Yesterday, Glenn Beck had a program that had 2 purposes. first, to let us know we are not alone ” out there”. That there are many more of us & we surround them—-to prove the point ,he asked everyone to gather on the 13th to watch his show. At home, in a restaurant, in a parking lot—wherever people could gather.
We went to the restaurant designated in our city. There were about 250+ people. The owner explained that he feared card check & high taxes would shut down his establishment—-that is why he opened it up with a big screen TV & food .
The second part of Glenn’s point was that we need to return to the September 12th mentality. Not 9-10, when we were unaware/ignorant. Not 9-11, when we were in shock & afraid. On 9-12 we were one country. We knew what to do and forged ahead, aware and determined.
Was anyone else at a gathering ?
Moe Lane
Steve Maley
Dan McLaughlin
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
There are tens of millions of us and we're gonna take this country back for freedom and liberty
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 4:12PM EST (link)I somehow became a co-organizer of a “we surround them” group here in South Flori-duh. We thought the “watch party” yesterday in Coral Springs would be around 20-25 people. We ended up taking over the entire bar-restaurant, including their two big dining areas. The guy who started the thing less than two weeks ago was blown away. We had the local radio station on site (WIOD – they air Beck, Rush, Hannity and Levin), along with the Coral Springs town commissioner who’s a really good guy.
I met almost 300 new friends yesterday. Seriously. The count was 288 and almost everybody stayed for at least an hour or more after the airing.
Believe this: There are tens of millions of us and we’re gonna take this country back for freedom and liberty…… God willing without anybody anywhere ever getting hurt.
Cheers !
Didn't go to a gathering,
Praying (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 6:07PM EST (link)But watched the entire show at home. Inspiring, moving (who thought Glen Beck could cry on air out of love for his country). The photo mosaic was incredible – and they said only about 10% of the photos received. (See it at http://www.glennbeck.com/). They’ve got a new website: http://www.the912project.com/. Glenn said they got the biggest server they could find – it crashed early into the show because so many people were trying to access the site. So we know there are many, many out there who feel as we do. Now if we can just get ORGANIZED and TAKE ACTION. We will stop those in Washington who want to take down this great country. God is on our side. We surround them.
No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming
What is up with the crying?
liberalrepublican (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 8:40PM EST (link)He asks like he is so afraid and scared and balling.
Totally turns me off.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Hey, I agree
DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 8:53PM EST (link)I do think that Glenn is a little emotional sometimes and I have to turn the channel or the radio station, but I usually think it has to do with my inability to feel comfortable around a man crying. Thanks, Dad, for the overbearing teaching of “Men Don’t Cry” when I was growing up. Dad was a Marine and Grandpa was a Navy man so I guess I understand why they taught that.
That being said, I really do admire Glenn regardless of my feelings of awkwardness when he does show his emotion.
Awww, come on, guys.
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 9:02PM EST (link)It wasn’t that bad! A few tears in his eyes out of love for his country. Reagan often teared up, too. Had it happened inappropriately, as in timing, I could see the gripe.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
There is a difference...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 9:31PM EST (link)Reagan got misty at the Normandy beaches or after the Challenger tragedy. Honoring great heroism.
Glenn gets teary eyed when he is afraid of the future.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Those weren't the only times he teared up.
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 9:48PM EST (link)Addressing the nation, he often teared up when speaking of this country and its potential. His love and belief in America were that strong.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
Exactly...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 9:51PM EST (link)He wasn’t crying because he was afraid.
I like emotion.
Pessimism and fear is not appealing to me.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Ditto
djemi (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 9:29PM EST (link)On the admiring Glenn and feelings of awkwardness when he does show his emotion. The ‘British Stiff Upper Lip, Take it like a man’ was where mine came from though.
“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
“With age, comes Wisdom, but only if you are paying Attention, son” my ‘Old Man’
RS Help files (h/t JLenardDetroit) Grassroots in Michigan
Moes Strategy
~whine~
Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 9:20PM EST (link)Everybody feels like crying, he’s just doing it.
I”m glad we have someone out there showing emotion and getting pissed and shaking his fist.
We should all be getting as pissed off as Glenn.
Just sayin’.
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
ditto
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 9:49PM EST (link)times 100.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
We are Amy and StephC...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 10:25PM EST (link)I am angry as all get out, as much so as probably Glenn is. BTW I listen to the man in the morning, and watch his show. Much of my sorrow has been replaced with outrage, but it is most likely representative of my age group (angry young man). Who’s to say that when I reach Glenns age I might be more in touch with the emotion side, but at my age it mostly turns to anger and disgust.
I think what librep is saying is that some of us are very out of tune with this side of our human side, been that way since our fathers brought us up to think, brave, no fear (yes, I have fear, SPIDERS), and no emotion.
I guess this is why I crack once in a while
No....
liberalrepublican (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 10:35PM EST (link)Not it.
I’m very positive about the future. I believe, as individuals, we have a once in a lifetime opportunity in front of us. Countless fortunes are going to made in the next few years.
As a young man, I would be looking to make my mark in this world, not be angry.
Anger is a wasted emotion. It will eat you from the inside and make you think you don’t have control over your life.
What happens in Washington is interesting, but what happens in YOUR life is infinitely more interesting.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Sorry, did not need mean to put words...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 10:38PM EST (link)your mouth, my bad.
Secondly, anger is more beneficial then sorrow if used in the right manner. Anger and outrage are a response to surrounding and external stimuli as a evolutionary response to the fight or flight mechanism. Yes, anger can be harmful, but only if not checked with some sort of channeling of it into constructive activities such as work, exercise, or whatever else you can do with the energy. Anyway, LibRep we are all different, more like the 30 something here and anger has served me well when turned into action. Rage is the one you have to watch out for.
Absolutely...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 10:51PM EST (link)Action trumps all.
If you take action, that’s all that counts.
And, I suggest taking action outside of this nonsense in Washington. You can do way more for this country by creating jobs for people or teaching locals kids how to read or volunteering for your church.
Washington isn’t real.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
SHENANIGANS
Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 11:39PM EST (link)It isn’t real? I respectfully call shenanigans.
I think taking action is 110% the most important thing someone can do, whether it be in Washington, against Washington, or just in the community. But I also believe that everything is connected; things that happen in my community tend to reflect what goes down on the Hill. It’s not “nonsense” or child’s play or men behaving badly (or girls gone wild…I’m all for equality here) or whatever else people blow it off as.
Anger isn’t a wasted emotion if you can channel it into productive action…I do this all the time.
Sorrow leads to anger, anger leads to action, and action leads to TAKING DOWN THE DARK SIDE
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
Since you went down the "dark side" road...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 11:47PM EST (link)How did I know you would do that?!
Amy Miller (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 9:37AM EST (link)“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
Simple...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Monday, March 16th at 12:23AM EST (link)great minds think alike.
I agree
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:44AM EST (link)True victims of this irresponsibility need us. The MSM likes to make up victims and sob stories while the real ones and their problems are invisible. I think right now there is an explosion of homelessness, not from the people who had houses and are foreclose and refuse to find a place to rent before the sherriff shoes up sob sob rolling my eyes but from the groups that have always have trouble just paying rent to a place that doesn’t quite meet their needs and they are doing the best they can do. Extended family that was the traditional safety need is not usually there now. Under stress people act funny and more and more families will be broken in various ways. I’m seeing more and more beggars on the street and I guarantee for every visible beggar or family “counted” as homeless at a shelter there are a gazillion times more kids sleeping on a couch. Buy sleeping bags, diapers, hygiene products, sheets (they are around $3/at wally word), kids and teen size socks and undies, give them to your church or charity or crisis pregnancy center. People can’t buy those type of things with food stamps. Pick up pop tarts, box drinks and boxed snacks, the kids with waiting with their parents at charities can have something just for them. By all means if you know of a family that has “niece/nephew/cousin/sister and the kids, etc” staying with them, find a respectful way to give them a gift card, even give it to the pastor to give to them if you don’t want to embarrass them.
The laws they make in DC are quite real.
Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 9:49AM EST (link)Something of which many are going to become painfully aware over the next couple of years.
In Vino Veritas
They are real...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 10:18AM EST (link)But they have absolutely no impact on my success, happiness or productivity.
None.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Then you're either deluded or working entirely on the gray
Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 10:27AM EST (link)and black economy. In which case, they will have an impact when they catch you.
In Vino Veritas
Bull
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 11:41AM EST (link)Compare to 40 years ago…
The standard of living is significantly higher. Medical care in socialized medicine countries is way, way higher.
It’s not that hard to reach a level of success that would be considered rich 40 years ago.
I’m sorry. We are living in the richest time in the history of the world, in the richest country in the history of the world, the freest country in the history of the world etc etc etc…
Seriously, it’s like winning a $10 million lottery ticket and crying because your taxes are going to go up.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Wow, you are also living in the past, librepub.
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:02PM EST (link)We are no longer the freest country in the history of the world, nor are we the richest. And where do you get your stats that show that medical care in socialized countries is way, way higher? And if that’s so, why are people from Canada coming here to get medical care that they can’t get at home with their wonderful socialized medicine?
Point of clarification...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:09PM EST (link)I meant that medical care in socialized countries is way, way better than the best care 40 years ago.
What country is freer? What country is richer?
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Bull back atcha
Beaglescout (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:13PM EST (link)The tax-raising promises of Obama and the Dems have led directly to the destruction of half the nation’s wealth. They have destroyed the IPO system in this country with Sarbanes-Oxley. FIrst their policies made real estate unaffordable for new homeowners, then they caused the market to collapse and impoverished many more. Their policies and cronies created the credit default swap market which is at this very moment destroying the credit rating of top shelf companies like Berkshire Hathaway and GE and putting even these well run companies in danger of failure. Their tax increase, energy reduction, price increase, and union favoritism promises created an Atlas Shrugged effect starting before the elections in 2008, one which is getting worse now. Companies are going out of business or downsizing. The real unemployment rate is 15%. The stock market is teetering on the edge of another big fall. Business and finance types do not trust the Present or the Congress to do anything right for the economy. All they have left is hope. But hope won’t pay the bills. Soon this economy will drop back to 70s or 80s levels. Yes, that’s better than the Great Depression of the 30s, but it was a lot poorer than it is now. We will all have to simplify in ways that many people are not ready for. And other than repair shops and cheap entertainment (like direct-to-video movies and a resurgence of entertaining newspapers) I don’t see too many opportunities opening up that don’t tie directly to increased government regulation and taxation. And those opportunities don’t increase economic activity. They just suck money out of the productive economy and put it into a pseudo-tax expense category.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Maybe...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:25PM EST (link)But I doubt it.
In my opinion, this economic crisis has more to do with a financial & housing bubble than what Obama has done or hasn’t done in the last 8 weeks.
I honestly don’t see Washington as the center of the economic universe – I honestly don’t think they have nearly the control people think.
Economies ride cycles up and down. We are in the middle of a particularly nasty down.
We will soon be riding an up cycle. And I have absolutely no reason to think that this cycle will change.
Who is going to beat us? Europe? They are more socialist than us. China? Way more government control than us.
Seriously – even AFTER all the changes Obama makes (which I think will hurt more than help) we will STILL be left as the world’s best economy.
And guess what? Once this crisis is over the American people will remember how much they love freedom and a bunch of this stuff will be rolled back.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Which proves thaty ou haven't been paying nearly enough attention.
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:33PM EST (link)Have you not read anything that has been written about how Obama and his cronies are trying to buy themselves a permanent majority by getting card check and by giving entitlements to over 50% of the nation? Have you not read or remembered a thing about how the Federal courts have been stacked with lefties over the past 20 years?
To so casually say that a bunch of this stuff will be rolled back is to deny the reality of what is being done under our very noses every single day. WAKE UP!
I am not saying things are getting worse...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:45PM EST (link)You are missing MY ENTIRE POINT.
I am not a supporter of Obama. I am not happy with what he is doing.
I AM OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE FUTURE OF AMERICA.
We have had great presidents and bad presidents. Times of prosperity and times of war and despair.
And we have gotten through all of them. And more they gotten through them – WE HAVE THRIVED.
We will continue to thrive.
Washington isn’t the center of the universe.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
You are missing the big picture--this guy and his
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:50PM EST (link)plans for our country are not like any other time in our history. Can you not see that? Because if you can’t, then you are either in for a very unpleasant wake-up, or you are what Achance suggested–a longterm moby.
I’m optimistic about America, too, by the way. But my optimism means that I’m hoping and praying that enough of us are willing to stand together to fight what is being done to our homeland by those who want to make it into a marxist showcase.
I just have two comments.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 3:22PM EST (link)First, the economic crisis – markets look forward, not back.
Second, give me two examples of roll back of power once in place.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Yep, deluded.
Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:17PM EST (link)If you have a home, its value has been dramatically diminished as the result of laws and policies made in DC.
If you have savings, they have been dramatically diminished as the result of laws and policies made in DC.
If you have a pension, it has been made insecure if not unviable as the result of laws and policies made in DC.
Sure, we still live well. If you close your eyes to it all, you can still be comfortably uncomfortable, but fundamentally, the US government has acted to confiscate the earnings and savings of a generation of Americans.
In Vino Veritas
I was hoping you'd show up for this round, Art.
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:22PM EST (link)Given yesterday’s news that this administration is now planning on ruining the small farms–what’s left of them– I cannot figure out how this guy thinks that we are still the freest nation in the world anymore.
and let's not forget
loewenbrau (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:25PM EST (link)the PTB, no longer recognize terrorists & illegals—do not believe that helps stabilize our economy,etc.
Really?
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:30PM EST (link)1) You really think housing is down because of Obama and not the stupid, idiotic derivative based nonsense on Wall St?
House prices were way, way, way inflated. Even in SoCal, housing is still higher than 10 years ago.. by a lot. They have come down from crazily inflated bubble highs – not a bad thing.
2) Saving rates throughout the country have gone up in recent months.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
The mortgage problems started with D.C. and that's what is making them worse.
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:35PM EST (link)And savings have certainly gone up while consumer spending has gone way down. The one thing that HASN’T gone down is government spending, which is based solely on taxing the crap out of all of us.
Change the handle, liberalrepublican, you're just a liberal.
Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:37PM EST (link)People here have been a lot nicer to you than you’ve deserved but really, you’re either one of our longer-lived mobies or you’re just a fool.
I never said Obama, I just said government. Plenty of blame to go around.
Government policy caused the bubble and allowed the deriviatives and other nonsense.
Government policy encouraged if not caused NINJA loans.
Sure, fool, people are saving as an abstract concept because they don’t dare spend due to the insecurity of the economy.
Now, I’m tired of you. I swore off replying to you a long time ago. Don’t know why I had this moment of weakness.
In Vino Veritas
That was going to be my comment this last time, too.
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:46PM EST (link)To lose the “republican” part of his user name. Like you, I think we’ve been more than tolerant.
Go Back..
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:48PM EST (link)Read what I wrote.
In there anywhere is there anything other than a feeling that this crisis will pass and things will be better?
Can you imagine someone having the audacity of saying in 1978 that things would get better? Or in 1983?
Or 1933? Or 1941?
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Further delusion. What you said was:
Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:52PM EST (link)“But they have absolutely no impact on my success, happiness or productivity.
None.”
You said that in relation to laws made in Washington, DC. To which I responded that you were deluded if you thought that or were not living on the economy. I retract the second statement, you’re just deluded.
In Vino Veritas
Achance...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:01PM EST (link)You are right.
I was really just talking about my mentality. It comes from playing sports.
I should have explained the context a bit better.
But when I wake up in the morning, that is how I operate.
And Washington isn’t alone of the list of things that will have no impact on my success.
And I feel bad for someone who wakes up afraid of how someone is going to stop them from achieving. That is bondage – paging Jesse Jackson…
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
No, I'm not fearful of my achievement being stopped,
Achance (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:05PM EST (link)I’m fearful of the fruits of my achievement being stolen by the government and the parasites we’ve allowed to survive and prosper in this Country.
In Vino Veritas
Well said...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:14PM EST (link)Sorry about giving you a hard time.
I’ve learned a bunch from you.
I don’t mean to be so combative – I have a bit of a stubborn streak in me and don’t like anyone telling me what to do or think.
But don’t think what you write doesn’t have an impact or make me change my opinions – it does.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
And I will be gone for a while...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 3:41PM EST (link)I enjoy this site and being around people smarter than myself, but at the end of the day, its a diversion.
I’ll be back, but it won’t be for while…
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
In 1983?????????????????
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:58PM EST (link)We had Ronald Reagan in the Oval Office and a Republican Senate. 1983 was one heck of a lot better than 2009. I was there.
1983...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:04PM EST (link)Unemployment was higher than right now.
And the Dow Jones was little down and basically stagnate for 15 years…
Times were tough. But they got better. A lot better.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Yes, because we had a president who recognized
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:09PM EST (link)the benefits of freedom, both in the market place and in political terms. That is not the case now. And we don’t have a Congress that is likely to stop this man from achieving the lefties’ fondest wishes from the 60′s forward.
The only thing that is likely to stop him will be something huge and devastating, such as another very bad attack on America in some way, or a series of natural disasters. And those natural disasters have been waiting in the wings for quite some time.
Can you imagine Andropov criticizing Reagan for regulating the American economy too much?
David123 (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:42PM EST (link)nt
:-)
David123
Sure did
Jack_Savage (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:36PM EST (link)Because we had a President who declared war on American business, raised taxes, and stifled productivity and investment and generally talked down America.
Ummm…wait…he did the OPPOSITE of what Obama is doing. So would it not stand to reason that Obama’s policies will produce the opposite result?
Times got better BECAUSE OF Ronald Reagan
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:37PM EST (link)and for no other reason.
BObama is no Ronald Reagan.
Reagan worked to deregulate the economy, BO is doing the opposite. RR reduced marginal taxes, BO is doing the opposite. RR supported the idea of a strong military to defend our national security, BO is doing the opposite. RR supported small business, BO is going to tax small business out of existence with the help of card check.
The only apt comparison to 1983 and 2009 is that 2009 is the negative print of Reagan’s ’83 photo.
Really?
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 2:33PM EST (link)“and for no other reason.”
What about the productivity of the American people?
What about Michael Dell, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates etc..?
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
You do realize that people can't be productive
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 2:39PM EST (link)if the economic environment—excessive taxation and crushing regulation–is stacked against them. The ones you mention couldn’t do what they did in the world that Obama and his cohorts want to create. Not in America anyway. They would be going elsewhere to work their particular brand of creative mojo, much like corporations are now heading to Switzerland to escape the burden of corporate taxation here.
We will just have to disagree...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 2:44PM EST (link)I can’t wait to wake up tomorrow and get to work!!!
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Get a head start and leave for work now. n/t
janis (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 2:50PM EST (link).
finally...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 3:26PM EST (link)Something we can agree on
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Derivatives were a part of the problem, but the housing bubble was caused mainly by Fannie
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:37PM EST (link)and Freddie policies that were accelerated in the late 90s – coupled with movement of investors from stocks to real estate after the tech bubble and 911 made the stock market flat for years; coupled again with too low int rates after 911 for too long.
Obama is responsible partly for the above along with other dems that supported the fannie policies and refused to let reforms by Bush and McCain get past threatened filibusters in the senate.
Obama is presently responsible for the stock market drops since Sept due to his vote for the Paulson plan and even more so for his policies since Inauguration that are an assault on capital.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Mike -
liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:40PM EST (link)You nailed it.
Government intervention into the housing market caused the bubble.
But, a recession would have come anyway – that’s the nature of our economy.
Government intervention made it worse and MORE government intervention is going to limit the next up cycle.
But without a doubt, an up cycle is coming.
And without a doubt, there is opportunity for all.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Which is exactly what Achance said about housing.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:50PM EST (link)As far as the “opportunity for all”, that remains to be seen. Over the next two years we are going to see a flood of legislation and regulation the likes of which have never been contemplated. And the result will not be a good one.
Government intervention in markets never causes prosperity. It causes things like the dotcom bubble and the housing bubble and when the bubbles burst people like the Dems see the need for additional government intervention to protect us.
Is there an up-cycle coming? Probably in five to ten years and it’ll be nothing like the cycle after the 1987 market crash. You’ve said you’re a business owner, you better have a good attorney because you’re gonna need one to figure out just what the impending legislation and regulation really means. The next decade will be ugly and most of the people who are going to be “doing well” will probably have government contracts.
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liberalrepublican (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:58PM EST (link)And don’t confuse this for support of Obama – I don’t support him…
But China had done great – they loan us money, Europe is full of millionaires and the standard of living in Canada is pretty good.
We have a LONG way to go to even get close to the level of control government has in those places –
so why can’t a person still succeed? Why can’t we keep a standard of living equal to Canada or Germany?
Again – I’m not supporting Obama – I am only arguing against a doom and gloom future.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
actually, china has LESS economic regulation
icbm (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:03PM EST (link)and yes, people can still get rich even under european socialist governments. the question is how many fewer, how much less rich, and did they make their money because of their own efforts or because they were favored by a govt program? when govt bureaucrats choose the winners, the result is less market competition and hence less opportunity for others to win. it also means, frequently, that winners don’t have to produce as much of a benefit to the rest of society in order to win.
that is, if you can call it “winning”…
I don't believe you...
penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 2:38PM EST (link)I’m fairly new to Redstate, but your comments “liberalrepublican” just don’t support a conservative viewpoint. When you talk about the “millionaires” in Europe-you leave out the issues related to their middle class. In fact, just this week was the stat that Europe has a 30% lower standard of living than we do. Obama and his elk are destroyers of the middle class. Their policies knock more and more of the middle class down into the group dependent on government. Our own “Skandenberg” often writes about the economies of Europe.
The leftist have managed to become the “ruling class” in our country. Socialism has been coming insidiously, for several decades. The tactics used by Obama and his far left henchmen/women are communistic.
By the way, more than 50% of Americans have been saving via their 401ks and that is not included in the savings rate calculations.
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the definition of gloom and doom has a higher threshold here - more later - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 4:56PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
China "had done" great - yes, relatively speaking
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, March 16th at 11:10AM EST (link)My point? That the idea that China has been an economic juggernaut that can’t be stopped was always false. Yes, they have done well, but the reason they have such high growth numbers is that they start from such a low level and their absolute level of GDP and esp per capita is nothing compared to the USA.
Yes, it would take a long time for us to be less prosperous than Europe, but the road to hell begins with a single step, and given that the first step was in the progressive era, with big steps in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 2007-present, we have reason to worry that the level of prosperity we could have in the future could be greatly reduced is real.
My optimism is that we will wake up soon and are now, to stop a lot of the damage Obama and the dems are doing.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
yes, an upside may be coming and I agree that a recession of some sort
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:18PM EST (link)would eventually have come and that it would have been pretty bad anyway given the debt of persons and the govt built up for 25 years but I think what we have done since Sept but esp since Jan 20 makes the coming upside less “UP’ may make it come later than otehrwise and makes us poorer in the future.
Now, I think the debt and policies at Fannie were going to make us have to pay a price for years no matter even if Reagan came back to life with a 100% GOP congress. No new laws can suspend the laws of nature.
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
opportunity for all
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 6:36PM EST (link)That is so true.
I know I'm female but...
Steph C (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 11:41PM EST (link)when I’m angry, I cry. Once the crying is done, I can focus on what needs to be done and do it without the anger guiding the way… if that makes sense.
Doing things while full of anger leads one to make wrong decisions sometimes. I prefer to be cool headed.
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DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 11:59PM EST (link)a foundation for the man, never bogged down with repressed emotion, and I as a man would not have it any other way. Anger has always been the driver in my life, do something with it, because without it I seem to be with out passion or drive to make changes. Of course, sucess and incentive help too, thus the drive to be better.
Anger is good, only if you can control it and focus into action, w/o it what defines the drive to make change.
Anyway on the topic of Glenn again, what he is trying to do is admirable, I just wish I had 1% of the influence that man has.
Don't despair
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 12:59AM EST (link)We are on the defense so we need to rest if necessary but we should guard despair. There is no way we can teach our children to be good citizens if we are full of fear. Of course we should fight against bad laws but for the things we can’t change *right now* we can show our children the error and instill in them never to be like that. Depsair is really our enemy when we are tired, I’m sure that is a cliche from another place sorry for using it.
oops that was a reply to a man crying over the future
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, March 15th at 1:02AM EST (link)I have never seen his show but I think many are full of despair right now.
Glad to see Glenn...
TNJim (Diary) Saturday, March 14th at 10:40PM EST (link)… get on Fox. He seemed so out of place on CNN HLN. As he said on a recent show he couldn’t do the things like “We Surround Them” over there. Fox is giving him the latitude now to do just that. Keep up the good work!