New York Terrorists Radicalized in Prison


Tell us again why it's a good idea to bring terrorists into the country, Mr. President?

Where demanded by justice and national security, we will seek to transfer some detainees to the same type of facilities in which we hold all manner of dangerous and violent criminals within our borders — namely, highly secure prisons that ensure the public safety.

President Barack Obama, May 21, 2009

Authorities in New York have discovered that the four alleged terrorists arrested last week while planning to blow up a synagogue and shoot down a U.S. military plane were all converted to Islam while in prison.  The four were attendees at a Newburgh, NY, mosque, where Imam Salahuddin Muhammad is the spiritual leader.  Muhammad also serves as a Muslim prison chaplain.

The revelation comes just two days after President Obama uttered the words above, announcing his plan to bring some of the terrorist detainees currently held at Guantanamo Bay into the United States to be held in the U.S. prison system.  The president assures that no one has ever escaped from one of the federal Supermax prisons.  But as the case of the New York terror cell demonstrates, escape is not the only issue.

President Obama wants to close Guantanamo to appease America’s allies, indeed to appease America’s enemies, who see the prison as a blot on the human rights record of the United States.  The president believes that Guantanamo has served as a recruiting tool for terrorists around the world, “likely creating more terrorists than it ever detained,” he said.  But if his unprovable assertion is taken at its word, one convenient fact about those new terrorist recruits is that they are not here.

Bringing high-value terrorists into the United States would definitely serve as a recruiting tool for al-Qaeda, whatever the circumstances of their detention.  Even at Supermax, where communication with the outside world is almost certainly very closely monitored if it is even allowed at all, a diabolical terrorist like Khalid Sheikh Mohammad would serve as a symbol for terrorists around the world – a living martyr – inspiring them to acts of vengeance and bloodshed against Americans.  He would also serve as a powerful example for other radicalizing Imams and inmates in the general prison population, potentially turning out a new crop of terrorist wannabes like those four in New York.

The followers of another high-profile terrorist in U.S. custody, the leader of the first World Trade Center bombing conspiracy, Omar Abdel Rahman, routinely make threats against the United States for his continued captivity, and in the event that he dies in custody.  These threats have been idle ones.  But how much harder will al-Qaeda plot and plan aganst America once it has the “justification” of having one of its top lieutenants held on American soil?

If President Obama really believes that committed terrorists like those held at Guantanamo can be brought to the United States at no cost to the overall security of the nation, he is either hopelessly naive or dangerously ignorant.  The New York terror cell was formed in American jails, led by an American Muslim cleric, and, through the leniency of the American justice system, released onto American streets.  It is simply not worth the risk that Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and others held at Guantanamo would be given the chance to radicalize more Muslims in the U.S. prison population, to say nothing of terrorists abroad.  President Obama’s play for adulation from elitists and foes alike could help create the next homegrown terrorist cell.  Maybe next time, it won’t be caught.

Cross posted at Mark on the Right.

 

 


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Then what do we do with these people?

leftylurker (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 9:07AM EST (link)

Nobody else will take them and Guantanamo makes people no less “living martyrs” than a supermax. We have to do something with them.

So, I don’t know much about the law here, but couldn’t we reclassify them as actual prisoners of war, comply with the Geneva conventions, like, by giving them their chocolate bars and athletic uniforms, and then hold them for the duration in POW camps?

well, the more I hear about the Super-Max

David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 9:11AM EST (link)

and how it is inhumane and turns people into piles of jello from being isolated — the more I like it.

And just as a subtle torture, paint an arrow in the wrong direction toward Mecca…..

hahahaha

leftylurker (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 9:13AM EST (link)

I feel so guilty laughing at that, but I can’t help it.

 
 

The Supreme Court has already ruled that we can hold

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 9:19AM EST (link)

them for the duration now, so long as they are determined to be enemy combatants without regard to whether they are also classified as POWs under Geneva.

I think I am going to do a follow up to this column

http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/05/20/obama-can-transfer-gitmo-detainees-without-congress/

to cover all the implications under recent precedent to bringing them here.

Hint: There aren’t many…

see also Hugh Hewitt on this

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/2a10dab6-0d23-469d-8ee3-4f588c6dc413

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thanks GC!

leftylurker (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 9:21AM EST (link)
 

They're not prisoners of war

Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 9:40AM EST (link)

Period.

JE

technically, Jeff

David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 9:45AM EST (link)

since they were scooped up on the field of battle, and they were not wearing uniforms, they are spies.

According to the “rules” of war, spies can be summarily shot!

I suppose it is a little late for that…

yes, spies fit into the catagory of "illegal" enemy combatants - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 10:07AM EST (link)

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yes, they do not fit the technical, legal definition of POWs

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 9:51AM EST (link)

They are prisoners captured while waging war, illegally and so do share a characteristic that under the laws of war allows them to be held indefinitely until hostilities cease. I think it is important when explaining this to the non-lawyer general public, that we explain that POW is term of art since under the normal meanings of the words “prisoner of war” they would fit given they are people at war with the US that were captured and taken prisoner in a war.

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There is no reason to move them.

reddog53 (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 11:33AM EST (link)

While it may be true that they continue to be ‘living martyrs’ at Gitmo, holding them there remains the best course of action. In spite of the President’s rhetoric, the decision to put them there was not an ‘ad hoc’ or hasty decision by the Bush administration.

We could observe the Geneva Convention for Al Queda, but the issue there is that there is no state signatory to the Convention that represents their interest. We are in fact holding to most of the important parts of the Convention in any event– the Red Cross is granted access, the prisoners are well cared for, etc.

The notion that we have to move them to make the Europeans happy is just laughable–they continue to operate prisons on islands in the Atlantic for their own citizens.

The distinction should be made that these are enemy combatants, not people guilty of federal crimes. They are to be tried by military commissions, not federal courts. Blurring that distinction is just silly and in the long term will slide us back to considering this a series of criminal acts instead of the war that it is.

 
 

This is happening all over the country

Return to Revolution (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 10:28AM EST (link)

and is the root cause of the increase in police shootings in Philadelphia over the last few years. Philadelphia Magazine ran this article, the radicals among us, some time ago.

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/the_radicals_among_us/

Out of hand Constitutional fetishist

 

I worked for a State Corrections Department

Superheater (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 11:21AM EST (link)

Although I was an accountant and not actually part of the corrections staff; I had regular contact with those folks and was required to be trained due to the fact that I was in contact with inmates.

I learned very early that while a substantial number of converts to Islam because adherents provided protection, there’s enough “true believers” to make it an aggressive and disruptive force. An example is the general dietary dictates of halal and the annual Ramadan fast that provide endless opportunities for inmates to opportunistically grieve. Prisons have long served as recruitment bases for the “great religion of peace”.

The left’s obsession with closing Gitmo is equivalent to introducing the “killer bee” strain of Islam into stateside facilities.

^5. nt

Steve Maley (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 11:26AM EST (link)

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

 
 

Muslims in prison

rfpzzzzz Sunday, May 24th at 10:26PM EST (link)

The black muslim movement is very strong within the prison system . In my opinion it is not a benign entity but a strong and potentially dangerous element similar to other gangs. It is very easy to grow, plan and operate criminal activities within the walls of our prisons.

How would the USA benefit from giving constitutional rights to those at Gitmo and those to be picked up in Afghanistan or wherever in the future by bringing them to US soil?

Ahh...the many Democrats headed to jail want to scheme with the terrorists in US prisons

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 11:17PM EST (link)

I finally understand

 
 

I, like Michelle Malkin,

TNJim (Diary) Sunday, May 24th at 11:44PM EST (link)

am wondering why there was no mention of these terrorists during Obama’s speech on homeland security. Perhaps it’s because the arrests came just a few hours before the speech so there may not have been time to put it in the TOTUS. But I also don’t recall it being mentioned later in the week either. Maybe they were too busy trying to debunk Cheney’s speech of the same day. Or just maybe, as Michelle states, “doing so would force Obama to abandon his cottony “extremist ideology” euphemisms and confront the concrete truth. To borrow one of our obtuse president’s favorite clichés, “let me be perfectly clear” about the reality Obama won’t touch: America faces an ongoing Islamic jihad at home and abroad. Not merely “man-caused.” But Koran-inspired. Yet, Obama refuses to spell out the centuries-old roots of the war that he claims he’ll win faster, better, and cleaner than any of his predecessors.”

Read it all here. She also references the same NY Post article Mark does above.

You made your speech, Mr. President, so now when it comes to stopping others like these four terrorists, what’s the plan? Is there one?

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