The Sunday Morning Talk Shows: The Review


Senator Richard Shelby isn't following Levin to Europe.

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On FOX News Sunday this morning, Senator Byron Doran said that the proposed bailout of the automotive companies was all about saving jobs. He said that the Senate Dems will not throw Joe Lieberman out of their caucus. Republican Senator Jon Kyl suggested that the bailout was unnecessary, as the automobile industry could reorganize under Chapter 11 like so many companies have done successfully in the past.

Explaining what a “Sam’s Club voter” is, on FNS, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty insisted that Americans shop at Sam’s Club, Costco, Target, and K-Mart because they have no money and must look for bargains. The federal government, he said, must be the same way. Michael Steele explained that he should be considered for RNC chairman because he brings a “different experience” to the table, that of a “grassroots guy” and a user of the internet.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, on ABC’s This Week, proclaimed that marriage was between a man and a woman but he should not force his opinion on those who want to alter the definition of marriage. He hopes Proposition 8 is overturned by the courts, and he will be consulting with “my lawyer,” Attorney General Moonbeam, about this.

On NBC’s Meet the Press, Michigan Senator Carl Levin said we should bail out the auto industry to save his constituents’ jobs and because Europe is doing it for their auto industry. Senator Richard Shelby said that he understands this will be tough on some people, but the bailout will be the beginning of out-of-control corporate welfare. “Money wasted,” he called it.

On CBS’ Face the Nation, Barney Frank said that his bailout package for the auto industry called for the industry to draft plans on how to improve themselves and to become more energy efficient. Senator Richard Shelby does not like the bailout at all: “Companies fail every day, and others take their place.”

Next on FTN, Newt Gingrich listed Republican governors who had done great things. He mentioned Sarah Palin only when asked, and he applauded her for energizing the party. Both Newt and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal avoided discussing social issues when prompted. (Do they think social conservatism is a loser with the broader electorate?)

On LE, Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez stressed that the viability of the auto companies was crucial in helping them. Governor Sarah Palin then deftly crossed Wolf Blitzer’s verbal mine field.

KYL AND DORGAN ON FNS. The first guests for FOX News Sunday host Mike Wallace were Republican Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona and Dem Senator Byron Dorgan of North Dakota. Dorgan admitted that he does not know if this lame duck Congress will vote to bailout the auto industry, but the banks have steered the country into a ditch and people will lose their jobs. He said that the bailout must take place, because America needs its manufacturing base. Kyl countered that this lame duck move was a “political setup,” as the Dems know it will not pass. Why, then, didn’t they wait until the next Congress? Kyl said that the auto companies have been “sick for a long time,” using a “bad business model,” and that the best thing for them, instead of a bailout, would be to reorganize under the Chapter 11 bankruptcy code. Dorgan insisted that the auto industry “has been turning a quarter,” and we cannot just “sit around and do nothing” because of all the jobs which will be lost if the auto manufacturers go out of business.

Senator Kyl said that the federal government would get the money for the proposed bailout by borrowing it or printing it. Dorgan continued with his plea for those out of work: “What do you do about the unemployed and the people about to lose their jobs?” He wants to “put people back on The Payroll,” doing such as building bridges and roads.

Wallace asked about Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. Kyl offered that she was a “good choice, at least superficially.” Dorgan said that she’d be an “excellent choice” and bring “instant global credibility.”

On Joe Lieberman, Dorgan said that the Senate Dem caucus will decide on Tuesday and he won’t “discuss the caucus on a television program.” “Joe” is his good friend, he insists, but supporting Republicans is unacceptable. Kyl said that if Lieberman caucuses with the Republicans, he would not change the way he votes. He would welcome Lieberman to the caucus. Dorgan interjected that the Dems would not throw Lieberman out of their caucus.

PAWLENTY AND STEELE ON FNS. Next up on FNS were Governor Tim Pawlenty and Michael Steele. Steele suggested that the Republicans fared poorly in the last election because they did not communicate an agenda, there was no voice of the party. Pawlenty, who had coined the term “Sam’s Club Voters,” assured that he thinks the GOP is a “conservative party” and will remain a conservative party. He said that the Republicans need to talk about education reform and accountability, renewable energy, market-based health care reform, etc. Wallace asked him if he were trying to pull the party away from social issues, and Pawlenty talked about the “Culture of Debt” in which we live requiring us to balance the budget. (I do not know if that we a play on “Culture of Death.”)

Steele told Wallace that his line, “drill, baby, drill,” was not an energy policy unto itself; rather, it is an “all on the table, everything included” idea. Pawlenty agreed with Steele, that “drill, baby, drill” is not, by itself, an energy policy.

Pawlenty explained that he coined the expression “Sam’s Club Voters” because Americans, when they have no money, are forced to shop at Sam’s Club, Costco, Target, and K-Mart. The federal government must be the same way.

Pawlenty wondered who the federal government would bail out next, and then asked who would bail out the federal government. He answered himself with a question: “The Chinese?”

Wallace asked if the Dems were trying to “steal the election” for Al Franken in Pawlenty’s home State of Minnesota. Pawlenty assured him that the five-member canvassing board would come to a fair conclusion with no fraud involved: “I can guarantee that.” (The fiercely partisan Dem Secretary of State, Mark Ritchie, picks the board, Pawlenty admitted, and the governor has no part in it.)

Wallace asked Steele to suggest why he should be selected to head the RNC. Steele answered that he brings a “different experience to the table.” He is a “grassroots guy,” mentioning his leadership of GOPAC as well as his history in the grassroots. He mentioned also that he’s a “big tech wonk,” admitting that he is often online until 2 AM, blogging and whatnot.

ARNOLD ON TW. On ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos talked to California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. The governor demanded another stimulus package from the federal government. He also demanded bailout money for California, complaining that “Washington is collecting from California so much money.” (Throw the cow over the fence some hay, he did not say but perhaps should have.) California gets back 80-cents of every dollar they send to DC, the governor let fly.

Arnold said that Americans need to be put back to work, rebuilding roads and bridges. America needs to restore its “global relations,” he said. He hopes the Court overturns Proposition 8, even though he agrees that a marriage is between a man and a woman; he just doesn’t feel he should force the definition of marriage on those who wish to alter it. That said, Schwarzenegger said that he does not think protesting and boycotting, like the gay marriage activists are doing, is the way to go about it. He will discuss his own next move with California Attorney General Jerry Brown, calling the erstwhile Governor Moonbeam, “my lawyer.”

SHELBY AND LEVIN ON MTP Tom Brokaw is still moderating NBC’s Meet the Press, and this morning he talked to Carl Levin and Richard Shelby about the auto industry and whether to bail it out with taxpayers’ money. Brokaw asked Senator Shelby if there were any conditions which would allow him to vote for the bailout. Shelby answered, “I haven’t seen ‘em yet, Tom.” He blamed the management of the companies for the lack of innovation and allowing the industry to become “a dinosaur, in a sense.” He said that the $25-billion proposed for the bailout would only “postpone the inevitable.” Brokaw then pedantically led Shelby through the job losses in the auto industry, the auto dealers, etc. Brokaw said that this was proof that it was a national problem. Shelby responded that it was a “national concern,” but it could become a national problem if we continued to throw money at industries that get themselves into trouble.

Levin declared that this was a national problem “without any question.” He discussed the impact of the auto industry on our economy, and he added that there was bipartisan support for the bailout, consisting of George Voinovich. He cited the example of the “European Community” (continental socialists) bailing out their industries, suggesting that the United States should emulate this example from the bureaucracies. Levin said that people are not buying cars because they are afraid. He did call for the government not to intrude so much into the operations of the auto industry as to require General Motors CEO Richard Wagner, who had nothing to do with the Ring Cycle, to resign. (Wagner has said that GM would not accept the bailout funds if he had to resign to do so.)

Levin insisted that the White House and Mitch McConnell wanted to bailout the auto industry and every European country with an industry was bailing out theirs. Brokaw asked Shelby if he had heard anything which would prevent him from mounting a filibuster, and Richard Shelby did not blink. He called the bailout, “money wasted.” They bailout the auto now, they’ll need more in the future, and more industries will become involved. It will be the beginning of corporate welfare.

BARNEY AND SHELBY ON FTN. On CBS’ Face the Nation, host Bob Schieffer talked “bailing out the Big Three, or not,” with Barney Frank and Richard Shelby. Barney said that the House Dems are ready to bailout the auto industry and pass a “broad stimulus package,” and he blamed Republicans for getting in the way. He said that there were three different bailout proposals. Barney doesn’t want to take the $25-billion for energy efficiency because he wants to use that for energy efficiency; he doesn’t want to take from the $700-billion as that’s for something else. He wants to give them more money. Period.

Shelby countered that the auto industry was lagging, and now the feds want to bail out a dinosaur. They need to refurbish themselves or start all over, not be propped up: “Companies fail every day, and others take their place.”

Barney said we might be able to tolerate a bankruptcy if there were more jobs in the economy. He said that his plan for the bailout would require the auto industry to draw up plans to improve themselves and to become more energy efficient. He said that there would be no dividend paid, no bonuses for people making over $250,000/year, and an “oversight board” would consist of leading officials in the Obama Administration.

Shelby said he would not support the bailout even if management stepped aside, but they had to go anyway. “They need to go.” They need to get competitive.

JINDAL AND NEWT ON FTN. Bob Schieffer next spoke with Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and Newt Gingrich.

Governor Jindal said that Republicans need to do three things to get back on track. They must control their spending; they must stop defending corruption; they must be the party which offers real solutions on such things as health care, the economy, and international issues.

Newt said that after the economic crisis, with President Bush on TV for 18 straight days, it was difficult for John McCain. He mentioned talented Republican governors: Jindal, Jon Huntsman, and Mark Sanford. Schieffer asked Jindal if it were a good thing for the Republican Party that such as Sarah Palin “stole the show” at the Republican governors’ conference. Palin talked about the success of the Republican governors but suggested that the GOP should be gracious and work across party lines when they can. Schieffer laughed again about Palin, and Jindal said that it was great that she was speaking out. Newt said that Palin was a real asset to the party, brings in new energy. He said we have to talk to Huntsman and Sanford and Barbour, etc., about what they are doing right. He said that Palin will be a big story in the short run, but as she goes back to Alaska, there will be a group of Republican emerges. He does not see Sarah Palin as, in Schieffer’s words, “the de facto leader of the Republican Party.”

Schieffer compared Ronald Reagan in 1984 with John McCain in 2008, the percentages of the women’s vote and the youth vote, the two got. Schieffer suggested that the GOP was dwelling too much on social issues. Newt said that you couldn’t compare Reagan’s largest victory with a Republican defeat. On the social issues, Newt came out against the bailout. Jindal talked about building majority coalitions to govern. People voted, in Schieffer’s paraphrase, against incompetence, not ideology.

They, especially Gingrich, were almost cavalier in avoiding the discussion of social issues, so perhaps the conventional wisdom among these people is that social issues are losers with the broader electorate.

GUTIERREZ ON LE. Wolf Blitzer’s first guest on CNN’s Late Edition was Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez. Gutierrez said that the “important step forward” taken at the G 20 meeting that they agreed to continue to work to strengthen the “free market, capitalist system.” Blitzer pointed out that Sarkozy and friends wanted more regulation, and Gutierrez said that there was a danger in “going to the extreme” and over-regulate.

Gutierrez said that the President does not propose taking from the $700-bilion to give to the automobile industry. He said that they should reword the section of the bill giving $25-billion for energy efficiency and grant the money as a bailout. He pointed out that if we don’t save the industry now, “there will be no green future.”

Gutierrez stressed that the companies must show a plan to become viable. Viability is critically important, he said.

Gutierrez said that “credit as at the heart of what we want to do” in creating jobs.

PALIN ON LE.Blitzer’s next guest on LE was Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. The questions were, in large part, seemingly written to solicit controversial responses. When she offered none, CNN and others had to make stuff up.

Blitzer pointed out that “this was a very historic moment” in our country. Governor Palin agreed, adding that Republicans had to reach out to Obama with their ideas. She is especially ready to work with him on energy independence.

Wolf asked her if she would sit on a commission if Obama asked her to do so, and she said that it would be her honor to do so.

Wolf brought it up, and she said that she was still concerned with Obama’s association with the terrorist Bill Ayers, and it is okay to talk about it, but the election is over and we have to move on. Blitzer asked her if she regretted saying that, and she does not. Wolf asked if it were her idea to mention Ayers or did someone write it for her, and she said it was a “collaborative effort.” She wanted to move on.

She said that while it is important for the federal government to secure companies whose failure would adversely affect our economy, it is time to start talking about “personal responsibility or management responsibility.” She wouldn’t commit on bailing out the auto industry or not, as she needed more information. (This, t was said, is how she should have answered the Gibson/Couric cabal on several points.)

Wolf asked what Governor Palin would like to see President Bush do in his last days in office. She answered that he’s already reached out to Obama. She said she was “going to give a shout-out to our President and thank him for” keeping our country safe from additional terrorist attacks. Wolf asked if she thanked him even though Bush cost her and McCain the election. Governor Palin wasn’t pointing fingers.

Wolf asked her if it were time to get rid of affirmative action, now that Obama was President. She suggested that there are some things to reexamine and move on and then discussed the positive nature of America having elected an African American President, with whom she’s ready to work.

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That’s what I heard this week.


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Obama AWOL from Debate on Big 3 Bailout

Augustus Sunday, November 16th at 3:30PM EST (link)

Isn’t it coincidental that the Messiah aka Barack Hussein Obama is resigning from the Senate on the eve of the Congressional debate on the Big 3 bailout. In fact, the Messiah doesn’t need to resign from the Senate until January 20, 2009. Once again, the Messiah wants to duck another important vote in his life. Heaven forbid if the Messiah should cast a vote that will piss off one of his two constituencies: the UAW or the environmental wackos from California.

Here, the Messiah has a wonderful opportunity to showcase his purported leadership skills by crafting a compromise in the Senate to aid the Big 3. Instead, the Messiah is going to be AWOL from the debate in the Senate to save his own political skin. Why am I not surprised.

He's also depriving the people of

Mark Kilmer (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 4:52PM EST (link)

Illinois of one of their Senate voices/votes. If Rahm-bo fails to take part on the House side, then the NW-side of Chicago will be deprived of its House voice.

You know, if the campaign were still ongoing, we could use this against him; as it is, we can shrug, shake our heads, and snicker.

When the going gets tough...

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 4:56PM EST (link)

…the ONE gets going!!

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 
 

Double speak from Arnold

fisk2521 Sunday, November 16th at 5:13PM EST (link)

Arnold Schwarzenegger, on ABC’s This Week, proclaimed that marriage was between a man and a woman but he should not force his opinion on those who want to alter the definition of marriage. He hopes Proposition 8 is overturned by the courts, and he will be consulting with “my lawyer,” Attorney General Moonbeam, about this.

Apparently Arnold doesn’t think the voters should have a say on his “belief” that marriage was between a man and a woman. Does it not occur to the man that a small minority of people are trying to force their opinion on the rest of the country? He is avoiding saying he opposes Prop 8 because he has future political aspirations…

What a way to sit the fence and take both sides at the same time. He MUST be considering a job in the Obama administration.

The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity; and worship without sacrifice.
Mahatma Gandhi

LDavis

 

My 2012 Prediction

Augustus Sunday, November 16th at 5:20PM EST (link)

I predict that when the Messiah is campaigning in Michigan for reelection in 2012 that he is going to brag about how he would have voted for the Big 3 bailout if only he had been still in the Senate. This gutless coward will find any excuse to avoid a tough vote even if his life depended on it.

Arnold will abet the "crime" so long as his fingerprints aren't on the weapon

civil truth (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 6:09PM EST (link)

On the one hand, Arnold wants credit for personally believing in traditional marriage.

On the other hand, Arnold is perfectly okay with egging on the courts to overturn Proposition 8 and thereby imposing gay marriage against the majority vote.

His statement of “not forcing his opinion on those who want to alter the definition of marriage” that he supposed believes in is a wonderful example of newspeak.

First, note the dishonest use of “alter” rather than “repeal”. We’re not talking about changing the age of marriage or consanguinity limitations, we’re talking about a fundamental redefinition.

In any case, not forcing his opinion on those who want to change means that his “personal belief” means that he is unwilling to allow a majority of the electorate to defend the traditional definition (which he supposedly agrees with) against a minority who want to change it.

Isn’t this the definition of a “girlie man” – to use Arnold’s own words.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 
 

Isn't Arnold declaring an intention to suborn a state official

civil truth (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 6:14PM EST (link)

he will be consulting with “my lawyer,” Attorney General Moonbeam, about this.

Sorry, the attorney general is not the governor’s lawyer. Rather, the CA AG is elected by the voters to carry the duties of his office.

And one of the duties of his office, I believe, is to defend initiatives that have been approved by voters in court. That derives from defending the laws of the state, which Proposition 8 represents upon passage.

Thus for Arnold to consult with the AG as to how to overturn the initiative is soliciting him to violate his official duties.

And that would be a crime.

Comments from lawyers appreciated.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 

Sam's Club voters??

Erick Brockway (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 7:53PM EST (link)

Explaining what a “Sam’s Club voter” is, on FNS, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty insisted that Americans shop at Sam’s Club, Costco, Target, and K-Mart because they have no money and must look for bargains.

‘Scuse me, but I shop for deals not because I’m broke and have no other choice. I shop for deals because why the heck pay more if I don’t have to?
Maybe Pawlenty can go to Gelson’s or whatever passes for high-end grocery in the Midwest. In fact, if he shops at all I’ll be surprised.

Sounds like a Blue Blood Republican.

 

I wondered about that too? Most of the shoppers in Sam's aren't "broke!"

mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 8:21PM EST (link)

I’d love to know where he buys food from! I wonder if he has ever been in Sam’s? Where do they shop or do they have housekeepers that shop for them? Do they eat out all of the time? Who cooks for their kids?

That statement reminded me of the man who publicized living off of food stamps for a week, and when he got to the store a customer commented that he basically didn’t know how to shop!

 

Bad Plan to Bail Out

Palinpal Sunday, November 16th at 8:41PM EST (link)

Talk of bailing out Detroit’s auto industry only brings to mind a recent “Onion” article debating the best method for the government to pursue while throwing piles of money into a large hole.

It’s not about jobs: it’s about Democrats beholden to corrupt labor unions and trying to turn them a favor.

The leftist illuminati should not be allowed to get away with this: the labor unions have well-known ties to the mob. The Democrats in Congress should not let themselves be held hostage.

That was my reaction, as well.

Mark Kilmer (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 8:55PM EST (link)

People drop into Target or K-Mart, etc., because they’re convenient, they have the stuff they need,and because of they can use any savings for something else. Shopping for deals is the American way. That is what keeps capitalism on its toes.

I think it was a poor choice of words on Pawlenty’s part, and I also doubt he shops himself.

Images of mob bosses in smoke filled rooms...

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 8:59PM EST (link)

…bringing in piles of cash from their friends at UAW to use to

pay of the politicians that gave it to them in the first place.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Arnold's future political aspirations

FrankAtl Sunday, November 16th at 9:19PM EST (link)

He is indeed double-speaking but it’s pretty clear that he plans to defeat Prop 8, through the courts.

Opposition to SSM is only going to weaken. Proponents of “strong traditional marriages” are going to seek other means of insuring family strength besides limiting the freedom of their fellow citizens. He may believe that he is positioning himself well with younger voters.

But Arnold would be wise to be more forthright. He should have tried to influence voters, not the judges.

 
 
 
 

Obama votes present on auto bailout

septembergurl (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 9:29PM EST (link)

but he has been promoting it. Obviously the unions are pulling his strings. And what of Joe the Biden? He’s still in the Senate, isn’t he? Hey, has anyone seen Joe lately?

I am happy to read Mark’s wonderful accounts of these shows as I now have no reason to watch…however I did catch a bit of MTP. Brokaw was interviewing Boone Pickens re his wind farm, now apparently….inoperative.

Pickens admitted his wind farm was shelved for now until he got some equity or something…falling oil prices are putting the kibosh on his idiotic plan. Brokaw asked him about The One and how we would achieve energy independence.

Pickens remarked that Obama has said we will be independent of foreign oil in ten years. Proof?

“He [Obama] must have a plan, or he would not have made the statement.”

Right.

I guess Pawlenty must really be clueless..

charliej (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 9:29PM EST (link)

He obviously hasn’t checked with my wife (and probably lots of other women and men) on why she/they shop there.

Convenience and product mix count; and what’s wrong with being a savy shopper?

He’s apparently either a snob or just looks down on us; guess I just repeated myself.

Will the gay marriage issue hurt business in CA?

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 9:33PM EST (link)

CalChamber Releases 2008 Business Climate Study; Issues California Economic Performance Scorecard

The California Business Executives Attitudes survey was conducted between May 12 – 21, 2008. There were 1,113 California business executives polled.

Of those polled, 23% said that the state was headed in the right direction while 77% said the state is on the wrong track.

The survey asked employers to assess the disadvantages of doing business in California. 42% of respondents believed too much government regulation was a primary factor in creating a disadvantage for California companies.

A huge majority (90%) of business leaders believe that the state budget situation is an extremely or very serious issue. Overall, employers see spending as the primary culprit in creating the budget deficit, and spending cuts as the solution, with 73% indicating opposition to any tax increases and 27% indicating that taxes should be part of the mix.

The 2008 scorecard indicates that California’s economic performance ranks 38th among the fifty states.

Specifically, the scorecard shows that California is consistently one of the lowest performing states in educational achievement, has consistently maintained one of the lowest per capita housing ratios in the country, has a crime rate above the national average, and has a tax burden slightly greater than the national average.

So, roving mobs in the street, beating drums about Prop 8, certainly does not help anything.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Gay Marriage Will Hurt Party

dld1717 (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 9:48PM EST (link)

I have said it a lot but gay marriage is short term gain for our party and its going to hurt us in long run

Obama quit the Senate

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 9:49PM EST (link)

He is a lame duck himself. Why he quit this early is a telling sign. He will defer all involvement with the tough issues until he becomes the president. Even then I can hear him now explaining that the president can only do so much. Good luck to him when he needs the help of republicans. Of course he will do everything that is in his control to get rid of as many republicans and opposition as possible.

You know that expression – “You own the problem”.
Obama will get to own many new exciting problems to solve.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Keep gay marriage as states issue...

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 9:59PM EST (link)

…the republicans should always distant themselves from states
issues. Statement should be:
“The people have spoken. Gay marriage is a state to state issue and the federal government should not get involved.”
If Arnold keeps bringing the courts in to overturn a vote how will that play with the electorate?

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Recall Anyone?

TCH Sunday, November 16th at 10:04PM EST (link)

Considering the last idiot Californians elected to the governor’s mansion, Grayout Davis, and that he was removed by recall petition, I wonder if Governor Squirminator is going to meet a similar fate?

With 52 percent of the electorate voting to ban homosexual “marriage,” any politico attempting to subvert the will of the people would be political toast. Maybe Arnold will appeal his recall to the court.

When will Americans finally say “enough,” and do something terribly unpleasant and permanent to these judicial activists? I think it is high time we put the fear of God into these black-robed oligarchs.

Another redneck clinging to guns and religion.

TBP was looking for handouts

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 10:15PM EST (link)

His whole move to WIND is only to cash in on Govt handouts and the Green push. He’s made his money in Oil and now sees opportunity to divert Govt funds to his pockets. I DO NOT believe he has any interest but his own in any ENERGY debate.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

Let's All Remember This Remark

TCH Sunday, November 16th at 10:25PM EST (link)

An ignorant comment like that from any GOP politico is enough for me to to vote against the weasel at the next cycle. I hope people have a long memory. Conservatives need to wake up, and throw a moron like Pawlenty out on his ear. I am so fed up with these RINO butt wipes and their infantile commentary. These dopes need to get torched or we will never reclaim the GOP.

Another redneck clinging to guns and religion.

We should be keeping ALL ISSUES as States Issues

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 10:31PM EST (link)

Get the Federal Government out of all State business.

Why has the RULE CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE argument all but disappeared!?!?!

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Darn it, Arnie...

drothgery Sunday, November 16th at 10:44PM EST (link)

… arguing Prop 8 is unconstitutional is absurd, and you know it. So was the court decision that overturned Prop 22, for that matter; if gay marriage weren’t a pet cause for the left (and therefore one that gets judges to rule by their personal views rather than by the law on the books), prop 22 would never have been overturned.

The fact is that to legalize gay marriage in CA, you need to explicitly pass an initiative (and have since prop 22 passed). I’d even vote for it, except that I’m probably moving out of CA next year. But you can’t declare a state constitutional admemenment unconstitutional by the state constitution, and there’s no way federal law or the US constitution can be construed as requiring gay marriage to be legal.

No way on recall

civil truth (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 1:10AM EST (link)

The Democrats are very happy to have a Republican governor to kick around the next two years so that they can make a full-court press in 2010 to get a Democratic governor and 2/3rds control of both legislatures, which will give them full control.

With the state in fiscal meltdown, the last thing they want is a Democratic govenor. Better to blame the Republicans.

And if the Republicans try to recall the only Republican to hold statewide office, they’re signing their own DNR order – the state party is already on life support.

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No need to recall him

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 1:19AM EST (link)

We already bypassed him on the last budget deal. We should just ignore him.

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I was a retread named Zombie Flanders / randomkid. Monday, November 17th at 2:01AM EST (link)

but as a poor college student I wouldn’t buy a lot of the stuff I buy at big box stores elsewhere, due to money concerns. So this is pretty accurate I suppose. I wouldn’t starve or anything without them, but much stuff beyond necessities I only get there.

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EastCoastObserver Monday, November 17th at 12:03PM EST (link)

He hasn’t been silent on the issue. I’m sure he has stated that something must be done and brought it up to President Bush at their last meeting. He also wants Congress to get something done about it, along with an economic stimulus plan, in the lame duck session.

And his resigning isn’t because he wants to get out of a debate, but because he is in the middle of a huge transition with the Bush administration now. There is a conflict of tact when the President-Elect walks into the Senate and starts pushing for legislation. Its a separation of powers issue. Your missing the point on the overall context of the situation and condescendingly calling him “Messiah” every other word just makes you look crazy.

…and if McCain had won the election he would have more than likely done the same thing. The last Senator to win a presidency, JFK, resigned about a month before his inauguration.

sure bet, on his part

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 12:34AM EST (link)

with both candidates being pro- Cap-and-Trade oriented. He and the Gore crowd are sure to have Govt funds funneled heavily their direction now with all Liberal/Democrats in control.

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