The myopic editorialists at the Los Angeles Times must think Sarah Palin defeated Joe Biden in Thursday night’s vice presidential debate. Their post-debate editorial, when read between the lines, indicates as much:
Gov. Sarah Palin shared a stage with Sen. Joe Biden and for 90 minutes skirted the edge of the abyss but avoided the plunge. Luckily for her, their debate Thursday night avoided serious civics — no questions about Supreme Court rulings and only the briefest exposition on what constitutes the vice presidency. She did nothing to arrest her slide from phenomenon to embarrassment, but her conservative supporters, many jumping ship in recent days, can take solace that she correctly pronounced the names of several world leaders.
In avoiding catastrophe, she was aided by Biden, whose looping answers drifted along a current known only to him. His best friend was the clock.
[T]hese two candidates — aided and abetted by the singularly inarticulate work of moderator Gwen Ifill — combined to produce one of the worst debates in modern American presidential history. [emphasis my own]
If Joe Biden had won the debate, the paper would have used it to reinforce the media’s sloppily crafted image of Sarah Palin as a rube from the outback blinking in the big city’s lights. Palin won the debate, so it has become, in their resentful prose, a tear in the political fabric, a mistake which just should not have been.
Joe Biden’s “best friend was the clock,” the editorialist writes. Well, that moderator, Ms. Ifill, turned control of the time over to him, so it was planned that way; however, you will catch me being digressing never again. In this piece.
“[O]ne of the worst debates in modern American presidential history.” How far back do these clowns go? There was Bensten-Quayle in 1988, remembered only for a rehearsed insult. What about Dole-Mondale in 1976? More recently, relatively speaking, that was Gore-Kemp in 1996. Last night’s debate kept us awake and attentive; these others, not so much.
In the end, Biden left voters with a more constructive vision of the government and a more compelling case for how it has failed the nation under President Bush
WRONG. In the end, actually, Joe Biden left myopic editorialists as purblind as expected. Sarah Palin won that debate. The governor of Alaska captured our attention and made her case directly to us. She was compelling, refuting those lefty commentators who would turn her into an ugly caricature reminiscent of what they did to Admiral James B. Stockdale, a brilliant American hero branded by the media as clueless boob after his 1992 veep debate.
Joe Biden, on the other hand, lied.
And as a personal aside, it was refreshing to see someone stand in front of a rapt national audience for 90 minutes and offer in debate a conservatism without footnotes or caveats. I doubt she would appeal to the coarsened lefties who demand je ne sais quoi from their leaders – because they don’t know what – but I would hope that was not a goal. She did appeal to those of us who like to hear things in non-doctrinaire terms and who want to change the tone and discourse in our nation’s politics which has been percolating since, I’d estimate, Al Gore tried briefly to steal the 2000 Presidential election with hanging chads in Palm Beach County.
Sarah Palin won last night’s debate.
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Thanks, Mark.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:02PM EST (link)A very good and savvy article.
Thanks much, Rod.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:14PM EST (link)nt
Hey, LA Times- here's a free picture of Palin post-debate,
streetwise (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:15PM EST (link)free, because we know these are hard times for newspapers
Liberal Elites
MSU_Charles Friday, October 3rd at 12:16PM EST (link)That condesending quote from the LA Times just further enforces how out of touch with reality the left has become. They are still relishing the days when debates were about Supreme Court Cases where they could hopefully catch a Republican in a moment where the candidate would admitted he/she would appoint Justices that would overturn Roe v. Wade. Still playing gotcha politics.
Right now people care about their economic futures, why their government continually fails them on domestic issues, and living in a safe environment protected from terrorists.
America Knows - Huge Rating in Two Virginia Markets
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:18PM EST (link)If the fools at the LA Times are almost persuaded. Reddish Purple Virginians must have seen the truth. Huge ratings. Two Virginia markets in the top ten
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/media_entertainment/45-of-households-in-top-local-tv-markets-watched-palin-and-bidens-vp-debate/
Dick Morris column on Debate
PaRep (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:19PM EST (link)And Favorably compares Sarah to Ronald Reagan
http://tinyurl.com/426pxk
Palin's Fiesta
azaeroprof (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:22PM EST (link)I love sports analogies. The more I think about last night’s debate, the more it seems like the 2007 Fiesta Bowl.
We had Oklahoma (Biden), a decades-long powerhouse with powerful offensive and defensive lines (knowledge) and skill position players (debate experience).
We had Boise State (Palin), a new, exciting team from “up north” that usually plays on an unusual blue field (Alaska) that noone else understands the significance of.
Through solid preparation and shear determination, and a few trick plays (speaking directly to the American people), Boise State stunned Oklahoma and the nation.
She didn't win, she just didn't lose
brandowagner Friday, October 3rd at 12:28PM EST (link)All she did was spew out all the talking points that she’d learned in the last three days at “debate camp”, which she did quite well. She didn’t embarrass herself and that could be considered a victory, I guess.
Sadly, I think she still didn’t make up enough ground to be considered equipped to lead the free world. And while that whole folksy approach may placate some less intelligent voters, “straight talk” doesn’t get you out of having to know the issues. Sarah Palin will lose this election for the Republicans. McCain took a gamble and it will not be paying off for him. Shoulda gone with Huckabee.
Also, to the poster, that third paragraph needs some work.
douchebag.
"...aided and abetted
ptort Friday, October 3rd at 12:29PM EST (link)by the singularly inarticulate work of moderator Gwen Ifill…”
I wonder when the charges of racism are going to fly. Or, is that only for when Conservatives legitimately point out conflicts of interest.
This echoes my personal experience
TheSophist (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:30PM EST (link)Living and working in NYC as I do, I have been seeing a number of “Biden won” and “Palin didn’t even answer the questions” and so on.
Whew.
If NYC elite libs thought Palin did great, then she probably lost real Americans last night. So I’m truly glad to hear that the LAT along with the out-of-touch Left in NYC, LA, SF, and other metropolitan centers thought Palin flubbed it bigtime.
-TS
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.” – Ronald Reagan
What an apropo screen name, douchebag!
stang (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:38PM EST (link)Part of the reality based community, eh?
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”
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Ah, douche, that's the way to get women voters. Thanks. nt
streetwise (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:45PM EST (link)You'll note that I've taken the liberty...
Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:47PM EST (link)…of fixing your username in the process of banning you. We have standards. Which, by the way, include showing a basic respect for women.
Blam.
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I don't think so. The fish is a hoax.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:50PM EST (link)You can’t find a Biden Fish in salt water.
The Biden Fish can only be found in the freshwater…specifically in the lake near Biden’s beautiful house and neighborhood.
Look here:
Ask speciallist. He loves fishing too, you know.
You want details? Go here.
Agree. LATimes is racist...
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 12:55PM EST (link)saying such thing to Ifill is really racist.
Please, tell me he owns the private island! nt
streetwise (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 1:02PM EST (link)The media's talking point: Biden let palin win.
29Victor (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 1:13PM EST (link)Well, I’ve seen it twice now:
or, as Joe Klein put it in Time:
So the MSM has decided how they’re going to try to spin this thing. That’s the meme they are going to try to create:
That Gov. Palin is just as stupid and inept as they said that she was; she did “okay” at the debate, but only because Biden helped her out.
They know that Palin won and they’re trying to take away that victory.
This is splendid news, methinks.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 1:13PM EST (link)Virginia is — my wife’s favorite term — a “battleground State.” And Erick has heard that Palin doesn’t want the McCain team to give up yet on Michigan.
And the economic story has almost run the course of its major trauma, so… we’ll see.
Drduge Reports That More Watched Palin Than McCain/Big Brobama
Strelnikov (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 1:14PM EST (link)42% more people watched last night than the presidential debate!
http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/vp-debate-ratin.html
As of November 4, 2008, the Code Words will be: “Klaatu – Borada – Nikto!”
My third paragraph is fine.
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 1:19PM EST (link)I was more concerned with the later ‘graph beginning, “WRONG.” You’re that, btw, and your debate-analysis is… hello? hello? Where’d he go? Hello? Oh, Moe got him. That’s kewl.
streetwise, that' a difficult question.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 1:22PM EST (link)Ifill should have raised that question in the debate last night.
But don’t get me wrong. The house and the vicinity is just average. I mean, it’s only for middle class families, not for the elite.
NYT, the undisputable source of info, said that Biden only bought the house at US$350K in 1996 (small island not included, I think).
My wild guess is that the price of the property has risen up in the last 12 years because Biden has been such a very good neighbor…just our Average Joe.
The first McCain-Obama debate was
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 1:24PM EST (link)on a Friday night, and I saw one paper argue that its ratings were low because most people are out barhopping and clubbing on that night.
Sarah Palin is a phenomenon. I doubt many people tuned in to watch the new, wrinkle-free Joe Biden.
Taylor Stockdale's moving article about his father
Flagstaff (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 1:49PM EST (link)can be found in this WSJ column.
Eye-opening to say the least, and another indictment of the So-Called Unbiased Media.
Only a ‘Crat true-believer could thing that Biden won the debate last night. The only thing he won was “most inaccuracies and obfuscations in a debate.”
Sarah’s only failing was in being unable to refute them all, but she didn’t have the time. O’Biden are following the Clinton model–throw as much bull as possible. After a while, nobody cares to hear the refutations.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Sarah Beat the Expectations
AmesG Friday, October 3rd at 3:11PM EST (link)But that’s not a win.
http://www.acandidworld.net/2008/10/03/not-a-game-changer/
[I'm a fair sort: anybody wants to cut-n-paste, they can cut-n-paste to read it. - ML]
Ames....why don't you just take you talking points back to your own blog...
Attack Mode (Diary) Friday, October 3rd at 3:27PM EST (link)What color is your Astroturf?
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
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ChasKeating Friday, October 3rd at 5:19PM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/oct/03/palin-to-michigan/#c46951
Republicans Against McCain
Wizz Saturday, October 4th at 12:50AM EST (link)Every poll shows she lost, even the Fox online poll, anyone who watched the debate saw that she was completely outclassed on all levels. Palin is exactly the reason why many Republican families like ours are abandoning our life long Republican roots. Both sides of our family will be voting for Obama this election. Just look at what happened in the Special elections earlier this year, we lost three seats to Democrats in Republican strongholds, one was in Mississippi which has elected Republicans for decades until now. And Palin is scaring off many voters due to her clear lack of Political knowledge which is dangerous to this country, it’s displayed anytime she gets in front of the camera. Her comment about putting answers in her own terms pretty much nailed the coffin shut on her…now everyone is talking about how that showed her severe lack of political knowledge. Also many people are talking about on the web how bringing those pack of kids on stage made her seem very unprofessional and it was clearly staged…it actually fueled the ‘PTA’ stereotype even more against her, not a smart move at all.
said it before and i will say it again
Gary (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 1:35AM EST (link)there is no possible way you can say you have lifelong republican roots, and be voting for Obama. If it was some moderate democrat that you decided you wanted to change your stripes for I would believe you, but not Obama. The guy is liberal to the point of it being scary. 1 year in the senate and the farthest left of any candidate in history is not someone people just up and change there party affiliation for. It’s alot more believeable when people say they’re an independent thinker who voted for Bush and hate him now.
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Pomme (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 1:39AM EST (link)agree with you.
Moe’s translation’s say it all: Make the Scary Woman Go Away!
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After the Debates..Sarah and Joe joined the Bailout Bill presser...
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 2:52AM EST (link)Some thing smelled Fishy…the Dems said it was caused by ..the Bush administration
Dear shill for leftist lying POS BHO:
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 1:29PM EST (link)If a Republican candidate got a $100 million grant to work with a KKK member to advance white supremacy in education, and that KKK member held the candidate’s first fundraiser, that candidate would be unelectable.
In 1995, Obama got a $100 million Annenberg challenge grant to work with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers on advancing leftwing indoctrination in education, and Bill Ayers held Obama’s first political fundraiser. Bill Ayers has never repented for participating in bombings in the 1960s. Ayers and Obama sat and worked together on the board of a leftwing foundation.
Why is this tolerable? Why is it tolerable that Obama would sit for 20 years in a Black Liberation Theology church, call Rev Wright his ‘mentor’ and yet not be held to account for the racist and anti-America hate (such as saying that 9/11 was “chickens coming home to roost”) that Wright spewed?
that leaves aside Obama’s work with leftwing ACORN groups suing banks to relax lending standards in the 1990s, to sow the seeds that helped create the housing bubble of recent years.
And you support a guy with such horrible judgement and such leftwing radical roots and associates?
The conclusion is being a friend and associate to a domestic terrorist and racist radicals is something that liberal Obama supporters tolerate. Combined with Obama’s calling on supporter to ‘get in the face’ of political opponents, and Democrat support for free-speech-chilling ‘Fairness Doctrine’, we have much to fear in an Obama Nation.
I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THE EXISTENCE OF NON-LEFT SUPPORTERS OF OBAMA IS EITHER PROOF THAT MEDIA BIAS WORKS OR PROOF THAT PT BARNUM WAS RIGHT.
So which is it: Are you bamboozled and bought a lie, or are you a moron? Or a troll liberal?
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