White House Admits to Slow Gov’t Takeover of Health Care


It was always in the plan.

MSNBC’s First Read reported last night that the Obama Administration is now saying that illegal immigrants will be specifically prevented from obtaining coverage under the president’s health care proposal.  The chage comes on the heels of Rep. Joe Wilson’s (R-SC) “You lie!” outburst during Obama’s health care address to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday.  Although the president denied from the rostrum of the House chamber that illegals would be covered by the plan, the Administration thought it necessary to make changes to the existing proposal in order to clarify the issue.

But the bigger story the MSNBC missed with its focus on the Wilson flap is found in the second bullet point sent out by the White House last night.  The Obama Administration inadvertently confirmed that the president’s plan will begin a slow take over of the health care system by the federal government.  How else could this be interpreted?

“Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.”

In other words, as the federal exchange takes hold, plans not complying with the federal government’s standards will start to disappear.  Eventually, it won’t make any sense for any company to offer health insurance as the federal requirements will make the business of providing health insurance far too expensive, and the premiums far too expensive for the insured.

The result will be that everyone will wind up with no other “choice” than the so-called public option, just as the Administration has planned all along.  It took Wilson “calling out” the president’s “misinformation” and “lies” to finally get the Administration to admit it.


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This is the unfortunate circumstance...

fmaidment (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 12:41PM EST (link)

…of any government program that “competes” with private business.

The government gets to set the rules, change it as it sees fit, and never has to score points (make money) to win the game.

The result? All the other players take their ball and go home (or rather, leave the marketplace).

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How does any initiative that shrinks the market

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 12:56PM EST (link)

encourage competition? They really MUST think we are all stupid. There’s simply no other explaination for their approach to the facts.

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That, or they honestly believe it

fmaidment (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 1:08PM EST (link)

…which of course, would mean they are too stupid to govern.

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Why is anyone

kowalski (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 1:41PM EST (link)

Why is anyone lamenting the fact that Joe Wilson stood up during the address the other night and called the President out?

You know, for a long time I was notorious on this blog and elsewhere (Caleb Howe knows) for being a miniature version of John McCain every time there was a bit of news about Republicans that could be spun negatively by the people in the press and by the Democrats themselves. I was a hand-wringer for Republican decorum who lamented Terri Schiavo, Dick Cheney and his shooting accident, and a lot of other things small and large.

Each time some event happened that I worried about liberals using against us, I sat here and whined and cried about it, and more than anything else criticized our side.

Those days are over. These are not ordinary times and we have no ordinary team of prevaricators in the Executive Branch. Joe Wilson spoke for millions of people when he stood up and said what he said, all thoughts of decorum aside. The President and his lapdogs in Congress and the press really need to understand that we’re going to continue to object to the policies of the Obama Administration vocally, on line, and with our dollars and our votes. Otherwise the Ratchet Mechanism™ that Bob Hahn so precisently wrote about on this blog is going to continue clicking left irreversably.

I find it more than ironic that Vladimir Putin himself talked about the mistakes of State control while he was in Davos. Here’s Mad Vlad Putin as free market Capitalist:

In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.

Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.

And yet that is precisely what the Obama Administration is trying to do.

One of our State Reps. standing up during Obama’s Biggest Snowjob and calling it out as such should be something this blog is standing up and cheering. There should be more of it, not less. The people in Congress who stand up to this President should be rewarded generously, not rebuked or chastised.

The Ratchet Mechanism

kowalski (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 1:52PM EST (link)

Just as an aside:

I hope the Editors will look back through the archives and dig out Robert A. Hahn’s post about the Ratchet Mechanism from several years back and I hope he’ll reprise it himself in one of his classic front page tour de force posts, because it needs to be said again.

The big picture of what is going on with this healthcare bill is a vast expansion of the authority of the federal government that will be irreversible once it occurs, for reasons political, psychological and demographic. The people who want to Rahm it through know that very well.

I hope Mr. Hahn will reprise that post again here, it was one of the best things that was ever written at this weblog, and it applies more than ever before at this particular moment.

And as an aside aside...

kowalski (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 1:54PM EST (link)

Someone please close my italics tag. Boy, the more things change… ;)

 
 
 

Nothing wrong with worry, unless it paralyzes you.

archer52 Saturday, September 12th at 2:21PM EST (link)

To Kowalski:

Eisenhour worried every second of every day in the war. He just didn’t let the worry paralyze him. Glad to have you on board the “Screw ‘em” train. Political correctness is a cancer living within the culture of this nation. And a good deal of our decline can be directly connected to it.

Sometimes a man just has to stand up and say what he thinks and tell people what the facts are, regardless if it “offends” some else.

The bad mouthing arrogant politicians of today are lucky they don’t live in my grandfather’s time. They would have suffered bloody noses at the least if they tried to push their loudmouth agendas on men like him.

The good news is that PC may be reaching its limit. People will tolerate a lot in the name of diversity, but not go broke, watch their kids suffer, or loose their nation.

Oh, they’ll try to push universal healthcare as a right, or the right thing to do, but it has not traction. That leaves simply forcing it on us. If in 2010 the system is still in place, we’ll have the chance to vote them out.

If not, well, there is always my grandad’s solution. You’d be surprised how effective it is.

Hear, hear, archer52!

RME KRNL Monday, September 14th at 10:42AM EST (link)

I’m a crusty, old, retired Army colonel, plus I’m from the South where what the DC pols politely call being “disingenuous,” we call just plain “lyin’, so I’m already not that PC anyway, either by training or by nature.

And I’m a multiple gun owner and still a better than just fair to middlin’ shot, too, so I’m ready for your grandad’s solution if need be.

RME KRNL

Rmekrnl, I'm right there with you.

towerclimber Monday, September 14th at 3:47PM EST (link)

I am a crusty old Ex-Army NCO and I agree with you.

Folks, many political elites scoff at Americans who were buying firearms at the beginning of Obama’s election.
that’s because they’re too stupid to see danger looming in front of them.
HR3200 is simply one of the last straws.

if you notice, HR3200 gives the IRS the ability to LEVY FINES against citizens if they don’t have “adequate” health care coverage.

wtf?? I will openly defy the government…ANY government to levy fines against me for the state of my health care coverage.
they can lie and hem and haw all they like..but the minute they attempt something that is such a blatant act of tyranny, I will advocate for armed insurrection.
I’m tired of being pushed around and by God, I’m not going to take it anymore.

“The ultimate result of shielding man from the effects of his folly is to fill the world with fools.”
Herbert Spencer

 
 
 

"Non-exchange market"

nsander1 (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 3:09PM EST (link)

Doesn’t HR 3200 specifically forbid a non-exchange market for individual coverage? If it’s not individual, how would people be able to “choose” their coverage anyway, through their oh-so-responsive corporate HR departments?

 

its here now

mrbill Saturday, September 12th at 5:08PM EST (link)

There has always been an item on this in the bill. A section says that after 5 years all insurance programs will be evaluated. If the Gov. doesnt like it then it will be rolled into the Gov plan.

This is just a shill for Single payer and always has been.

No plan will ever meet their wants and all will be rolled up into one large cluster*uck.

 

Oh boy "Fannie Med"... can't wait to see how that will turn out.

Old_Crow (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 5:25PM EST (link)

“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison

 

HR3200 will drive up costs (so any Public Option Trigger compromise - is Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun)...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, September 12th at 10:40PM EST (link)

It is just dumb for anyone to entertain any thought that LIBERALS in Govt. will ever allow Costs (and Budgets) to ever go down!!!

from HC Townhalls: Steny Hoyer (D-MD) edition.

(avoiding the HR3200 consequence/fact) More Govt. regulations and paperwork will DRIVE UP not reduce costs and bring us more Lawyers and Office Administrators to deal with it NOT Doctors

more and even more

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But isn't that good if it drives up costs?

bk (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 5:37AM EST (link)

Pelosi said last week that the only way to reduce the deficit is to add a trillion of health care spending to it. The more you spend, the more you save!

Sounds like Pete Stark's logic. nt

Xasteius (Diary) Monday, September 14th at 11:05AM EST (link)

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

 
 
 

ILLEGAL ALIENS

beanerecmo Sunday, September 13th at 2:14PM EST (link)

are to be prohibited from receiving healthcare without paying for because BHO intends to make all current illegals aliens residents of the US through an amnesty program that will be supported by McCain and other liberals (there are no moderates; there are liberals or conservatives); consequently, those 12 million will be eligible for medical care through the government (you and me) paying for it. Besides, unless the bill specifically says it supersedes EMTALA; illegal aliens will still receive medical care in ERs. EMTALA: The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (42 U.S.C. § 1395dd) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

I was a liberal until I learned to read, got a job and was mugged by willful tax and spend regressives (aka progressives) and naive acolytes.

In reference to your 'there are no moderates, there are only liberals and conservatives"

avgamerican (Diary) Sunday, September 13th at 4:01PM EST (link)

I second that. Moderates turn out to be liberals or conservatives who haven’t figured out yet what they really believe.

 

no responsibility, no moderates

moebadderman Monday, September 14th at 2:23AM EST (link)

Beanerecmo wrote:

“there are no moderates”

You’re right, the principle of moderation went out the window along with what Vladimir Putin called “the principle of personal responsibility” — see Kowalski’s post above. When people feel no personal responsibility for what they say and do, and have no other principles to constrain them (honour, discipline, dignity, etcetera) then they feel free to be extreme as they please.

 
 

Wait, the author of this article...

RME KRNL Monday, September 14th at 10:23AM EST (link)

…actually seems somewhat surprised that MSNBC missed the main point of this whole incident. Isn’t that what MSNBC normally does, either because they’re Obama apologists and propagandists or because they can’t get outside of their own liberal lame-brained bubble enough to know what’s really going on?

RME KRNL

 

SLOWLY I TURN, STEP-BY-STEP, INCH-BY-INCH

robertbelvedere Sunday, September 20th at 6:27PM EST (link)