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	<title>Comments on: Who Pays Corporate Taxes? Workers Pay Corporate Taxes</title>
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		<title>By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ljmiller96/2009/09/22/who-pays-corporate-taxes/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporations don&#039;t pay taxes. They pass them along to their customers.

But the nature of prices is that companies can&#039;t unilaterally set them. So the impact of corporate taxes does not fall primarily upon customers (except through reducing aftermarket support, etc) but upon variable costs the company can control unilaterally: Workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporations don&#8217;t pay taxes. They pass them along to their customers.</p>
<p>But the nature of prices is that companies can&#8217;t unilaterally set them. So the impact of corporate taxes does not fall primarily upon customers (except through reducing aftermarket support, etc) but upon variable costs the company can control unilaterally: Workers.</p>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ljmiller96/2009/09/22/who-pays-corporate-taxes/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporations don&#039;t pay taxes; they just collect them.

I had that line years ago and it covers what you&#039;re saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporations don&#8217;t pay taxes; they just collect them.</p>
<p>I had that line years ago and it covers what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ljmiller96/2009/09/22/who-pays-corporate-taxes/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will never understand how we give so much help to other countries when people are in need here. I think the whole tax thing is wrong since it&#039;s involuntary but I think it adds another level to wrong since some of it not even being used here in the US. It&#039;s not even all our money how does it make sense we borrow money and then give it out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never understand how we give so much help to other countries when people are in need here. I think the whole tax thing is wrong since it&#8217;s involuntary but I think it adds another level to wrong since some of it not even being used here in the US. It&#8217;s not even all our money how does it make sense we borrow money and then give it out?</p>
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		<title>By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ljmiller96/2009/09/22/who-pays-corporate-taxes/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add 24% of his income to the federal tax that our hypothetical average worker pays. If he is officially paying 10% of his income in federal taxes, or $5,000, his contribution to corporate tax increases his total tax toll to $17,000, which is over 1/3 of his official salary.

I&#039;ll do the full math. 

1/(1-.24) = 1.31 or 131%
131% of 50,000 is $65,617
this would be our worker&#039;s gross pay without corporate tax
$5,000 plus 15,617 is 20,617

This is an astonishing 41% of his &quot;official&quot; gross income. It is only 31% of his projected income if there were no such thing as a corporate tax siphoning money from his wallet.

I&#039;m personally gobsmacked when I look at things like this and realize  how much money the government is plundering from me, my wife, and kids. I&#039;m not the only one. Everyone who works is being plundered too, unless you work for the government. Government workers are on the other side of the plunder without even knowing it. And it&#039;s all because money for Barack Obama&#039;s $7,000 per night hotel room is a higher collective priority than my kids&#039; shoes or a new dress for their mom.

Ptui!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add 24% of his income to the federal tax that our hypothetical average worker pays. If he is officially paying 10% of his income in federal taxes, or $5,000, his contribution to corporate tax increases his total tax toll to $17,000, which is over 1/3 of his official salary.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do the full math. </p>
<p>1/(1-.24) = 1.31 or 131%<br />
131% of 50,000 is $65,617<br />
this would be our worker&#8217;s gross pay without corporate tax<br />
$5,000 plus 15,617 is 20,617</p>
<p>This is an astonishing 41% of his &#8220;official&#8221; gross income. It is only 31% of his projected income if there were no such thing as a corporate tax siphoning money from his wallet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally gobsmacked when I look at things like this and realize  how much money the government is plundering from me, my wife, and kids. I&#8217;m not the only one. Everyone who works is being plundered too, unless you work for the government. Government workers are on the other side of the plunder without even knowing it. And it&#8217;s all because money for Barack Obama&#8217;s $7,000 per night hotel room is a higher collective priority than my kids&#8217; shoes or a new dress for their mom.</p>
<p>Ptui!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Maidment</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ljmiller96/2009/09/22/who-pays-corporate-taxes/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Maidment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Employees pay part of the share, but so do the owners.  Some of the reduced EBIT (Earnings Before Interest and Taxes) comes out of the owner&#039;s share.

Then the owners pay capital gains when they sell the stock or receive a dividend.

Since a corporation is a legal fiction, the owners are essentially taxed twice on the earnings of their business.  If a corporation pays at the 33% tax rate, the owner pays the 15% capital gains rate, the effect is a 42-45% net tax on business profits.

OUCH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Employees pay part of the share, but so do the owners.  Some of the reduced EBIT (Earnings Before Interest and Taxes) comes out of the owner&#8217;s share.</p>
<p>Then the owners pay capital gains when they sell the stock or receive a dividend.</p>
<p>Since a corporation is a legal fiction, the owners are essentially taxed twice on the earnings of their business.  If a corporation pays at the 33% tax rate, the owner pays the 15% capital gains rate, the effect is a 42-45% net tax on business profits.</p>
<p>OUCH!</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ljmiller96/2009/09/22/who-pays-corporate-taxes/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and that includes customers, as well as employees and shareholders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and that includes customers, as well as employees and shareholders.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ljmiller96/2009/09/22/who-pays-corporate-taxes/#comment-815</link>
		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and yet everyone acts as if it is not.  When corporations are hit or insurance agencies are hit with higher taxes they ALWAYS pass it on to the consumer.  If people would just get out of their silly little lives and pay attention to what is happening in their country and vote accordingly we would have 80% Conservatives in Congress and in the WH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yet everyone acts as if it is not.  When corporations are hit or insurance agencies are hit with higher taxes they ALWAYS pass it on to the consumer.  If people would just get out of their silly little lives and pay attention to what is happening in their country and vote accordingly we would have 80% Conservatives in Congress and in the WH.</p>
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