In Sunday’s Tampa Tribune, this Ted Jackovics article harped on High Hopes For High-Speed Rail, hoping for a rail line that would connect the two major cities in central Florida, Tampa and Orlando:
TAMPA – As key political factors fall in place, Tampa, Lakeland and Orlando are leading contenders to launch the nation’s first true high-speed rail corridor, with 150 mph trains running by 2014.
On Friday, 40 states will file detailed high-speed rail project applications with the Federal Railroad Administration. In December, President Barack Obama will announce which will get money from the $787 billion federal stimulus plan to generate jobs.
If Florida gets the $2.5 billion it seeks, it will represent a stunning reversal of political fortunes – after 25 years of promise and setbacks – that will provide thousands of new jobs as early as 2011, when construction on the 95-mile Tampa-Orlando segment could begin.
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Potential drawbacks – including construction and operations costs and how much demand there might be to pay $30 for a 64-minute ride from Tampa to Orlando International Airport – appear to have been relegated to the background.
Why? The prospects of jobs – at a time when it’s common for hundreds of people to vie for a handful of positions.
“High-speed rail will bring an unprecedented number of new jobs to Florida, with the overriding goal of supporting the federal recovery plan,” said U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, D-Tampa, who has participated in several White House discussions on the topic this year.
The fact that a government boondoggle may employ people does not necessarily mean that it will “create jobs,” a fact that escapes the Obama Administration, Rep. Castor, and those who would prefer the landscape and transportation options of Floridians be planned by their superiors. How many jobs are lost when the government diverts dollars away from productive business and into things like high speed rail? Many proponents of such largess tout what a great “investment” such projects are, yet are inexplicably quiet when asked why private capital has not swarmed on such opportunities.
But perhaps “investments” and “jobs” are not the motivating factor behind the billions of dollars in subsidized trips to Disney World that are on queue:
Construction could begin as early as 2011, providing the Obama administration with potential political gains in an important presidential election swing state.
The I-4 corridor, as the inter Tampa-Orlando area is known, is the swing area of one of the major electoral swing states. The fact that President Obama will be trying to buy off the votes of Lakeland, Bartow, and Kissimmee should be disquieting. Many in Florida, and especially at the Trib, are more than happy to take billions of dollars in transportation welfare. However, one would wonder if such cheerleaders will be so supportive when Florida is sufficiently bought and paid for by the Democrat party, and Floridians’ tax dollars are sent to bribe some other state.
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
So the Recovery Plan is the Ends Not the Means???
reddog53 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 12:36PM EST (link)““High-speed rail will bring an unprecedented number of new jobs to Florida, with the overriding goal of supporting the federal recovery plan” said US Representative Kathy Castor”
All that matters is that we support the recovery plan?
Saddling the area with high speed rail that might not be economically viable in the long term may seem like a good idea for the jobs it may create in the short term…but how does this help the economy in the long run? The workers who put down the rails won’t be employed in foreign countries later, to help our trade balance. The workers sitting in ticket booths selling too few tickets will not increase our GDP–they will merely displace it. While it might help some folks get from Tampa to the Orlando Airport (at the expense of the Tampa Airport), this doesn’t seem to be a really good idea
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dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:29PM EST (link)Tell you one thing…. If I had the option to take a high speed train from Atlanta to Washington DC I would take it over a flight any day of the week.
Little over 4 hours by train (assuming ~150MPH) probably ~3 by air when you account for the security checks etc. At least with trains I would get a nice comfortable seat with plenty of room, and I can walk around (or even to the food service train car for a beer or a meal)
Added plus… could take a day trip to Disney World (3 hours by high speed train)
After spending several weeks in Europe I can definably understand the benefit of having high speed rail. Didn’t have to use a car the whole time I was there, and visited 10 countries.
We barely have low-speed rail in the US
Finrod (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:37PM EST (link)I looked at taking rail from Atlanta to Chicago one time. Gave it up when I found out that getting from Atlanta to Chicago via Amtrak would require going through either Mississippi or DC.
If Amtrak was smart it’d set up service from Chicago to Orlando (with a stop at Atlanta on the way) and advertise it as an alternative to flying there for all the Midwestern families.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
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dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:48PM EST (link)Rail in this country is a joke for the most part. Amtrak is slow, and the number of routes available is a joke.
Nobody is going to use Amtrak mainly because it does not offer a service worth using. I just actually looked at the Amtrak route map, and like you there is no direct route to Orlando from Atlanta (I mean seriously that’s just insane). I would have to go to New Orleans or Washington DC first…. insane.
I hope that I am able to see a national high speed rail system in the United States before I die, but I am not holding my breath.
The sad thing re Amtrak Chicago -> Atlanta and Orlando is
Finrod (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 11:52PM EST (link)Amtrak already has a line going from Chicago down through Indianapolis down to Louisville; all they’d have to do is extend that line to points further south and it would instantly give them something almost resembling a working grid.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?