The effort by ten Conservative members of the Republican National Committee (led by Jim Bopp Jnr. of Indiana) to introduce a resolution at the RNC’s Winter Meeting this month that would have forced all Republican candidates for Federal office to sign off on at least eight (or seven) out of the ten issue positions in the resolution or face having the RNC withhold its funds from his or her campaign generated quite a bit of ink/pixels when it came out back in late November last year.
As expected, much of the media (and many obstensibly on the Right) ominously referred to the proposed scheme as a “Purity Test “, with the Left touting it as yet more evidence that the GOP has become a party with no room for anyone except the so-called “Far Right. ”
Erick came out against it; with the very reasonable argument that this would be used to allow the bland content-free so-called “moderates ” the Beltway Republican Establishment tends to favor a shortcut past the vetting process by simply signing off as supporting positions on the issues when their previous records and statements show otherwise. Afterwards, when elected, there is no guarantee that they would hold to these new positions, especially when threatened with being left off a cocktail guest list. As Erick pointed out, despite a record of votes in the NY State Legislature and declared issue positions on taxes (and other issues) that would usually describe the philosophical profile of a middle-of-the-road member of the House Progressive Caucus, DeDe Scozzafava signed the ATR’s tax pledge … after mocking Doug Hoffman for signing it.
Mark, on the other hand, came out in favor of the resolution , or something like it; with his own very reasonable argument that notwithstanding the Left and some of the DC Republican establishments’ shrieks of the list being an exclusionary and “Far Right ” “Purity Test “, all ten positions stem from mainstream conservative principles shared by majorities and near majorities of the American people, and what’s more, the scheme would also serve to show disillusioned Republicans that their party has finally begun the long-overdue return to its principles.
I’m more inclined to go with Mark – to a point. A party is not a sports team or some sort of social club where winning on Election Day is the end in and of itself. Being a Republican (or a Democrat) is not similar to being a Yankees fan or a Rotarian. Reagan sounded a familiar note when he said; “A political party is not a fraternal order. A party is something where people are bound together by a shared philosophy. ”
Which is why, even though in the topsy-turvy world of Beltway politics this would invariably be greeted with apocalyptic denunciations on both sides of the cocktail circuit with labels that induce panic in “moderates ” like “extremist “, “intolerant “, “partisan ” and even {gasp!} “controversial ” being thrown about in both broadcast and print, it is hardly unreasonable for grassroots Republicans to demand some sort of confirmation that this or that individual seeking the GOP nomination for a particular office actually does share the party’s philosophy with its members.
But, I just don’t think producing some list (especially one that is so personality and current-events focused) and asking candidates to sign off on a minimum baseline number is the best way to go about it. Not only does it give the media a handy propaganda tool supporting their favored narrative of the GOP being a narrow lock-step marching cult catering to the “Far Right “, Erick is right in saying that it would be all too easy for the GOP establishment’s preferred content-free, spineless, unprincipled, go-along-to-get-along, Republicans-of-convenience to shortcircuit the vetting process by signing off on positions they have no intention of advancing or defending once in office, especially if it would get them disinvited from swanky DC cocktails.
A better (but perhaps less workable) idea, I think, would be that a resolution be introduced that all Republican candidates for office must participate in a minimum number of debates to be conducted by the state and/or local parties prior to the Primary. New media means that this does not have to be expensive – venues, stages and podia can be hired for cheap or nothing at all, and good camcorders are not too expensive. Better yet, it costs virtually nothing to upload stuff to YouTube.
Given a choice, I’d restrict the debate formats to the following;
- Town Halls: The candidates get to answer questions directly from representatives of their Primary electorate. Ideally, audience members would each write down a question to be randomly chosen out of a raffle box for a candidate to answer when it’s his/her turn. This would force things in a more issue-focused rather than personality-driven direction and also discourage dirty tricks by bad faith actors i.e. Candidate A supporter asking Candidate B a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.
- Candidate-to-Candidate: The candidates ask each other questions. With follow-ups. Third-party moderators may shy away from asking tough questions, especially if it would threaten any future opportunities to play moderator again, or allow their biases in favor of one candidate over another to color/soften their questions. This eliminates that possibility and also provides a good opportunity for underdogs to make an impact. Besides, if one cannot handle tough questions from an opponent in the same party, how would he/she handle the Democrat and the Press?
- Lincoln-Douglas/Presentation: The candidates would be asked to make an uninterrupted case for their policy prescriptions (i.e. legislation they would sponsor) addressing the various issues they believe are of the most concern to the voters of their district/state. i.e. taxes, healthcare, spending, education, national security, etc. They may use any props (e.g. PowerPoint) and aids they think necessary to make their case. Afterwards they would defend their thesis from the audience and their opponent.
In my opinion this scheme is more likely to yield the needed answers about the depth of the candidates’ convictions and thinking (or lack thereof) about the issues than simply asking them to sign off on any random eight out of ten policy positions in exchange for the party’s support. Either way, Scozzafavas (like this lady here ) and opportunist windsocks like Charlie Crists are less likely to make it through such a gauntlet than the current system, and they are less likely to cause harm when they crash and burn out. The winner can point out in any forum that they had a fair opportunity to convince Republicans that their way was best and they failed.
An arguably more significant advantage is that candidates, including conservative candidates, are forced to put some effort into thinking beyond Election Day; “moderates ” would have to come up with something other than trying to avoid taking any positions and simply repeating the stupid meaningless “Bipartisan ” platitudes that served McCain so well {/sarc} in 2008. Ultimately, the GOP needs to reclaim its 1990s mantle of being the “Party of Ideas ” again, and I’d think a robust Primary debate requirement is one of the most effective ways of forcing candidates to devote time to coming up with some solid ideas (or getting familiar with good ideas already on-ground) they can present to voters giving them reasons why they should send them to Washington or the state capitol.
This can only be good for the GOP, I think.
In other words, you get the same result (and more), leave the power to choose the candidate where it belongs – with the base, largely deny the MSM narrative-supporting talking point, and neutralize the unfortunate “moderate ” penchant for endorsing Democrats when they lose Primaries.
And that’s my 2 cents …
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
That's more than two cents...
aesthete (Diary) Sunday, January 24th at 10:17PM EST (link)I count at least a dollar there. Outstanding idea; I’m a particular fan of Town Halls and Lincoln/Douglass, as it would allow ideas to make a return to politics in an interesting way.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Dividing value is the Constitution
R. George Dunn Monday, January 25th at 12:05AM EST (link)the Nationalist GOP are those who oppose hanging a sign over the entrance to the GOP tent, “Enter here, Constitution Rules, all welcome”.
How often do you hear GOP talk about the Constitution? It is always less government. To me, that is code word for Nationalist conservative, who could care less of State Sovereignty.
To put it plain, the Patriot movement is very serious about Constitutional conduct and if the GOP establishment will not repent, they will be defeated or find an empty tent.
The disrespect of the Constitution must stop or it is dead. A U.S. District Court rules in the Obama Birth Certificate, that you cannot claim injury by someone acting unconstitutional to you. That is the foretelling of what is coming, international mantra controlling our very lives. That will not happen in this Nation. The only cure is for everyone, everyone, to start honoring Law.
Been saying for yeas, as we watch the Federal Government blatantly and willfully defy Law and that action spilling all the way down into corrupting every part of our Nation. Florida supreme court holds lying as not liable. Insanity on parade folks. Who will trust who when this is allowed to complete.
Constitutional conduct and FairTax please
Petition of the Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., that, to wit: Be it known henceforth, “the Value of the Elected Representative of the United States of America, who has taken the Constitutional Oath of Office, shall be of the authority to challenge any Law to which is deemed Unconstitutional.” Let FREEDOM Reign!!!
Don't do *this* again.
Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 3:51AM EST (link)I hope we’re clear.
Excellent, excellent idea. (nt)
Third Street (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 4:03AM EST (link)“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
Pledges are only good with an eyeball to eyeball handshake...
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 8:37AM EST (link)…so I tend to agree with Erick’s position on pledges. It;s easy to pledge to voters then renege, not so easy to lie to someone sitting next to you everyday.
If you will recall the Contract with America, the one BIG LIE was the term limit lie…But I favor contracts among sitting members.
But a more active and aware citizenry (thanks Tea Party/RedState et al) lengthens the public memory, so the old “lie paradigm” is out the window as well. There’s been a sea cgane on poilitical lying, especially in two year cycles, and distcricts and states with strong conservative groups….which in another 2-4 years..will be everywhere.
I still believe a conservative platform, 10 points, whatever, is a good idea, if only for keeping score.
And stop sucking up to the DC/NY Axis of Evil media!
Achance (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 8:53AM EST (link)Republican events and Republican debates need to take place in the districts and states not in DC/NY/LA. Republican House Members should go on a crusade aimed at making big city reporters learn that a Holiday Inn Express IS a luxury hotel. If you want to have a presser, do it in your state’s largest city or your capital city and let it be filtered through local and regional media, not national media The AP is a left wing organ so it is foolish for you to talk about your state or districts issues someplace where the only coverage you’re going to get in the local media is the AP story. The local media may be lefty too, but they have to at least somewhat adhere to local folkways and mores. Few big media companies are more lefty than McClatchey, and you know the McClatchey-owned Anchorage Daily News would have just loved to have broken or showcased some of the more vile things that were being circulated about Sarah Palin – BUT THEY DIDN’T DARE because there would have been a firestorm from their readers and, especially, advertisers. Out in the hinterlands, not a lot of lefties own businesses big enough to break a newspaper or TV station, but a lot of car dealers and real estate agents sure are big enough.
In Vino Veritas
What would be the measure to get into the debate?
jcincy Monday, January 25th at 9:32AM EST (link)I favor the idea of open debates. However, how does the party determine how many candidates have a seat at the debate table?
For example…
Hopping in my way back machine…
Does Alan Keyes get in to the debate or not… see Atlanta, Geogia, March, 1996.
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” — John Jay
I Would FLunk and Have to Join The Dopertarians
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 9:39AM EST (link)No, and I mean *No* purity tests. besides, we have a high-pass filtering mechanism in place already. It’s called a primary system. If you aren’t actively involved in your local party and either running or fighting to get your choice through the primary gate, take you “litmus test” and wipe off the dingle-berries.
” I side impenitently with the human race against the modern reformer.” – C.S. Lewis
Purity Test, no, but opportunity to rate candidates, yes
tankertodd (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 9:42AM EST (link)I wouldn’t ask for a yes/no on 10 issue positions but rather ask candidates to write in 50 words how they would support each and 50 words on what each position means to them. Voters can review each and perhaps mentally score the candidates on how well they adhered to each position times how important that position is to them. If abortion is their number 1 position, you would rate that a 10. If the candidate is moderate on the issue he scores perhaps a 6. Multiply the two to get 60 points. Continue for all other issues.
Or whatever.
Just give us the chance to review their orthodoxy and plans to the point where I have something to make a decision on now and can use to hammer them later when they renege.
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The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race – Chief Justice Roberts
The secret is to appear to answer all the questions, when in truth it's all mumbo-jumbo.
jcincy Monday, January 25th at 9:57AM EST (link)“Right now, I’m devoting a great deal of time and study to that problem. And I intend to issue a position paper on that. A position that is at once simple, yet complex, flexible, and above all else, fair to every American.” Les Nessman
I believe that’s less than 50 words.
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation, to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” — John Jay
mumbo jumbo should be a show stopper
tankertodd (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 1:35PM EST (link)Good to hear the nonsense so the voters can take it into account. Of course it’s the mumbo jumbo that got Obama elected. Crap.
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The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race – Chief Justice Roberts
somehow
sta46 Monday, January 25th at 9:43AM EST (link)the RNC has to be able to embrace a CONSERVATIVE independent. The independents outnumber the registered voters of both parties combined by a considerable margin (sic MA) and if the RNC choses to exclude them we will be doomed. Throwing support for the guy in NY23 would have been better than what we got. We need to support the most conservative/constitutionally aligned candidates regardless of whether or not they sport an R after their names.
An opposing view
gemimail Monday, January 25th at 2:00PM EST (link)Purity tests of any kind whether imposed by moderate Republicans on conservatives or by conservatives on moderates is a recipe for disaster. We need each other to win. See the front page article at www.marstonchronicles.info for a complete analysis.
Stop dancing around the periphery
twduke (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 11:08AM EST (link)The “Litmus Test” already exists. It is the Constitution and Amendments.
Grand ideas to change the world or create a “better” America belong in the private sector. Period. Our national politicians had better start to work on stopping/dismantling the decades of Federal expansionism, pushing issues back to the States, and educating our fellow citizens what their individual responsibilities/rights are.
Just like Fred said, and I’m paraphrasing, Let’s look at the issue to first decide if it falls within the domain of Government; if so, at what level: Local, State, Federal. And most importantly if it is not a government issue explain to public why!
The Constitution makes a poor test, unfortunately
tankertodd (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 1:40PM EST (link)In recent Facebook posting wars with liberals it became mega-clear to me that a lot of Americans don’t know jack about the Constitution. Perhaps a really important starting point with conservatives is to teach the Constitution.
I mean, one guy purported that the Preamble is the Constitutional legal basis for Obama healthcare – you know, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I told him, well a flat screen TV will make me happy, shouldn’t it be Constitutional to give me one? Then one of the other cats told me (like I was an idiot) that of course the Constitution guarantees rights for terrorists.
Who was it that said that the Constitution is not a suicide pact? Scalia right?
The Constitution is like Obama to a lot of people – an empty vessel to place their hopes and dreams. And pet projects.
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The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race – Chief Justice Roberts
55555!! Tanker, right on!
nessa (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 1:53PM EST (link)The poor General Welfare clause has got to be exhausted supporting all the crap it was never intended to. If the founding Fathers had any idea those words would be twisted like they have been they would have left them out completely.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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If we don't make it the test we have already lost.
twduke (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 9:34PM EST (link)It’s good to know I’m not the only one fighting in the facebook re-education camps. I understand the disallusionment with the constant struggle; however, we must insist on it being the starting point. I think that it would make great strides in the populations general knowledge.
What I am trying to lead to is less arguement and one-upmanship on who has the best plan for whatever the current wrinkle is, and more push back on why most issues don’t even fall under government purview or at least not Federal purview.
Declaration?
Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, January 27th at 10:15AM EST (link)Sounds like someone confused the Declaration with the Constitution.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Good catch!
tankertodd (Diary) Wednesday, January 27th at 3:04PM EST (link)The turds I was arguing with did make that confusion, and then so did I! I could have really nailed them, and lost the chance. Lesson learned.
The Preamble:
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
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The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race – Chief Justice Roberts
Dividing Line
1stRichard (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 11:22AM EST (link)Why can’t this be simplified, you step over the line you are tarred and fathered. We don’t need to make up any fancy list of do and don’t, this was already written a long time ago, it is known as the Constitution. The Conservative side and the Republican Party side should have the same perspective, an originalist perspective. This is not far right, it is centralist on the political spectrum.
“It is promote the general welfare and not provide. Healthcare is not in the enumerated powers thus the power goes to the 9th and 10th.”
The Constitution sets a clear dividing line in almost everything. You step over the line someone grabs you by the ear and marches you off to the woodshed.
Why is everyone trying to make this so complicated and rewrite everything?
Excellent post and comments.
jackokie Monday, January 25th at 11:58AM EST (link)1. I like all three debate formats. Lincoln-Douglas, then face-to-face, then Town Halls. That would allow the propositions to be put, debated by the candidates then followed up at town halls. NO MODERATORS / TV PERSONALITIES. I would limit the debates to two candidates at a time. They do not need to be sponsored – the two campaigns can organize them, with non-participation a huge red flag.
2. twduke: Amen! Federalism is the key. The only way forward is to roll back the federal government’s encroachment. We should repeal the 16th and 17 Amendments before proposing any other, although we need to find some way to reign in the SCOTUS. Perhaps 3/5s of the state supreme courts must concur within six months or so, with non-response = concurring.
3. Achance is spot on. Local media, local venues.
Let’s make it happen.
RE: #2
twduke (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 12:23PM EST (link)It’s interesting you bring that up as I have actually been contemplating a re-purposing of the filibuster. In order for bill to move forward in the House or Senate 75% of members should have to vote to affirm their understanding of its constitutionality. Let the politicians defend their actions to constituents armed with that information.
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Finrod (Diary) Monday, January 25th at 4:22PM EST (link)The GOP should avoid the term purity test (text, NSFW) for pretty much the same reason it dislikes the term teabaggers. (More such tests here. The origin of these tests predate the Web even; I remember seeing the 500q test back in 1989.
If you don’t understand why, follow the link and you’ll soon figure it out. Try reading through the 500-question purity test, for example.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
I like the part about denying the MSM talking points as long as
jayburd (Diary) Wednesday, January 27th at 3:42PM EST (link)it isn’t MSM appeasement. Then they will come up with ever more absurd talking points such as “Tea Partiers are nothing more than racists”. Thus MSM marginalizes itself.
Achance is right on- If “all politics is local” then all press should be local. Screw AP
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“What’s the matter? Don’t you want to win the war?” – Capt. John Birch
“If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill.
The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The
difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the
money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%.Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People.” – Thomas A. Edison