Nothing’s Shocking


It is a sad commentary on the state of our world that stories like this one (warning, .pdf) (via the Population Research Institute) barely shock us anymore. The gist of the story is as follows: a Massachusetts woman, identified in court pleadings only as Mary Moe, is pregnant with her third child. She aborted her first child. Sometime between this abortion and the birth of her second child, she suffered a “psychotic break” and was diagnosed with shizophrenia and bipolar mood disorder, for which she takes medication. Reading inbetween the lines, it is reasonable to assume that the woman’s first abortion may have been a contributing factor in her mental illness:

The GAL report and the record generally provide additional background. The defendant suffered a psychotic break when she was a college student. Thereafter, she believed people were staring at her and stating that she killed her baby. She becomes agitated and emotional when discussing the pregnancy that ended in an abortion.

Now that Moe is pregnant for the third time, her parents went to a probate judge in Massachusetts in an attempt to get a court to force her to have an abortion, apparently on the theory that the medications Moe takes for her mental illness would be harmful to Moe’s unborn child. Somewhat unsurprisingly, given this history, Moe went to great lengths in front of the judge to avoid having an abortion forced on her, claiming devout Catholicism (a contention that her parents dispute) and denying that she even was pregnant.

Somehow the judge, a Dukakis appointee, got the idea that the best thing for this poor woman would be to force her to have another abortion (because the first one clearly worked wonders for her mental health). This despite the fact that the guardian ad litem appointed by the judge had found that if Moe were not suffering from mental illness, she would not herself choose to have the abortion.  The judge astoundingly ordered that Moe’s parents should get her to the abortion clinic even if Moe had to be  “coaxed,   bribed, or even enticed … by ruse[.]” Additionally, even though no one (including Moe’s delightful parents) had asked for this remedy, the judge sua sponte ordered that once Moe’s parents had successfully conned her into the abortion clinic, Moe must be sterilized so she could never get pregnant again.

Thankfully, the probate judge was overruled on appeal, mainly for failing to make appropriate factual findings and failing to appropriately consider the recommendations of the guardian ad litem. Thus, in this one case, the appropriate result was reached, but reading the judge’s opinion, a different set of circumstances might very well have permitted “Mary Moe”‘s parents to force her to have an abortion against her will. This is the inevitable consequence of a society that has accepted the false premise that under certain circumstances, abortion is the only choice a sane person would make. Such a premise should be rejected by anyone who is truly “pro-choice,” but happily too many who claim to be “pro-choice” let the mask slip from time to time and show us all that when the chips are down, they really are pro-abortion, and nothing else.



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That IS shocking.

snowshooze (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:09PM EST (link)

Court ordered abortion.
You know, in that warped line of thinking, a death penalty for the Mother would make more sense.
That way, the larger issue is addressed, and no abortion is necessary.
This is unbelievable.

 

And the judge of course, was summarily

veritaseequitas Friday, January 27th at 1:19PM EST (link)

stripped of his/her robes and authority and prosecuted for trampling on the civil rights of this young woman, right? Yeah, sure, whatever.
Ugly and evil…pro-abortion people are just downright ugly and evil. And nasty.

 

As a kid, I used to think

littlehouse18 (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:23PM EST (link)

that the Third Reich was an anomaly. Now I realize how easy it is for it to arise anywhere.

Yes it was an anamoly.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:36PM EST (link)

They were disasterously bad at PR. They needed to call it a great leap forward or a way to avoid young women being punished with a baby.

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TRULY DISGUSTING ...

jmadisonfan Friday, January 27th at 1:23PM EST (link)

And I’m sad to say that I’m not surprised that this is real life vs. the plot of some crummy Lifetime Network movie.

 

leon, that is horrifying

mikeymike143 (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:29PM EST (link)

hopefully that idiot judge will face a recall election

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"CHoice" And Radical Environmentalism Spring From The Same Fountainhead.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:46PM EST (link)

I remember being invited to a “scientific” lecture where I attended college. It was enlightening in a way that the lecturer in no way intended.

He posited that there were too many people on Earth because of AGW, Peak Oil, lack of food, and every other boogeyman that the Baal Worshippers of the Grove have ever dreamed up.

He then told us that human population would certainly adjust. He gave us two lists of ways that could happen. There was the “Bad” List. War, Famine, Plague, Gloabal Diaper-Rash, and several others. Then there was another list. The “Good” list. Contraception, Abortion, Sterilization, the nicities of life…

He informed us that he was just the messenger and wasn’t into making value judgements, but only that we as a human race were going to have chose. One list or the other.

We then got to write down our questions and submit them to a proctor who would hand pick which ones would be given to our lecturer. I offered up two.

1) Given that you talk at Math, Physics, Chem and Bio Depts all over America, have you ever given thought to simply applying scientific know-how to the problems that in your opinion limit our ability to support our population?

2) Assuming we chose something nice and reasonable like mass-abortion, how do you advise we finish the job if not enough ladies volunteer?

Regretably, neither of my questions were selected.

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So let me get this straight

mustango (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:48PM EST (link)

“[T]he medications Moe takes for her mental illness would be harmful to Moe’s unborn child” but an abortion WOULDN’T BE?!?!

I like to think I’m good at understand how people think but this flat out stumps me.

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The same way it's better

aesthete (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:54PM EST (link)

for “unwanted children” to be terminated with extreme prejudice, rather than suffer the exigencies of a potentially less-than-ideal life.

Funny how no one, in their overflow of sentiment for the good deed they’re doing the unwanted child by killing it, seems to care what the unborn child’s opinion of this dilemma is, or about waiting for him to mature before making this decision himself.

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Leon, did you forget to write the part

aesthete (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:49PM EST (link)

where a screaming crowd tarred and feathered the judge and left him on the Mass Supreme Court, as an example to the rest?

I assume this is what transpired immediately after this decision was issued, given that we live in a country purportedly dedicated to protecting the fundamental rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (all of which were grievously violated by this decision).

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aesthete, i really liked your ending to the story.

mikeymike143 (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 3:03PM EST (link)

unfortunately this took place in massachusetts, so they will probably give him a medal.

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And this is why judicial appointments matter.

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 1:59PM EST (link)

Thank God reasonable heads prevailed in the appeal, and thank God for the guardian. I pray that Mary Moe and her children will receive the help they need.

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The next someone tells you X government health care program only covers medically necessary abortions, remember this case.

rogershru2 (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 3:11PM EST (link)

That category includes maternal depression and “high risk” such as with Down’s syndrome. That is why they can claim elective abortion isn’t covered with a straight face.

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strange

redsox9687 Friday, January 27th at 3:53PM EST (link)

this isn’t exactly related to this article at all but it’s been bugging me, so hoping someone can explain it….. romney’s father was george romney who ran for president in 1968… one of the reasons romney gave last night for not being anti-immigrant was that “his father was born in mexico and his wife’s father was born in wales.” if his father was george romney and he claims his father was born in mexico, then how did his father run for president??????…. i thought the constitution says that to be president you have to be a naturally-born citizen which is why people like arnold can’t run….

Natural Born Citizen

dk1967 Friday, January 27th at 4:44PM EST (link)

George Romney’s parents were US citizens. Children born abroad of US citizens are given US citizenship.

Mitt was born here too

MatthewB Friday, January 27th at 6:28PM EST (link)

Mitt Romney was born in Michigan. That makes him a citizen regardless of his parents status.

 
 

you thought?

streiff (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 3:25PM EST (link)

so how did that work of for you? Oh, you can’t reply? It must not have worked out well at all.

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Everyone is worried as coming off as bigoted but....

arthurjake Tuesday, January 31st at 5:53AM EST (link)

His family never believed in a border between Mexico and the United States. Is that still something LDS believes or did that go the way of polygamy? If so does that bring Romney’s stance on immigration into question or can one assume he just does what he did as gov. in regards to abortion and give the shaft to his faith?

 
 

strange

redsox9687 Friday, January 27th at 3:53PM EST (link)

this isn’t exactly related to this article at all but it’s been bugging me, so hoping someone can explain it….. romney’s father was george romney who ran for president in 1968… one of the reasons romney gave last night for not being anti-immigrant was that “his father was born in mexico and his wife’s father was born in wales.” if his father was george romney and he claims his father was born in mexico, then how did his father run for president??????…. i thought the constitution says that to be president you have to be a naturally-born citizen which is why people like arnold can’t run….

 

Judge's thought process is flawed.

desertphreak Friday, January 27th at 4:04PM EST (link)

If the medication the mother is taking is reason enough for an abortion, then perhaps it is logical to assume the drugs are also bad for the mother and her life aborted as well.

 

Try this one on for size

Raven (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 4:29PM EST (link)

In Texas, a pregnant teen’s family is trying to force her to get an abortion. She’s in court trying to make sure they don’t succeed.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/us/texas-pregnant-teen/index.html?hpt=us_c2

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Luke 22:36

 

At Least Romneycare Will Pay For the Abortion

aj_0000 Friday, January 27th at 4:34PM EST (link)

So she’s got that going for her.

 

No one is "pro-abortion"

drewlowell Friday, January 27th at 7:33PM EST (link)

Won’t be changing any minds here, I’m sure, but when I stumble over threads like this I just want to make sure that this fact is on the record.

Of the tens of millions of abortions that have taken place in this country since a woman’s legal right to choose was recognized in 1973…

of the countless number of abortions that took place before this right was acknowledged …

and of the uncountable numbers that will continue to take place even if this right is someday infringed in some states…

not one of those procedures have ever been undergone by, performed by or defended by a “pro-abortion” person, because there is no such thing as a “pro-abortion” person.

Perhaps you have never understood the finances of Planned Parenthood,

Locked and Loaded (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 8:01PM EST (link)

the motives of Margaret Sanger and the Chinese government, or the unflinching general selfishness of some people.

Pull your head out.

 

Apparently there is such a thing.

aesthete (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 10:29PM EST (link)

Read the farking article.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

There are far more pro-abortion liberals than there are Republicans who want to dirty the air, poison the water and throw the elderly off of cliffs

JSobieski (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 10:42PM EST (link)

so why don’t you go to Daily Kos and try to change some minds over there.

Merely asserting things is not the same as proving anything.

P.S. Slavery and murder still occur in the modern world and such crimes will continue to occur….but we still have laws outlawing such behavior.

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we gave at the office

Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 10:08AM EST (link)

Take your apologia for mass infanticide somewhere else. We don’t want any here.

Blam.

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Thanks for entering your baseless personal opinion into "the record" as "fact." That clears that up.

rogershru2 (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 10:11AM EST (link)

As mentioned above by L&L, Planned Parenthood disagrees. There is a reason that pro-abortionists get upset when fictional characters choose not to have an abortion, and are happy when “brave” young women choose the cowardly and selfish way of abortion. See Gloria Feldt former PP director here: http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/article_76b9d72c-18d6-525f-b472-ef6a9792b4c0.html

The money-making abortion industry disagrees. Abortion is lucrative. See Lineholders excellent series of articles on this industry here: http://www.redstate.com/lineholder/2012/01/17/abortion-onion-conclusion/

China, Stalin, and Hitler disagree. They found it quite useful.

Oh, and did you read the stinking (no offense Leon) article??!??!

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Mitt Romney , is that you?

ceili_dancer (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 10:33AM EST (link)

Certainly sounds like him circa 1994.

Kowalski

ceili_dancer (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 10:34AM EST (link)

Also 2002 during the gubernatorial debate.

 
 

Just because you choose to live with blinders on

BA Cyclone (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 10:48AM EST (link)

doesn’t make the rest of us out of touch. Quite the opposite.

If you think killing children is an acceptable behavior, you are pro-abortion.

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Just because you choose to live with blinders on

BA Cyclone (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 10:48AM EST (link)

doesn’t make the rest of us out of touch. Quite the opposite.

If you think killing children is an acceptable behavior, you are pro-abortion.

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Is this sarcasm?

Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 4:31PM EST (link)

After all, if Madame X goes to an abortion factory in order to abort a child and then does in fact pay money to abort the child, with incidental dismembering and decapitation of a child resulting, then Madame X is defacto, obviously pro-abortion. She intended to get an abortion and did get an abortion, even paying money for the abortion. You can’t get any more “pro” than that.

Not to mention the professionals who not only performed the abortion and dismembered her child, but also were paid for it. That’s pretty “pro” too.

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Reading all the way to the bottom,

Locked and Loaded (Diary) Friday, January 27th at 7:55PM EST (link)

you find that the issue of whether she is forced into an abortion is not certain.

The order to abort is vacated, but remanded back for an evidentiary hearing and inquiry as to whether substituted judgment applies, meaning somebody else might still decide whether she is forced into an abortion.

Am I reading this correctly?

 

Is this case really from 1991???

Next93 (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 2:55PM EST (link)

I looked up Mary Moe on Google, and ran across this article. It appears to be the same case (and is still disgusting).

I’m not a doctor, but I’d be a little surprised if she’s still pregnant, 20 years later.

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Different judges and different parties

streiff (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 3:33PM EST (link)

in the case. Mary Moe is a pseudonym, like Jane Doe

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Disgusting

runner12 (Diary) Saturday, January 28th at 9:58PM EST (link)

So now the pro-choice crowd is forcing a mentally ill woman to have an abortion? Wait a minute, I thought this was all about a “woman’s right to choose.” Where is NOW? Surely they are protesting the violation of this woman’s rights! /sarc

Those of us who are pro-life have been pointing out for years the Left could care less about women’s rights. It is all about being pro-abortion. Period.

 

Court Time Frame?

snappy101 Monday, January 30th at 8:41AM EST (link)

How long did all of that court stuff, including appeal, take? You mean to say they got all of that done within the amount of time she would have had to meet for her to be eligible for an abortion? Do they fast track all murder cases?

 

Infallibility

duncer Monday, January 30th at 8:58AM EST (link)

Appointing a political hack lawyer to a judges seat automatically endows them with god like wisdom that enables them to over rule doctors and scientists opinions though the only education they have is law school. oops, i forgot they can also decide the voters and legislatures were not capable of self government and need a black robed dictator.

 

What was the result of the second pregnancy?

madbag Monday, January 30th at 9:51AM EST (link)

Doesn’t appear that the entire story has been provided in the article. One can only wonder what the rest of the story actually is. While, as presented, it appears the judge was pretty durn god-like in his ruling one might wonder what the status of the second pregnancy was. Full term birth with the child living with the mother completely under her care? Full term with child living with grandparents. Full term, living with grandparents but with special needs and a reasonable expectation that any additional children will also be special needs? Why is doesn’t the lady have her parents as her guardian? Is the ruling for abortion bad and the ruling for sterilization reasonable? Lots of questions I would like to know the answer to before I would totally condemn anyone in the process.

If she is mentally unstable......

arthurjake Tuesday, January 31st at 6:02AM EST (link)

Then it is within the right of the court to rule that she has no custody rights over the child after birth.

 
 

Breathtakingly twisted

msgrant (Diary) Monday, January 30th at 12:13PM EST (link)

At the end of the day, when all reason has failed with such people, there will be a judgment – and there will be hell to pay.

 

Moe? Roe?

surfcitysocal Tuesday, January 31st at 3:04PM EST (link)

Gee, and I thought a woman’s “choice” was sacred.

 

Update re abortion being forced on Mary Moe. Petition withdrawn.

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 12:41PM EST (link)

Full story is here.

Thank God and everyone who fought this battle with Mary.

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