The Huntsman campaign just released this video, which scores a pretty solid hit on Paul with the newsletter issue, ending with his embarrassing flight from the Gloria Borger interview:
As we count down the final few days before Iowa, I also wanted to point out and hopefully tie together some of the remaining questions about the Ron Paul newsletters. This somewhat lengthy piece is definitely worth a read even if it is somewhat obviously written by someone with an axe to grind in an intra-libertarian movement fight. I find the conclusion of the piece to be sound, which is that Paul himself probably did not most (or any) of the racist material himself, but he was certainly willing to “toast a marshmallow on a cross that someone else was burning.”
Consider the following: at least one eyewitness account indicates that while Paul did not write most of what went in the newsletter, he was fastidious about approving every word before it went to print. This is consistent with what we know about Ron Paul, who is obsessive about his public image when it comes to political doctrine. The idea that he would allow a newsletter to be printed for a decade in his own name without having more than a casual interest in what was contained in the newsletter is contrary to everything we know about Ron Paul. It is also directly contradictory to his actions in 1995 and 1996 when he defended the content in the newsletters.
Second, Paul’s explanation about the newsletters leaves the next logical question completely unanswered (and I have no idea why media folks aren’t asking him this every time the question comes up) – “If you did not write the newsletters, who did? And what action did you take against them when you learned that they had been printing racist content in your name without your consent?” This is an especially important question because any person of even marginal decency would have been outraged and canned anyone they found responsible. However, I have never seen Ron Paul mention that he took any punitive action against the alleged staffers involved.
However, this is an avenue that Paul can’t afford to have explored, because the most likely answer to the first question, according to virtually everyone with knowledge of Paul’s operation at the time, is that the newsletters were the product of some combination of Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard. Paul absolutely cannot disown Rockwell and the Mises Institute because that constitutes a significant portion of his support. Additionally, Paul has continued to work with Rockwell long after the mid-90s when this came to his attention (according to his version of events) – thus any questions about what action he took to disown the true author of these pieces would lead to uncomfortable places if it really was Rockwell or Rothbard.
Paul’s actions since his Congressional run in 1996 are completely inconsistent with a man who was completely unaware that others were posting racist content in his name. Whether he wrote the newsletters or not, the evidence is pretty clear that he knew what was in them and was perfectly content to let them go out in his name.
Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
Good information, but I don't need it all to reach a conclusion
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, December 29th at 3:24PM EST (link)A signature is defined as any mark by which a person is commonly known.
Were the letters signed with Ron Paul’s signature (bearing his mark)?
Yes
Were the signatures forged?
No
Therefore, he is responsible for their content.
It's amazing to me how the paulbots disregard this
angryguy77 Thursday, December 29th at 3:28PM EST (link)I know they’re a cult and all, but anyone who can dress themselves should be able to see Paul is a fraud.
Proof there is indeed a sucker born every minute.
Go Huntsman!
goodgovernance Thursday, December 29th at 3:42PM EST (link)He’s the most authentic conservative who passes the Buckley test. I don’t care how he started the campaign, it’s time to get over whatever hurt feelings we might have and get behind the guy.
On another note, is no one as outraged by the Virginia “loyalty oath” thing as I am? It’s like Romney’s crowd isn’t satisfied with just shutting the process down, they want to make sure we all get the message that we have to get in line, too.
Why on earth are people worrying about Paul
veto Thursday, December 29th at 3:50PM EST (link)Paul’s voter are not going to crossover to vote for Huntsman, Gingrich, etc… His voters are his voters libertarians. Confused me the other day when Gingrich attacked Paul, when he should be focusing 100% on Romney.
The target is Romney sheesh I don’t see why in the world people don’t see it.
I mean think about it who is taking voters from Huntsman? Ron Paul? Nope Romney. I swear it seems they all secretly want Romney to win or something.
Paul goes third-party, Obama wins..
beric (Diary) Thursday, December 29th at 3:57PM EST (link)Automatically.
He’s not going to win the nomination. No one really thinks so,. But if he wins Iowa, even he he loses elsewhere, he WILL have gained traction. And he can leverage that for a third-party run. I would not put it past him to yet again dump the GOP and run on the libertarian ticket, just to be a spoiler and “make a point”. And if he does, he’ll take along enough GOP voters to let Obama win. Remember, Paul doesn’t just attract libertarians. He gets plenty of Republicans as well.
This, I am convinced, is the biggest reason to be concerned about Ron Paul.
While Romney cruises to victory
veto Thursday, December 29th at 5:10PM EST (link)What I am seeing is all these candidates pouring in money on attack ads going towards a candidate that at best will win 1 state. If Romney wins Iowa he probably wins it all. That’s it period. Gingrich is sinking like a log and the only person that could bring Romney down to earth is Paul in Iowa.
Take a lesson of the was Bush Sr. handled Pat Buchanen he didn’t care if he won Iowa or not. Romney has to be smiling while all this negativity if focused to a candidate who can’t win.
Don't think Paul will go third party
csjbo08 Thursday, December 29th at 6:09PM EST (link)with Gary Johnson now running third party as libertarian, won’t help his case to run against another libertarian who is more electable
Gary Johnson IS more electable
timkellogg Saturday, December 31st at 3:53AM EST (link)though still unelectable, and I don’t get all the outrage over Paul except if I go on the theory that the social-conservative(I won’t limit it to pro-life)-statist wing of the Republican party finds it much easier to tar all libertarian thought with Paul’s lunacy and racism etc. Frankly, I think too many among us would rather attack strict constitutionalists than socialists, but focus on Ron Paul because he’s an easy target they can pretend represents all libertarian thought. Newt Gingrich is BIG-government. Romney is BIG-government. Republicans are supposed to stand for smaller government, and their opponents even call them “anti-government”, but the surest way to be beaten-up by fellow Republicans is to truly stand for smaller government. This is why a nut like Ron Paul is the only libertarian-minded Republican we ever see on stage; he’s easy to marginalize. The Party kept Johnson out and pissed him off. I think he’s wrong for going 3rd-party, but I don’t blame him. I think the Party prefers theocrats over classical liberals, and (to use a term Newt used wrongly, but which applies more-correctly to his ideas than anyone else’s) right-wing social engineering, i.e. using and expanding government control to achieve right-wing goals, over either. I think lots of us have issues with the isolationist wishful-thinking of hardcore libertarians, but why are these the only people even suggesting actually SHRINKING government?! Why aren’t mainstream Republicans explaining how, if government quit wasting the huge percentage of GDP that it does at an ever-increasing rate and actually SHRUNK, all that money would be at-work in the economy in real and powerful ways, unlike artificial, temporary “stimulus” nonsense? Why are so-called fiscal conservatives afraid to “cut too drastically” more than they’re afraid of letting the government continue to get bigger, more expensive, more-controlling and more unstoppable and irreversible EVERY SINGLE YEAR? Why are Republicans always willing to throw the liberals’ idiotic tax-policy propaganda at fellow Republicans who dare to propose making the system fair and equal and eliminating all the social-engineering and special breaks for special folks in the tax-code and other laws? I’ve been angry and frustrated for a long time, but it’s increasingly turning toward those who purport to want what I want. After all, why be angry at the leftists? They really believe in what they’re doing and advocating…
Paul's anti-Newt ads ...
skorrent1 (Diary) Thursday, December 29th at 4:50PM EST (link)were particularly hurtful. Newt had to respond.
The Target is Obama
johnnyappleseed Friday, December 30th at 9:43AM EST (link)Get a grip and pull on it real hard to get your head out, the TARGET is Obama not Romney.
Let the primary run it’s course then get behind whoever wins the nomination.
I like Newt, Romney,Perry, Michelle, Jon, Rick, and zero out Paul.
Until then let’s quit quiblling and syupport the winner….sheesh, I do see it!
Why on earth are people worrying about Paul?
noveldog9 Friday, December 30th at 10:07AM EST (link)Why do people worry about him? They worry that he will go independent and pull enough votes away for Obama to win reelection.
Why do people attack Romney? They do it because of their ignorance. He has his flaws, but they are minor compared to those he is running against. He has the best organization and has business backing him. He will put American business first and they know it. That is why he is getting all those endorsements. Take a look at his website and check out all those who have endorsed him.
Romney is the best candidate to beat Obama, but he needs a popular running mate who can help put him over the top against Obama and his Unionized Welfare Machine. Try concentrating on finding him the best running mate to get that job done. We need to send Obama and as many of his cronies back home as possible.
Have a nice day veto, and all the rest of you guys/gals, OK?
Being aware of Romney's flaws makes me ignorant?
geoph Friday, December 30th at 10:51AM EST (link)Look, you can back anyone you choose – but to blanket opposition as ignorant is, well, ignorant. It’s not a lack of knowledge that has us unwilling to support Romney, but the knowledge we have of him. His past is well documented and open for all to see, and some of us view actions as being stronger than promises.
We have been promised the moon for so long by so many, I doubt that they are aware they are lying to us anymore. Be it Liberals and their desire for government to care for us, be it Republicans telling us we must accept a Left leaning candidate for electability, Or that 15 trillion dollars and still growing at over 4 billion dollars A day, is a manageable and no problem whatsoever.
Some of us find it foolish to argue over who is in charge when our economy collapses. We believe anything short of a drastic change in course is of no use, and is akin to fleas arguing over which of them owns the dog they are on.
Nope, Mitt gives us more of the same old same old. And you know those endorsements? They come from those fleas who’s only interest is having that big ol’ dog to keep sucking blood from.
Digging into the past
justonevoice (Diary) Thursday, December 29th at 3:55PM EST (link)I agree that the explanations of these newsletters are unsatisfactory the more that the questions are pressed.
I do think, however, there are a couple points worth thinking about before the conservative movement starts going over the edge on these newsletters: a) Paul has said that while he disowns them he acknowledges that he has a certain amount of moral responsibility for them — to me it goes a long way that he has said he has moral responsibility — but I don’t expect him to do a mea culpa every speech or interview he gives; you get it out there strongly once and move on and let the chips fall where they may; b) there are a number of unsavory flirtations with racial matters that conservatives have had that are not very deeply buried — take a look at Conservative Digest articles from the 1980s and you will see “mainstream” conservatives singing the praises of South Africa and dismissing apartheid, or look at the not-very-subtle dismising of the premises of civil rights. Look at Human Events from the 1970s and 1980s and you might be aghast at articles supporting South Africa. Poke around in the conservative movement organizations of the 1980s and 1990s and you will see it awash with Moonie money. It’s all there with many conservative heroes flirting with things that we find appalling today.
There is a new generation of conservatives that (rightly) does not understand the flirtations and are shocked when they learn of them. The torch is passing from one generation to another and Paul is of an age and era that this is not terribly surprising to find that there would be a lapse of judgment.
The odd and sad thing to me about the newsletters is that they seem to be completely contrary to a long public record he has of not seeing “groups” but seeing individuals. The newsletters are not in sync with him.
In the end, this is but a blip in the conservative movement. The pressing questions for me (outside of electoral politics) is the debate raging over what are core conservative principles and where is it legitimate for conservatives to disagree with each other. The good that will come out of the Paul campaign is getting people to discuss what are the limits of policy divergence within the conservative family and right now those questions are about foreign policy. But there are others. I, for example, strongly oppose the death penalty; I have no idea what Paul thinks of the death penalty but I know that probably 95% of conservatives will disagree with me on that. Does that make me not a conservative? Should I be called “worse than Obama” because Obama supports the dealth penalty and I do not.
Paul is lighting an interesting conversation on the right-leaning blogs with his current campaign — the newsletters are a distraction and I think there are many older conservative pundits staying far away from asking questions about these because there is a lot of ink in their past that they may find embarassing.
“Let us see that the State is the servant of its people and that the people are not the servants of the State.” Robert Taft
You are right
lightspeed Thursday, December 29th at 8:15PM EST (link)There are far more disturbing things about Paul than the newsletters. His refusing to disavow the support of white supremecists, close association and coddling of 911 truthers, statement that he would not have entered WWII to stop the Holocaust, loading up bills with pork only to vote against them once they are assured of passage, and on, and on, and on. Paul is lowlife scum and it is amazing that people don’t see it.
What I find interesting
expanding_man Thursday, December 29th at 4:39PM EST (link)is that Paul has been blasted from all sides (i.e. newsletters, foreign policy, etc.) from the MSM and bloggers since becoming an Iowa contender. Still, Paul’s support both nationally and in Iowa has not decreased if you look at recent polls since the attacks began. What gives?
People are worried
ghostship Thursday, December 29th at 5:14PM EST (link)The Democrats want this nation to jump over the cliff and the Republicans wants this nation to walk over the cliff. However, as evidence by the rise of the Tea Party there are a growing number of Americans who want to back away from the cliff.
Ron Paul’s views on foreign policy turn a lot of Conservatives off but who cares about the persons house down the road when your own house is on fire.
What many Republicans don’t see is that Ron Paul is just the tip of the iceberg. Many think Ron Paul is about as crazy as one can get but they haven’t seen anything yet. Wait until we actually begin to go over the cliff and just see all the weirdo’s who will come out of the woodwork to take advantage of a desperate people.
I wish the Republican Party would see support for Paul as a warning that being the Party of “At least we suck less than the Democrats” isn’t good enough anymore. However, I fear this message will be lost on many.
Crazy? We haven’t seen crazy yet.
People are so deperate for answers and solutions, they will actually give Paul a look
heraklios Friday, December 30th at 11:14AM EST (link)That is what is so sad. Had the GOP nominated a small government, pro-growth, social conservative, we could have had a real conversation in this country about where we are headed. It would have been a cinch to win that argument over Obama and the Democrats.
Given the performance of GOP Congressional leaders this year, I have come to suspect they don’t really believe in small government, less regulation and pro-growth policies. They talk a lot to get the vote, but go back to big spending, big borrowing policies when something comes up for a vote.
2012 is another in a long list of blown opportunities for the GOP. I guess we can regroup and make the case against Joe Biden, Hilary or some other liberal in 2016.
You nailed it.
timkellogg Saturday, December 31st at 4:04AM EST (link)Republicans want to keep being Democrat-lite, and Paul is a handy whipping-boy to show why they don’t want to do anything meaningfully-radical and risk association with such characters. Thing is, no Republican is as RIGHT as Paul on domestic issues, and while he’s insane in many ways and so is his foreign policy, the focus on those things is only designed to divert attention from failed interventionism and a complete lack of concern with shrinking government. Democrats are bringing the loonies out of the woodwork getting so many dependent on the system when the system’s going broke, risking riots and such. Republicans are bringing the loonies out by contributing slightly-less to the problem and constantly telling us it’s the best they can do, making those who know and care what’s going-on MAD.
Interesting link
Glaucon (Diary) Thursday, December 29th at 5:35PM EST (link)http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/12/how-did-we-get-here-or-why-do-20-year-old-newsletters-matter-so-damn-much/
That was an interesting link from the “bleeding heart” libertarian. What the heck is that? A libertarian who believes in welfare, food stamps and free health-care for all? These guys divide themselves into so many sub-groupings that it becomes ridiculous. It reminds one of teenagers arguing whether Madonna or Lady Gaga is truly the greatest.
After attempting to digest this insider opinion, the panty twisting dilemma becomes clear. After many paragraphs of explaining a grand plan by Murray Rothbard (and Lew Rockwell) to court southern social conservatives, and pointing the finger for the controversial newsletter content at Rothbard, the writer comes to the following conclusion:
“What we need right now is Rothbard’s vision of a free society as sketched in For a New Liberty, but we need it defended better.”
So they both love and hate Rothbard, depending on the situation. It’s no wonder that no one is coming out as the writer. The writer is dead, and no one wants to speak ill of the person they still revere as having the go-forward solution to creating Utopia.
" just the tip of the iceberg"
clowngirl (Diary) Friday, December 30th at 11:00AM EST (link)Of what was done using this “paleo strategy” according to this author.
It’s not just the newsletters but also pictures of Ron Paul posing with this leader of a white supremist group, and his close friendship and alliances with Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard – and everything else they authored.