Obama’s Speech to School Children


Mike Rowe, from “Dirty Jobs” fame, is currently advocating for more social acceptance of blue collar jobs.  He documents the shortage of high skilled trade jobs like welders and pipe fitters (the WSJ has also covered this – http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121910464115051361.html), and he believes that one of the reasons for this is that society paints this type of career path as the consequence for not completing college.

If you read the text of Obama’s speech, he perpetuates this elitist attitude that not going to college should be considered as a failure. If you’re planning on reading the speech, you might consider reading it as if you were a high school junior or senior who is excited about becoming a tradesman. I can’t see this speech playing well with the 75% of the population that hasn’t completed college.



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You know, this is a good, good point

Jack_Savage (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 9:06AM EST (link)

Slipped by me as I read the speech. Excellent point.

Mike Rowe Rocks!

bonyson Tuesday, September 8th at 5:47PM EST (link)

Good thing that celebs standup for the working people, and he’s a lot better than joe the plummer!

 
 

5 and a recco...One of RedState's contributors should

blooch Tuesday, September 8th at 9:19AM EST (link)

prepare a response the the President’s speech, and this should be in it.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

Kowalski

blooch Tuesday, September 8th at 9:35AM EST (link)

My two sons, ages 5 and 8, want nothing more than to be bush pilots in Alaska. My Chinese wife has made the concession that they may do so if they go to Harvard first. It’s going to be contentious around the house in about ten years.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

 
 

The cause of this is that they've dumbed down High School

The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 9:30AM EST (link)

to the point that what you usually have after college is what a high school grad 2 generations back would have had. So to some extent, you do need the college degree. So both problems need to be fixed.

High school seems more difficult now than in the 70's

bcb1 (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 5:17PM EST (link)

Dude, I don’t know where you went to school, but my wife and I graduated from hs back in the early 70′s and it was a joke. I went to school maybe three days a week, and worked part time (and got credit for it!). I routinely skipped school, and I got mostly A’s and B’s, graduated in the top 50 in a class of 400. A total joke. College on the other hand was a different story, the first year was a cakewalk but the 3rd and 4th years were very difficult, at least for someone like me. You know, they say ignorance is bliss, and I’m usually one of the happiest people on earth, lol. But classes like Principles of International Law, International finance, senior seminar in Economics, Microeconomics III….I can’t imagine a high school student has ever taken classes like that?

And high school now is much tougher. My daughter is a senior and routinely has two hours of homework a night. I probably didn’t do two hours of homework a WEEK when I was in high school. I really don’t see how our educational system has gone downhill in the past few decades – if anything it’s more difficult now.

Just a rural high school with the same attendance as you

The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, September 10th at 1:56PM EST (link)

about a decade later. It’s not the amount of homework that matters, it is the subject matter covered. We covered the Constitution in 7th grade and had to understand things like the separation of powers and the tension between strictly adhering to the granted powers and elasticity. I was in the Academic/Honors classes because I knew I was college bound. Took Latin I in the 8th grade so I could take Latin II in the 9th grade and be done with it. Then was told they would be looking for 4 years of language transcripts, so I took 3 years of Spanish. Covered Algebra I in the 8th grade so I could finish the Calculus class when I was a Senior. Added Probability and Statistics to my course load in the 10th grade when we took geometry (and lucked out that the only math teacher I ever admired taught both classes). Granted my 9th grade history class was a waste (knowledgeable teacher, too laid back about his subject, didn’t care that 99% of the class routinely cheated on his exams) but it at least exposed me to actual copies of the Congressional Record. Senior year I had Physics and Astronomy. If I had realized Astro was a rocks for jocks class and that I already knew more about the subject than would be covered I would have taken Nuclear Sciences instead, but that might have been just as much of a waste from what I heard about the class. I did about an hour a night of homework, but I am also fairly bright and one of those really weird kids who loved school more than summer vacation.

The sad part is, for all that, it really does only cover things that kids going to school in the 50′s were expected to know earlier. Most of what I learned didn’t come from school, it came from reading books. My Dad loved the history of WWII, which ironically we never covered in our US history class. Barely made it through the Civil War, where again my earlier outside reading was more extensive than what was taught in class.

But I talk to high school students about any of these things today and most of them are lost. I’ve even stumped professional lawyers with questions about basic Constitutional principles, and THAT scares the heck out of me.

 
 
 

heh

dave_in_atl (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 9:33AM EST (link)

My brother is a welder…. He has a college degree, and is actually pursuing further education. Having a blue collar job and being highly educated are not mutually exclusive.

Education is important, not because it helps you get a job, but because it helps you become a better human being.

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
–Thomas Jefferson to C. Yancey, 1816.

Kudos to your brother ...

loganyung (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 10:30AM EST (link)

But, it doesn’t sound like he is aspiring to continue in his welding career for very long.

It is not necessary to go to college to continue one’s education. Further education can be achieved simply by reading and investigating by yourself. ScienceDaily is a good site for this.

What's wrong with welding?

bantamwait (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 12:31PM EST (link)

Our Founding Fathers came from all walks of life and understood that the nation needed all occupations to succeed–and didn’t view being a farmer or a shoemaker as conflicting with being an educated person and a participating citizen.

Let’s send the Marines to evacuate refugees from Libya and shut down the drug gangs in Mexico–and make the Marine hymn relevant again.

 
 

Proof: Look at 1920's Textbooks For Grade and High Schools

Ausonius (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 10:40AM EST (link)

As a teacher in both high schools and grade schools, I used to dismay my colleagues by giving them examples.

The evidence is there and it is clear! e.g. Look at 19th-century school texts for English, which had excerpts of Shakespeare for 8th Grade!

Imagine the outcry today! “That’s ridiculous! Shakespeare is too hard at that age!”

Another measure is newspaper writing: when you compare the vocabulary, sentence length, and amount of writing in newspaper articles (and the advertising) from before the Video Age, the difference is striking.

Amen to Dave In Atl !

The point is that schools in the 19th century and before the Video Age were NOT preparing people specifically for college!!! In 1900 the majority #1 occupation in America was … Farmer! Why then did the local school teacher bother country bumpkins with Shakespeare or Milton in the 8th Grade!?

Maybe because there is more to life than just…money and jobs and influence?

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

Cato@rock.com

Right on!

bantamwait (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 12:32PM EST (link)

n/t

Let’s send the Marines to evacuate refugees from Libya and shut down the drug gangs in Mexico–and make the Marine hymn relevant again.

 

Try McGuffy's Readers from the 1870s.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 12:40PM EST (link)

The typical college grad today would struggle from the fourth or fifth reader and the vocabulary and sentence complexity in the sixth would be a challenge for any but the best adult readers today.

If you want your kid(s) to be superb readers, McGuffy’s are still the ticket. It’s all about patterning, rhyming, memorization, and phonics. If you pattern a kid’s reading early with the real thing, the schools won’t be able to mess them up with this year’s latest illiteracy strategy.

In Vino Veritas

5 Art and they are available online

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 1:33PM EST (link)

http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/m#a5671

It would need some formatting for little eyes but they are there. :)

 
 
 

Unless I were a legacy, I'd send a kid into apprenticeship

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 10:55AM EST (link)

in the trades and crafts before I’d send him/her to college. Trouble is, the schools brainwash them about college and if they’re into sports, college is almost the exclusive route.

If you’re a legacy, you’re probably rich so the kid doesn’t get burdened with loans and s/he’s really just going for the networking; if you know the right people you can be dumb as a stump and still be rich and powerful.

In Vino Veritas

I agree

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 1:48PM EST (link)

I want my son to go to vocational school when he is 18. He will finish high school with an associates degree but I want him to go for a year or two for something practical and get an applied skill instead of transferring right to a four year school. People are like no he doesn’t need vo-tech school but I want him to have a skill when he is an adult ASAP to be able to support himself and a future family.
I hope I don’t suddenly get dumb when I’m 38 for him to take my advice, I see that a lot with young men. :)
I agree with brainwashing too. Outside of the departments like math and physics it’s crazy what goes on.

 

I'm not sure how a trade would help some kids...?

bcb1 (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 5:28PM EST (link)

I mean, for a kid interested in being an autobody painter, a welder, a brick mason, an LPN, a Paramedic, an x-ray technician, dental assistant…sure, tech school is the way to do. Nothing wrong with that road at all.

But for others – let’s say a kid that wants to be a teacher, there is no vo-tech schooling for that profession. A kid that wants to be pre-med, pre-pharmacy, pre-dental, same deal. My daughter wants to be a P.A. and she plays volleyball, so there’s no choice but college.

Sometimes I think the politics thing in college is way overblown. I went to a liberal arts school in a liberal town, and I had a blast. It was just a typical school. I never remember being talked to, asked, or discussing politics with anyone in the four years I was there. Ever. I’m sure there were probably political groups and clubs, but I don’t even remember seeing signs or events for them. When I was in accounting class, we studied accounting, period. Same for chemistry, physics, international law, you name it.

It was in the air and water and that's why you're saying the silly stuff

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 5:39PM EST (link)

you’re saying here. Of course you didn’t talk politics; college kids are mostly there for the sex and booze, but your professors and your textbooks were an endless stream of propaganda. The kid who gets a skilled trade will make more than all but the most successful professionals if s/he can parlay the trade into owning the business.

If a kid has a genuine interest in a profession and has that interest before college, of course you send them to college. Most kids are clueless about what they want to do or be and just go to college because that’s what you’re supposed to do. That’s where they fall into the Gramscian snare.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Yeah, but aren't most of those jobs union?

Lammo (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 6:45PM EST (link)

I can’t really talk because I’m a lawyer (supposedly educated :-) ) and basically have to belong to two (the Washington State Bar Association and AFSCME as a county prosecutor – - closed shop in both cases). I would have a hard time recommending anybody go down a path that would almost certainly require them to go union.

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)

 
 
 

Maybe I am missing the point here.....

rolltide002 (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 4:54PM EST (link)

but I see nothing in the speech about dissuading someone from a trade. If you want to be a welder, you still have to work hard to get there. He even mentioned military service. Nitpicking, methinks. I get the feeling alot of people around here are just angry he didn’t appear on screen wearing a black power shirt, and sign off with a “Heil Hitler.”

Roll Tide and Semper Fi

I think you 'are' missing the point.

loganyung (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 6:12PM EST (link)

Yes, he did mention the military and the police, and that was a good thing, The point is that the USA needs to ‘encourage’ people to go into the trades, and that was missing. His speech was largely a barbell, talking about not counting on becoming a rap star or a basketball star on one side, while talking about becoming a Writer, Supreme Court Justice, or an iPod inventor on the other. Not much for the overwhelming majority that sits in the middle.

By the way, cut the baseless accusation crap. It cheapens any valid argument that you might have. You imply with your signature that you are a Marine, but I doubt that, because this statement isn’t befitting of a Marine.

He's banned; don't worry about further attacks from him (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 6:16PM EST (link)

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Thanks.

loganyung (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 7:00PM EST (link)

Thanks Neil, it looks from this guy’s other posts on other sites that he has a hard time staying away from profanity.

By the way, you may want to look for users who are using their accounts primarily to spam (e.g. http://www.redstate.com/users/bonyson/). It’s a consequence of you guys gaining popularity. I guess that is cause for a ‘congratulations’!

 
 
 

G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 6:16PM EST (link)

Yeah. I knew you from your first post.

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Another Consequence of the Obama School Speech

loganyung (Diary) Tuesday, September 8th at 7:07PM EST (link)

Just thought of this. Kids all across the country were piled into auditoriums to view the speech? How many additional cases of Swine Flu do you think this speech caused?