Their rhetoric has been tepid. That’s how it came across to me on Saturday night. Sure it’s got lots of new bureaucracy, sure it costs a lot, and they said that. But this bill is a total disaster, a re-structuring of our way of life, and I’m not sure the Republican leadership even yet gets that. They seem to think this is still just a bill they disagree with; they don’t understand the stakes involved.

The only anger, the only real passion I saw was from the Democrats. What’s wrong with our guys? Why can’t they muster up a little righteous indignation about this whole process? Why aren’t they angry, and why aren’t they showing it?

Also, during the last-minute motion the Republicans offered on tort reform, one the Republicans stood up and announced she didn’t want to hear any accusations that this was just an attempt to kill the bill. Excuse me, but that’s precisely what the Republicans should be doing, and they should be saying that forthrightly, and making sure that people know that’s exactly what they’re trying to do. They should be making no bones about the fact they are doing it, and for one moment to be defensive about doing it is unconscionable. It shows just how timid our leadership is, and how clearly they just don’t get it.

What’s deliciously Ironic in this is that by pushing federal health care bill…if this holds…they will be limiting any third party funding for abortions because Insurance plans that currently pay for abortions will have to drop the coverage from the plan in order to qualify for the insurance collective they are forming.

Even better…the squealing on the left has already begun. Brazil was the first…but the rest of them are starting to squawk as well. whether anything comes of this or not…this will be entertaining because we just poured gasoline on the fire in the Democrat’s civil war.

Pas the popcorn…this should be good!

Universal Health Care is the the ultimate prize for liberals that will be a permanent game changer. Defeating Universal Health Care is priority number one for conservatives, everything else is secondary. If we have to gamble something like taxpayer funded abortions, so be it. At the end of the day, I can guarantee you the courts or liberal legislators will eventually find some way to make abortions publicly funded if government is responsible for health care. It will probably be indirectly, like giving block grants to states who then give it to places like Planned Parenthood for birth control and “other” services. Once you let government in, it’s already too late. Universal health care = taxpayer funded abortions. I don’t care what it says in the bill, it will eventually happen anyway.

What concerns me is I think some social conservatives are going to make abortion THE issue of this debate, and I feel like that’s exactly what happened here, causing us to lose an important vote. They were so obsessed with making sure this language was put into the bill to make a symbolic stand instead of effectively using it to kill this monstrosity.

I’m sorry if this offends people, but if socialized medicine becomes law, I really could care less about the issue of public financing of abortions. I won’t take any solace in telling myself, “well, at least abortions are still privately funded.”

Universal Health Care is “game over” for the conservative movement. No country that has passed universal health care has ever repealed it.

First we were told by those in the know this would never pass the House, and now we’re being told it will never pass the Senate. Conservatives are also saying quite confidently, “We’ll repeal it if it does pass once we regain the majority.” To repeal this we’ll need at least 60 votes in the Senate, a majority in the House, and the White House. I haven’t seen that in my lifetime.

If there’s even a chance we can find a way to defeat this, it’s a risk worth taking. Some parts of the conservative constituency may be upset, but we need to unite and make sacrifices for the greater good in order to kill this. I would hope that is one thing that can unite us, but after this vote, I’m not so sure.

It is, just a difference of opinion and I chose to speak up for those of us that think it was BAD STRATEGY (at best, and that they just allowed themselves to be stupidly duped at worst). The Vote was a sham, and Abortions will be funded in the end!

We just have to agree to disagree on the strategy.

Anyone out in the great Idiocracy that would allow themselves to vote for a PLINO under such grounds as this sham isn’t going to pay attention to any manner we work on them. They just don’t care – Liberal Laziness and/or Politically Brain-deadness!

We can argue whether, or how, they would have otherwise gotten the votes – as either way is unprovable conjecture on our parts. Just that, again, I am tired of Republicans giving Democrats cover for things. As it stands now it provides the additional distractions for the MSM spin to distort the main points/problems that is the whole Obamaocare failings/trappings (as touched on with #1 in other post). All Republican actual SOLUTIONS to the HC debate have been Party line vote downs and the favor should have been returned!!

Take care!

Now, if the bill comes out of conference without the Stupak language in it, then there is a good chance it dies in the House, as I am sure there are at least 3 of the pro-life Dems who would vote against it on those grounds. However, if it comes out of conference without the Stupak language AND without a public option, then all bets are off, because it will lose some pro-life Dems, but pick-up some blue-dog Dems.

I don’t think one of them would jump ship. Not one. In fact, I’m glad they won’t. More ammo to call them out in 2010.

Yes, I believe they are wrong. In fact, I believe the Roe decision is right up there with Dred Scott as one of the most abysmal abuses of Court authority in the history of the country, although these days that seems to be getting to be crowded territory. Yes, I believe the best thing that could actually happen on the whole court ordered abortion thing is that they just admitted they were wrong and that the opinion was written by activists seeking a specific outcome they believed in rather than being the logical determination resulting from an exegenisis reading of the law. But that’s not the way this legal system thing works.

There will be a different excuse next time, but even if the amendment gets pulled in conference, I expect all 41 to vote how Comrade Pelosi tells them to.

We should care, because in our scenario, we would have gotten the bill, without Stupak. That would have been a worse outcome.

Now we have a poison pill neatly inserted and set to act on both sides of the Dem divide. Either it’s in and Liberals are forced to choose. Or its out and Blue Dogs are forced to choose. Your strategy would have left no choices on final passage for the Dems, assuming the bill gets out of the Senate.

We should care, because in our scenario, we would have gotten the bill, without Stupak. That would have been a worse outcome.

Now we have a poison pill neatly inserted and set to act on both sides of the Dem divide. Either it’s in and Liberals are forced to choose. Or its out and Blue Dogs are forced to choose. Your strategy would have left no choices on final passage for the Dems, assuming the bill gets out of the Senate.

Pro-Life Republicans knew this was just cover (Duplicity) voting….

Mooncalves led to the Slaughter…. The STUPID (er… Stupak) Amendment is just a strategy boondoggle Republicans stepped in out of LAZINESS and unwillingness to VOTE NO and have to go back and actually engage, explain, educate, constituents as to WHY it was all a SHAME/SHELL-GAME Vote and a NO vote the Right vote (and NOT, by any means would it have been a Pro-Abortion vote). LAZINESS. A NV (Not-Voting) would have been the appropriate stance (no-one could claim they were Pro-Abortion funding that a NO vote would have allowed).

Further…. just proves, IMO, my whole CINOs/PLINOs, and Pavlovian-Blue-Dogs contention. The Stupak Amendment just provided cover for them to vote for the POS which should never have happened, because…
1- (supposedly) Removing Abortion funding from it does NOT make the rest of the Bill ‘GOOD’ – as if the Abortion funding was/is the only ‘BAD’ thing in it!
2- Duplicity Votes – Setting up Duplicity Votes – the have it both way Game Politicians play to be able to say anything during Campaigns
3- Abortion funding WILL STILL OCCUR – Liberals/Democrats ALWAYS consider themselves ABOVE THE LAW and ignore them when convenient to their causes…
3A- The ‘Abortion funding exclusion’ will NOT survive the Conference/Consolidation ‘compromise’ process when it comes time to join in Conference/Committee the House and Senate Bills
3B- Liberal bureaucrats will still pay for ABORTIONS paying for them billed as something like a generic ‘Pregnancy Services’ term – or the like BS (as discussed in one of the Townhalls primers: here, here, here, here, here, and HC issues summary here, don’t recall off-hand which one)
3C- If they ALLOW it to survive into the Final Bill, to again provide cover for CINOs/PLINOs, and Pavlovian-Blue-Dogs Democrats (and maybe a few Republicans) to vote for it under Pro-Life grounds (and again, see #1), it will be stripped on a Saturday Late night, or reversed by language stuffed into the middle of some other Bill, otherwise removed undercover of the night, at a later date. Haven’t people learned anything?!?!? LIBERAL INCREMENTAL-ISM at its most obvious yet again!!!!
4- HHS Sect. under these Bills has SOLE DISCRETION and job of putting forth the “minimal standards” qualification and can/will put Abortion funding back in by fiat. — I hear some say that would provide a conflict! Democrats DO NOT CARE and will invoke only those portions of Law that suits their moving their agenda forward and ignoring all else!
5- Liberal Judge Activists — no more needs saying on that one!

as a whole aside from the HC Bill, just about Abortion in general…
Kathy Ireland/Abortion- Kathy Ireland/Abortion- Kathy Ireland: best anti-abortion comments ever made and more on her words here. Huckabee had a former Planned Parenthood worker explain how/why she quit after being involved in a Sonogram assisted Abortion and seeing the CHILD fight for its Life during the process!

Voting against Stupak would have created a (greater) rift in the Republican Party – voting for it creates a rift in the Democratic party

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