at enough Democrats are disloyal to theirs? Being loyal to a party is obviously not always a good thing,

He criticized Bush for a lot of things Bush needed to be criticized for, IMHO, and even if there was some degree of personal grudge… well didn’t he have cause? Bush stood beside some guy from a fringe veteran group while he (the guy) called McCain a traitor. They made robo calls calling his wife a drug addict…accusing him of illegitimately fathering his adopted daughter.

If he can forgive that- why can’t the GOP forgive him.

It’s not my place to tell Becker what to do in his own state – but on a selfish level, I’d rather see an activist with his talent and commitment setting his sights on Harry Reid…just one state away.

I mean how would you guys feel if you heard the Democrats were putting a lot of effort into primarying say, Evan Bayh? Would you be shaking in your boots thinking ‘Oh no this is gonna make the Democrats stronger”? or would you be thrilled to see them wasting energy & fighting amongst each other?

that said, if it turns out McCain votes for Obamacare not only willl I eat my words – but Chris Simcox would have my full support. (Actually if that happened he’d have such a flood of donations he wouldn’t need it – but there’s no way McCain would do that)

Snarlin Arlen came from my home state, so recent votes and statements tend to have little standing with me.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Saturday, August 29th at 6:40AM EST (link)

He would reliably vote with the Dems on critical issues for the four years after he was elected, then suddenly turn conservative about 2 years before re-election time. He would have done the same thing again this year, but Toomey survived his last back stabbing and came in with a ground operation that was ready.

Unfortunately McCain seems to follow the same pattern. The Gang of 14 wasn’t ten years ago, it was 2. So was “comprehensive” immigration reform. As for the honor point, I suspect the biggest reason many of us no longer regard him as a man with honor is because of McCain-Feingold and the Gang of 14. The first undermines free speech, and the second undermines pretty much the whole constitution. Those of us who passionately oppose McCain believe that a man of honor who has sworn to uphold the constitution could not support those actions under ANY circumstance, and McCain did not merely support them, he was instrumental in passing them. For me personally, McCain’s actions on these issues are the equivalent of Benedict Arnold selling out West Point to the British. It doesn’t matter how much good he did for our cause before then, on institutions fundamental to the survival of our democracy, he sold us out to the enemy. The only difference is that Arnold was caught and punished.

Okay, I was wrong on the parallels point, because that was about applying the banking situation then to the banking situation now. Understanding it to understand McCain is part of it, but the broader implications are more important. Short summation: back at that time the Dems were the culprits behind the S&L collapse, they hung a few scapegoats (including McCain), swept the mess under the carpet at great expense to the country, and never fixed the underlying problems. The same thing happened again with the financial collapse and TARP.

Look, I get that this is hard for you since McCain’s candidacy brought you into the Republican fold and to our website. I understand why you want to defend him, and it actually does your character credit. But for those of us opposed to his actions, this isn’t about paybacks or personality conflicts. It is about fundamental differences in governing principles.

McCain vs. Specter

clowngirl (Diary) Saturday, August 29th at 11:06AM EST (link)

It’s beyond me how you guys lump McCain in with Specter. I see them quite differently.

You say Specter starts to vote more Republican in the couple years before an election then bring up McCain supporting immigration reform, But McCain did that RIGHT BEFORE he started his presidential campaign – knowing it would hurt him badly with the base. So I have trouble seeing that as – in any way – politically expedient.

When McCain breaks with his party, in the instances I have heard of – his reasoning makes sense. I’m not saying it has always been the right choice but listening to him speak about the issue I have believed he was doing what he thought was right. But looking at Specter – when he voted for the porkulus he explained ‘it’s the best deal we can get’. it may’ve been the best deal he, Snow and Collins could get but if he didn’t stab his party and his country in the back the Senate Republicans would’ve had a heckuva lot more bargaining power- and couldv’e forced Democrats to create a bill that would actually stimulate the economy. And – as reported at Redstate – his recent shift on issues like healthcare seems to be an outright quid pro quo for the support of prominent Democrats.

And looking just at the “Stimulus” debate – Specter and McCain were MILES apart.

I think motives matter. Even if, hypothetically, McCain had done more damage (I, obviously, don’t see it that way) if he acted out of genuine conviction and not political expediency, I wouldn’t see that as a reason to despise him.

McCain has never taken any pork whatsoever in his entire career. I think that show’s some integrity. Specter bragged to his constituents about all the pork he’d gotten them by voting for Obama’s omnibus spending bill.

McCain was right to speak up about the need for more troops in Iraq – even if it aligned him with Democrats for a time. In “Faith of My Fathers” he writes about how essential it is to never commit American troops without giving them enough forces to win – I seem to rememeber him presenting it both as a general principle of warfare which was brought home to him only too clearly by the Congressionally mandated ineffectiveness of our efforts in Vietnam. I think he was acting out of that conviction rather than out of any desire to embarass Bush. (I’d compare Specter’s comments but I don’t remember him being relevant on the issue)

I’m not being comprehensive, I know – just saying that McCain and Specter appear to operate from very different motives.

I am of the opinion that McCain supported comprehensive immigration reform

The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, September 1st at 1:06AM EST (link)

because he figured it would win him Mexican votes. In his view, he had the Republican nomination all wrapped up because:

1) He was popular with the press
2) It was his turn next.

He’s not the only recent nominee counting on point #2, and they’ve all been duds, even the ones that were elected.

McCain is now up for re-election to the Senate. So its time for him to start making the appropriate noises or some underfunded upstart just might knock him off the ballot. Not much chance, but better to be sure.

Look, politicians, even the ones I like, change their voting patterns depending on how close it is to them being voted on. It’s a fact of life. You may not like it, but the sooner you realize it is one, the better able you are to analyze what is going on.

My last word on McCain on this thread will be to reiterate (and revise and extend) a statement I made on one of the earlier version of RedState: the election of 2008 was the first time in my life I’ve voted for Democrat, but at least he was a Scoop Jackson Democrat, and on the ballot they had an ‘R’ behind his name.

 
 
 

Gang of 14: Maybe I just heard the liberal spin on this one but...

clowngirl (Diary) Saturday, August 29th at 10:12AM EST (link)

weren’t the Republicans willing to get rid of the filibuster and compromise our checks and balances to ram the judges through?

My ears are open. I freely admit to hearing only the MSM/ liberal viewpoint at the time.

Was there no chance that McCain was acting out of what he believed were the country’s best interests? do you really think he was going out of his way to sabotage Republicans just for the fun of it?

The crux of the problem is that the filibuster

The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, September 1st at 12:54AM EST (link)

is not a rule specified in the Constitution, only in the Senate rules. The Constitution only specifies a few issues on which supermajorities are required (off the top of my head, overriding presidential veto, ratifying treaties, and amending the constitution) and the numbers for these are 2/3 for each.

The argument for the filibuster is that the since the Senate gets to set its own rules for debate, the filibuster should apply to judges.

The argument against it is that the filibuster on judges undermines a presidential power, not a legislative one. It is appropriate for the Senate to set its own rules for legislation, because the primary purpose of the Senate is proposing and passing legislation. But the checks and balances have to be spelled out in the Constitution, otherwise one branch can undermine another and there is no counter to it.

Historically judges were sent for up or down votes. The advent of the filibuster is actually a recent occurrence. I believe the first nomination to be subject to a cloture vote was Abe Fortas in 1968. In his case, the vote to continue debate was by a sufficiently wide bipartisan margin that it is not clear he would have been approved on a straight up or down vote. After that you have to go all the way to at least Reagan before a judicial nominee was filibustered.

Further complicating the situation, is that “filibustering” as it is done in modern times (say about 1977 or so) bears no resemblance to the way it was done since our founding. It is no longer senators taking the floor and speaking until they are exhausted. It is a senator saying he intends to exercise that option and then the item gets moved to a second schedule reserved strictly for filibustered items. In fact, abuse of the filibuster has become so rampant, that no lesser a protector of senatorial privilege than Robert Byrd himself has taken point in defining times when filibusters cannot be invoked. If the Senate can change the rules for those situations, it ought to also be able to adjust the rules for the debate of judges.

 
 

clowngirl...McCain hasn't gotten "better"....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, August 29th at 10:31AM EST (link)

he is going up for re-election in 2010. He ALWAYS turns back to Conservatism in the last two years of his 6 years. It is the first 4 years that one MUST pay attention to because those are the years he SCREWS the Republican brand everytime!

 
 
 

Remember all the D's that crossed over and voted for McCain

Scope (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 10:39AM EST (link)

in the primaries. They wanted to insure we got the worst possible R candidate, who many R’s could not vote for, until Palin. It is sure sounding to me as though clowngirl is still living in the rpimary days, and wants to insure that the worst of our worst stays in power. She claims to be a “moderate” Republican, but that is doubtful. McCain is more than a little left of center.

 

Remember all the D's that crossed over and voted for McCain

Scope (Diary) Thursday, August 27th at 10:39AM EST (link)

in the primaries. They wanted to insure we got the worst possible R candidate, who many R’s could not vote for, until Palin. It is sure sounding to me as though clowngirl is still living in the rpimary days, and wants to insure that the worst of our worst stays in power. She claims to be a “moderate” Republican, but that is doubtful. McCain is more than a little left of center.

Yes, I'm challenging her beliefs, but you need to cut her a bit of slack.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Saturday, August 29th at 6:47AM EST (link)

She’s a recent convert living in NYC with friends who object to her posting anything political on her Facebook page. Where she lives, she not a moderate, she’s a card carrying member of the lunatic fringe. So yeah, I’ll take her at her word that she is a moderate Republican. I know because my brother lived there for quite a few years and it pretty much turned him into a flaming liberal. So I’m actually impressed that Clowngirl has managed to find herself any kind of a path out.