Democrat Senate Candidates Not Very Clear on How the Senate Works


The latest participants to continue the neverending thread of idiocy concerning Jim Bunning’s objection to a unanimous consent motion are two key Democrat Senate candidates, Ohio Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher, and Andrew Romanoff, who is expected to challenge incumbent Democrat Michael Bennet in Colorado.  They are, of course, naturally helped along by the Politico, who apparently shares the inability to distinguish between an objection to a unanimous consent motion and a filibuster, despite ostensibly being a publication that exclusively covers politics.

Seizing on the stalled health care legislation and Kentucky GOP Sen. Jim Bunning’s unilateral move to hold up a spending bill, a growing number of Democratic Senate candidates are calling for the end of the filibuster.

 

Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher in Ohio and Andrew Romanoff in Colorado became the latest Tuesday, both citing Bunning’s efforts as reasons to scrap the time-honored Senate procedure intended to protect the rights of the minority party in the upper chamber.

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Bunning’s lonely stand blocking a bill that would provide jobless benefits, transportation funding and Medicare reimbursements has increased scrutiny of the practice — and raised the political stakes.

 

“The filibuster is doing more harm than good,” Fisher wrote in an e-mail to supporters urging them to sign a petition. “Stand with me in support of ending it today — it’s time we put an end to paralysis in Washington and started solving problems again.”

While the media malpractice concerning the coverage of Bunning’s objection is perhaps understandable (if not excusable), one wonders at the willingness of Democrats to signal so clearly that they don’t understand basic facts about the job they are applying for.  As has been explained painstakingly by Hogan here, if it seems weird to you that a single Republican could successfully filibuster a bill for days with zero support, that’s because it isn’t true. 

Bunning is not filibustering – the Democrats (and Olympia Snowe) have repeatedly made unanimous consent motions – which, if you speak English – you would properly understand to require unanimity to pass. One Senator is enough to defeat a unanimous consent motion because if there’s one Senator who objects… there isn’t unanimous consent!  It has been perfectly within Harry Reid’s power to schedule the vote on the regular order of business, schedule an immediate cloture vote (which would have passed, given that no Republican has stood with Bunning), and then vote on this “emergency” bill well before the Monday deadline passed.  Instead, Reid has deliberately chosen to play politics with this issue because it involves a retiring and unpopular Senator, and he thinks he can score political points off the Republicans in so doing.  If you’re on unemployment and ticked about missing your check, thank Harry Reid for trying to save his own seat.

But by all means, Democrats, keep mounting an assault on the “filibsuter,” which has zero to do with this particular story.  We’ll enjoy seating Justices Coulter and Yoo when the next Republican takes the White House.  Or, if you want, you can redefine “unanimous” to mean “almost unanimous” and hope that no one notices.  But is it really too much to ask that your candidates for the Senate have a rudimentary understanding of how the Senate works?



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About Politico, as Abe Lincoln said, "The world will little recall...

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 3:18PM EST (link)

….anything the mainstream media has done these past fifty years. Our books and memory will be as blank and empty as the New England beaches those days they searched for any sign of John John.”

It’s true, Abe said that.

What will be remembered, as Jim Bunning is proving, is what we do, not what they say.

 

I'm consistently amazed at how little the people at Politico know about politics

WarEagle01 (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 3:33PM EST (link)

Also the Hill. You’d think they would hire some first-year poly sci students to help them with this stuff.

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It isn't that they don't know about politics,

Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 9:03PM EST (link)

it’s that they have a different mission. The Politico is a stealth LSM outlet. They started up pretending to be even-handed in their treatment of both left and right, but that didn’t last long.

Now that they think they’ve established themselves as F & B, they aren’t being particularly careful with their analyses. Whatever advances the Democrats is OK with them.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 

If they can't understand the Constitution...

RedBeard Wednesday, March 3rd at 3:37PM EST (link)

…how can we expect them to understand Senate rules?

Jefferson once opined that government is never safe unless in the hands of the people, and he qualified that by saying that the people must be informed. How very correct he was, and how very distressed he would be if he could witness the ignorance on display these days.

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

 

with all due respect,

tridot3000 Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:17PM EST (link)

1) by the senate’s own terms, Bunning’s objection was a filibuster, see U.S. Senate, Reference Glossary, @ http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/filibuster.htm “filibuster – Informal term for any attempt to block or delay Senate action on a bill or other matter by debating it at length, by offering numerous procedural motions, or by any other delaying or obstructive actions.” (emphasis added), 2) the article you link to is not clear as to whether the dems are referring to preventing cloture, your narrow definition of filibuster, or whether the candidates are referring to boarder measures to prevent all stripes of filibusters; and, 3) its is not clear if the candidates are even seeking to prevent voting by unanimous consent or if they are citing Bunning’s objection to merely point out the issue of obstruction tactics. When you try to start a meme, such as it’s not a filibuster because it doesn’t involve cloture, it would be a good idea to be correct or at least not so wrong a simple google search undermines your proto-meme. Just sayin’

Just sayin you are dead wrong.

Leopard1996 (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:22PM EST (link)

All he did was not allow the voice vote so that no one could be held accountable for passing the increased spending. Sorry, but I agree with Bunning here, and would like a roll call of each senator that is going to spend my tax paying monies on X or Y. I just don’t want senators screaming “Yea” and the douchetool in the chair says, “No Objection, Motion Proceeds.” I want to know who is and who is not supporting a bill that I would probably support or oppose, So that if my senator is the one voting against my interest I can vote his/her stupid ass out of office.

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G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:25PM EST (link)

I’m officially banning you for overload of annoyances like “proto-meme” and “Just sayin’”, by the way.

Plus the clear fact that you’re not here to be in our community, but to act as a shill for idiots.

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I like the term "proto-meme"

RedBeard Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:34PM EST (link)

I use it in dinner table conversation all the time.

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I wonder

RedBeard Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:40PM EST (link)

Was tridot3000 an ordinary leftie, or was he actually one of the Republican senators who were hiding in the cloak room while Bunning was standing on the floor defending fiscal sanity?

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tridot, let me try it this way...

nessa (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:40PM EST (link)

…your provided definition says, “Informal term for any attempt to block or delay Senate action on a bill or other matter by debating it at length, by offering numerous procedural motions, or by any other delaying or obstructive actions.”

Bennet was not doing any of the three. He was merely voting no to the “unanimous consent” request. 1 Senator against 99. All they had to do, as Leon pointed out, was vote to end the cloture, the vote on that would apparently been 99 in favor and 1 opposed. The bill could then have been voted on, once again apparently with a 99 to 1 success rate.

Voting NO does not equal a fillibuster.

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You're an idiot.

Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 7:50PM EST (link)

Reid is the one who continually offered the unanimous consent motion even though he knew he’d win a voice vote 99-1. Reid sought unanimous consent, he didn’t have it. There’s no plausible way to fit what Bunning did even into that definition of a filibuster. Thanks for playing though.

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Remember the Franken/Liebermann Dust-up?

bigalsouth (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:22PM EST (link)

I have found that most folks understand the difference when reminded of the time that Joe Liebermann asked for Unanimous Consent to extend his time while making remarks on the floor. Al Franken objected and that was all it took.

Truth is, Harry Reid did not want an individual vote to extend the benefits as he did not want the issue to be more politicized after the Pay-Go fiasco.

This was not a delaying tactic, it was Bunning’s objection to a “group vote” on an unfunded bill, weeks after the Dems passed Pay-Go. Under the definition cited above, it was not a “filibuster” as the purpose was not to delay. The purpose was to require a roll call vote. IMHO.

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They don't seem to understand that they cannot force citizens to buy

renny (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:30PM EST (link)

medical insurance and Judge Napoitano says the entire Obamantioncare bill(s) are unConst. So, why should they be a little confused about Bunning?

Not that they really were. They wanted something to bash Reps. with, since there has been so little to use lately.

That's why there is no penalty

Menlo (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:42PM EST (link)

The Senate bill explicitly prohibits the government from doing anything (except maybe sending a letter) if a person fails to get insurance or pay the “penalty” for not doing so.

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I'm afraid we're being just ever-so-unfair here

RedBeard Wednesday, March 3rd at 4:37PM EST (link)

It seems harsh to expect the Senate to actually vote on a spending measure. After all, that would require names on the record of those who support fiscal irresponsibility, and heaven knows we can’t allow the Senate to be tarnished with such a thing.

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Thank you, Leon H. Wolf

Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 5:56PM EST (link)

As far as I have been able to tell, the MSM and most commenters on this matter, including several professors of “Political Science,” have either missed or deliberately ignored the actual situation under Senate Rules. You are the first commenter that I have found that understood the underlying situation. Even Patterico’s blog overlooked the story behind the story and argued on trhe wrong set of facts. good work.

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We are 'blessed' here in Colorado with Michael Brown on the radio at night.

USNJIMRET (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 7:25PM EST (link)

Yes, THAT Michael Brown-of the FEMA/Katrina fiasco. (Not that I am saying he or his Agency or the President screwed up. But the facts never mattered when the MSM and the Dims got hold of things.)
Anyway, I happened to be out and about last night and he was talking about the ‘filibuster’ of Senator Binning and why he thought the Senator was holding things up. I very rarely listen to the radio anymore, and am peeved enough even more rarely to consider calling up. But I was, and I did, and he, Brown, acknowledged that he was using the term incorrectly, but that the result was the same, so thanks for calling in.
When people are allowed to redefine what words mean to suit what ever other point they are eager to make, they prime the pump for the next time someone want to change the rules, just a little bit, until after a while, no one has a clue who is responsible for what happens, and everyone can point at ‘them’ as the bad guy.
Words mean things, and an “I object” is NOT a filibuster.
However much the end result is kind of the same.
Just like writing a paper instrument to withdraw funds from a financial institution is NOT the same as putting a gun in the face of a teller and demanding all the money in the cash drawer. The end result is the same, I have a handful of cash.
But one is a legal financial transaction, the other is armed robbery.

Is that the KOA Michael Brown?

Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 9:13PM EST (link)

I hear him at times in Flagstaff, but I never hadn’t realized he was the FEMA Brownie. On the whole, I liked Gunny Bob better.

I wasn’t listening last night.

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"never hadn't"? yecchhh. nt

Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, March 3rd at 9:13PM EST (link)

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964