Perhaps the New York Times‘ editors had asked Adam Nagourney and Jeff Zeleny to write something more-or-less objective about last night’s debate, and they are fine for the first several paragraphs, but then they slip into a bitter and disgruntled mode:
Mr. McCain, in the kind of misstep that no doubt would have been used by Republicans against Mr. Obama, mangled the name of the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and he stumbled over the name of Pakistan’s newly inaugurated president, calling him “Qadari.” His name is actually Asif Ali Zardari.
That is a bitter assumption based on absolutely nothing, a cheap shot at Republicans, and by extension, John McCain. It has no place in an objective news article because, well, it is not objective news. McCain mangled a few names; as reporters, these two clowns should have reported this and left off the snide remark about the Republicans. A bad reporter biased in the other direction could have written: “Mr. McCain, the kind of misstep which no doubt will be injected into the campaign by Obama strategist David Axelrod…”
They watched the debate safely from their own little dream world:
Mr. McCain was feisty and aggressive but, particularly during the start of the debate, his language and demeanor offered a reminder of just how much he was a creature of the Senate, as he used phrases that were no doubt understandable in Washington but might have been lost to the audience at home.
Their evidence for this sweeping statement? John McCain used the term “earmarks.” This makes him a product of the Senate, the Times clowns declare, because no one outside DC understands what the term means. The New York Times regularly uses the term earmarks almost daily. Does this make the paper a “creature of the Senate”? No. Nagourney and Zeleny wanted to paint John McCain as a figure of the status quo when surveys show that most voters clamor for “change.” Obama is their agent of Hopechangehope, described as “calm and in control and seemed to hold his own.” McCain is dismissed as a product of the beltway.
John McCain, the man who angered both establishments and movements, is not a product of the beltway, he’s not a “DC insider.” For a product of Chicago’s ward politics, though, Obama has won dozens of DC Miss Congeniality awards.
There is more daft commentary designed to make a point, and our Times writers end their piece with an Obama quote:
A few moments later, Mr. Obama responded: “John mentioned me being wildly liberal. Mostly, that’s just me opposing George Bush’s wrongheaded policies since I’ve been in Congress.”
End of story. Earlier, they declared that Obama’s goal was to portray McCain as an extension of Bush, and their final line is used a supposed example of him doing just that. They have declared Obama the winner without saying: “By the way, Obama was the winner.”
But remember, the effort they put into getting their journalism degrees, their years of reporting, was all a buildup for this one moment. As journalists, they know that it is their duty to elect Barack Obama. With these journalists, I think, their message is intentional.
(The story was supposed to be “straight news.” Honest.)
Neil Stevens
Steve Maley
Why didn't McCain defend Bush more?
cincinattuscato Saturday, September 27th at 8:57AM EST (link)United we stand.
AARGH! (a decidedly intellectual title I know)
aboyne Saturday, September 27th at 9:06AM EST (link)Says a lot when our guy gets ZERO positive headlines and still is keeping this thing even. Listening to the talking heads, I wonder what debate they watched.
Even Barack seemed to endorse McCain! I LOL’d at this.
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I'll give you this one for free, cincinattuscato: the Romney reference was your first tell.
Moe Lane (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:07AM EST (link)Completely incongruous for the discussion, and it was what caught my attention.
No, I’m not telling you the other tells. You only got this one because the username was actually better than usual.
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Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:17AM EST (link)I’ll see to it that I will buy one. Those who really believes that McCain has won, you can also buy one.
I'm not at all surprised by the NYT
Siberian Saturday, September 27th at 9:19AM EST (link)Unless Obama fell flat on his face it was clear they’d declare him the winner.
But, the larger issue is that the media based on their polls have declared Obama the winner by a substantial margin. The conventional wisdom coming out of this is that McCain lost the debate.
While I may disagree with this along with nearly everyone at this site does as well, the fact is that like the NYT unless McCain fell flat on his face, we’d declare him the winner, right or wrong.
I’m afraid looking back on it that spending the much of the economy debt beating the earmarks drum while failing to address points Obama brought up like McCain’s 300 billion in tax cuts vs the 18 billion a year earmarks are in the budget. McCain rather than branch out spent much of the time on the economy on earmarks which when looking at the bailout (700 billion) and McCain’s tax cut plan (300 billion) Obama made seem very small.
I think it’s things like that which probably caused true ‘undecided’ voters to give McCain the edge. And that’s going to drive the MSM stories and headlines.
Read these comment & tell me who they thought
PaRep (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:31AM EST (link)Wonhttp://tinyurl.com/4yb3ly
On pronunciation....
Moriah (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:31AM EST (link)McCain may have done something very good when he stumbled over Ach-whathisname’s name.
One thing that will turn off a lot of people who think Obama is too “foreign” or who believe he is either a Muslim or just too influenced by Muslim culture is the fact that Obama pronounces the names of Middle Eastern countries much differently than most people here do.
He says them in a way that sounds very similar to the pronunciations used by the people who live in those countries.
Now, there could be a strategic point to it for Obama. When other countries deal with an Anglo-centric culture, any tiny little bit of perceived respect or cultural knowledge that the Anglo shows means a lot. I work with Japanese engineers often since I work nights on my helpdesk. The structure of our organization is confusing — the engineers and I both work for the same company, but I am acting in these calls as a representative of our client, and am often confused for the customer. Due to our customer’s guidelines, I have to walk the engineer through every step and document it all. This leads to strained relations, as we are perceived as rude and not adequately respecting the engineer’s knowledge. So, even though it is questionable whether or not using -san is truly polite, I use it anyway, and usually say something like “Please forgive me for repeating what Heero-san already knows, but I am required to document everything for our records” — and it is truly amazing how well they respond to someone at least showing they have some knowledge of how to show respect and be polite in their culture.
So regardless of if it’s deliberate or not for Obama to pronounce the names of Muslim countries in a pronunciation similar to that their citizens use, it is effective on foreign leaders.
However, it is NOT effective with the American people and reinforces the “foreign” issue.
McCain endeared himself to quite a few people in contrast by stumbling over Ach-whoever’s name. I don’t know if it was deliberate or not, but it will likely work to McCain’s advantage.
Blessings,
Moriah
The NYT is simply writing for their audience.
MikeWas (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 9:35AM EST (link)They’re read by liberal urbanites, who are all voting for Obama anyway and believe that Obama’s debarte victory is a fact, not an opinion.
(Incidentally, it is my opinion that Obama won, but the inevitable “I agree with John” video montage may sway a lot of the undecided who didn’t watch the debate.)
Stop The Presses....News Alert...
Jack (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 10:01AM EST (link)I have it from very good sources that after months of hand wringing meditation, intense scrutiny, thoughtful and deliberate process as well as peering for hours at sheep entrails.
After weighing all of the variables including burning incense.
Checking with the most knowledgeable people on the planet as well as two pilgrimages to the Oracle of Delphi.
I have learned one of the most well kept secrets in all mankind.
The New York Times will endorse Barack Obama.
Jack
“If at age 20 you are conservative you have no heart. It at age 30 you are liberal you have no brains.” Sir Winston Churchill
I would prefer that it wasn't deliberately done.
Moe Lane (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 10:12AM EST (link)This touches on touchy issues, so regular garbling would be preferable.
Luckily, I can’t pronounce the damn name myself, and I’ve tried – I hate giving unintentional offense – so who knows?
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NYT is endorsing Obama? For me, it's an old news.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 10:21AM EST (link)Only a fool wouldn’t think that NYT has been in the tank of Obama since Day 1.
Not to rain on the parade, but...
MadHatChemist Saturday, September 27th at 10:30AM EST (link)I’d say that the debate was at best a draw. And a draw at the debate means an Obama win.
Why? Because it means he comes across as ready enough. THAT is what is keeping him so low in the polls. But if he can convince people that he’s good enough, the election will break towards him big time.
Obama has a silvered forked tongue and he spoke well and directly tot he camera (i.e. to the audience). McCain also didn’t distance himself from Bush…and painting himself as the true alternative to Bush is the ONLY way McCain can win.
There are still two more debates, so it is important to point out to him and his handlers where he was difficient so that he can do better next time.
Not to rain on the parade, but...
MadHatChemist Saturday, September 27th at 10:33AM EST (link)I’d say that the debate was at best a draw. And a draw at the debate means an Obama win.
Why? Because it means he comes across as ready enough. THAT is what is keeping him so low in the polls. But if he can convince people that he’s good enough, the election will break towards him big time.
Obama has a silvered forked tongue and he spoke well and directly tot he camera (i.e. to the audience). McCain also didn’t distance himself from Bush…and painting himself as the true alternative to Bush is the ONLY way McCain can win.
There are still two more debates, so it is important to point out to him and his handlers where he was difficient so that he can do better next time.
Not to rain on the parade, but...
MadHatChemist Saturday, September 27th at 10:33AM EST (link)I’d say that the debate was at best a draw. And a draw at the debate means an Obama win.
Why? Because it means he comes across as ready enough. THAT is what is keeping him so low in the polls. But if he can convince people that he’s good enough, the election will break towards him big time.
Obama has a silvered forked tongue and he spoke well and directly tot he camera (i.e. to the audience). McCain also didn’t distance himself from Bush…and painting himself as the true alternative to Bush is the ONLY way McCain can win.
There are still two more debates, so it is important to point out to him and his handlers where he was difficient so that he can do better next time.
Not to rain on the parade, but...
MadHatChemist Saturday, September 27th at 10:34AM EST (link)I’d say that the debate was at best a draw. And a draw at the debate means an Obama win.
Why? Because it means he comes across as ready enough. THAT is what is keeping him so low in the polls. But if he can convince people that he’s good enough, the election will break towards him big time.
Obama has a silvered forked tongue and he spoke well and directly tot he camera (i.e. to the audience). McCain also didn’t distance himself from Bush…and painting himself as the true alternative to Bush is the ONLY way McCain can win.
There are still two more debates, so it is important to point out to him and his handlers where he was difficient so that he can do better next time.
Well, I can't pronounce it well either.
Moriah (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 10:41AM EST (link)Is it Ach-ma-din-e-shad?
I actually don’t think it was truly deliberate. He got tongue-tied, and sounded pretty much like me when I do. I will usually say “blah!” and it clears my tongue and I try again.
But it made him seem more human, for sure.
It was definitely not out of ignorance — so I think the NYT deciding to jump on it as a sign he was not intelligent was very stupid.
Blessings,
Moriah
It's pronounced Ah-mah-dih-nih-zad
Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 10:56AM EST (link)Here is an audio recording of the pronunciation.
Fumbling of Names
EddieEsq Saturday, September 27th at 11:16AM EST (link)Funny how the NYT chides McCain for stumbling over a difficult Middle Eastern name (I have heard many different pronunciations of this name by many guests and pundits on all the networks), but fail to mention Obama referring to McCain as “Tom.” The point is, frankly, that this is a very silly point. So what! Both candidates had stumbling moments. The fact that the NYT finds this significant further demonstrates the overly bias and partisanship in favor of the left, which fails to distinguish them from the Daily Kos and the Huffington Post. No wonder their readership is shrinking by the day.
I could care less if McCain’s Arabic is sub par and he fumbles a name, but Obama can pronounce it with proficiency. Perhaps I would give Obama the edge in a spelling bee. Obama did attend Harvard, after all. However, what should concern everyone, including the NYT, is Obama’s previous statements that Iran is a small country and not a threat; a position which he now desperately is trying to reverse. Obama does not make the connection between state sponsors of terror and the actual terrorist groups. He seems to feel that if we capture or kill Osama Bin Laden, this will win the war on terror. As much as I want Bin Laden brought to justice, the reality is that his capture or death will not end the war. To actually win, we must cut off the means that gives these terrorist groups the ability reach our shores, and the shores of other nations, with weapons of mass destruction. Without the clout of nations like Iran and Iraq (and you can throw in Syria and Saudi Arabia as well), and their vast resources, Al Queda and similar groups are much less likely to have the means and ability to acquire weapons of mass destruction on the black market, and can be reduced to a local rather than global threat. A good analogy here is arrest the drug dealer, fine, but you must take down the supplier in order to win the war on drugs.
Obama does not make this crucial connection and has said that Iraq and Iran are different animals than Al Queda in the war on terror. When asked by Bill O’Reily who the “bad guys” were in the war on terror, Obama did not include Iran, and when asked specifically whether Iran was an enemy in the war on terror, Obama tried to put them in a different category. His point being that evil rulers, like Suddam Hussein, are a different kind of threat. This Obama posited was our folly in going to war in Iraq under the guise of the war on terror. This perspective is further supported by his desire to not name the Republican Guard in Iran as a terrorist organization. While Saddam and Al Queda may have been at odds in terms of Islamic practice, they had a common enemy in the US, and a common desire to harm us. The same is true about Iran. The realty is this, if you sponser terror, or have joint interest with them in harming our country, whether a nation, ruler, or otherwise, you are a terrorist, period. McCain fully comprehends this, Obama does not.
It is this same difference that does not allow Obama to understand we must promote democracy in the Middle East in order to change their mindset from radical Islam not only being a threat to us, but also to the reasonable Muslim majority. This is another essential component to winning the war on terror. On a smaller scale, we have seen success in this regard in the provinces of Iraq where the Shia realized that it was Al Queda’s jihad that caused numerous deaths amongst the innocent Iraqi people. As a result, they came to an understanding as to whom the real enemy was, not the US, but Al Queda. This has caused the Iraqi’s to turn on Al Queda. While planting these seeds may not have truly been one of our ultimate objectives in entering Iraq (which is another debate for another day), it is a most significant development in our favor and road map to where we need to go.
Obama follows the classic liberal police action axiom, which narrowly focuses on the perpetrator, but not the more difficult task of taking down those who empower the perpetrator. Obama and the left would simply like arrest the drug dealer and pat themselves on the back for doing so, and move on, but not commit the time and resources to win the overall war on drugs. It is victory versus appeasement. Cure versus band aid. At stake is the safety and prosperity of our nation and our allies. This is what should concern the NYT, not whether in the heat of a debate John McCain stumbled on a tongue twister of a name.
Me, too. I'd rather say Iranian President.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 11:19AM EST (link)Who is he anyway?
He had pronounced it properly...
Mark Kilmer (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 11:50AM EST (link)earlier. I think it was just his tongue getting stuck on a difficult name.
BTW, I’ll give Obama a point for mentioning that Ahmadinejad isn’t the one pulling the strings in Iran.
Funny
Pomme (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 12:24PM EST (link)They mentioned McCain stumbling over Ahmadinajad’s name, but completely missed the One stumbling to remember his soldier’s name on the bracelet.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views” William F Buckley Jr.
Business Sense
Davo (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 1:10PM EST (link)An audience that grows smaller every day evidenced by decling sales, ad revenues and last but not least, employees. I heard Rupert Murdock was interested.
Never Give In, Never, Never, Never
Pakistan for D-U-M-M-I-E-S!
streetwise (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 2:18PM EST (link)Check my take on this subject at THE MINORITY REPORT
Corrected Link
streetwise (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 2:23PM EST (link)THE MINORITY REPORT
I'm having a bad day on the net!
streetwise (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 2:26PM EST (link)Re-corrected link:
THE MINORITY REPORT
I was thinking about Obama's "Tom" reference here as well
Just_Me Saturday, September 27th at 5:47PM EST (link)I am willing to give a politician a pass for mispronouncing the name of a foreign leader-especially with a name that doesn’t fit easily into our English phonics rules.
I can’t help but wonder how Obama-who has worked with McCain for 4 years and has been running against for months now mispronounces John into Tom-I think that is far worse a gaffe.
Not to mention it bugged me that Obama kept using the informal first name for McCain while McCain used the more respectful title of “Senator” when addressing Obama. It was a style of address that grated-sort of like having a very small rock inside your shoe.
Those tax breaks of McCain's
GregInFla (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 7:25PM EST (link)are not really tax breaks, but from an overall decrease in corporate income tax rates, if my information is correct. McCain needs to point this out, that tax decreases would also go to companies employing American workers, like most people watching the debate.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
I like President Tom
GregInFla (Diary) Saturday, September 27th at 7:32PM EST (link)which was Glenn Beck’s name for him.
Glenn makes good beer too.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
check your sarcasm detector, Rod.
itrytobenice (Diary) Sunday, September 28th at 12:24AM EST (link)I believe it needs calibration.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Sorry, itrytobenice.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, September 28th at 12:32AM EST (link)Oh, that's OK
itrytobenice (Diary) Sunday, September 28th at 1:22AM EST (link)Just trying to be helpful.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
No, you're right.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, September 28th at 1:41AM EST (link)I should have been more forceful when it comes to NYT. Well, I think everyone was “really nice” that day after the debate because we all knew that McCain won the debate (in fair non-partisan sense). Didn’t you notice that even Moe was so “friendly” and forgiving to the trolls and mobies. LOL!
Back to NYT: I really hate NYT not just because of its biased articles in politics/opinions but also in its inaccurate financial market reporting. The sad thing though is that there are still many people and businesses that believe in NYT.
NYT has really done a great disservice to this country.