A possible breakthrough in the stalled two front culture war is developing. The debate over if gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military began back in President Clinton’s first days in office, and according to President-elects Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, Obama is prepared to end the compromise of “don’t ask don’t tell” and spearhead a new offensive for the secularist’s drive into the military when he takes office.
According to a Fox News report, Obama told a gay magazine that: he can “reasonbably” see it being repealed. But that was a far cry from Gibbs’ unequivocal promise that the policy will indeed be ended.
On his transition website he addresses the issue pointedly
“The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited,” reads an entry on the president-elect’s transition website.
The military has long been the target for secularist as the last bastion of a traditional, orderly, and conservative sub-society in America. The military has its own culture and has long been insulated from most social movements by its own laws and authority but has at times taken on reforms and made changes throughout its history. The racial integration of all the armed services and allowing women to serve are but just a few. However, the military operates on a system of standards and a code of conduct that reinforces its traditions and promotes good order and discipline that enables full efficiency in whatever mission is at hand.
Rather if one is patriotic and homosexual does not matter. Individuals with a homosexual lifestyle and openly expresses it do not fit the standards according to the UCMJ. Just as someone who has one leg or an abnormality through no fault of their own and, is also patriotic, does not fit the proper physical standards set by the U.S. military. Therefore, can not serve based on that fact. However, a top down ruling by lawmakers will circumvent centuries old rules and regulations, standards and traditions, for the sake of progressiveness and secularism and force on it their views of society just as it has been forced on America.
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Good post
Critical_Thinker (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 4:56PM EST (link)Good post as usual Jason., By the way the WE is coming along very nicely.
Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. -Sir Edmund Burke
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I oppose such legislation on the grounds of that it's improper for politicians to dictate the minutae of military protocal and procedure
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 15th at 8:43PM EST (link)But is there evidence of a decrease in military performance in countries that do let gays participate in the military?
Israel, for example, allows gays to serve openly, as do many others, and it doesn’t appear to have affected them much. If someone could cure my ignorance on the matter, I’d greatly appreciate it
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
There are stats included
Loozianajay (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 11:27AM EST (link)To answer your question there are some stats included in the post that show what possible effects it could have on over half of the military.
Regardless it it decreases military performance, which I happen to believe it would on a lot of levels, is not the point. The important part about all of this is that the liberal, secularist, progressive wing of the Democrat party are attempting a power grab while they got the numbers to do it.
The military will be the one to suffer and take what a group of law makers who would never even consider serving impose on it. It will happen much in the same way it has happened to America.
Liberal, secularist, progressive!
exitsfunnel Friday, January 16th at 1:42PM EST (link)You make it sound like the idea of allowing gays to serve openly in the military is somehow radical when in fact the public supports it by a two to one margin. If its not the people’s elected representatives job to decide these issues, whose is it? And if they’re not supposed to represent their constituencies, who should they represent?
-exits
I Doubt Many People in the Military Care
jonathanswift (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 12:58PM EST (link)This used to be an issue. Now, it does not seem to be.
I think the call up of some IRR people who were gay during the 2004-6 trough in the war effort changed a lot of opinions.
If they can’t be blackmailed and they can read Arabic and soldier, do we care? My sense is: “No.”
I could be wrong.
My relatives and friends in the service
Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 2:09PM EST (link)Are almost unanimously in favor of allowing gays to serve openly, though with the proviso that they obey the UCMJ’s provisions regarding fraternization and so forth (obviously).
The world ain’t gonna end if we allow gays to serve openly in the military. Hold ‘em to the same standards as everyone else and kick out those who can’t do it. Seems simple enough to me.
Sexual tension could certainly be a problem, but it’s not as though we don’t already deal with that. And frankly I’m not sympathetic to whatever minority (and I’m quite positive it is a small minority) of our men and women in uniform are actually bigoted against homosexuals. Nearly everyone I know in uniform is a mature professional adult. I am emphatically not worried about how this plays out. I trust our men in women in uniform to tackle this change with the class and skill they’ve always shown.
This would not be the first time elected officials foisted openness on the military. It worked well in at least one example, and I must confess a certain similarity to the arguments opposing that one as well.
I’m a lying troll.
Stop assuming
Loozianajay (Diary) Friday, January 16th at 10:14PM EST (link)And go look at the military times polls. Pull a number of polls and see for yourself. They are out there. The article has the link and numbers.
Secondly, it has nothing to do with bigotry or homophobia and everything to do with standards, traditions and code of conduct. The military itself decides what standards must be met. And as of now, along with 60% of the armed forces says that gays who openly express it goes against the UCMJ and doesn’t uphold the military image.
Don’t ask, Don’t tell was the best of both worlds.