The MSNBC noisemaker Chris Matthews recently blasted Sarah Palin for remarks she had made to children regarding the role of the Vice President in the Senate, suggesting that the veep could have a policy role. Matthews screamed at McCain spokeswoman Nancy Pfotenhauer that Sarah didn’t understand the Constitution, that all the veep could do was to break ties in the Senate.
That is the only specifically enumerated duty of the veep in the Senate, besides presiding over it, but the role is not Constitutionally limited to only that. But still, Matthews is a dull blade.
Here it is, from Article I, section 3 of our Constitution:
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
It says that the veep shall not have a vote unless the Senate is otherwise tied, but it does not say that the veep will otherwise sit there and drool.
The McCain camp shot back:
“Chris Matthews further elaborated on his understanding of the role of the Vice President, saying that ‘it has nothing to do with policy making, nothing to do with Senate leadership on either side of the aisle. There is no policy role there whatever for the vice president. If you’d even watched ‘John Adams’ on television a few months ago, you would know that, going into the very beginning of our democracy.’
We have little hope that MSNBC will take a more even handed approach in covering this race over these last few days, but it is outrageous that Chris Matthews would rely on an HBO mini-series as the basis for his condescending attacks on Governor Palin.
If he wishes to pose as a Constitutional scholar, he should read the document. This campaign has sent a copy to his office.”
But hey, Matthews watches TV. He insists that he watched an HBO documentary once, and maybe he’s caught Bill Maher a few times. He’s required to watched MSNBC’s Counting Down with Keefums, and when he gets older, he’ll graduate from Sesame Street to Electric Company.
(The Michael Calderone post I’ve linked contains the vid of Matthews’s mental meandering.)
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What you obviously don't understand, Mark, (he said condescendingly)...
Steve Maley (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 7:56PM EST (link)…is that the Constitution is a living, breathing document, m’kay?…
…which means that it can be twisted into a pretzel to mean anything the Left wants it to mean, and then twisted back into shape when that interpretation no longer suits their purposes…
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Wouldn't it be nice
ColoKid Saturday, October 25th at 8:09PM EST (link)if Vice President Sarah Palin could just drop in on the Senate once in a while, do a little presidin’ now and then, maybe make a motion or two, participate in the discussion in the “world’s greatest deliberative body”? Wouldn’t it be fun to see Patrick Leahy and Barbara Boxer and Dick Durbin and yes, maybe even Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and all the rest of them asking for Sarah’s permission to speak? I could get hooked on C-SPAN. hahaha Get out there and vote, folks!!
Dictionary?
JR Griggs Saturday, October 25th at 8:09PM EST (link)Maybe Chris Matthews just needs a dictionary!
He used the word preside several times
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finally would make C-SPAN worthwile
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 8:30PM EST (link)Senate C-SPAN would become the real “must see tv.” Too bad Fox doesn’t still have/air their news spoof program anymore (can’t remember what it was called, loved it though it wasn’t on consitently). They could do a “future news” spot showing Palin taming the Senate.
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Did they send
RetiredFF Saturday, October 25th at 8:31PM EST (link)a copy to Biden as well. God bless Sarah Palin, she is a true Maverick.
What Mathews missed
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 8:31PM EST (link)A VP Palin would keep the Senate a Moose free zone…you bet ya!
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Bite your tongue: C-Span rocks now. :) NT
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It would be interesting.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 8:43PM EST (link)And we’d be watching C-SPAN2, which covers the Senate Gavel-to-Gavel. Watch Bob Byrd read a speech some time. It’s chilling.
Most of the time, it seems, it’s the clerk reading the names — Mr. Bayh… Mr. Bennett… Mr. Biden… Mr. Bingaman — or a quorum call. The quorum calls are great, as they’ll play a classical piece. Of course, it will be interrupted at the call of the chair.
Matthews was playing gotcha, and he was gotten.
Joe Biden is an attorney.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 8:47PM EST (link)If you try to tell a lawyer that he or she does not understand the Constitution, you will surely die. (Unless they do tort; then, they probably don’t care.)
Matthews
magnum1 Saturday, October 25th at 8:53PM EST (link)doesn’t know jack about the constitution,as with most of the lame stream media.
“Government is not a solution to our problem,government is the problem” – Ronald Wilson Reagan
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jeanedcrusader Saturday, October 25th at 9:02PM EST (link)I love that McCain and Co. had a constitution sent to Matthews. When he gets done with it, maybe he can send it over to Obama and Biden. But don’t expect them to get the same thing out of it that we do. The liberal illuminati interpret the constitution however it best serves them at the moment.
You know what I just realized?
Raven (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 9:27PM EST (link)The VP isn’t a part of the Executive Branch.
His powers and responsibilities are listed in Article I.
That makes him a part of the Legislative Branch.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Know your history...
ImagineHope Saturday, October 25th at 9:54PM EST (link)Jefferson was so concerned about looking like he was trying to exert executive authority when he was Adams’ VP that he literally hid when Congress was in session.
Palin’s Constitutional revisionism should concern anyone who cares about this country.
Look, we're sorry that we picked somebody who read the darn thing, OK?
Moe Lane (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:05PM EST (link)How were we supposed to know that Biden couldn’t even get the article right?
Now shoo. I plan to hit the sack early tonight, and I don’t feel like waiting until you have enough spittle saved up to scream about Palin properly.
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Bill S (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:05PM EST (link)What’s wrong, sonny? Did you get lost somewhere?
Now you run along and stop using Mom’s computer without asking permission.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Revisionism? LOL! A leftist talking revisionism? LOL!
Tim_Schieferecke (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:05PM EST (link)That’s rich. You mean like FDR being the greatest POTUS of the 20th century? LOL Like the Democrat Party was the party of civil rights? LOL! Like Obama isn’t an out and out socialist? LOL! You funny obamatool you.
Tim Schieferecke
Excuse me?
Terilyn Donaldson (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:06PM EST (link)Have you listened to BO? BO/Reid/Pelosi/et. al. will alter every part of our Constitution!
SURVIVING IN WYOMING…
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Challenge to the John McCain Campaign and the GOP
SmellsLikebo Biden (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:15PM EST (link)We are issuing a CHALLENGE to the John McCain Campaign!
Since NO News Media will cover this and only the people (Several Million), have brought this question up and have NOT! received a legal answer to it.
*We Challenge the John McCain campaign and the GOP to “Prove” Barrack Obama, is legally qualified to run for the office of the President of the United States of America. *
Full post below.
http://www.smellslikebo.com/blog/blog5.php?p=134&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Thanks for your time.
Matthews will be too busy spending time with his Obama centerfold to read it.
Tim_Schieferecke (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:19PM EST (link)He does get those tingly feelings you know.
Tim Schieferecke
Why don't you read a little history yourself
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:23PM EST (link)and a little Constitution. Start with the 12th Amendment. If you are going to talk about John Adams as VP, you need to realize he served BEFORE the adoption of the 12th in 1804. Further, it wasn’t until the late 19th Century that the whole “running mate” concept came to be.
Hopefully Team McCain sent a copy of the Bill of Rights and the rest of the amendments, as well, to Chris Matthews. It would appear that even the Press needs a refresher on the First Amendment, among others.
Anyone wanting a copy can send me their address, and I will be more than happy to provide a copy of the Constitution, with all Amendments. Or read it here:
US Constitution
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
My mistake, thought auto links were on
SmellsLikebo Biden (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:30PM EST (link)My apologizes I thought the URL links were set to auto, I added the HTML code to make it easier.
Here is the Challenge page
And here is the main page to enter the site.
www.SmellsLikebo.com
YES!
SmellsLikebo Biden (Diary) Saturday, October 25th at 10:52PM EST (link)LOL I LOVED READING THAT! Yes I want to see that happen, lets get to work!
Game Over!
Obamazone_ Sunday, October 26th at 12:06AM EST (link)Let’s face it, when even David Frum is talking damage limitation, rather than victory, then Republicans are looking at a generation in the political wilderness. And perhaps even extinction.
Don’t forget your sunblock!!!
Ill, baby, Ill.
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Presiding over the Senate has real power
Paul_In_Houston Sunday, October 26th at 12:07AM EST (link)This article, from Ace of Spades…
Palin: Correct about the VP’s Role in the Senate
shows a good example of VP Al Gore effecting a nomination awaiting approval in the Senate, just by being able to decide who has the floor and can speak.
And also, by being able to decide when a vote can be cut off.
That can be real power when used effectively.
Are you going to riot when The One loses badly?
Tim_Schieferecke (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 12:10AM EST (link)n/t
Tim Schieferecke
Chris Matthews is a tool.
29Victor (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 12:39AM EST (link)But we already knew that.
First of all, Palin wasn’t talking about exercising Constitutional authority over the Senate when she said that she would help with policy, she was talking about exercising political power on behalf of McCain.
But, even if she were talking about exercising authority, well, as V.P. would have more than Chrissy seems to believe.
I’ve posted this before, but sometimes you have to remind people.
Found at senate.gov (I would hope they would know what they are talking about):
Chris mis-speaks
MrAleGuy Sunday, October 26th at 1:56AM EST (link)At 5:09, Chris says “either she’s right or I’m wrong”.
Actually, it’s both. She’s right and you’re wrong.
Journalism 101 textbook too
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 2:26AM EST (link)to look up “Journalistic integrity” the lofty notion he ignored long ago
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Yeah But
ggross56 (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 3:35AM EST (link)He insists that he watched an HBO documentary once, and maybe he’s caught Bill Maher a few times.
Might Little Chrissie be a constitutional scholar because he stayed at a Holiday Inn last night?
Who would you rather have?
EddyC (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 7:31AM EST (link)I want someone as President who sees threats for what they are and addresses them aggressively, even if it’s aggressive diplomacy. I would be comfortable with McCain, and yes, even Palin in that role. The Georgia incident is a clue as to how Obama would react. His priority will not be national defense or containing the ambitions of Russia or Iran. Read Witness by Whittaker Chambers and you will have a clearer picture of Obama than you will glean from his smile and suave manner. He is a committed Marxist, though he and his followers would be quick to laugh at such an assertion. The freedom and safety of an untold number of people are at stake as our free press seethes over Palin’s clothes or whether or not she understands the role of vice President.
Translation: "Ow! Ow! Quit it! Quit it!"
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Women embolden my heart
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 8:58AM EST (link)Have I said lately it emboldens my heart when a woman who could be your mother, wife, sister or daughter provides such a strong, intellectual, calm and articulate role. Certainly, those of us actually paying attention to the women in our own lives have seen this many times and expect nothing less.
Yet here we have Mathews, representing the emotionally driven, ill-informed, distracted epitome of liberals generic, misogynistic woman caricature. By contrast, Nancy is the antithesis- as is Governor Palin.
Perhaps we should get Chris the apron and minivan?
People see through these attacks and it does not serve Democrats well. I know this since every woman in my life has told me so.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
It ain't revisionism...
Dustin Sneath (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 9:35AM EST (link)… if it’s already in the Constitution.
Take some time to read it… You’ll find that it actually does give one or two people some executive power, something that might seem very scary to you since the Great Savior isn’t in office yet.
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Chris's leg is wet but he confuses it
hunter (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 10:57AM EST (link)with a tingling feeling.
I guess when Gore used the office of VP to high jack climate science and to lay the groundwork for massively enriching himself over climate hysteria, that was just a fantasy.
The VP can be as involved in policy as much as the President wants them to be.
Chris is as much a journalist as Goebbels was. And he kind of treats uppity women about the same, come to think of it.
hunter
Ha!
diggingintothefacts (Diary) Sunday, October 26th at 12:55PM EST (link)In the midst of his diatribe, Matthews summed it all up when he said,
“Either she’s right, or I’m wrong.”
Spoken like a true Obama PATRIDIOT!
Not Sure About The Gore Story
Doctor Biobrain Sunday, October 26th at 6:34PM EST (link)I’m not so sure that Ace is right about that one. There were no links and it was all based upon recollection, some of which was incorrect. And when I tried to find a solid source for it for a blogpost I’m writing, I couldn’t find any news stories that confirmed that telling of how things happened.
Rather, the articles I saw said that Senate Majority Leader Lott agreed to have the vote, over Senator Sessions’ objection, because of a hold Senator Boxer placed on someone Lott wanted appointed to the TVA; which made it sound like the typical backroom deal making that happens in the Senate. Here’s a CNN story and a NY Times story from back then which say this, and only mention Gore showing up for a tie-breaking vote that wasn’t needed. Gore is even quoted as saying that all he did was show up and jokes about how this was enough to get the judge confirmed. Perhaps they left something out, but I couldn’t find anything that confirmed the version given at Ace, which again, was based upon memory and not a news story.
I'm Sure It's Been Checked
Doctor Biobrain Sunday, October 26th at 6:56PM EST (link)Seriously, I think it’s a huge insult to McCain and the Republican Party to imagine that they haven’t already checked this issue and decided there was nothing there. And if the Clinton team didn’t already exhaust this avenue in the primaries, I’m a monkey’s uncle. I mean, they tried using something he said in Kindergarten as evidence against him; I’m sure they checked into the citizenship issue.
Perhaps I have too much faith in the competance of opponent research, but if McCain’s team hasn’t already checked into this, then he doesn’t deserve to be president.
It is therefore agreed
ss396 Sunday, October 26th at 9:43PM EST (link)Since President Bush has not died in office, it must therefore be agreed that Vice President Cheney has played absolutely no role in the conduct of the affairs of the Bush Presidency, that he had no policy positions or influence, and that he has been sidelined and wholly inactive for the past eight years.
Based upon Mr. Matthews comments, I am sure that he and his fellow travelers will readily agree to the foregoing.
If you pay someone to sit on his butt, you can’t be surprised when he does.
Cheney Didn't Preside
Doctor Biobrain Monday, October 27th at 12:49AM EST (link)ss, I don’t think anyone’s suggesting that the VP doesn’t have *any * influence, as everyone knows that they can; just as each of us can influence the government too. But Palin specifically said the Vice President is “in charge of the United States Senate” and seemed to imply that she’d be using this role to run the Senate. And while I suppose I haven’t paid attention to everything Cheney’s done over the past eight years, I don’t think Cheney’s been running the Senate.
And while VP’s apparently once played that role, it seems that’s gone out of practice for quite awhile. And I for one think that’s for the best. I’m not sure how many folks here are looking forward to the possibility of Joe Biden taking over the Senate in January, but I’d kind of prefer that we keep things as they were. I guess I’m just a traditionalist that way.
I’m of the opinion that the presidency has gotten too powerful as it is, now being responsible for creating detailed tax policies, health plans, and other legislative functions before they even become president; I don’t see why we need to expand that power to let their VP selection run the Senate too.
I *was* disappointed, Doctor Biobrain...
Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, October 27th at 1:09AM EST (link)…that you didn’t do what you were told; I was even considering giving you a more explicit warning. Then I accessed your account, and discovered what you did to it.
That made me feel better, knowing that you were never here in good faith to begin with.
Bye.
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