The Hotline On Call this morning reports a “Draft Michael Steele” effort to elevate the former Maryland lt. governor to the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee. The online petition is being pushed by Steele friend Tony Marsh and his consulting firm, Marsh Copsey + Associates:
To rebuild the Republican Party, we need to broaden our outreach to new audiences with messages of conservative principles and values. Ronald Reagan won because he was able to bring a broad coalition of interests together under a ‘big tent.’
Michael Steele is the kind of leader that will rekindle Ronald Reagan’s legacy and translate it to the current political landscape. As RNC Chairman he will focus on what unites us, not on what divides us.
Michael Steele has the vision and the experience to lead the Republican Party in the 21st century. Michael Steele is a true Conservative who has served the GOP with distinction as a former State Party Chairman, as Lieutenant Governor of Maryland, as a Senatorial Candidate and as current GOPAC Chairman. An artful public speaker, Mr. Steele can articulate our vision to the American people and inspire Republicans everywhere.
He will make being a Republican a source of pride once again.
It is “rebuild” rather than “tear down and start over.” This is an important distinction.
Governor Ronald Reagan gave a partisan speech to the California Republican Assembly at the Lafayette Hotel in Long Beach on April 1, 1967. He said, in part:
We discovered we could no longer afford the luxury of internal fighting, backbiting and throat-cutting. We discovered our philosophical difference with those presently in power was greater than any grudge or split within our own ranks. Were ready and in position to offer an alternative for those concerned citizens who wanted to join with others, not to win a contest, but to preserve a way of life.
We must keep the door open – offering our party as the only practical answer for those who, overall, are individualists. And because this is the great common denominator – this dedication to the belief in man’s aspirations as an individual – we cannot offer them a narrow sectarian party in which all must swear allegiance to prescribed commandments.
Such a party can be highly disciplined, but it does not win elections. This kind of party soon disappears in a blaze of glorious defeat, and it never puts into practice its basic tenets, no matter how noble they may be.
The Republican Party, both in this state and nationally, is a broad party. There is room in our tent for many views; indeed, the divergence of views is one of our strengths.
Indeed. But Governor Reagan cautioned/reassured his partisan audience:
Let no one, however, interpret this to mean compromise of basic philosophy or that we will be all things to all people for political expediency.
In our tent will be found those who believe that government was created by “We, the People;” that government exists for the convenience of the people and we can give to government no power we do not possess as individuals; that the citizen does not earn to support the government, but supports a government so that he may be free to earn; that, because there can be no freedom without law and order, every act of government must be approved if it makes freedom more secure and disapproved if it offers security instead of freedom.
Within our tent, there will be many arguments and divisions over approach and method and even those we choose to implement our philosophy. Seldom, if ever, will we raise a cheer signifying unanimous approval of the decisions reached. But if our philosophy is to prevail, we must at least pledge unified support of the ultimate decision. Unity does not require unanimity of thought.
And here is the challenge to you. It is the duty and responsibility of the volunteer Republican organizations, not to further divide, but to lead the way to unity. It is not your duty, responsibility of privilege to tear down, or attempt to destroy, others in the tent. As duly chartered Republican organizations, we can all advance our particular sectarianism or brand of candidates for the party to pass on openly and freely in a primary election.
I can add only that there are those who, through their words and/or actions, have left this tent.
The next RNC chairman should have the then-governor’s words in mind, along with the realization that the governor who so uttered went on to become President of the United States. The words are proven instructions for electoral success.
Is Michael Steele the man to bring the party back to this sound philosophy? If we want the GOP back, we have to stop simpering and navel-gazing and get on with it.
Again, here’s the petition if you agree with Ronald Reagan and you think Mike Steele is the man to guide the party apparatus through this dramatic redefinition back to an ideal which worked.
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
Michael Steele is not the man
Bob_Frazier (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 2:35PM EST (link)Michael Steele is a member of the Republican Leadership Council. The brainchild of Christine Todd Whitman. From their website:
“Inspired by a drive to get back to the fundamentals of the Republican Party, Senator John Danforth, Lt. Governor Michael Steele, and Governor Christine Todd Whitman created the political organization the Republican Leadership Council, which advocates for the historic Republican principles of liberty, individual responsibility, and personal freedom.”
Read pro-abortion and social liberalism.
I wrote about this group in a blog on Redstate over a year ago. These are the people who have led the Republican party into the terrible position it is now.
If you want more of the last eight years, then support Steele. But know what you are doing.
I Like Steele
BigGator5 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 2:38PM EST (link)I like Steele, he didn’t let race rule his politics.
coughPowellcough
If Newt Gingrich doesn’t want the job, then I’ll support Michael Steele.
Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)

Newt Gingrich FTW
finaljeopardy Tuesday, November 11th at 2:44PM EST (link)He already says he wants the job. He’s already done the job well, and we need him. He’s been very supportive of the next generation of Republicans, and he excels at mentoring and managing. Newt Gingrich!
The biggest tents
ColoKid Tuesday, November 11th at 2:57PM EST (link)are usually reserved for three-ring circuses.
The size of the tent isn’t as important as what goes on inside it. If enough people are attracted by what’s inside, the size of the tent can always be increased later.
The tent could cover Texas...
Erick Brockway (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 3:03PM EST (link)…if what’s in the tent isn’t Conservative, it won’t get elected.
Even in California, the number of people who say they’re Democrat but in thought are conservative amazes me.
Democrat Lite didn’t win the Oval Office this year, it won’t in another four either.
Hopefully they keep all this in mind.
Note to lefties;
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.” -Ronald Reagan
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Ha!
Dave (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 3:22PM EST (link)Steele is anti-abortion and a strong catholic. I find it funny that you compare him to Whitman, where was Whitman this election? Steele crisscrossed the country for the good of the party, thats the kind of man I want running the RNC.
People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.” – Goldwater
RNC: Steele considers, Gingrich declines
Hammer2008 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 3:23PM EST (link)This from FoxNEWS, says Michael Steele is considering a run and seeking Newt’s endorsement, as he has declined a run:
Meanwhile, Michelle Malkin is running this blub and a poll re Newt for RNC Chair
Draft Michael Steele website
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Too much noise! “Noise! You’ll have noise enough before long. The Regulars are coming out.” ~ Paul Revere (April 18th, 1775′s eve…)
I like Michael Steele, the person...
Rapunzel46 Tuesday, November 11th at 3:25PM EST (link)… but if he is aligned with Whitman, then he is a big no in my book. As of now, I still lean Newt and his massive mailing list from drill here drill now… to start using the internet to reach out to voters in the GOP.
Just got this...
jcheney Tuesday, November 11th at 3:28PM EST (link)from Hip Hop Republican
Nominate Michael Steele web site
link:
http://www.draftmichaelsteele.com/forward?path=node/1
On Fox
SteveLA (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 3:30PM EST (link)I’ve caught Steele on Fox a few times and find him to be an excellent spokesman, even standing up to Combs in a way that shut that idiot down.
If Newt is not interested, Steele would be great as the RNC chair, not sure who else would or should be considered.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
rofl
Hammer2008 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 3:35PM EST (link)SwingCounty, thank you. You beat me to making the same comments. Note the picture and comment I posted below.
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Too much noise! “Noise! You’ll have noise enough before long. The Regulars are coming out.” ~ Paul Revere (April 18th, 1775′s eve…)
I'm impressed...
mikefisk (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 3:35PM EST (link)…character assassination in the first comment! Way to go!
Honestly, at the rate the GOP has presented itself the past two elections, I think even Christie Todd Whitman would be a marked improvement over the status quo.
Sadly, when Republican lines of succession are drawn, the status quo seems to usually win.
“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” – Michael Fisk
9.25, -4.77
Steele is pro life
Hoover Tuesday, November 11th at 3:41PM EST (link)Check this article.
http://www.nationalreview.com/miller/miller200408311251.asp
I look forward to Steele running the show...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 3:44PM EST (link)and here are 10 things you may not know about him
Michael Steele great choice to run the RNC
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Steele FTW
xander569 Tuesday, November 11th at 3:45PM EST (link)As a Maryland resident again living under the dictatorship that is the Democrat party in Maryland, I have to say the years under Ehrlich and Steele were a miracle.
Michael Steele is a great answer to Barack Obama, and man, the black people wouldn’t know who to vote for!
Steele would be the smart choice...
TxCon (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 3:51PM EST (link)therefore I don’t expect the GOP to do it.
Are there not others to consider?
Huan (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:06PM EST (link)i like steele, and would prefer him over newt
today’s WSJ posted articles by Steele, Danny Vargas, Richard Land, Henry Olson, and Peter Robinson. Of these I thought Vargas had the best sense of where we should go.
here is Steele:
here is Vargas:
both messages are pretty good, but the difference appears to be Steele wants to rebuild the party, Vargas wants a to make the party ideas more appealing. We need both. Vargas is not running but i like what he had to say.
the enemy of good is perfect
Not liking the implications
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:10PM EST (link)The term “big tent” is usually used by those who want to squeeze social conservatives out.
To the extent that the GOP has strayed from fiscal conservatism, I think we need to rebuild that leg of the party. Most social conservatives support the re-establishment of fiscal responsibility. I am very worried that there is a small group wanting to used rebuilding one leg to cut off another. I want to see how Steele addresses all legs before completely judging him, however using terms like “big tent” sets off warning signals to me.
LOL
nogyro35 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:11PM EST (link)Sounds like a real bad cold you have there.
Great! I wanted Micheal Steele in from the beginning!
ZootSuit (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:12PM EST (link)I have been arguing for the past year or two that Steele is the perfect head for the RNC. He is a solid conservative who can articulate conservative principles but — for good and for bad — he does give off the “my way or the highway” vibe that many conservative Republicans do.
As someone who lived in Maryland during his years as the GOP Party Chairman there, I can tell you that Steele knows how to organize and inspire the GOP. The only time that the GOP had any life in Maryland was when he was heading the party.
***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!
As a Steele supporter ...
ZootSuit (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:17PM EST (link)I agree that he is a great choice but I think your comments that “Michael Steele is a great answer to Barack Obama, and man, the black people wouldn’t know who to vote for” is misguided at best and pandering at worst.
***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!
Steele is an inspired choice!
J. Leg (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:19PM EST (link)Michael Steele should have been RNC Chairman two years ago, if it was not for the stupid idea Karl Rove (with all due respect to Karl, I think he’s a good guy) had to make Mel Martinez the chairman when as a US Senator he couldn’t even run the day to day operations. It was a move to appeal to the Hispanic vote that failed miserably. Mike Duncan was the rightful RNC chairman and Martinez stepped down.
Steele knows the party inside and out, he’s traveled across the country raising money for Republican candidates. He appeals to both conservatives and to moderates and he’s got great ideas on how to make the party great again! I trust that Steele would look to people like Newt Gingrich, Fred Thompson and others being thrown around on ideas to stengthen our party. He can rally the base, as he did in his phenomenal speech to the Republican Convention this summer and came up with the catch phrase, “Drill, Baby, Drill.”
The bonus is Steele is an African-American, which is a huge plus for our party as we try and escape the image of being the party of the “over 40 Christian gun-owning white male.”
economic issues
kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:21PM EST (link)Are going to be paramount in the future. And should have been in the recent past.
Too bad we had party leaders who loved big government, subsidies to big business, and huge deficits.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
LOL
nogyro35 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:22PM EST (link)I somehow found myself laughing at this.
I guess with all the optimism generated by the new leaders in out Party, the pessimist in me decided it wanted to be heard.
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J. Leg (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:23PM EST (link)It’s pretty insulting actually. Blacks vote for Democrats because Democrats have done a better job reaching out to them, listen to them, etc.
Really, The GOP and African Americans have alot in common (as we always have, back to the GOP being formed in part to abolish slavery.) but we have not done a good job in reaching out to their community over the past 40 years.
Making Michael Steele our chairman would be a historic step forward for our party, not just because he’s black, but he’s also the best man for the job.
I agree with you Zoot - surprise
pilgrim (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:34PM EST (link)What I especially remember and like about Steele when he ran for the US Senate is that he refused to take any crap from the media. He seemed to be able to make them look silly and petty, and he did not apologize for his core beliefs.
Bob is right.
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:37PM EST (link)Bob is right. Check out their website:
RLC about us
Look at their partners:
RLC partners
GreenGOP, Log Cabin Republicans, Main Street Coalitions, and ….
Planned Parenthood Republicans for Choice!
Republicans for Choice!
and Republican Majority for Choice!
I think you must rebuild in order to create appeal.
nogyro35 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:40PM EST (link)Because we have proven over the past decade that we will not do what we say, we cannot just say new stuff and expect anyone to believe us.
We must rebuild and that means new leadership that does not have a track record of preaching conservative ideals while governing liberally and dishonestly.
New leadership will have new ways of “packaging” Reaganomics, because they are not Reagan, Gingrich, etal.
We will also have the added advantage of laying the foundation upon which we will rebuild, because we are at rock bottom right now. The foundation must be the conservative Christian ideals that started us on the road to the majority many years ago.
Of course this will take time (maybe a very long time), so if you want to do something right now, try throwing everything, including the kitchen sink, at the Democrats.
Big tent can also mean
TxCon (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:47PM EST (link)reaching out to those who are conservative at heart but have voted Democrat for their whole voting lives. At least that is how I want it defined. We need to showing these people that you don’t need government to be successful. The very groups responsible for passing Prop 8 in California also overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Something doesn’t add up in that equation.
misleading
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 4:57PM EST (link)They use the term “big tent” because it sounds nice, but their definition is different from what you think it means. This is a typical liberal tactic. See, for example, the terms, “bipartisan”, “bilingual education”, and “for the children”.
Hire the Resume
kingfish Tuesday, November 11th at 5:01PM EST (link)Newt. Hire the resume. Resume’s rarely lie. The best one belongs to Newt. He’s been there, done that, and knows how to do it again. Newt can be drafted into running for RNC Chair.
By the way, Duncan is looking at running for another term.
His silence on the recent inside hack job of Palin shows why he is completely unfit for that job.
But does Steele's willingness to talk to
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:06PM EST (link)these Republicans disqualify him, a pro-life conservative, from running the party? What Reagan said is that while it was important that the party and its leadership be conservative, we have to allow for differences of opinion on the specifics. The party members — the base — will sort it out in the primaries.
Or do you find Reagan passe? Remember, his Republican Party was a winner.
Mark, I think the better question is whether he endorses there views...
Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:12PM EST (link)In my view I think it is fine to talk to them about their positions but if he begins a full endorsement of their views which conflict with traditional conservative views we have a problem.
So does he endorse their views?
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
His comment could be interpeted as
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:13PM EST (link)something like this: “Michael Steele at the RNC would be the lie to the Dem assertion that the GOP excludes people of color.” With that interpretation, I agree with him.
People like Steele and, say, JC Watts and Ken Blackwell ought to be among the leading voices in our party and the nation ought to know that they are and see them taking part in running the party.
Read the Reagan speech I quoted.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:21PM EST (link)That’s the “big tent.”
Lee Atwater used the term in 1989 to say, basically, that though the GOP was a pro-life party, there ought not to be a single-issue litmus test for the banner. That is what Reagan said, although he added that these matters will sort themselves out in the primary elections.
Newt's great....
J. Leg (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:27PM EST (link)and I wouldn’t mind if he became the RNC chair, but he recognizes that he is a better ideas person and that’s why he’s throwing his support behind Steele and pledging to help him in any way he can.
Steele and Gingrich working together? Talk about power players! This team is going to resisitate the GOP and then some!
Exactly
Darcy Tuesday, November 11th at 5:35PM EST (link)This isn’t just a question of talking to people. He apparently helped create the RLC, which is an organization that basically supports ignoring social issues, which in turn means taking a functionally pro-abortion position. And this isn’t the only ambiguity in his record on life issues. He also seems to oppose overturning Roe v. Wade (see the 4th and last quotes at that link). If that’s the case, calling himself pro-life doesn’t mean much more than being personally opposed to abortion, which is politically meaningless.
Darcy...be aware you speak for yourself....
Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:44PM EST (link)I was literally asking the question of whether or not he is endorsing or merely being respectful of their positions. You did not answer that question.
Anyhow I want to be clear that at this point I can’t really make a decision on Steele as the chairman. On the face of it, I believe he would be a valuable asset…but as always the devil is in the details.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Newt kind of lost me..
Putter (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:45PM EST (link)when he started pandering to the global warming crowd. At least, I hope it was just pandering. He does have a lot of good ideas but, every now and then, he throws a wild pitch. He needs a copy editor.
Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies…
He endorses some of their views,
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:51PM EST (link)as do I. He does not endorse other of their views.
They each are, or claim to be, fiscal conservatives. They believe in “abortion rights.” Michael Steele does not.
Michael Steele would run the Republican Party apparatus; Christine Todd Whitman would not. The base of the party would endorse Michael Steele for higher office; the base would not endorse Whitman.
Emanuel and Schumer, who by some accounts hated each other, accepted Dem candidates who did not toe the party line on every issue. Moderate Dems. They gained their majorities and can better push their agenda.
Their agenda is bad for the country and bad for individual citizens, so the GOP needs to gain back the majorities. That will mean accepting into the party those who are not straight-line conservatives. We won’t let them believe that the GOP is the party of conservatism.
The GOP is the best vehicle for implementing conservative ideals only if it is in a position to implement them.
Since
LawSchoolRed Tuesday, November 11th at 6:07PM EST (link)when did we become a litmus test party? Newt’s not good enough because he happens to think there is some merit to global warming? Steele’s not pure enough becauase he hangs out with moderate conservatives? Did you see how we have gotten beat in the last two elections? If either of those two want to head our party I am all for it. Forget about the litmus tests. Isn’t that same thing that the Dems did to oust Joe Lieberman because he disagreed with them on one issue, a move we all ridiculed the Kos crowd for. Last I checked if you want someone that agrees with you 100% of the time, get out from behind your keyboard and run for office yourself, until then accept that Steele and or Newt would make fantastic candidates.
I signed on.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 6:10PM EST (link)If the RNC elects Newt as chairman, our insignificance will only increase.
I like what Newt did in 1994. I don’t like what Newt’s been doing since 2004.
Time to bring in some new players.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
Michael, we need closed primary elections
Nixons_The_One (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 6:12PM EST (link)Michael Steele would be a terrific choice for GOP chairman. I would like to see Michael work closely with Newt Gingrich on strategy, Newt has an amazing mind for politics. The obvious downside to Newt Gingrich would be the MSM and the Obamunists pointing to the GOP as “Gingrich’s party”. We beat them on ideas, when they cannot label us.
Mr. Steele, we need closed primary elections in all 50 states for the 2012 election.
Michael, we need closed primary elections
Nixons_The_One (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 6:13PM EST (link)Michael Steele would be a terrific choice for GOP chairman. I would like to see Michael work closely with Newt Gingrich on strategy, Newt has an amazing mind for politics. The obvious downside to Newt Gingrich would be the MSM and the Obamunists pointing to the GOP as “Gingrich’s party”. We beat them on ideas, when they cannot label us.
Mr. Steele, we need closed primary elections in all 50 states for the 2012 election.
Dont drink the Media koolaid
Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 6:30PM EST (link)I don’t know why people say Newt is washed up or not electable (KnownFact). I say that is a sign that many have drank the media kool aid. (See the media bias thread or GDS, Gingrich Derangement Syndrome)
He is every bit of persuasive, knowledgeable than he ever was.
The public doesn’t even know who the heck Newt is, other than those that have seen him on Fox as a contributor.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
Are you kidding??
Grump642 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 6:40PM EST (link)No offense meant, but I think this kind of thinking got us where we are today.aka Snow from ME. We are talking about a potential leader for the party that the conservative movement belongs to. With that in mind, I think “our” leader HAS to be a true conservative. I remember hearing some of his ads. They were very, very good. Funny, innovative, and showed he can think, or hire those who can, outside the box. This is what we need.
Of course
Darcy Tuesday, November 11th at 6:42PM EST (link)I never said I spoke for you. I simply endorsed what you said, and I think I pretty clearly added something. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. Just to be clear on what I intended to add to what you said: 1. There is in fact no question about whether he endorses the RLC, which clearly has its own positions, apart from any questions about its partners. He is part of the foundation of the RLC, so clearly he shares their vision. 2. There was already some basis in his political record to indicate that he might sympathize with such a group.
It is not a loyalty test,,
Putter (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 6:43PM EST (link)it is a sanity test. (I posted most of this in another thread, so forgive the repetition.) If our exhalations will kill us, he has lost his marbles. Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that Al Gore is right. A mathematical impossibility, but let’s go with it. We are all doomed if Kyoto ever catches on. If CO2 is truly a greenhouse gas, then the worst thing that could be done is to carve out any exception for “developing countries” like India.
Nothing would be more destructive to the planet than our immediate cessation of the use of fossil fuels. If there was an economically viable alternate, it would already be here. The person who develops something cheaper will make Bill Gates look like a pauper. Until there is something cheaper, all this discussion is pointless.
Let’s just say we developed a car that cost a mere $2.00 to take a Ford Excursion 40 miles. Congress mandates that we adopt this technology for the good of the planet. We are well and truly screwed. World demand for oil just dropped 25%, where does the price go? It goes as far as it has to go to be profitable again. The middle East has little industry beyond oil. Yes, it really could go back to 50 cents for a gallon of gas if that is the sweet spot.
It is true that if oil is a finite resource, eventually the new technology will be more attractive. The problem is that the “developing” countries will burn the stuff until it is nearly exhausted. We at least have some clean air laws. In China, the air is already toxic. Imagine 20 years of bargain basement oil prices.
We are not as efficient as China, but we are about as efficient as we can be without killing our population. We are still the most efficient producers of food in the world. In short, fossil fuels will be consumed until near exhaustion. Unless developing countries have to follow the same rules as us, Kyoto would mean BOTH our economic and environmental doom. How many jobs go to India if their energy prices drop even 20%?? If fossil fuels must be burned, we are the best people to burn them. At least we will do it in a clean and efficient manner.
This is simple supply and demand. If it is not obvious by now, the only coherent argument in favor of the Kyoto Protocol is redistribution of wealth. Why should we offer “incentives” (your money) for GM to build cars that may be cleaner, but will ultimately result in no world wide change whatever? We have a full house and the rest of the world wants a “new deal”. No thanks, I’ll stand on these.
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The GOP needs to soften its abortion stance
Chekote Tuesday, November 11th at 6:53PM EST (link)It is an article of faith among many in the GOP community that the party’s strict pro-life stance – i.e, the Human Life Amendment plank of the GOP party platform – is an electoral winner. That may be the case in the South but evidence suggests that if the GOP wants to expand its geographical footprint, it needs to soften its stance on abortion. Just take a look at two recent efforts to ban abortion: South Dakota and Colorado. In South Dakota, the ballot initiative called for a ban on all abortions in the state except in cases where mother’s life or health is at risk or in cases of rape or incest for pregnancies of less than 20 weeks. It failed 55% to 45%. Here is the link for additional information:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#SDI01
In Colorado, the Human Life from the Moment of Conception which called for the definition the term “person” to include “any human being from the moment of fertilization. This mirrors the HLA language and it was defeated by a stunning margin of 73% to 23%. Here is the link for more information:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#COI02
I find it extremely interesting that the conservative blogs, talk shows – while all pointing to the success of Proposition 8 in California as evidence that conservatism is in touch with the American people – all have ignored the results of the abortion measures discussed above. It is time that the GOP faces facts. The fact is that the American people does not want to ban all abortions. The fact is that it is impossible to make the case for limited government and at the same time advocate for government to go through people’s private medical records looking for abortions. The fact is that unless the GOP reclaims the suburban vote in North East and West, it will be a regional, minority party with little influence at the national level.
I think it is time that the GOP to soften its abortion stance. Remove the HLA from the GOP platform. There is no effort from anyone to push for such a measure so why even have it in the platform? All it has done is given ammunition to the Dems to scare women. In place of the HLA, the GOP should adopt a more federalist approach to abortion by letting the state parties decide for themselves. By removing social issues from the national center stage, the GOP can focus its efforts on limiting the size of government and promoting capitalism. This is the only way to rebuild a national party.
We need Steele's in the GOP
Bsports (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 6:55PM EST (link)I hope he wins the RNC Chair. I want to see more conservative minorities within our ranks.The future of the GOP looks bright, if the establishment listens to more leaders like Steele, Palin, and Jindal!
GO MICHAEL!
BZZZZZT. Wrong, but thanks for playing.
Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 7:02PM EST (link)You don’t change support for doing the right thing simply because you believe such a change might be pragmatic. If you’d like to become a part of a party that prostitutes its values, the Dems are looking for new people.
Try again.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Here's the problem...Every time we here this it means the majority of the Party has to sit down and shut up so we don't drive anyone away...
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 7:47PM EST (link)I’m sick of it…I don’t trust Steel because he helped for the Republican Leadership council with Christi Todd Whitman and John Danforth…the RLC is a moderate group made up of the same RINOs that have driven this party off a cliff…
Don’t believe me…Go to the site and check it out…make sure you read whitman and Danforth’s trash…you can go to about us and read about Steele’s involvement…
head of the RNC…well…he can’t be any worse than Duncan has been…(bet you didn’t even know who Mike Duncan was or that he runs the RNC did ya> if you did you get the booby prize). Problem is…I doubt he’d be any better!
You're not understanding
Dave (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 7:54PM EST (link)You’re not understanding what Reagan was trying to convey. Your unwillingness to tolerate any view opposite of yours is what will drive us off a cliff.
Steele would be an amazing pick, did you not see how the crowd at the convention lit up when he came on stage? Steele is the type of conservative both factions of the party can get behind. Steele is just the type of spokesman the GOP needs to deal with the MSM, and if he unites with the ideas man (Newt), we will be unstoppable.
People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
“Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have.” – Goldwater
this is a joke right
emgbane (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:09PM EST (link)Steele was rejected by the voters of Maryland for the US Senate.
Black democrats are just like every other democrat that believes government is the answer to every question.
He's from the same bunch that brought us 2006 and 2008
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:11PM EST (link)As for Eeagan…try this on for size!
Correction..>Reagan
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:13PM EST (link)nt
The sort of thinking I outline...
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:20PM EST (link)is what helped to elect Ronald Reagan our 40th President and allowed him to govern as a conservative.
As in: Michael Steele would not compromise on Roe but he would not toss such as Governor Whitman from the party for her pro-abort views. On the issues on which they do agree, they can combine and be stronger.
What cost us the election, the theory goes, is that the “conservatives” let go on their issues and many others. They caved to the left. That most certain is neither what Reagan nor I am discussing.
Building a Litmus test?
SteveLA (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:30PM EST (link)Mark
Are you building Litmus test for the future to determine who can be a member of the Republican party? Something along the lines of you must support a constitutional amendment to end all abortions, or a Human Life amendment?
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
That was what Governor Reagan
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:34PM EST (link)argued thirty years ago. A party comprised only of people who check the same boxes on a wide range of issues will not be a majority party. I think of the Libertarian Party back when they were purists. They had a very rigid set of beliefs, with most of which I agreed, and I admired them for that. But because they were so rigid in their membership requirements, they were more a debating society than a political party.
Never compromise your ideals, but never close the door on those who could help implement your shared ideals.
Tear down and start over
Abraham Loy Tuesday, November 11th at 8:39PM EST (link)Apparently we shall never have the purity of mission and clarity of thought needed to REALLY remake the Republican party. But the GOP has been attacked by any number of termites over the years, and we are in a continuous battle to locate the weaknesses and shore them up before we are trapped in the collapse of still another round of being outgunned and embattled before the real exchanges begin.
No, this is NOT acceptable.
phxg (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:43PM EST (link)Mark, you are absolutely correct in It is “rebuild” rather than “tear down and start over.” This is an important distinction.
I for one do not want to build onto this flawed foundation of decayed non-conservative principals.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. –Aristotle
Michael Steele would be great
Leopard1996 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:58PM EST (link)However, conservatism does have a problem as to how to make the case that the conservative ideals will better the lives of African-americans and other minoritiesas a whole. Conservatism needs to make the argument that less government allows for improvements and freedom, and that we will defend those freedoms. Case in point is defending minorities in cases of obvious police racial profiling.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
I'm in for Michael Steele
kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 9:20PM EST (link)I’m on the petition and I hope he gets the job: I wanted him to be in the Senate for us and he ran a great campaign against adversaries who ran a brutal, despicable, kneecapping campaign orchestrated by Democrat consultants who get featured (at taxpayer expense) on NPR to “destroy” him.
I don’t believe in Parties “owing” things to anyone, and this isn’t a question of owing Michael Steele anything other than what he’s earned. He’ll be a great Chair of the RNC and I support his candidacy 200%.
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Fine. Let's hear it for the United Socialist States of America
Chekote Tuesday, November 11th at 9:25PM EST (link)I appreaciate your concern about the unborn. However, this mindless instance on the HLA is doing nothing to save the lives of the unborn while now we – the born – are in danger of living in the United Socialist States for America. The American people have spoken time and again via state initiatives: They don’t want abortion banned during the early stages of pregnancy. Too many pro-lifers are just like the gay activists: ignoring the will of the people.
People who don't remember his campaign
kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 9:27PM EST (link)Should check out some of the campaign spots that are still available on YouTube. Steele ran an amazingly postitive, optimistic campaign in Maryland in an uphill fight against people who stated quite frankly in internal memoranda that they intended to “destroy” him for running as a Republican. He’s a great choice for the Chairmanship of the RNC.
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No, Steve.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 9:32PM EST (link)Though the Republican Party does and must oppose abortion and Roe v. Wade, Reagan was right: no single-issue litmus test. That will work itself out in the primary season, and I will vote for the pro-life candidate.
I’m for the big tent in the same way Reagan was. Atwater, as well, who used abortion as his example when discussing “big tent.” The big tent, the differing opinions, will not change the goals of the party.
I am OK with the big tent provided....
Chekote Tuesday, November 11th at 9:50PM EST (link)we don’t compromise on limited government, free enterprise and strong defense.
You quoted Reagan as saying...
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 9:51PM EST (link)Yet that is exactly what is happening. Hard Core Fundamentalists are chasing away libertarians. And a significant percentage of Evangelicals have abandoned small government and liberty.
Some on Wall Street are giving up on liberty to save their jobs, the ones they put in jeopardy along wit the Dems in Congress. And we have an increasing population that knows nothing of Reagan and even of the Repub Revolution of 1994. Hell, they know nothing about Western Civilization either. The average public school student knows more about the myth of Sacagawea, than Lewis and Clark and Manifest Destiny.
I have nothing bad to say about Steele. I would guess my concerns would be that he would be too moderate, that he would become Democrat-lite, as the Tories are doing in the UK.
I think Gingrich is a much greater thinker. Not just over Steele but over most every national Republican. Sure his name is still caustic to some, but he is far and away of ahead of Steele when it comes to keeping traditional conservative ideals, AND adapting them to the dangerous and confusing future we face.
I like them both, I think Gingrich should be RNC Chair and Steele should run again for national office.
Molon Labe!
True
Grump642 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 9:52PM EST (link)Maybe I misunderstood your comment. It sounds like we agree more than not. I have no problem with semi-conservatives in the party. Fiscal only, social only, and so forth. But I do want a REAL Conservative running the party. We should not change what we believe to attract people. People should be attracted to conservatism because of what we believe. But to do that, there has to be a clear, solid message. You are right, many have lost sight of what we believe in and stand for. They tried to move to the people, instead of standing strong and attracting the people to our ideas.
"Big Tent"
jfpurdue01 (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 9:56PM EST (link)Here’s my hope:
When talking about a “big tent” I hope that doesn’t mean someone telling us that we need to compromise our values. We did that in election 2008. I hope instead that it means that we stick to those principles… but just because someone disagrees with us on one particular issue doesn’t mean they can’t vote republican.
It sickens me to know that friends of mine vote democrat because the are pro-abortion. When I ask them about virtually any other issue, they agree with republicans (as long as I don’t mention that it is a republican position). So they look only at that one issue and vote for a party because of that. That’s like saying you won’t marry someone because you don’t agree on absolutely everything. We need to change that notion while still pushing for candidates who adhere to all of the principles that the party stands for.
This from the
roxer Tuesday, November 11th at 10:24PM EST (link)same Michael Steele that stated Reagan conservatism was dead after a republican debate on Hannity and Colmes? That Michael Steele? Really? He agreed with Ed Rollins. We want a guy at the head of the RNC that made that statement? Hannity even gave him a chance to correct his statement and Steele had none of it. No thanks.
“Where I stand does not depend on where I’m standing.”
–Fred D. Thompson, 2008
social issues
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:27PM EST (link)is a code word for -big government. Just ask Barry Goldwater, or read about him. Don’t just read about him, read about why Evangelicals became Republicans. They did it because they wanted the government off THEIR backs, so they could practice THEIR beliefs the way THEY chose. They did not want to government to push their views on others at the point of a gun.
In fact, you could go back to the first people who came to this land, they wanted the freedom to live and worship as they wanted, not some King of centralized government.
You might think I am pro-choice, but I am not. Well, I am pro-choice in a way, I believe Roe should be overturned and the states should make their own choices. The reality is banning anything on the federal level never works, check out the war on drugs, or prohibition.
We as a party seem to be fighting over not beliefs, but means to an end. The Goldwater-Reagan wing (a damn big wing) believes in reducing government and maximizing personal responsibility. The big government Evangelical wing just wants to use government for their own designs. With no worries at all about the time when the other side takes the reigns, which happens to be the case as we speak.
Molon Labe!
nice cheap shot
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:37PM EST (link)gingrich is smarter than Steele full stop. Why are you smearing Gingrich? I doubt you know much about him.
Molon Labe!
all this Whitman talk
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:40PM EST (link)last I heard she abandoned her party, spat in the punch bowl, and has no friends left with (R)s by their name.
Molon Labe!
serious advice
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:42PM EST (link)move to Virginia. YOu get more rights, lower taxes, and better government. It would be best for all if the lefties in NOVA moved to MD, and the conserves in MD moved to VA.
Molon Labe!
yeah I didn't catch that part Zoot
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:45PM EST (link)I don’t support that comment at all.
Molon Labe!
Steele would be a good choice
Whitehorse (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:48PM EST (link)I think he would do well. He seems to have the managerial & organizational ability, & perhaps he can tap into Newt’s idea generation & candidate recruitment ability.
We have the winning formula – limited government & fiscal responsibility, strong national security, & conservative social issues. What has been missing is the limted government & fiscal responsibility, & that needs to be reclaimed. The Democrats aren’t going to successfully claim it, & if we reclaim that & run candidates who are conservative & articulate the conservative message well we will win more often than not.
I will say this controversial thing
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:51PM EST (link)I don’t think Steele being black would be a great step forward for our party. We have already had a black Secretary of State and a black National Security Advisor. Check how many times the Dems have done that?
Even if we ran a black person for president and vice president the MSM would call them tokens. Anyone not an angry white male in our party is called a token.
If we elect Steele, it will probabably be a good thing because he is talented. If it is true Gingrich supports him, that only helps our party. I think Gingrich is resigned to being an “idea man” and working in the back of the room. And yes, that is still a very important position. The reality is, most great ideas don’t come from candidates, but their advisors.
Molon Labe!
GOTO prior_post
Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:52PM EST (link)do while (chekote=still_here); tell chekote ("Read Prior Post"); end do; exit (0);“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
JC Watts
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:55PM EST (link)a man I had great hopes for, has lost a lot of cred. he claims to have been treated as a token ( A word I find revolting). I don’t believe his claims, I think he just is not cut out for national office.
Molon Labe!
What a load of cr-p
Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 10:56PM EST (link)Please enlighten me about how social issues = “big government”? Hmmm? Exactly how does preventing abortion grow the government? Preventing gay marriage? Eliminating ESCR?
GMAB.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Tolerate a view opposite of mine?
Hooah_Mac (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 11:01PM EST (link)Of course we don’t tolerate views OPPOSITE of ours.
You don’t understand Reagan. What made him tick, or why he was successful.
You are using a very familiar Democrat play: take someone’s words, apply your own definitions to those words, then claim the originator agrees with you.
-Priorities-
1. Mission 2. Soldiers 3. Everything Else
Steele is the obvious choice
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 11:03PM EST (link)something tells me he is not ready to take on the fatcats and remake this party. I for one think we do need to start over from square one, not just “rebuild”. That was what McCain was about, we thought he was the one palatable Republican for the electorate.
No, we need major changes, and it will take a lot more than a new RNC chair. We need to go back to simple ideas, like individualism, small government, freedom, fiscal, and personal responsibility. After Obama makes a mess of things, those ideas alone will be able to win.
Molon Labe!
I have to agree that after seeing Steele on FNC often
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 11:06PM EST (link)that despite a few disagreements, that he would be great as RNC chair. I was for him for VP actually. after Watts
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Steele, Gingrich or anyone else
Hooah_Mac (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 11:06PM EST (link)The most important point, is to learn the real leson of Reagan –
You don’t try to find the electorate and stand beside them. You have your prinicples, and you convince 51%+ of the American people to come stand by you. Conservative principles(all three legs of the stool) have the happy advantage of being correct, and working when they are tried.
The problem is not with conservatism, but with a Republican party that for many years has stood for nothing. If you are unable or unwilling to defend your own principles, don’t expect anyone to respect them.
My vote would be for FDT. One of the few on the national stage in many years who can clearly articulate conservative principles.
-Priorities-
1. Mission 2. Soldiers 3. Everything Else
REALLY REALLY TIRED of "big tent" tactics
steveprost Tuesday, November 11th at 11:08PM EST (link)the hypocrisy of most redstaters here is entertaining…
…let a true social conservative like a Huckabee who is not part of the elite in-crowd of the so-called conservative East Coast-type conservatives dare stray in any minor comment from something that is seen as off the reservation, and you are all over him. Let Huck’s campaign mgr Rollins say “Reagan conservatism” is gone and you are done with him. But let an “in” with the establishment Steele make that statement and pal around with social conservatism enemies Danforth and Whitman and organize an organization that at its heart is attempting to downgrade SOCIAL conservatism as an emphasis (something Huck wouldn’t do in a million yrs) and you are all ready to jump on the bandwagon just as many of you had no real strong problem with sanctuary-city/gay-rights/pro-choice Guilliani. The GOP leadership and media today (and blogger-wannabe-conservative-leaders-media) are too influenced by East Coast free-trade-above-all money conservatives that do not have and never will have real support at the grass roots — ironically, these influences prevent us from a robust economic conservatism that plays it safe too often and dares not even consider bold conservative ideas whether in the area of outlining true TOUGH illegal immigration enforcement, or consider REAL conservatism economic policies (like opposing the bailout as Huck and real conservatives in Congress did as against our principles, or looking out for our national economic interests rather than free-trade-at-all-costs) or REAL conservative tax reform (like the fair tax) that actually might get somewhere with a more populist voting public. I see no signs that conservatives have learned anything yet, and unfortunately while the WSJ and National Review are leading the uneducated mouthpieces like Rush and Hannity, don’t see we are going to get very far politically. We also are so beaten down and desperate for leadership that even bright conservatives strangely continue to cheer someone like Palin who has never and does not now really ever show any CONSERVATIVE leadership socially or economically other than at the most superficial level (reform yes, true strong advocacy for conservatism no).
Hopefully “conservatives” will want to look for and advocate the most “conservative” viable person for the RNC job across-the-board economically and socially, while not burdening that position any more than we have in the past with being our “leader” until we see a true conservative leader emerge in the yrs to come.
If you’re into pragmatism, I guess “he’ll push for a big-tent” is important enough a qualification to headline Steele; if you are a conservative, however, moving us toward “a bigger tent” should be just about the lamest qualification (and didn’t McCain just magnificently show us how lame a pragmatic strategy that is… geez, Hispanics and moderates voted in much larger numbers against shamnesty-McCain the moderate maverick than they did against Bush).
Steve Prost
I think the key is education
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 11:10PM EST (link)but first you must defeat the NEA, which is like defeating Red China. People need to relearn what it is to be American. They need to learn the Constitution, not just a blurb or two in a history book between articlies on Joan Baez and Sacagawea.
And I know it is a dirty task, but some of us must get journalism degrees and pursure that field. I know, journalism is not a “real degree”, but at it on as a double major
The MSM is an enemy of conservatism, they have barrels full of ink. We need a few on the inside.
Molon Labe!
I expect better from you BS
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 11:19PM EST (link)I made my points clear, you sound like a lefty chant.
Molon Labe!
Nice non-answer.
Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 11:32PM EST (link)Care to try actually responding? Or are you content just to take a dump on the socons?
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Buchanan's diagnosis
steveprost Tuesday, November 11th at 11:41PM EST (link)This quote from Buchanan’s latest article says something similar to my comment above. click here
Buchanan’s diagnosis is which is corroborated by the referendums he cites to is that the GOP needs to make a more robust appeal on social conservatism. Kilmer’s headline here apparantly thinks we need to focus on “a bigger tent”, which by implication of Steele/Whitman/Danforth’s GOP “Leadership” Council would have us put that even MORE on a backburner and continue to follow the East Coast conservative lead. I think 8 yrs of Bush’s big government “reaching out” to DEMs and illegal aliens and moderate McCain’s campaign is long enough to say enough’s enough for this tactic. Redstate is too myopically tied to the inside baseball of this Beltway conservatism that has plenty of room in the tent for Guilianis and Whitmans but mocks Huckabees and Buchanans.
Steve Prost
I clearly stated I was not against social cons
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 11:50PM EST (link)I stand by my statement of historical fact that they used to just want to be left alone by the government. As Rush says, too many people think history began the day they were born.
You think banning abortions will not grow the government? If you really believe that I don’t think we can have a logical discussion. Would banning toilet paper grow the government? Did banning marijuana grow the government? How about gun laws, there are something like 1,000 federal gun laws. Now are the their really 1,000 bad things you can do with a gun?
It is fine if you are pro life, it is fine that you want a federal ban on abortion, but don’t tell me that will not grow the government. And don’t tell me that is not centralized decision making. And by the way, if someone is forced to have a child at the point of a gun, do you think they will be a good mother?
I am a Christian. I believe man is sinfull and the ultilmate judge is God. I am sure you think this is all about abortion, but it is not, I could name many other areas where some socons have left the reservation and are no longer Reagan conservatives.
This party is about individual freedom and individual responsibility for their actions. Reagan said government is not the solution to problems, government IS the problem. If you don’t like it, then you might want to join a fundamentalist Christian big governmentparty or something.
I am not talking about judges, if we respect the Constitution Roe V Wade will be overturned. I just think a percentage of so called social cons are not conservative. They just want the levers of power just like Obama and his anti-American friends.
Molon Labe!
Steele against overturning Roe
steveprost Wednesday, November 12th at 12:10AM EST (link)While Steele claims to be prolife, he is not for overturning Roe (and squishy on restrictions):
On The Issues
Source: 2006 Maryland Senate debate on Meet the Press Oct 29, 2006
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Pro-life, but we have to live with 33 years of reality
Senators cast votes on matters of substance and national import: up or down, yes or no. It is in this area that Steele is less comfortable – and at his most vulnerable as a candidate. It is not always apparent if he can clearly enunciate where he stands – or maybe he just doesn’t want to. Even on some of the issues that are closest to his heart, he defaults to soft, imprecise language. Steele says that he is proudly “pro-life” but seemed to equivocate when I asked if he favors greater restrictions on abortion or its outright ban. “The dance we do is, we put too much pressure and weight on one decision,” he said, referring to Roe v. Wade. “We have to re-evaluate that.” He claimed that he was not advocating overturning the decision, only asking if we “have to live with the reality of a decision that was made 33 years ago.”
Source: By Michael Sokolove, New York Times Mar 26, 2006
Steele will be more of the same tactics that got us where we are.
Steve Prost
Steele pro affirmative action:
steveprost Wednesday, November 12th at 12:21AM EST (link)Steele clearly supports affirmative action and its improvements:
From On the Issues
Q: Are federal affirmative action programs necessary and effective?
Steele: Studies show enormous disparities still exist in education, healthcare, employment and economic opportunities along racial lines in the United States. I believe programs are still necessary to help close these divides. I support giving people opportunities. Programs must be fair to all Marylanders – of every color – and they should focus on economic empowerment. Source: Responses to Baltimore Sun Survey Aug 7, 2006
Q: Do you think the time for affirmative action is past?
A: Absolutely not. We’re just beginning to rediscover what we should be doing with affirmative action. Don’t look at our universities. We got that. Let’s look at our boardrooms, let’s look at the management structure. Source: Len Lazarick, The Examiner, “Power of the individual” Apr 28, 2006
Led commitment to $70M in grants to minority-owned business
As Lieutenant Governor, Steele chaired a 17-member task force devoted to reforming Maryland’s Minority Business Enterprise (MBE), which works to provide more opportunities for minority-owned small businesses and further spur job growth and economic vitality. Steele led the way in committing almost $70 million in grants and loan guarantees to strengthen and encourage Maryland’s small and minority-owned businesses.
Source: Press Release, “Black-Owned Business Growth” Apr 18, 2006
Steve Prost
Not any type of conservative
Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 12:26AM EST (link)Just to bring home this point. Whitman, Danforth, and the RLC are not even fiscally conservative, let alone socially conservative.
There is also a big difference in heading the RNC which represents all Republicans verses being a liberal blue state Senator. I am ok with Snowe and Collins from Maine as long as they don’t raise a fuss and try to remake the GOP into their own image. I don’t think we will get any better from Maine or anywhere in New England.
DISASTER...
Jack (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 12:33AM EST (link)Michael Steele will be a disaster. He will not attack. He will be another smarmy gentleman to sit on the Sunday Morning talk shows grinning silly while the DNC chair calls the GOP liars, crooks, child molesters, big spenders and murderers.
He will go back the GOP HQ and bask in his moral victory for not engaging in such gutter comments.
Jack
“If at age 20 you are conservative you have no heart. It at age 30 you are liberal you have no brains.” Sir Winston Churchill
I like Steele and support Gingrich
Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 12:51AM EST (link)now one here is going to direct my support with a link, they have to argue for it. I still think Flake should be majority leader. As a proud Texan/Virginian, I know the best libertarian conservatives come from Arizona, with Alaska making a run this year. It seems when people are far from the corridors or power, and the over managed cities, they see the true light.
Molon Labe!
Yes, the republican's can't lose VA
JoeG Wednesday, November 12th at 12:58AM EST (link)MD folks, move.
Go to the web site...he is co founder of the Republican Leadership Council
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:11AM EST (link)and he co-founded it with Whitman…and John Danforth…Both liberal Republicans.
What do you mean “compare him to Whitman”? if he doesn’t agree with her then why associate his name with her group…and Danforth is worse than she is.
We’ve had enough of them and their foolishness and Steele is exactly the wrong guy to take the reigns! I love the guy and he’s a great spokesman…but we need Conservative leadership…and Steele ain’t it!
He co-founded the group for crying out loud!!!
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:16AM EST (link)Every Republican that’s been around for 20 years know what Whitman and Danforth represent…They’re the ones who crashed the convensions every year and sucked up to the so called objective media by declaring they were in a fight for the soul of the Republican as they fought to strip the pro life plank from the platform…
“Willingness to talk my AXX!
The problem is when you have moderate leadership of a Conservative Party...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:21AM EST (link)We’re being led by people that hold us in contempt…Our message is being shaped by people that disagree with us…the campaign apparatus is under the control of people that are embarrassed to have to associate with us…Our candidates are being recruited and selected by people that are opposed to the rank and file that occupy fly over country…
That has to end for crying out loud!
He co founded the RLC...so one has to believe that he agrees with them
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:23AM EST (link)nt
You paint with too broad a brush Doc...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:33AM EST (link)There is a part of the evangelical movement that is as you say…Se GW Bush and his Faith Based Initiative….and I oppose them…but they don’t make up the whole…you say Reagan and Goldwater were for limiting the size and scope of the federal government while maximizing individual responsibility…well…that’s true…but who or what is the individual expected to be responsible to?
what that has to do with Steele being a co-founder of a moderate to liberal organization that wants to cut off one leg of the reagan three legged stool is the issue here and whether he should lead the party?
I say not only no but HELL no! If the Party forces this down our throats I think it’ll be safe to say that they’ve learned nothing from 2006 and 2008!
They accepted the less liberal candidates...really???
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:40AM EST (link)Looks to me like ones Casey and others were elected they were told to shut up and get in line…not unlike we were this year…
Steel helped form the group…you can obfuscate that all you want…but it’s a fact…and if you want to know what the group stands for…go to their web site!
This party needs a new direction…Steel represents the fork not taken and a trip to the next ditch along the road…
No thank you!
Except Michael Steel and John Danforth
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:45AM EST (link)THEY FORMED THE RLC…you can blow that off if you like but the fact remains…and we know where your loyalties lie Steve
Oops...sorry steve...I meant Doc
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:46AM EST (link)nc
you know where my loyalties lie Ace?
Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 2:11AM EST (link)care to tell me where? If you read the thread I said over and over I support Gingrich not Steele.
After making such a veiled comment, please man up and explain yourself sir.
Molon Labe!
Spot On
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 6:53AM EST (link)Doc Holliday- I agree that government needs to back off when it comes to religion. Many of us had grandparents or great grandparents who immigrated to this country, and came with the freedom to practice the religion of their choice. No where does it say that in order to be an American citizen you must be either a christian or a jew. The far right religious zealots do try to shove their ideas, beliefs and religious views down everyone’s throats at gunpoint. That has been a pox on the R party.
Also, if anyone even had dinner or a coffee with a shady character, they are automatically disqualified for any office in the R party. This must stop.
Correct
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 7:36AM EST (link)I think it’s funny reading all of the above posts and seeing that abortion is the litmus test to most.
What everyone apparently doesn’t know is that Fred Thompson is considering a run for the General Chair. position. That’s where the tone, ideas, philosophy and message comes from. The Chair just implements the day to day business.
Fred Thompson is a Federalist who believes in state’s rights, which includes that abortion issues should be decided at the state level. That is where it belongs.
So in other words Jack
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 7:45AM EST (link)You think it best to go on the Liberal Biased talk shows and practice playground politics. No, you’re the liar, murder and bad person.
An upbeat, positive message of what the country can be will win every time, as Reagan has proven.
Agreed, abortion belongs at the state level
Shawn Gillogly (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 7:56AM EST (link)…but, until Roe v Wade is overturned, it CANNOT be decided at the state level.
And although abortion is not a litmus test for party membership, let’s be clear, we need a full stop conservative running the party. Not a democrat-lite. We’ve done demo-lite for too long now, and it’s led us to a roadside pileup.
And nothing would trigger a SoCon revolt more than a pro-choice RNC chair after a full 4 years of the moderates having their way and blowing up the party.
“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager
I'm talking about your anti SoCon bent
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 8:12AM EST (link)nt
I'll take a stab at it...
QueenOfCups (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 8:20AM EST (link)Because whenever the federal government makes a law, they create a huge bureaucracy to deal with it.
Steele is Magnetic
island_native Wednesday, November 12th at 9:24AM EST (link)I heart Michael Steele! The GOP needs a strong SPOKESPERSON right now, someone who can articulate vision and communicate without resembling the defensive “assumption” based style of McCain. We need someone who can expose the left’s lies with skillful dialogue, not by making funny faces!
Social conservativism is about getting the government to stay OUT of our personal lives. We can make our choices, thank you very much. As long as the government is not funding insidious anti family programs I’m good. But similarly they shouldn’t be trying to force conservative social values (whatever the heck that means) down people’s throats either. Leave social engineering up to the left. The right should let families and churches take the lead in this area.
Steele has proven he can communicate very effectively and is cool in the face of hostility. That’s the most glaring deficiency the party currently faces. A solid national voice. Give him a shot! Go Michael!
Part of me doesn't want to dignify this with
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 9:28AM EST (link)a comment, but I just can’t let this pass. I am tired of hearing the meme that SoCons only care about social issues when study after study of voting records show that SoCons are more fiscally conservative than moderate ‘FisCons’.
When you ‘socially moderate, fiscally conservative’ folks start calling out your fellow ‘socially moderate, fiscally conservative’ brothers and sisters who have fiscally liberal voting records with the same intensity that you do SoCons, you might actually gain some credibility.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Thanks for Saying it.
whatifidontwanna (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 9:48AM EST (link)I can’t help but notice that those saying Steele is bad because he “pals around with Whitman and Danforth.”
I for one point out that Whitman was better for Republican ideals than Corzine has been.
Yet some here are going to completely negate the contributions of some in order to have their view of the Republican Party be the only party.
Newsflash, you are not going to ever go back to the days where New York has a three term Republican governor or New Jersey or Maryland or Colorado if you say that the only version of the Republican Party that can exist is the Party of the Deep South.
What is more important to this Party? The ability to stop judges from being legislators or a plank on a platform that says we are pro-life? One is effectively working to address the other while the othe just works to prevent the other.
Reagan won because we had Carter. He was the better man and the better leader. But I wonder if our economy had been good and we were at peace, would we have had Reagan?
Anyways, I’m rambling at this point. But seriously, if we want to be a national party, we have to have the warts (Snowe and Collins as Ace would call them) along with the good (DeMint and Whomever else passes whatever test we’re applying that day).
Seriously… Let’s see…who is a good GOP Senator anyways? I’ve seen us pillory Hutchison, Graham, McCain, Craig, Stevens, Snowe, Smith, Martinez, Collins, and every other senator if they do something we don’t like once. We seem to be a fickle bunch.
Ronald Reagan, in the speech you cite,
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 10:47AM EST (link)meant what he said. And the Republican Party must stand for conservatism. However, Reagan did not mean, as you suggest, that all Republicans march in lockstep on every issue. He did not have a checklist. He was not restrictive in that sense. (And the each of those two speeches was addressed to a different audience and served a different purpose.)
Reagan vanquished the Rockefeller Republicans by winning elections and proving he was right about the public attitude toward the size and scope of government. He did not do so by throwing them — and everyone to whom they spoke — out of the GOP.
Michael Steele is a conservative Republican. He would run the party apparatus as a conservative Republican. He would not drag John Danforth or C. Whitman to the RNC with him.
The Republican Party apparatus is about winning elections. To that extent, Ronald Reagan was about winning elections.
Give an example
emgbane (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 11:15AM EST (link)Gross exaggeration does not advance your point.
I’m so tired of ignorant anti-Christian bigotry.
Gingrich over Steele
Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 11:35AM EST (link)I know Gingrich has said he doesn’t want it, but I’d still love to have him there.
Reading through Steele’s position, the only one I’d disagree on was affirmative action and maybe he’ll rethink it now that we have Obama in the White House.
Gingrich is the ideas guy.
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Formerly know as “Oz” in these parts
I think your statement is overly broad
emgbane (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 11:47AM EST (link)Clearly our constitution bans things without necessarily growing government in the way you suggest.
I certainly think there is an argument for a Human Life Amendment, especially if it can be written in such a way that it overturns ROE and returns the matter to the states.
Of course, I would also agree with those who favor banning the murder of unborn children. Just because people will break the law, does not mean we should not have a law. All laws are broken by someone, or it would not be a matter which one would legislate about. If one cannot make an agrument for state power to prohibit murder, where can one possiblity make an argument for state power.
Just because I like examples I’ll offer the 13th amendment, and the 4th amendment to the US constitution to demonstrate my point.
Yes...but how is he at fundraising?
Herodotus Wednesday, November 12th at 12:33PM EST (link).
Sign Newt’s Drilling Petition. I have included a link to it in the below. Thank you.
http://www.americansolutions.com/
Read the whole speech...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:06PM EST (link)You’re simply wrong…he laid the blame right at the feet of the big tenters. I find it amusing the way the historical revisionists on the left in the Republican Party try to claim Reagan as their own today when they despised him and did everything they could to derail him then.
I have to agree!!
From ME to You (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:56PM EST (link)I am constantly amazed that Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe get re-elected! It’s surprising they got elected the first time! They both beat out liberals by being’squishy moderate’ Republicans!
Senator Collins recently won re-election by a 61-39 margin! Considering that the 1st District is at least 60-40 Democrat/Independent v Republican that is truly surprising! In an increasingly liberal leaning state, that she could manage to get enough of a Democrat cross over vote against a super liberal like Tom Allen is amazing! But there are even more Massachussetts libs moving in so that is bound to change!
The upside is that Tom Allen (D-ME)the 1st District Representative chose to run against her and lost!
The downside is that Chellie Pingree (D)(former president and CEO of Common Cause) beat Charlie Summers to replace him.
Bummer!
I'll tell you what, Ace.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 2:50PM EST (link)I have not read that speech in a while. How’s about your provide a link.
If I recall correctly, that speech was to fire up the base; while his earlier assessment, the one I linked, was speaking to the party itself, the activists and the apparatus.
Ronald Reagan insisted repeatedly that for the GOP to be a majority party, we must not exclude and ostracize those with which we disagree on a few issues. He did not want the fiscal conservatives to push out the social conservatives, and he did not want the socons to throw out the small-l libertarians.
What you purpose to do is to draw up a list of your personal issue positions and define anyone who disagrees with a point as a “RINO.” (You and I probably line up well on the issues, so I’m not personalizing this.) In this, you conflate the Republican Party with an ideology. You can say that if someone is “pro-choice,” they are not conservative. But if they are registered Republican and seek to see Republicans elected to office, they are a Republican.
How about Fred?
squeek71 Wednesday, November 12th at 4:10PM EST (link)According to American Spectator, Fred is considering the position. Actually, he sees two different positions: a General Chairman (Fred) and a Chairman. Maybe Fred and Steele both could be a part of it. Who knows?
I know that the thought of a true conservative like Fred at the helm gives me more hope than I have been able to muster since Nov. 5.
Here are the links to the articles regarding this. One of them compares Fred vs. Steele.
http://www.spectator.org/blog/2008/11/12/is-steel-a-better-talker-than
http://spectator.org/blog/2008/11/10/fred-for-general-chairman-perh
Nice quote-out of context
Diogenes314 (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 6:07PM EST (link)ur people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?
Let us show that we stand for fiscal integrity and sound money and above all for an end to deficit spending, with ultimate retirement of the national debt.
Let us also include a permanent limit on the percentage of the people’s earnings government can take without their consent.
Let our banner proclaim a genuine tax reform that will begin by simplifying the income tax so that workers can compute their obligation without having to employ legal help.
And let it provide indexing—adjusting the brackets to the cost of living—so that an increase in salary merely to keep pace with inflation does not move the taxpayer into a surtax bracket. Failure to provide this means an increase in government’s share and would make the worker worse off than he was before he got the raise.
Let our banner proclaim our belief in a free market as the greatest provider for the people.
Let us also call for an end to the nit-picking, the harassment and over-regulation of business and industry which restricts expansion and our ability to compete in world markets.
Let us explore ways to ward off socialism, not by increasing government’s coercive power, but by increasing participation by the people in the ownership of our industrial machine.
Our banner must recognize the responsibility of government to protect the law-abiding, holding those who commit misdeeds personally accountable.
And we must make it plain to international adventurers that our love of peace stops short of “peace at any price.”
We will maintain whatever level of strength is necessary to preserve our free way of life.
A political party cannot be all things to all people…
http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/reagan/reagan1975.asp
Maybe I'm not being clear...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 7:00PM EST (link)First off…Reagan did have the 11th commandment and he did say repeatedly that someone that agrees with me 75% of the time, (or some such figure), is not my enemy…but he in no way ever said we should drop our drawers and grab our ankles so the big tent crowd can have their way with us…
You correctly say that he didn’t believe
SoCons should be allowed to push fiscons out and visa versa…but note the two way street implied in that…what we’ve had…what the establishment of the Republican Party as represented by Steele want…and indeed haave had…is a top down dictatorship to the majority of the Party that won’t allow the Conservative government and the conservative philosophy thata we’ve won on to see the light of day when we finally have a chance to enact them…The big tenters in the Republican Party want to act as if Reagan never criticized them and that he was always in agreement with them…and finally that they were on board with him in the eighties…it’s just not true….they sabotaged him at every turn as the did the Gingrich revolution..and as the did after we finally achieved Republican Control of the White House and the legislative branch for the first time in nearly one hundred years!
Finally…There are as many definitions for RINO as there are Conservatives in the Party…I reserve the term for that special class of Republicans such as Christi Tod Whitman, John Danforth, Lincoln Chaffee, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and others who not only disagree with me on one issue or the other…but militantly go out of their way to undermine and sabotage me and the majority of the party at every opportunity. It’s the militant moderate, (read liberal/progressive)crowd that never miss a chance to yank the rug out from under the party at the most opportune moment to insure maximum damage to the Party and the Conservative majority of same and accrue maximum gain to the Democrats/Liberals/Prograssive
/socialist/marxists!.
Where Steele is concerned, (and don’t get me wrong…I like him as a spokesman just not as the GOP Chair), He has chosen to ally himself with those RINOS I mentioned above…and formed an organization to promote the principles of these RINOS…Go to the RLC web site and read the groups they are affiliated with and what their agenda is…I’ll provide a link below along with Reagan’s speech before CPAC circa 1975…I don’t much care where he gave that speech…he wouldn’t have given it if he didn’t agree with it. Maybe he moderated other speeches for moderate audiences but there is no doubt and it’s a historical fact that the moderates that want to quote him out of context to promote their own ends, (and say the era of Reagan is dead) have always held him in contempt and don’t give a rats ass what Reagan said or thought as long as they can use him to achieve their ends of making us a Democrat light Party!
*http://www.republican-leadership.com/aboutus
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**http://www.republican-leadership.com/partners
Reagan’s speech before CPAC circa 1975
*http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/reagan/reagan1975.asp
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Ace, I'm banging my head on a wall here.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 9:14PM EST (link)First, where is the link to the speech of which you quoted a small bit out of context?
Secondly, according to the guidance Ronald Reagan used to build his Republican majority, founding membership in the RLC is not a disqualification to chair the RNC. In a healthy party, various parts thereof may disagree about individual issues, and they may push their own view, but the Republican voters sort this out in the primary.
I do not know what you’ve heard of the “big tent,” but it is how Reagan described it. It is how Atwater described it. Any other definition is abuse and I am not discussing that.
John Danforth is a Republican. John McCain is a Republican. We’ve had issues with both, but the former sponsored Mr. Justice THomas in his Senate hearings and the latter was the Republican Presidential nominee and put Governor Sarah Palin on the national radar.
I’ll concede that you may hold your view of what the GOP should be. I share the view of Ronald Reagan and what I heard Michael Steele outline on Sean Hannity’s radio program this afternoon. He wants, in part, a party of bold ideas which distinguish us from the Democrats.
It's the last link at the bottom of my last post...here it is again
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 9:39PM EST (link)http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/reagan/reagan1975.asp
John Danforth and Christy Todd Whitman are Liberal Republicans...
AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 10:31PM EST (link)Michael Steele founded a group that is partnered with the groups I laid out for you…
Left wing, Liberal Republican groups all…Michael Steele represents the same “Big Tent” people that have been in charge of this party for the last eight years…and have pounded this party into the ground for the last four.
I know what Reagan meant when he used the term “Big Tent” in 1975…but as always happens when a conservative wins an argument the liberals in the Democrat Party and in the Republican Party twist the meaning…and that’s what’s been done with that term…when I hear “big tent” now I here, We’re building our tent over here, you guys just stand over there…do the work…and don’t expect to have your views represented in this party even though you are the majority of the party…We know better than you and the only way we can win is by appealing to Moderates and Independents…as things happened this year…McCain’s went after moderates and independents…we tried to tell you all we were going to lose by trying to ba a paler version of the Democrats and we were told to shut up and get in line…well…we did…we were good soldiers and voted for the maverick. Where did it get us…Moderates and Independents all went for Obama…The mavericks appeal to them was a dismal failure because as he tried to pander to them…and stick his finger to the wind…he came across as indecisive and without a compass!
We lost to Obama because he sounded more conservative than McCain with his tax cuts for Petes sake
It’s time for a change in this Party and we can’t continue with the same squish leadership we’ve had…
And finally…In two posts I gave 2/3s of Reagan’s speech to CPAC circa 1974 and I quoted NOTHING out of context…The only thing I haven’t posted from that speech are the specific details that dealt with issues of that day…they’re just as relevant now but I didn’t feel the need to post them because they are irrelevant to the discussion at hand…now you have the link along with two links I gave you to the RLC…so…please don’t accuse me of not providing data to back up my points if you’re too lazy to read them when I provide it…and I assume you didn’t read my last post since you didn’t see the link to Reagan’s speech.
Faith-based initiatives:
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 11:54PM EST (link)Where the government takes your money from you at gunpoint and gives it to churches so that they can feed the poor, engage in community service, etc.
Mike Huckabee:
Former Governor of Arkansas who stated in his presidential candidacy that he wants to change the Constitution to “meet God’s standard”, supported SCHIP, and endorsed a number of anti-growth positions.
Compassionate Conservatism:
Centerpiece of Bush’s 2000 campaign, which pushed for bigger government, anti-abortion laws, and “moral” governance.
So there’s no question that there are some in the Republican party that would make it more of a Social Democrat European-style party than one holding to libertarian-traditionalist ideals. The question is how many of these voters there are, and more importantly, how to move away from that brand of “social conservatism”, and towards the one that was originally conceived in the 80′s.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
if I had to list my favorite kind of hyphenated
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 12:19AM EST (link)Conervative I admit they would not be at the top. The reason is because SOME Socons are really just trying to create God’s Kingdom on Earth, and are not really conservative in other ways. Remember I said SOME.
We know many are perfectly happy increasing the size of goverment, and a few are even into global warming and open borders for “socical reasons”. And we know for sure many more Evangelicals voted for Obama than they did for Bush in 2004.
In the end, all I want are conservatives to be conservatives. And if you are not sure what I mean by that, all you have to do is read the Constitution.
Molon Labe!
Problem is
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 12:44AM EST (link)it makes sense to profile people by race, gender, age, and any other relevant characteristics. It’s a waste of taxpayer money and time to do otherwise, when statistics show that the young male minority demographic has a disproportionately high number of felons. Unfortunately, that’s just a fact, and eliminating racial profiling is just silly.
That said, if there are blacks and other minorities getting thrown in jail for crimes they didn’t commit or because of some corrupt judge, then conservatives should absolutely get involved.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
bingo!
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 12:46AM EST (link)And the more power the Feds have, the less power the states have. And the less power we have over our lives.
Molon Labe!
First: conservatism *is* pragmatism concentrated
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 12:58AM EST (link)One reason college kids don’t like us.
Second, we haven’t exactly been at a loss for those supporting social conservatism in the party lately. On the other hand, we hardly have anyone who’s willing to support fiscal conservatism anymore, at least in deed.
Third, Steele is a conservative, ran as such in Maryland (!), and has worked hard this election to get the more conservative of the two presidential candidates elected. Huckabee, OTOH, is a populist, and did virtually nothing to help John McCain.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I am with you there -
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 1:06AM EST (link)I think the poster is right, that say, an atheist would not likely win a Republican Primary, but I doubt the Dems would run an Atheist for national office either. That is just where are country is.
My only “religious concern” is that some that call themselves Evangelical Socons are not true conservatives. Actually I think that movement is dying off a bit with Falwell and Robertson. But anyone who takes his marching orders from a minister, say a Dobson is just not my kind of guy.
And I find it a bit sick that Repubican presidential candidates feel the need to go to Dobson and prostrate themselves before him. I don’t see Catholic politicians needing to travel to Rome so that the Pope will announce them worthy of office.
Molon Labe!
nice post
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 1:16AM EST (link)of course we need a big tent or we won’t win any national elections. We do need to get the most votes, that is still the way they do it right?
Now I am not a fan on RINO’s that will not vote with the party. I don’t know that every “moderate” is a RINO, but I do know Republican moderates are actually losing more races than conservatives. If the people really do want a liberal, they are going to go for the real thing.
I do not support letting everyone in. But I do support getting rid of our many and confusing litmus tests. This is where Reagan and even Gingrich won. They stood by a small number of clear principles, articulated them well, and won.
Molon Labe!
chill out
Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 1:31AM EST (link)if we followed Reagan we would not be in this mess. The socially conservative side is the one that lost our power ie. Bush, Frist, Kyle, Delay.
I am thinking we will never agree Ace. I am socially conservative. I am offended by those who use the cover of the term “socially conservative” when they really mean big government dictators.
It is time to tone down the rhetoric on all sides. No single group gets to claim Reagan because all these fighting hyphenated cons are destroying what Reagan built.
As I have said over and over, if you want a plank, look at the Constitution, and throw in the Federalist Papers if you have the time and will to read them. True conservative ideas stand the test of time. We as a party where thrown out because we forgot them. And the last group you can blame (even though I don’t like them) are so called socially liberal Republicans.
Molon Labe!
I think we agree on far more than you realize...but on this point we do not...
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 12:48PM EST (link)I agree that these people lost us the majority but it’s not because the took socially conservative positions…they took big government positions…just because the put a SoCon face on it doesn’t make it so…To me..A True SoCon position is one that supports maximum liberty for the individual while supporting a moral order of community standards that limits the need for the Government to regulate our behavior…Government should do what it can to encourage this moral order but it goes too far when it tries to enforce it. Those who call themselves SoCons who support federal government intervention in most instances go too far. I make an exception where abortion is concerned because to me it’s a constitutional issue…the question for me is when does a fetus become an autonomous human being entitled to the rights guaranteed by the Constitution.
Where we disagree in this instance is in regards to the other side of this argument. It’s the people and groups that do everything they can to minimize our participation in the political process. It’s the crowd that supports censorship in our churches by threatening Christians with the IRS Audits and confiscation of property owned by a church…I have yet to tell me how the IRS can regulate our churches since they don’t earn income and as such can’t aren’t taxed…it makes no sense…My issues are with the crowd that wants to deny access to religious groups in the public square…it’s the idea that Christians as a majority in our country have to cow tow to a minority of people who decide they’re offended when they see someone exorcising their rights under the constitution to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Finally…my issue is within the shut up and get in line crowd that forced McCain down our throats…it’s the bunch that refuses to argue with the Democrats when they are wrong because they don’t want to offend Moderates and independents. My problem is with the minority of this party who have the reigns of power who actively act to squelch and undermine the goals and work of the majority of the party!
My issue with Steele is that by joining with Christie Todd Whitman and John Danforth and acting to promote the organizations I listed above…he has shown that he’s of that ilk…He represents the same moderate group in this party that has gotten us where we are today…We desparately need a new direction as a party and I don’t believe he represents anything new…he’s the status quo.
We also agree here…and I’d say Socons, (not the “Compassionate Conservative crowd which is a term I find extremely insulting because it implies I have no compassion for those in need). have done a decent job by and large in following the party line and have compromised much in 20 years…it’s the Republicaan Main Street Project that insist on attacking us with the most vile and dispicable terms favored by the left…They’re the ones who decided and whose stated goals are to form groups to undermine the Gingrich Revolution in 1992. They are the true big government republicans…Lincoln Chafee, Christy Todd Whitman, Pete Wilson, John Danforth, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, George Voinovich, Olympia Snow, Susan Collins, Ted Stevens, Arlen Specter, and on and on the list grows…None of them are SoCons and most of them are on the list of the biggest spenders in the Republican Caucus
I’ve read them all..and I’ve read the Declaration of Independence which is our founding document and lays out the reason for everything that followed. I’ve read Washington’s inaugural, and Abraham Lincoln and their comments on religion and it’s necessity in regulating the behavior of a libertarian society so as to make the necessity of an over reaching and ever expanding federal government. And yes….I’ve read the Federalist papers and many of the writings of Jefferson and Madison…I’m well aware of their contents and I know where you put you emphasis while ignoring the rest.
The thing is that many, if not most of the socially moderate republicans are also fiscally liberal and amongst the biggest spenders in Congress…I know there are exception and there are those that profess to be socially conservative who are also big spenders. I take as much issue with them as you do if not more since they have provided the noose that the RINO wing has put around our necks.
Doc, where are all these fiscally-conservative, small-government
tcgeol (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 1:04PM EST (link)social liberals? I don’t believe that they exist in sufficient numbers to worry about. Its well documented that Congressional social conservatives vote fiscally conservative enormously more often than social moderates or liberals do.
You do have a point about some socons, but I think that it fits your positions to complain about them instead of others. I am a huge socon, but have no problems with the 9th and 10th amendments. Unenumerated powers belong to the states and the people. There are a lot of other social conservatives that feel the same way about federalism and the Constitution – way more than there are social liberals who agree on them.
President Bush isn’t really a conservative in any aspect. Yeah, he probably is more toward the social conservative side than fiscon, but blame him for being moderate, not for being a socon.
Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger
Even the Left admits we’re Right
Your right on the point of profiling
Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 4:26PM EST (link)I do understand that if African-Americans and other groups don’t want to get profiled, then they should work to stop the crime from coming from that demographic. I probably used a wrong example, but you must admit that the conservative movement and the Republican party does not market itself to show how their principles work for their betterment. Until that is done, our side will always lose the African-American demographic by over 50% points.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
Well said tg
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 7:48PM EST (link)nt
And your point would be?
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 7:53PM EST (link)I included the first and last third of the speech…I took nothing out of context…I agree with everything in the middle third of the speech but didn’t post it because it added nothing to the discussion we were having and the point I was making that Reagan did in deed advocate for a big tent…but he never, (as a moderate masters would have us believe) that we abandon every principle we believe in to expand that tent!
I agree with you in some parts and disagree on others Doc
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 8:19PM EST (link)I think you go to far here and paint with to broad a brush.
I agree with you here…My only criticism is the association with the RLC and Whitman…I like the guy a lot and think he’d be a great spokesman…but I believe him to be to moderate for the Chairmanship of the GOP.
Huh...I guess I just imagin Reagan calling Carter out for his foolishness...
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 8:48PM EST (link)and lacerating Mondale. It must have been my imagination when I think he screamed at a debate moderator, “I AM PAYING FOR THIS MICROPHONE MISTER GREEN”!
Reagan advocated being a happy warrior but he never advocated sitting silently by while your enemies define you as the Republican Party has done for so long.
Any lie that goes unchallenged becomes the truth…That’s why I was so sick of the party and walked away for a year after 1996 when they allowed Clinton to blame them for shutting down the Government…and for sitting quietly by while the Dems accused them of throwing grandma out in the street and starving children…and I’m sick of watching Republicans take the blame for Democrat Misdeeds like the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fiasco
My point would be...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 1:39AM EST (link)That Reagan was addressing two specific issues in this speach-fiscal responsibility and national defense. He was not saying that we need to agree about every issue. Or even most. And he, like Gingrich, focused on those issues where there would be a broad base of support both within the party and the general electorate. So far, your only argument against Steele is guilt by association. Any evidence he wants to ignore the WoT or raise taxes and spending? Just because someone doesn’t agree with your particuar pet issues doesn’t make them a RINO. Personally, school ch**oice and appointing originalist Justices would be my primary issues. Is someone a RINO because they disagree with me? No. They’d be wrong, but not nessecarily a RINO.
And BTW, blaming ‘those like’ Steele for 2006 and 2008 is ridiculous. 2006 was the eventual result of the Delay takeover after Gingrich was deposed. We went from ideas and issues to political power and win-at-all-costs, now matter how much it cost. And 2008 was a combination of an incredibly poorly timed financial meltdown,an unpopular incumbent, and McCain, who triangulated between Romney, who might have been actually able to win, ande the Huckster, who was never going to win anything, but bled enough votes away to give McCain a chance to fail. At least we got Palin out of it.**
School choice would be a start.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 1:58AM EST (link)This is an issue that effects the minority community disproportionatly, that they are generally in favor of, and that the Party of Pelosi and their NEA masters can never accept.
I disagree with school choice but we should tutor reading.
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 2:27AM EST (link)It’s so easy to teach a kid to read. We should tutor it or teach the parents how to tutor their own children. A kid who can read can literally learn anything on his own from books. There is a great math series out there that will take a kid through calculus independent of a teacher.
The socialist target the poor for walking all over their rights.
We should educate the parents about educational options outside of government funded schools like homeschooling. They don’t have to accept what the public schools offer.
We can’t can’t change corrupt police but we can teach them their rights as a citizen against being searched and self incrimination and about privacy in their homes.
I think we should also help with things like FAFSA and community college applications.
You hit the nail on the head recommending we start with education, that is so it.
"They don't have to accept what the public schools offer."
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 4:05AM EST (link)**Actually they do in many cases. If someone is struggling to get by, they might not have time for homeschooling. And if they are poor, no choice in where to send their kids. Which is why we need school choice, targeted at lower income individuals with their kids stuck in disfunctional schools. A disproportionate number of which would be minorities.
The Pelosistas care about the poor-the way a parasite cares about it’s host. Theirs is the politics of vampirism. Show that you actually care about peoples lives and welfare, and you might start to turn it around. And drag the vampires into the light of day.**
Don't you think they will turn into public schools eventually?
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 4:35AM EST (link)The gov funding & compulsory attendance are the problems that need to be looked at. I see the choice is a temporary fix, and not even a good one, right now with the gov funding they will be restricted in the books they use. CA has a program and they are restricted on the type of books they use the funds for. I live in a voucher pilot state, and some of the Christian private schools here do not want the strings that go with them. One of the schools has the lowest private school tuition in the area, so thier saying that is not a fascade for keeping it for the wealthy because the school isn’t like that.
I disagree about the homeschooling. A parent struggling to get by can homeschool even with time constraints. Children can learn independently once they learn how to read. A reading child does not need to be spoon fed information from a teacher.
The poor can homeschool, that is their option besides public school. There are public libraries, book mobiles, used books and curriculum scholarships if they can’t afford materials.
That was a great line, that is exactly what they are like!!! That makes total sense now why they are always talking but never do things that actually help them.
private schools
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 4:42AM EST (link)I think vouchers are also a way to destroy the freedoms private schools have now. I posted this before but in many areas private schools are very independent of the government. That will eventually go away for all of them with vouchers.
Nice list you've got there...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 5:24AM EST (link)You missed a few though (from your link)…
Alliance of Black Republicans
National Republican Senatorial Committee
New America Foundation
The Piscataway Republican Organization
Republican Governors Association
As long as were doing the guilt by association thing, we’d better ostracize those ‘soclibs’ as well. Plus Steele is the chairman of something called GOPAC. You may have heard of them. That gives us more lefties to avoid…
John Shadegg
David Dreier
Frank Keating
Pete du Pont
Newt Gingrich
That Steele guy sure gets around.
Actually in Kali..
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 6:12AM EST (link)They tried to pass a school choice initiative here in 2004, the unions shot it down. There are some privatly funded voucher systems, they perform quite well. As far as your fears of government interference, any law could be written to prevent that. And if particular private schools aren’t interested, others will come along and take up the slack. We have actually had a voucher system at the college level for half a century. It’s called the G. I. Bill. And it’s implementation caused an explosion of mass availability of higher education.
A couple links for anyone interested.
Peter Brimelow’s Worm in the Apple
http://browseinside.harpercollins.com/index.aspx?isbn13=9780060096625
Cato institute study on the subject…
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-025.html
Wow, that was long, I will reply in more
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 7:43AM EST (link)detail later. But I wanted to make a clarification, I know we agree on much, I meant to say we do not agree on what constitutes a social con and on the agenda of some self described social cons. Again, I am a social con, I just don’t think government is always the answer. I favor freedom over enforced morality, because if it is forced, it can not be morality. One can only be moral by choice, not fear.
The other thing is I said “chill out” because you were going of on some unnamed group of anti-Christians that you implied where in our party. If their are any anti-Christians in our party, they have got to be a tiny percentage. But you never were clear on whom you placed your tirade. Are you talking about fellow Red Staters? Are you talking Steele and Danforth? I just really didn’t get whom you were talking about because I don’t think they exist in numbers in this party.
hope that clears a few things up
Molon Labe!
He He He...that last line says all we need to hear!
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 12:54PM EST (link)First of all, It’s not guilt by association…He is a CO FOUNDER OF THE RLC…how hard is that to get though you thick skull…His partners in founding it are Christi Todd Whitman and John Danforth…they’re stated mission is to work with socially liberal Republican organizations such as the Republican Main Street Project whose stated reason for existence was to act as a buffer and push back upon the rightward lurch of the Republican Party under Newt Gingrich in the 1994 election landslide.
Michael Steel parroted the lie that the “Era of Reagan is over” as if truth has an expiration date…He represents a continuation of the status quo in this party! The ones that refuse to stand up and challenge the Democrats for their lies or stand up for the principles that have one landslide after landslide when they are articulated without equivocation or shame…because they’ve bought the lie that indies and moderates are tired of the bickering and partisanship in Washington…they may not like to see us argue…but when Conservatives argue their points and fight for their positions…somehow they always come our way…The meme, “the American Public are tired of the partisanship and bickering in Washington and want our leaders to band together to get things done” is a farce cooked up by the Democrats and the so called objective media to get liberal and moderate Republicans to grovel at their feet and this foolishness has to end!
As for my calling people RINOS…I posted the limited scope of individuals I apply that term to…maybe you didn’t read it or you have a problem with reading comprehension? I reserve the term RINO not for people who have different views from me on a few issues…or even a majority of issues…Those I call RINOs are the vermin that demand absolute fealty from me and the majority of the Republican Party while going out of their way to cram their views down our throats, work fanatically to thwart our goals, and time their betrayals so as to cause maximum damage to the Republican brand and the conservative cause.
and Reagan’s speech? As I said…I didn’t include the middle part of the speech because it had nothing to do with the discussion when I sited them….The point was being made that Reagan supported a big tent and the message applied to that statement by the moderates here is that he supported compromising our principles as a party to bring people into the tent when he never said any such thing…in fact he said just the opposite.
You are correct, The specifics he enumerated did deal with fiscal issues and foreign policy issues because those were the over riding issues of the day…they trumped everything and we hadn’t experienced 33 years of cultural rot and the secular destruction of our social fabric. Note he didn’t say we should ignore SoCons to attract socially liberal Democrats and I defy you to find any quote where he said such a thing.
for what Reagan believed concerning evangelicals and social conservatives try this speech which is one among many he made where he layed out his social agenda and enumerated the SoCon values and principles he governed by:
Remarks at the Annual Convention of the National Association of Evangelicals in Orlando, Florida 3/8/1983Remarks at the Annual Convention of Evangelicals 3/8/1983
Yes, guilt by association is all you've got so far.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 1:40PM EST (link)And also CHAIRMAN OF GOPAC
Should we also ostracize John Shadegg, David Dreier, Frank Keating, Pete du Pont and Newt Gingrich?
Well, Newt obviously needs to be drawn and quartered…
…as well as-
Alliance of Black Republicans
National Republican Senatorial Committee
New America Foundation
The Piscataway Republican Organization
Republican Governors Association
Radical lefties all.
Reagan chose to focus on issue that unify, not those that divide. And there was no cultural rot in the mid 70s????
Do you even remember the 60s and 70s?
You still haven’t come up with any policies or positions which would or should disqualify him. If your only argumeent is RLC..RLC..RLC..RLC..RLC..RLC..RLC..RLC..
Then yes, guilt by association is all you’ve got so far.
That and selective quoting.
I guess you're deaf...HE CO FOUNDED IT...and their main focus is to promote
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 2:05PM EST (link)Steel didn’t form GOPAC and as far as your statement from Gingrich…it might surprise you…but Gingrich can be wrong once in a while!
I don’t know what’s so hard for you to figure out that if he found it necessary to form a group with the goals of the RLC then he must agree with their left wing agenda…so…if you can’t figure it out…
I’ve read his positions and I like him a lot as a spokesman for the party but his affiliation with this group and it’s stated goals makes me suspicious and I can’t help but think he’s part of the same bunch that has put us where we are as a party!
...and their main focus is to promote...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 2:54PM EST (link)Libertarianism, fiscal conservatism, and outreach to groups that might not trend GOP. So What? You may want to edit out any groups they work with that don’t suit your stereotype (such as the Alliance of Black Republicans, I wonder if that has anything with his participation in the group), but some rather mainstream GOP groups work with them. And no, not deaf here. But even if I was, I’d still be able to read. As far as Newt being allowed to be wrong, that’s very nice of you. So why do you keep accusing Steele of ‘parroting’ him as some sort of disqualification. As far as GOPAC, he is chairman of the organization. You know, the guy in charge. Frankly, if you think he has more in common with Whitless than Newt, you simply don’t know what you are talking about.
And if that’s all you’ve got, color me unimpressed.
I'm talking about the ideology of those groups...particularly the RMSP
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 3:05PM EST (link)and the groups I listed all say they participate in the NRSC, RNC…and the other groups I leaft out…and by the way…I left them out because I don’s have a problem with those groups because they aren’t RINO groups…the ones I listed are!
and again GOPAC is totally besides the point…he didn’t found GOPAC so he had little to do with setting up the PAC Incorporating it and planning the mission and positions of GOPAC…He did all those with the RLC…As I say…I like him…I support most everything he says he stands for…but I can’t help but be suspicious…
As for:
There’s a dig worthy of the Democrat propaganda machine and the Race Hustlers that have made a living smearing their political opponents…I forgot to add when I gave you my definition of RINOS to add one that I usually write in when I’m giving my definition and I thank you for reminding me…I also call people who use the smears, slanders and petty tactics of the left to demonize those in their own party they disagree with…so…there you go!
"I left them out because I don's have a problem with those groups because they aren't RINO groups..."
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 3:30PM EST (link)…and they don’t fit the picture you’re trying to paint? I got that.
And yet, Newt and the guys who did fotnd it put him in charge. But I guess you know better than them…
How is it a ‘smear’ to suggest that an African-Anerican political leader might be interested in outreach efforts to African-Americans?
That’s nice. If you want to classify youself as a RINO, go for it. Based on what I’ve read, I’d be more inclined to just call you short-sighted.
But that could just be me being overly civil.
The privately funded vouchers are still private.
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 6:03PM EST (link)For CA, are they called charter schools? They are publically funded and parents recieve money to select books.
I disagree about the laws. If we have private schools that accept gov funding we are inviting more laws to restrict private schools. That isn’t the main reason I am against it. I just think it will be a consequence if we fight for vouchers.
Hinz Rule
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 7:17PM EST (link)nt
No
gekster (Diary) Sunday, November 23rd at 9:25PM EST (link)There is no softening on the stand on abortion, aka “women killing kids they don’t want.”
Although I do not support abortion, I think it is not a federal issue, but a state issue for each state to consider and apply as the citizens of each state see fit.
If we are to remain the conservative Republican party that the majority of the posters and commenters on redstate proclaim to be, myself included, then we hold to our principles, votes be damned.
I relate our party to cooking. If you like the food I cook, your welcome to it, my tent will grow. If you don’t like it, that is fine, go where you like the food being served. I will cook to please me, and if you like it, then ok. The true cook for todays conservatives is Ronald Reagan. I liked his table fine and still do.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
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