Democrats Try to Legalize “Smoking the Cheeba” in DC


“Something to go with that pile of taxpayer cash, Mr. Congressman, sir?” Well, yes I think the Mexican Sensimilla would go just fine. Seems like a farcical introduction that would otherwise get one in hot water on this site, doesn’t it? But alas, it is just one potential scenario that would play out if the latest piece of comical legislation from Democrats on Capital Hill comes to light. No. Really. Here’s a brief snippet;

“Yesterday, the U.S. Senate passed the omnibus spending bill of $1.1 trillion, loaded with earmarks and spending for government agencies, while this week the House will likely vote to raise the debt ceiling – and Virginia’s Democratic lawmakers went right along for the ride.

The 1,088-page package contains over 5,000 earmarks, including provisions to transfer Guantanamo Bay detainees to the United States, as well as provisions to allow taxpayer funded abortions and the legalization of marijuana in the District of Columbia.

Emphasis mine of course. So as the Democrat “Fat Cats” in Washington roll around piles containing trillions of our hard earned cash, the smell of ink is apparently not seductive enough. Now they want to also roll themselves some of the funny stuff- as if we didn’t think they were already doing that. Oh and don’t get to excited if this is your type of thing. It’s only for Washington DC.

Nothing would distract the taxpayers more than to get them walking around oblivious to the governmental destruction taking place in Washington. I suppose next they will try to impose a lower federally mandated drinking age, since Democrats are losing that demographic also.

Yes, but they are doing the peoples work.

PS: I had to look up the aforementioned reference.



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darn those conservative values...

dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 2:38PM EST (link)

So you are in favor of spending billions every year to lock up otherwise law abiding citizens? How many people does marijuana kill every year? zero…. How about alcohol, cigarettes, and poor diet? 885,000 people every year.

The war on drugs has only done one thing and that’s erode our constitutional rights. The drug war made the 4th amendment effectively a joke… “I smelled marijuana therefore I can just bust in and take a look around” Amazing what you can get away with when all you have to say is “I thought I smelled marijuana”

Of course we didn’t really need that amendment anyways right?

also....

dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 2:41PM EST (link)

Could someone explain to me why alcohol required a constitutional amendment to ban, yet marijuana only needed a simple law?

The real problem tends to be people are only “friends of the constitution” when they agree with the outcome… since “marijuana is bad” most “conservatives” seem to be cool with the violation of our constitutional rights.

I have to agree with you on this one

Leopard1996 (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 2:42PM EST (link)

This should have always been a state issue from jumpstreet.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

 

So we should legalize marijuana? Subsidized at taxpayer expense perhaps?

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:22PM EST (link)

Spare me the alleged libertarian nonsense. You have to make a better argument for legalizing marijuana (and by the way, why not every other drug) than the ubiquitous “it violates the constitution”.

The Bill of Rights says citizens will not be deprived of liberty without due process of judgment. SCOTUS ruled in cases such as Gonzales v. Raich, et al this is covered under the Commerce Clause. It is also part of legislation such as The Controlled Substances Act (may not be the correct name, but you get the point).

I think this may all be debatable in the context of our Tenth Amendment, but nobody has made as effective legal argument yet.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

Is alcohol subsidized at the taxpayers expense

Leopard1996 (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:25PM EST (link)

Just because something is a law doesn’t necessarily make it right. I am not a smoker of marijuana, but if someone wants to smoke it and then not be productive, their loss. I also think some other laws should change too, so that their non-productiveness doesn’t become MFP.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

Short answer, yes.

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:37PM EST (link)

Look at all the earmarks and expenditures around alcohol in all forms (beer, wine,etc.) you would be surprised- well perhaps not.

As an aside alcohol is regulated.

Next,someone will say there should be “Medical Alcohol” .

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

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dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:43PM EST (link)

Alcohol also kills nearly 100K people every year…. Marijuana… not so much.

 

I'll answer your 2nd point

Leopard1996 (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 6:05PM EST (link)

No one is saying unfettered access to pot. Mostly all of those that would like to see pot have some semblence of legality want the same type of regulation that is done with alcohol, (21 to consume, driving under the influence is loss of license, jail time, and fines, other laws that also apply to alcohol).

The subsidy part, I can’t answer one way or the other, but I do know that if my congress critter voted for something to subsidize that industry, my foot would be meeting their ass out of their office through my vote, and my work against them.

Corporate welfare is another thing that I would think that a Majority of this blogspace would be against as well.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

 
 

just needed to follow up with somthing...

dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:42PM EST (link)

Just because someone smokes pot does not make them “unproductive”…. unless you count 8 gold medals as unproductive :)

I was going for extreme measures there

Leopard1996 (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 6:01PM EST (link)

But I do believe in people’s individual rights to do what they want with their own bodies, therefore if someone wants to toke the bong, their business not mine. When they decide to get in a car because nachos from Taco Bell sounds like a good idea after those bong hits, when they hit me, my wife or my mailbox, then it is a problem for law inforcement.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

The word that I was looking for was hyperbole

Leopard1996 (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 6:16PM EST (link)

I was going for hyperbole there. Just like anything else, there are extremes. You got Michael Phelps winning 8 golds after probably being a moderate user, then you have some people that I know and went to school with that were hitting blunts 5 times a day and sat in their rooms playing Mortal Combat contemplating the spirtuality of the game.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

 
 
 
 

are you kidding me?

dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:33PM EST (link)

At taxpayers expense? You do realise you are paying _now_!

In 2003, marijuana related arrests reached another all-time high of 755,186; 88 percent of these arrests were for possession, not the manufacture or distribution, of marijuana. The cost in imprisonment of these offenders amounts to $1.2 billion each year.

In fact I would say 99% of all marijuana costs revolve around the fact that it is against the law.

The report estimates that legalising marijuana would save $7.7 billion per year in government expenditure on enforcement of prohibition. $5.3 billion of this savings would accrue to state and local governments, while $2.4 billion would accrue to the federal government.

and that’s just savings… I would assume we would tax it also if we legalised it….

he report also estimates that marijuana legalisation would yield tax revenue of $2.4 billion annually if marijuana were taxed like all other goods and $6.2 billion annually if marijuana were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and tobacco.

http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/mironreport.html

So a net gain of ~12 billion dollars if marijuana were legalised.

And if your worrying that prohibition keeps usage rates down and therefore costs would go up if it were legalised then you need to explain to me why we are different from every other country who has decriminalised marijuana and seen usage rates go down!

You should read http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/greenwald_whitepaper.pdf which covers the 6 years post decriminalisation in Portugal.

Funny, you excluded almost 20% of crime is drug related

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:48PM EST (link)

-wonder if we can quantify that cost?

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

what is a crime though?

dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:50PM EST (link)

If I am arrested for possession is that counted as “crime”?

Trolling is a crime on this site

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:56PM EST (link)

That one is free.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

you gotta be kidding me...

dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 4:00PM EST (link)

You say 20% of all crime is drug related… All I am saying is if being arrested is “a crime” then for all I know 90% of all drug arrests are for “possession” and therefore your 20% means absolutely nothing.

Or better yet 2008 had 754,224 possession arrests out of a total of 847,863 marijuana related arrests… or 88% of all marijuana arrests are for simple possession.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

It'll give those kids on the street something to do.

NightTwister (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 2:55PM EST (link)

You know, the ones who had their scholarships taken away?

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

another sad state of affairs...

dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 2:58PM EST (link)

You can go murder someone do your time, and then once your out you can get a government scholarship to pay for your education…. but if you smoked a joint and got caught no education scholarships for you.

Because we all know murder < smoking weed

Not what I was referring to...nt.

NightTwister (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 4:04PM EST (link)

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

 
 
 

The Mexican drug lords won't be happy

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:27PM EST (link)

They may move on in to D.C. to disrupt this “legal activity”.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

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dave_in_atl (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:40PM EST (link)

According to the Office of National Drug Control Policy, Americans spend about $9 billion a year on Mexican pot.

Seems like we should legalise if only to keep an additional 9 billion out of the hands of the Mexican drug cartels.

Mexican drug cartels reap 62 percent of their profits from U.S. marijuana sales.

BTW… know what happens to the average company when they lose 62% of their profits overnight? They go under!

know what happens to the average company when they lose 62% of their profits overnight?

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 3:56PM EST (link)

Or they go after the competition

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 
 

Well, this is one sure way to prop up property values in DC

Finrod (Diary) Monday, December 14th at 8:11PM EST (link)

I can see plenty of houses being bought on the cheap in DC for use as grow houses should this actually go through.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

 

No. Really?

zroxx (Diary) Tuesday, December 15th at 1:29PM EST (link)

Because legislation that legalizes marijuana in the District of Columbia would certainly be big news. So I tried to verify the headline here, and only came up with:

… the final version of the 2010 Consolidated Appropriations Act lifts the restriction that prevented the District of Columbia from implementing a medical marijuana law approved by voters in 1998. The restriction, which prohibited D.C. from using any money to put the law into effect, was originally known as the Barr Amendment, after Bob Barr, then a Republican congressman from Georgia. [cite]

Washington, DC will finally be allowed to implement the medical marijuana initiative that voters overwhelmingly approved in 1998 but has been blocked by Congress each year since then. [cite]

I tried to locate the specific verbiage in the bill that repeals the Barr Amendment but couldn’t find it; I did find this bit which is interesting to me:

None of the Federal funds contained in this Act may be used to enact or carry out any law, rule, or regulation to legalize or otherwise reduce penalties associated with the possession, use, or distribution of any schedule I substance under the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 801 et seq.) or any tetrahydrocannabinols derivative. [cite]

So on this one they look to have actually gotten it right. A federalist approach (insofar as you might concur that the citizens of D.C. should have the opportunity to decide such matters themselves) and keeping federal taxpayer funding out of it (i.e. let D.C. local taxes cover it, I presume).

If you wanted to complain about something and be accurate you could have chided them for including federal funding for needle exchange in D.C., another topic that ought to be left to local government (and local taxes) to deal with.